From Anders Christian:
>>>>Talking about that story which was published in Walt Disney Giant no. 3,
where Don made the front page (help from old Barks pictures); who actually
suggested to Don, that he should write this sequel, or should we call it a
repeat with a lot of great new gags?
Please don't call it a repeat! It was meant to be a whole new set of ideas,
but constructed, just for (my) fun, as a sequel to a classic story... though
many European readers saw it as a swipe of somesort when all references to
the original Barks story were removed from my script, unbeknownst to me
(this was in the pre-Byron era). But why would someone have needed to
suggest this particular story to me? Well, I guess some of my other sequels
(like the ones for "Tralla La", "Lost in the Andes", "Golden Helmet", and
the "lo$") were requested specifically by the editors, but other sequels I
do just because it's fun. Similarly, my "Pigmy Indians" sequel was another
time I had a set of ideas but chose to build a sequel around them, just for
my own amusement.
From: "Tristan Havelick":
>>>DON ROSA:
>>>Do you write e-mail to us within your 9 to 5 period, or is this =
something social?
No, all e-mailing takes place after-hours (right now it's 12:15 AM). This is
one of the things that takes up all my spare time which was used for this
"relaxing" stuff in a previous life. The 9-5 period is reserved for paying
($$$) work -- I don't have a family to keep a roof over, but I have lots of
grass (and woods) that I don't want the bank to foreclose on!
From Ole Reichstein Nielsen:
>>>>>I wonder how many Disney comics we all have between us... by volume,
not issues - that's too hard to count. So I found a measureing tape and
ended up with the amount of 775 inches (that's 20m in euros, Marco :-)
I know the competition is tough, but I still dare to proclaim myself "T=
he
Duck-richest Man in the World"! And if push comes to shove we can
start counting pages. Or count panels, which should give us Egmont
collectors an unfair advantage.
What an interesting idea for a measurment! Yes, we Americans can't compete
with you Europeans on volume of Disney comics published. There have been so
many more there. But I'll take a tape down to the "vault" anyway and see
what I come up with.......
Ah. I have all my comics stacked on edge in archival boxes (about 60 per
box) so my measurements will include a bit of thin acid-free-cardboard
box-sides. But I see 20 feet (about 6 meters) of Disney comics, which would
be the maximum possible in America as that's a full set. Well, that doesn't
count the Disney titles spread through my (ahem... full) set of FOUR COLOR
COMICS (something Dell did in 1942-62), but those extend another 10 feet (3
m).
Why stop, as long as I was measuring? I have *lots* more comics than merely
all the Disneys. There is a total of about 330 feet (100+ m) of non-stop
comics in that room (1940-1985)... also about 85 feet ( 26 m) of various
comic-related magazines (CREEPY and NATIONAL LAMPOON and MAD and all that
sorta stuff). And then there's 53 feet (16 m) of TV GUIDES (1953 till #2000
when I gleefully stopped buying that now-hideous Rupert-Murdoch rag).
I won't measure the contents of the shelves in my "movie/TV" library (where
the TV GUIDEs were crowded from) or my reference library with its 20 sets of
various types of encyclopediae and... oh, never mind.
Author
Topic: 199807
(382 messages)
Don Rosa
Re:Digest 166-167
Message 181 -
1998-07-18 at 07:39:21
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #167
Message 182 -
1998-07-18 at 09:30:42
LYNNE:
> Well, I got out my tape measure. I have a stack three feet tall. Sorry,
> don't know meters. Now is that 775 square inches or linear. I'm quoting
the
> stacked amount. How about it? How much have you all got?
Including the B&W CBL and the various Gladstone albums, I have about
320cm/126in. I find, to my surprise, that I'm not the pauper I thought
I was!!! :-)
> It's always been my ambition, but not sufficient motivation. Besides, who
> could compete?
Remember that most of Scrooge's (and Glomgold's) string was destroyed in
"The Second Richest Duck", so it would be easy to compete.
Scrooge and Glomgold's string collecting reminded me of something
my father (and presumably others) used to do: chocolate wrapper
collection: he had a 5-10 cm ball made from the aluminum foil of
chocolate wrappers. With the availability of aluminum foil in rolls at
the supermarket, however, this collection was rendered pointless, and
the ball was thrown away. (Buy a roll at the supermarket for the price
of a chocolate bar or two, roll it into a ball, and you have a larger
ball than you could have made during a lifetime of eating chocolate!)
OLE:
> In my last message I mistyped a number: I actually have 1775
> inches
On the other hand, perhaps I *am* a pauper, after all!!! ;-)
BIRTE:
> Also it seems that collecting Barks comics is a man's hobby, there are
> very few women around. Why?
I don't know (it probably has something to do with the perceived roles of
men and women in our society), but I have a similar question: It seems
that *throwing away* Barks (and other kinds of) comics is a *woman's*
hobby. Many of us have been forced to throw away our comics by our
mothers at some time. *Why, oh, why*? :-)
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"My people are very keen to stamp out unlicensed time travel--you can look
upon them as galactic ticket inspectors, if you like."
"Galactic ticket inspectors?... Oh, I could murder a cup of tea!"
-----
> Well, I got out my tape measure. I have a stack three feet tall. Sorry,
> don't know meters. Now is that 775 square inches or linear. I'm quoting
the
> stacked amount. How about it? How much have you all got?
Including the B&W CBL and the various Gladstone albums, I have about
320cm/126in. I find, to my surprise, that I'm not the pauper I thought
I was!!! :-)
> It's always been my ambition, but not sufficient motivation. Besides, who
> could compete?
Remember that most of Scrooge's (and Glomgold's) string was destroyed in
"The Second Richest Duck", so it would be easy to compete.
Scrooge and Glomgold's string collecting reminded me of something
my father (and presumably others) used to do: chocolate wrapper
collection: he had a 5-10 cm ball made from the aluminum foil of
chocolate wrappers. With the availability of aluminum foil in rolls at
the supermarket, however, this collection was rendered pointless, and
the ball was thrown away. (Buy a roll at the supermarket for the price
of a chocolate bar or two, roll it into a ball, and you have a larger
ball than you could have made during a lifetime of eating chocolate!)
OLE:
> In my last message I mistyped a number: I actually have 1775
> inches
On the other hand, perhaps I *am* a pauper, after all!!! ;-)
BIRTE:
> Also it seems that collecting Barks comics is a man's hobby, there are
> very few women around. Why?
I don't know (it probably has something to do with the perceived roles of
men and women in our society), but I have a similar question: It seems
that *throwing away* Barks (and other kinds of) comics is a *woman's*
hobby. Many of us have been forced to throw away our comics by our
mothers at some time. *Why, oh, why*? :-)
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"My people are very keen to stamp out unlicensed time travel--you can look
upon them as galactic ticket inspectors, if you like."
"Galactic ticket inspectors?... Oh, I could murder a cup of tea!"
-----
Francois Willot
Disney comics Digest V98 #167
Message 183 -
1998-07-18 at 12:36:44
Stefan (about "MYTHTIC Mystery"):
>I can imagine someone missing the pun by reading the title somewhat
>carelessly. This could happen easily enough. But so many people?! Or
>are they just copying each other's lists? What about all you guys on
>the mailing list? Many of you know all the Barks stories, at least by
>title. How many of you had this title wrong? Or, should we ask, how
>many had it right?
Personally I saw that the word was somehow misspelled -- this is
probably one of the few English puns I ever noticed in a Barks story --
but I didn't know it was supposed to be a combination of mythic and
mystic. How did they (you?) translate it in Sweden, BTW? In "Picsou
magazine", the title is "Une plan=E8te mysthorieuse", mysthorieuse bein=
g a
combination of myst=E8re (=3Dmystery) and Thor.
Francois
>I can imagine someone missing the pun by reading the title somewhat
>carelessly. This could happen easily enough. But so many people?! Or
>are they just copying each other's lists? What about all you guys on
>the mailing list? Many of you know all the Barks stories, at least by
>title. How many of you had this title wrong? Or, should we ask, how
>many had it right?
Personally I saw that the word was somehow misspelled -- this is
probably one of the few English puns I ever noticed in a Barks story --
but I didn't know it was supposed to be a combination of mythic and
mystic. How did they (you?) translate it in Sweden, BTW? In "Picsou
magazine", the title is "Une plan=E8te mysthorieuse", mysthorieuse bein=
g a
combination of myst=E8re (=3Dmystery) and Thor.
Francois
Eta Beta
Most Various
Message 184 -
1998-07-18 at 14:13:36
OWEN
>>It's ALTACRAZ, not ALCATRAZ ! Nobody ever seems to notice...;-)
>
>Speaking of things like this, my copy (Gladstone's Ducktales No. 12) of
>the Barks duck story where the planet of Valhalla slips closer to the
>Earth in its orbit has the title in the splash panel of MYTHTIC Mystery
>(ie, a combination of Mythic and Mystic), whereas everywhere else it is
>referred to simply as MYTHIC Mystery.
You're absolutely right! I don't have the original, either, by my
reprint (USA CBLiC #33) presents the same misspelling in the index
and even on the cover.
However, "our" own DcD database of Disney stories lists both of
them with the correct spelling, "ALTACRAZ" and "MYTHTIC".
But there's another case, again from Scarpa, where it's easy
to misspell, "The Goat from ACATAPULCO" (not Acapulco), TL 348,
29/7/62, and I'm afraid even the DcD goofed, here... ;-)
OLE
>In my last message I mistyped a number: I actually have 1775
>inches (which I believe is close to 150 feet) of back-to-back
>Disney books.
That's more like it, for a record pretender.. ;-)
I consider myself a very humble collector, but I have 22 linear
meters of comics (as measured some time ago for planning new
shelves for them... might be 23 by now), but that's not Disney
only, lots of other stuff as well.
>can I consider myself "the duck champ"? :-)
You mean you don't even consider Mickey comics or other
Disney stuff ?
Well, guess the title is surely yours, then :-)
KATIE, CLAUDIA
"The Sheepish Cowboys" is indeed by Carl Barks, and was
first published in July '59 on "Grandma Duck's Farm Friends"
(Four Color 1010), together with 3 other stories:
"The Flying Farm Hand" (feat. HDL, Dumbo and Bre'r Fox !!)
"A Honey of a Hen" (feat. Scrooge and his favorite hen)
"The Weather Watchers" (feat. Gyro and Billy the goat)
Claudia could find "The Sheepish Cowboy" on Zio Paperone 53,
and the others on ZP 67 and 69. I'm unaware of recent reprints
of this stories in English, at the moment, but I also have 2
of them in German, on DD Sonderheft 95.
KRITON [about the "Last Balaboo" site]
>One quick suggestion about color schemes: Those yellow headlines
>are almost invisible on a white background...etc.
I'm answering this question privately, for fear of boring
people with technical, off-topic details :-)
However, I invite again all visitors of the "Last Balaboo"
page to make sure they're loading it from the server,
not their disk cache. The page is updated nearly daily :-)
>As for contributions ... a bound volume containing, among other
>things, the first Greek editions of "Lentils of Babylon",
>"Columbus' Butterfly", and, possibly, "Colossus of the Nile"...
>... hopefully, I will find it ... I'll get in touch with you
>to send you a few choice scans.
Thanks, that would be great for the "international" page,
where I would like to put examples of Scarpa's work in the most
various languages and versions.
What would be better, trying to collect images of the same
story (but which one?), or different ones ?
[about the "Man from Altacraz"]
>I remember the name of the instrument. In more
>recent editions it was called "pneustophono", i.e., wind instrument-phone,
>but in the first edition it was called "thoryvophono", i.e., noise-phone!!!
It's "imbutofono" in Italian, literally "funnelphone" :-)
>In addition, Altacraz was translated as Alcaraz!
Well, that's surely an editor's choice rather than misspelling,
I believe.
FRANCOIS
Thanks for the appreciation :-)
[about "Colossus of the Nile"]
>It's a pity
>Gladstone didn't keep the same sentence with "flare gun" instead of
>"pistola". And why did they add "The BB were our technicians"? Maybe
>it's not the fault of Gladstone, but the US version of Scarpa's script
>is not as good as the original one, IMHO.
Well, I don't see anything wrong in the translation, here.
Gladstone version just stresses the fact that Donald just
realized the BB were their techies, as in fact they were,
while the original assumes it's just obvious.
The "revelation" in fact comes in the previous panel, in
both the original and Gladstone, when the BB brag about
how they fooled the ducks and DD, hiding behind a rock
just comments "so..."
The original Italian could literally translate as
"Those patented devils! But to scot free they shouldn't have
forgotten this gun!"
As you see, Gladstone version is nearly identical, except
for that bit of "over-explanation", if you want.
I've put that example panels on my page because of the gun
turning into a flare gun. And I must also add that, although
meddling with art doesn't make me happy, we know the rules
as they are nowadays for reprints, "Thou shalt not point a
gun", etc, and Gladstone's solution of the problem in this
case is quite elegant. A flare gun is MUCH better than
pointing fingers...;-)
SOEREN [about the "Last Balaboo]
>The word was BTW translated into "Kukkeluk" in Danish
Hey! Can Somebody please give me the Last Balaboo's names
in various languages ?
[about the "Man from Altacraz"]
>On page 19 Geronimo (or Moritz Mollton in Danish) sits outside
>Mickey's window and next he calls Andeby Avis (a Duckburg
>or Mouseton newspaper).
I got it now! And I must've been blind to miss it.
However, it's not Geronimo (Moritz). That's the criminal
genius Dick Scassina (Picklock Dick), having fun at the
expenses of his adversaries, as any serious criminal genius
would...;-)
Cheers
Eta Beta
>>It's ALTACRAZ, not ALCATRAZ ! Nobody ever seems to notice...;-)
>
>Speaking of things like this, my copy (Gladstone's Ducktales No. 12) of
>the Barks duck story where the planet of Valhalla slips closer to the
>Earth in its orbit has the title in the splash panel of MYTHTIC Mystery
>(ie, a combination of Mythic and Mystic), whereas everywhere else it is
>referred to simply as MYTHIC Mystery.
You're absolutely right! I don't have the original, either, by my
reprint (USA CBLiC #33) presents the same misspelling in the index
and even on the cover.
However, "our" own DcD database of Disney stories lists both of
them with the correct spelling, "ALTACRAZ" and "MYTHTIC".
But there's another case, again from Scarpa, where it's easy
to misspell, "The Goat from ACATAPULCO" (not Acapulco), TL 348,
29/7/62, and I'm afraid even the DcD goofed, here... ;-)
OLE
>In my last message I mistyped a number: I actually have 1775
>inches (which I believe is close to 150 feet) of back-to-back
>Disney books.
That's more like it, for a record pretender.. ;-)
I consider myself a very humble collector, but I have 22 linear
meters of comics (as measured some time ago for planning new
shelves for them... might be 23 by now), but that's not Disney
only, lots of other stuff as well.
>can I consider myself "the duck champ"? :-)
You mean you don't even consider Mickey comics or other
Disney stuff ?
Well, guess the title is surely yours, then :-)
KATIE, CLAUDIA
"The Sheepish Cowboys" is indeed by Carl Barks, and was
first published in July '59 on "Grandma Duck's Farm Friends"
(Four Color 1010), together with 3 other stories:
"The Flying Farm Hand" (feat. HDL, Dumbo and Bre'r Fox !!)
"A Honey of a Hen" (feat. Scrooge and his favorite hen)
"The Weather Watchers" (feat. Gyro and Billy the goat)
Claudia could find "The Sheepish Cowboy" on Zio Paperone 53,
and the others on ZP 67 and 69. I'm unaware of recent reprints
of this stories in English, at the moment, but I also have 2
of them in German, on DD Sonderheft 95.
KRITON [about the "Last Balaboo" site]
>One quick suggestion about color schemes: Those yellow headlines
>are almost invisible on a white background...etc.
I'm answering this question privately, for fear of boring
people with technical, off-topic details :-)
However, I invite again all visitors of the "Last Balaboo"
page to make sure they're loading it from the server,
not their disk cache. The page is updated nearly daily :-)
>As for contributions ... a bound volume containing, among other
>things, the first Greek editions of "Lentils of Babylon",
>"Columbus' Butterfly", and, possibly, "Colossus of the Nile"...
>... hopefully, I will find it ... I'll get in touch with you
>to send you a few choice scans.
Thanks, that would be great for the "international" page,
where I would like to put examples of Scarpa's work in the most
various languages and versions.
What would be better, trying to collect images of the same
story (but which one?), or different ones ?
[about the "Man from Altacraz"]
>I remember the name of the instrument. In more
>recent editions it was called "pneustophono", i.e., wind instrument-phone,
>but in the first edition it was called "thoryvophono", i.e., noise-phone!!!
It's "imbutofono" in Italian, literally "funnelphone" :-)
>In addition, Altacraz was translated as Alcaraz!
Well, that's surely an editor's choice rather than misspelling,
I believe.
FRANCOIS
Thanks for the appreciation :-)
[about "Colossus of the Nile"]
>It's a pity
>Gladstone didn't keep the same sentence with "flare gun" instead of
>"pistola". And why did they add "The BB were our technicians"? Maybe
>it's not the fault of Gladstone, but the US version of Scarpa's script
>is not as good as the original one, IMHO.
Well, I don't see anything wrong in the translation, here.
Gladstone version just stresses the fact that Donald just
realized the BB were their techies, as in fact they were,
while the original assumes it's just obvious.
The "revelation" in fact comes in the previous panel, in
both the original and Gladstone, when the BB brag about
how they fooled the ducks and DD, hiding behind a rock
just comments "so..."
The original Italian could literally translate as
"Those patented devils! But to scot free they shouldn't have
forgotten this gun!"
As you see, Gladstone version is nearly identical, except
for that bit of "over-explanation", if you want.
I've put that example panels on my page because of the gun
turning into a flare gun. And I must also add that, although
meddling with art doesn't make me happy, we know the rules
as they are nowadays for reprints, "Thou shalt not point a
gun", etc, and Gladstone's solution of the problem in this
case is quite elegant. A flare gun is MUCH better than
pointing fingers...;-)
SOEREN [about the "Last Balaboo]
>The word was BTW translated into "Kukkeluk" in Danish
Hey! Can Somebody please give me the Last Balaboo's names
in various languages ?
[about the "Man from Altacraz"]
>On page 19 Geronimo (or Moritz Mollton in Danish) sits outside
>Mickey's window and next he calls Andeby Avis (a Duckburg
>or Mouseton newspaper).
I got it now! And I must've been blind to miss it.
However, it's not Geronimo (Moritz). That's the criminal
genius Dick Scassina (Picklock Dick), having fun at the
expenses of his adversaries, as any serious criminal genius
would...;-)
Cheers
Eta Beta
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Minnie's nieces & Scarpa
Message 185 -
1998-07-18 at 18:46:10
Eta Beta:
> In fact, you also sent this to me twice..:-)
What? If this is true, it must be due to that well-known "double-
posting" that includes both text *and* HTML.
Please let me hear, if you also receive this one twice,
so you get this post as a Cc as well.
> Well, I thought you *wanted* an explanation...;-)
I certainly did :-)
I think I first read this story when I was about 8 years old
or so, and it has always been mysterious to me. For some
reason I was stuck in the belief that Geronimo lived a
double life or something, being an unpredictable character
at night and a modest and friendly person at day light -
and the Danish version doesn't litterarely *prove* anything...
About your Balaboo site, I insist you include the Altacraz
story somehow; It is a *long* story, written by Scarpa
himself and a darn good one, if you ask me... ;-)
When you go through the DcD, not *that* many stories
had 60 pages *and* was actually written by Scarpa.
BTW I wonder who you all consider to be the Scarpa's successor?
Cavazzano is of course out of the question here, so what about
Del Conte or ... Dalla Santa ;-) ???
Soeren
> In fact, you also sent this to me twice..:-)
What? If this is true, it must be due to that well-known "double-
posting" that includes both text *and* HTML.
Please let me hear, if you also receive this one twice,
so you get this post as a Cc as well.
> Well, I thought you *wanted* an explanation...;-)
I certainly did :-)
I think I first read this story when I was about 8 years old
or so, and it has always been mysterious to me. For some
reason I was stuck in the belief that Geronimo lived a
double life or something, being an unpredictable character
at night and a modest and friendly person at day light -
and the Danish version doesn't litterarely *prove* anything...
About your Balaboo site, I insist you include the Altacraz
story somehow; It is a *long* story, written by Scarpa
himself and a darn good one, if you ask me... ;-)
When you go through the DcD, not *that* many stories
had 60 pages *and* was actually written by Scarpa.
BTW I wonder who you all consider to be the Scarpa's successor?
Cavazzano is of course out of the question here, so what about
Del Conte or ... Dalla Santa ;-) ???
Soeren
Rob Gibson
Anthropomorphism and funny animals
Message 186 -
1998-07-18 at 21:48:20
Regarding this interesting distinction, I recently reread "The gilded
Man" for the first time in a Looooong time, and was struck by the the
scene in El Dorado's "Mayan" temple museum where Donald says "What's up?
Did you see something?" And the nephews, sweating profusely, reply "Yes,
some stuffed ducks." We have, in the same panel, the stuffed "real"
ducks sitting on a shelf and the anthropomorphic, profusely sweating
Huey, Dewey and Louie Duck pointing to them. Perhaps Unca Carl is
haviung a little fun with his young audience
So, it seems to me that there are three types of animals in the Disney
Universe: Anthropomorphic animals, funny animals and "real" animals.
Agreed?
"The Screaming Cowboy. I'm to put in the nickel and run for my life. Who
wouldn't?" A Junior Woodchuck, following the ten star generals'
instructions, in WDCS 137.
Man" for the first time in a Looooong time, and was struck by the the
scene in El Dorado's "Mayan" temple museum where Donald says "What's up?
Did you see something?" And the nephews, sweating profusely, reply "Yes,
some stuffed ducks." We have, in the same panel, the stuffed "real"
ducks sitting on a shelf and the anthropomorphic, profusely sweating
Huey, Dewey and Louie Duck pointing to them. Perhaps Unca Carl is
haviung a little fun with his young audience
So, it seems to me that there are three types of animals in the Disney
Universe: Anthropomorphic animals, funny animals and "real" animals.
Agreed?
"The Screaming Cowboy. I'm to put in the nickel and run for my life. Who
wouldn't?" A Junior Woodchuck, following the ten star generals'
instructions, in WDCS 137.
Berglund
: Duck comics as part of the world...
Message 187 -
1998-07-19 at 01:39:31
Considering all discussion about collected length of back-to-back Disney
books and all the hysteria surrounding the total accuracy of details in
comics (as so often appears whenever Mr. Rosa has made a new story), here's
a thought that might interest the most fanatical of you (an insane thought,
but a thought nevertheless...)
If you could calculate the total amount of Disney comics of all kinds ever
printed in the _entire_ world throughout history, disregarding the
destruction of comics, what would be the total volume of these comics if
they were stacked in an enormous pile?
What would be the approximate mass of them? How much of Earth's mass does
that represent in percent?
What factors would you have to consider? Paper mass average weight...ink
"weight"...cover weight...average comic book size...album size etc. etc.
Hmmm....maybe I should go to bed now...I might be coming down with
something... oh look, tiny red ovens are circling my head...
/Martin Berglund
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #168
******************************************
books and all the hysteria surrounding the total accuracy of details in
comics (as so often appears whenever Mr. Rosa has made a new story), here's
a thought that might interest the most fanatical of you (an insane thought,
but a thought nevertheless...)
If you could calculate the total amount of Disney comics of all kinds ever
printed in the _entire_ world throughout history, disregarding the
destruction of comics, what would be the total volume of these comics if
they were stacked in an enormous pile?
What would be the approximate mass of them? How much of Earth's mass does
that represent in percent?
What factors would you have to consider? Paper mass average weight...ink
"weight"...cover weight...average comic book size...album size etc. etc.
Hmmm....maybe I should go to bed now...I might be coming down with
something... oh look, tiny red ovens are circling my head...
/Martin Berglund
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #168
******************************************
Rich Bellacera
Gladstone "Off-Line"?
Message 188 -
1998-07-19 at 10:26:38
Has something happened to Gladstone's website? I was trying to access the
secondary pages from http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/gladstone/menu.html
and I keep encountering a default error page instead? I realize there's a need
for some revamping (i.e. "Gladstone's Famous Five" should proabaly now say,
"Famous Two", and so forth), but I haven't had difficulties seeing the other
pages before? There was nothing on the title page to indicate a site revamp
so I was wondering if anyone knew what was up? David? Gary? Anyone?
secondary pages from http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/gladstone/menu.html
and I keep encountering a default error page instead? I realize there's a need
for some revamping (i.e. "Gladstone's Famous Five" should proabaly now say,
"Famous Two", and so forth), but I haven't had difficulties seeing the other
pages before? There was nothing on the title page to indicate a site revamp
so I was wondering if anyone knew what was up? David? Gary? Anyone?
RobertK168
Re Digest 168
Message 189 -
1998-07-19 at 13:28:44
DEAN REKICH asked:
<<if Gladstone were to add one more title to its prestige line-up,
would Donald Duck be your choice?>>
I would love to see more prestige books, simply because this is a more
permanent form. I disagree with the people who romanticized their old yellowed
comics.
If I had the decision, I'd love to see a series of *one-shot* titles, sort of
an updated "Four Color" series. A few weeks ago I found an old Gold Key
"Scamp" comic from my childhood. The comic was from 1973 and was a collection
of reprints from WDC&S. These were "fluffy", simple stories but I thought the
art was charming and, more importantly, it gave me a very pleasant feeling of
nostalgia. I feel the same way about the "Chip 'n' Dale" short stories.
Personaly, I still can't accept "Lil Bad Wolf" as an enjoyable comic for the
reasons previously posted, and I find the rhyming dialogue of "Bucky Bug" to
be incredibly annoying, but I know a lot of people love these, which is why a
think a series of "one-shots" would be great. I know it's been said in the
WDC&S letter pages that this variety of preferences is the reason for the
mixture of stories in WDC&S, but I would still love to have a large collection
of "Scamp" or "Chip 'n' Dale" reprints in a single book, in which the colors
won't fade and the paper won't age.
This question is directed more to the Gladstone folks: There's been a lot of
talk about reluctance to do Mickey Mouse collections and books devoted to the
minor characters because of poor sales. I suspect that most of the Prestige-
format books are being purchased for adults anyway. I don't imagine the
average kid spending $7 for a prestige Disney comic. Is this true, and if so
would it be worthwhile to try other Prestige titles with smaller print runs,
specifically with the adult collector in mind?
Bob Kass,
Arlington, MA
<<if Gladstone were to add one more title to its prestige line-up,
would Donald Duck be your choice?>>
I would love to see more prestige books, simply because this is a more
permanent form. I disagree with the people who romanticized their old yellowed
comics.
If I had the decision, I'd love to see a series of *one-shot* titles, sort of
an updated "Four Color" series. A few weeks ago I found an old Gold Key
"Scamp" comic from my childhood. The comic was from 1973 and was a collection
of reprints from WDC&S. These were "fluffy", simple stories but I thought the
art was charming and, more importantly, it gave me a very pleasant feeling of
nostalgia. I feel the same way about the "Chip 'n' Dale" short stories.
Personaly, I still can't accept "Lil Bad Wolf" as an enjoyable comic for the
reasons previously posted, and I find the rhyming dialogue of "Bucky Bug" to
be incredibly annoying, but I know a lot of people love these, which is why a
think a series of "one-shots" would be great. I know it's been said in the
WDC&S letter pages that this variety of preferences is the reason for the
mixture of stories in WDC&S, but I would still love to have a large collection
of "Scamp" or "Chip 'n' Dale" reprints in a single book, in which the colors
won't fade and the paper won't age.
This question is directed more to the Gladstone folks: There's been a lot of
talk about reluctance to do Mickey Mouse collections and books devoted to the
minor characters because of poor sales. I suspect that most of the Prestige-
format books are being purchased for adults anyway. I don't imagine the
average kid spending $7 for a prestige Disney comic. Is this true, and if so
would it be worthwhile to try other Prestige titles with smaller print runs,
specifically with the adult collector in mind?
Bob Kass,
Arlington, MA
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Gladstone "Off-Line"?
Message 190 -
1998-07-19 at 15:17:02
RICH:
Not only that, but Gladstone's e-mail addresses don't seem to be working, either.
=( They don't exist anymore, apparently. (The addresses, not Gladstone.)
-Augie
-------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) <*>
Pipeline Commentary and Review: New Every Sunday:
http://www.nic.com/~augie/pipeline
Not only that, but Gladstone's e-mail addresses don't seem to be working, either.
=( They don't exist anymore, apparently. (The addresses, not Gladstone.)
-Augie
-------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) <*>
Pipeline Commentary and Review: New Every Sunday:
http://www.nic.com/~augie/pipeline
Kosarin
Types of animals
Message 191 -
1998-07-19 at 16:56:37
ROB=85
Yes you're right but I have a question. The 'funny animal' stuff is
usually is seperate stories but they're either anthromorphic or wild so
you classify them because it usually doesn't matter=85 right?
Now about confusion=85 for example when somebody refers to a 'Duck' it
probably means a wild duck. Sometimes it's anthromormhic because
they're ducks right?
Yes you're right but I have a question. The 'funny animal' stuff is
usually is seperate stories but they're either anthromorphic or wild so
you classify them because it usually doesn't matter=85 right?
Now about confusion=85 for example when somebody refers to a 'Duck' it
probably means a wild duck. Sometimes it's anthromormhic because
they're ducks right?
Birte & Kresten Scheel
Disney comics Digest V98 #168
Message 192 -
1998-07-19 at 17:49:06
Hi
Stefan wrote:
>
>BIRTE SCHEEL:
>
>>I have been wondering why it's only men who has been writing the
>>prefaces to all 14 Danish Barks "Guldboeger"!
>
>Ehm... I'm afraid I got more bad news for you. The preface to this
years
>upcoming "Golden Book" will be written by yet another man. (The good
news is
>that he is very well qualified for the job.) Just about the only
consolation
>I can give you is that the fine editor at Egmont Copenhagen, who
contracted
>me for the ones I wrote in recent years, is a lady.
I am not surprised at all ............ :-)
>Back in the 80's I also wrote prefaces for the Swedish
>## 2 through 5, but I never knew if these texts were used outside of
Sweden.
>Any Danes or Norwegians who can tell me what you've got in those early
>books?
Stefan, you also wrote the preface for the Danish Golden Book No. 2.
Kriton wrote:
>
>BIRTE:
>
>> Also it seems that collecting Barks comics is a man's hobby, there
are
>> very few women around. Why?
>
>I don't know (it probably has something to do with the perceived roles
of
>men and women in our society), but I have a similar question: It seems
>that *throwing away* Barks (and other kinds of) comics is a *woman's*
>hobby. Many of us have been forced to throw away our comics by our
>mothers at some time. *Why, oh, why*? :-)
I'm so thankful that my mother never threw away any of my beloved Barks
comics!
Regards
Birte Scheel
Denmark
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Stefan wrote:
>
>BIRTE SCHEEL:
>
>>I have been wondering why it's only men who has been writing the
>>prefaces to all 14 Danish Barks "Guldboeger"!
>
>Ehm... I'm afraid I got more bad news for you. The preface to this
years
>upcoming "Golden Book" will be written by yet another man. (The good
news is
>that he is very well qualified for the job.) Just about the only
consolation
>I can give you is that the fine editor at Egmont Copenhagen, who
contracted
>me for the ones I wrote in recent years, is a lady.
I am not surprised at all ............ :-)
>Back in the 80's I also wrote prefaces for the Swedish
>## 2 through 5, but I never knew if these texts were used outside of
Sweden.
>Any Danes or Norwegians who can tell me what you've got in those early
>books?
Stefan, you also wrote the preface for the Danish Golden Book No. 2.
Kriton wrote:
>
>BIRTE:
>
>> Also it seems that collecting Barks comics is a man's hobby, there
are
>> very few women around. Why?
>
>I don't know (it probably has something to do with the perceived roles
of
>men and women in our society), but I have a similar question: It seems
>that *throwing away* Barks (and other kinds of) comics is a *woman's*
>hobby. Many of us have been forced to throw away our comics by our
>mothers at some time. *Why, oh, why*? :-)
I'm so thankful that my mother never threw away any of my beloved Barks
comics!
Regards
Birte Scheel
Denmark
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Eta Beta
The mythtic funnelphone & more
Message 193 -
1998-07-19 at 18:49:48
CHRIS B.
>In the most recent WDC&S, the text feature "The Year That Was -- 1965"
>discusses the Phantom Blot. In comparing the post-Gottfredson
>American-comics
>Blot (the fellow who appeared in the short-lived PHANTOM BLOT comic title and
>several other places), the article makes the following rather extraordinary
>claim:
>
>"As originally portrayed, the Blot was evil, dangerous, and deceptively
>clever...[but] the reincarnated Blot... had a different persona; he was
>comical, bumbling and a philosophical loser."
<snip>
>I think Gladstone stubbed its toe on this one. Any comments, objections,
>etc.?
I haven't read the new WDC yet (as usual I'm months behind), but this
is hardly a new concept, and regards nearly the whole Murry's corpus
of work...
Now, as a big Murry's fan I should agree with you... only... I must
admit the critics are well founded.
It's always been my personal opinion that the whole Disney production
sort of "stepped down" around the mid-sixties. All story plots became
much simpler, as if they were specifically addressed to a much younger
audience than they used to...
In particular, I've always been convinced that the work of some great
artists, like said Murry but Also Tony Strobl and Jack Bradbury,
suffered badly from not having more "serious" plots to work with...
However, past discussions on this list make me think that Murry is
one of those authors that are either loved or truly despised...
I, for one, truly love Murry's work, and invite anybody interested
to check a very good article about him, written by Germund Silvegren
and appearing on the web-magazine "The Art Bin", at :
http://art-bin.com/art/murryeng.html
RICH [on Melody & co.]
>I'm curious as to where the name "Molly" comes from?
Alberto Becattini says, in his "Red Book" :
"According to other sources, the character's original name
could have been Molly".
That's about it, I'm afraid... and Alberto's on holiday,
at the moment...
>I can easily believe these Jim Fletcher stories created for the
>Disney Studio may have presented the same Italian character of
>"Melody" as "Molly" in the US, but I cannot find any evidence.
Of course you can't. There's no Italian characters involved, here,
it's always the same Fletcher/Kinney one, only the name seems
to be a tad... unstable ;-)
I can't actually recall a single appearance of Minnie's niece(s)
in Italian stories, at the moment. There surely must be some,
but I'm nearly certain they happened much later than the early
sixties.
>In fact, the only stories I can find that have been published in
>American comics are Paul Murry stories which present Minnie
>with twin nieces, named both "Pammy & Tammy" and "Millicent
>& Melody."
Could you please name a few ? I have yet to find an appearance
of the two nieces...
DEAN R.
>I have two questions for members of this list and one
>for Gladstone
>One, do you miss not having as many Donald stories since Gladstone only
>has WDC$S and US now?
No, not really. But I would gladly see more Mickey Mouse stories.
>Two, if Gladstone were to add one more title to its prestige line-up,
>would Donald Duck be your choice?
No. It would be Mickey Mouse.
>Three, if Gladstone does renew its license to print Disney comics beyond
>this year (oh, how I hope and pray!!!), would a Donald Duck title be
>something fairly quick in the making, Gary?
And a Mickey Mouse one, Gary? :-)
STEFAN and OWEN [on Mythtic Mystery]
>How many of you had this title wrong? Or, should we ask, how many
>had it right?
Well, I had it right, because I copied the title from the DcD long
before having an English version of the story...
But I must admit I never noticed the misspelling on the cover and
index, when I finally got one, until Owen pointed that out...;-)
KRITON
>Many of us have been forced to throw away our comics by our
>mothers at some time. *Why, oh, why*? :-)
Well, my story is a bit different... I used to have an extensive
collection of Italian Disney comics and, as it often happens,
while approaching the age of 13-14 I lost completely interest in
them (moan! groan!).
Obviously, my mom was happy to get rid of that bulk of paper
but, being a sensible and generous person, instead of throwing
the comics in the dustbin she brought them at school with her
(she used to be a teacher), and distributed them to her pupils.
It took nearly 2 schoolyears to finish the bulk...
So, whenever I think about how terminally stupid I was at 13,
I have the consolation of knowing that my lost collection
did at least some good to other kids... :-)
FRANCOIS [Mythtic Mystery again]
>In "Picsou magazine", the title is "Une planete mysthorieuse",
>mysthorieuse being a combination of mystere (mystery) and Thor.
Brilliant! the translator kept the pun intact, although using
different words.
It was "Pianeta Valalla" (Valhalla Planet), in Italy.
SOEREN [Man from Altacraz]
>I think I first read this story when I was about 8 years old
>or so, and it has always been mysterious to me. For some
>reason I was stuck in the belief that Geronimo lived a
>double life or something, being an unpredictable character
>at night and a modest and friendly person at day light -
Well, but that's exactly the impression that Scarpa wanted
to give his readers...
An innocent is suspected of a crime, and all evidence is
against him... moreover, the character's past is not
exactly limpid, and the real villain is also plotting
against him... and we can't be sure he's really innocent,
after all...
Sounds familiar ? It's pure Alfred Hitchcock :-)
>and the Danish version doesn't litterarely *prove* anything...
Well, I can't say anything about the Danish version, but the
original ending is clear enough about who did what, and
even why...;-)
ROB G.
>So, it seems to me that there are three types of animals in the Disney
>Universe: Anthropomorphic animals, funny animals and "real" animals.
>Agreed?
Generally speaking, yes. But I would like to introduce
again my favorite example of... "gender-bending", Ellsworth the Mynah
Bird (raven, crow, whatever one likes best).
Even more than in the quoted wolves & pigs stories, Ellsworth can escape
the vicious attack of a cat trying to eat him, then sit at a table
and eat chicken or burgers himself... he can leave the university
building where he'd just given a lecture on astrophysics only to get
caught by a dogcatcher and end up in a kennel as a "stray bird"...
he flies, but also drives a car... and so on...
Where do we put this little guy in the anthropomorphic animals scale ?
Is he the missing link ? ;-)
However, anybody interested in this subject could also find lots of
information on Rich's "HooZoo" page, at :
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
Cheers
Eta Beta
>In the most recent WDC&S, the text feature "The Year That Was -- 1965"
>discusses the Phantom Blot. In comparing the post-Gottfredson
>American-comics
>Blot (the fellow who appeared in the short-lived PHANTOM BLOT comic title and
>several other places), the article makes the following rather extraordinary
>claim:
>
>"As originally portrayed, the Blot was evil, dangerous, and deceptively
>clever...[but] the reincarnated Blot... had a different persona; he was
>comical, bumbling and a philosophical loser."
<snip>
>I think Gladstone stubbed its toe on this one. Any comments, objections,
>etc.?
I haven't read the new WDC yet (as usual I'm months behind), but this
is hardly a new concept, and regards nearly the whole Murry's corpus
of work...
Now, as a big Murry's fan I should agree with you... only... I must
admit the critics are well founded.
It's always been my personal opinion that the whole Disney production
sort of "stepped down" around the mid-sixties. All story plots became
much simpler, as if they were specifically addressed to a much younger
audience than they used to...
In particular, I've always been convinced that the work of some great
artists, like said Murry but Also Tony Strobl and Jack Bradbury,
suffered badly from not having more "serious" plots to work with...
However, past discussions on this list make me think that Murry is
one of those authors that are either loved or truly despised...
I, for one, truly love Murry's work, and invite anybody interested
to check a very good article about him, written by Germund Silvegren
and appearing on the web-magazine "The Art Bin", at :
http://art-bin.com/art/murryeng.html
RICH [on Melody & co.]
>I'm curious as to where the name "Molly" comes from?
Alberto Becattini says, in his "Red Book" :
"According to other sources, the character's original name
could have been Molly".
That's about it, I'm afraid... and Alberto's on holiday,
at the moment...
>I can easily believe these Jim Fletcher stories created for the
>Disney Studio may have presented the same Italian character of
>"Melody" as "Molly" in the US, but I cannot find any evidence.
Of course you can't. There's no Italian characters involved, here,
it's always the same Fletcher/Kinney one, only the name seems
to be a tad... unstable ;-)
I can't actually recall a single appearance of Minnie's niece(s)
in Italian stories, at the moment. There surely must be some,
but I'm nearly certain they happened much later than the early
sixties.
>In fact, the only stories I can find that have been published in
>American comics are Paul Murry stories which present Minnie
>with twin nieces, named both "Pammy & Tammy" and "Millicent
>& Melody."
Could you please name a few ? I have yet to find an appearance
of the two nieces...
DEAN R.
>I have two questions for members of this list and one
>for Gladstone
>One, do you miss not having as many Donald stories since Gladstone only
>has WDC$S and US now?
No, not really. But I would gladly see more Mickey Mouse stories.
>Two, if Gladstone were to add one more title to its prestige line-up,
>would Donald Duck be your choice?
No. It would be Mickey Mouse.
>Three, if Gladstone does renew its license to print Disney comics beyond
>this year (oh, how I hope and pray!!!), would a Donald Duck title be
>something fairly quick in the making, Gary?
And a Mickey Mouse one, Gary? :-)
STEFAN and OWEN [on Mythtic Mystery]
>How many of you had this title wrong? Or, should we ask, how many
>had it right?
Well, I had it right, because I copied the title from the DcD long
before having an English version of the story...
But I must admit I never noticed the misspelling on the cover and
index, when I finally got one, until Owen pointed that out...;-)
KRITON
>Many of us have been forced to throw away our comics by our
>mothers at some time. *Why, oh, why*? :-)
Well, my story is a bit different... I used to have an extensive
collection of Italian Disney comics and, as it often happens,
while approaching the age of 13-14 I lost completely interest in
them (moan! groan!).
Obviously, my mom was happy to get rid of that bulk of paper
but, being a sensible and generous person, instead of throwing
the comics in the dustbin she brought them at school with her
(she used to be a teacher), and distributed them to her pupils.
It took nearly 2 schoolyears to finish the bulk...
So, whenever I think about how terminally stupid I was at 13,
I have the consolation of knowing that my lost collection
did at least some good to other kids... :-)
FRANCOIS [Mythtic Mystery again]
>In "Picsou magazine", the title is "Une planete mysthorieuse",
>mysthorieuse being a combination of mystere (mystery) and Thor.
Brilliant! the translator kept the pun intact, although using
different words.
It was "Pianeta Valalla" (Valhalla Planet), in Italy.
SOEREN [Man from Altacraz]
>I think I first read this story when I was about 8 years old
>or so, and it has always been mysterious to me. For some
>reason I was stuck in the belief that Geronimo lived a
>double life or something, being an unpredictable character
>at night and a modest and friendly person at day light -
Well, but that's exactly the impression that Scarpa wanted
to give his readers...
An innocent is suspected of a crime, and all evidence is
against him... moreover, the character's past is not
exactly limpid, and the real villain is also plotting
against him... and we can't be sure he's really innocent,
after all...
Sounds familiar ? It's pure Alfred Hitchcock :-)
>and the Danish version doesn't litterarely *prove* anything...
Well, I can't say anything about the Danish version, but the
original ending is clear enough about who did what, and
even why...;-)
ROB G.
>So, it seems to me that there are three types of animals in the Disney
>Universe: Anthropomorphic animals, funny animals and "real" animals.
>Agreed?
Generally speaking, yes. But I would like to introduce
again my favorite example of... "gender-bending", Ellsworth the Mynah
Bird (raven, crow, whatever one likes best).
Even more than in the quoted wolves & pigs stories, Ellsworth can escape
the vicious attack of a cat trying to eat him, then sit at a table
and eat chicken or burgers himself... he can leave the university
building where he'd just given a lecture on astrophysics only to get
caught by a dogcatcher and end up in a kennel as a "stray bird"...
he flies, but also drives a car... and so on...
Where do we put this little guy in the anthropomorphic animals scale ?
Is he the missing link ? ;-)
However, anybody interested in this subject could also find lots of
information on Rich's "HooZoo" page, at :
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
Cheers
Eta Beta
Ben, Kris & Ross
Re:Digest #168
Message 194 -
1998-07-19 at 18:54:53
From Ole Reichstein Nielsen:
>I wonder how many Disney comics we all have between us... by volume,
>not issues - that's too hard to count. So I found a measureing tape and
>ended up with the amount of 1775 inches (that's 20m in euros, Marco :-)
i have about 20 feet(6m) total of comics (using a tape measure on boxes
and subtracting about 2 inches per box). it feels tiny compared to the
collections mentioned, but there's some great reading enjoyment in
there.
my inventory covers roughly 2000 comics, with disney being 65% of them
and other comics about 35%. one standout of my collection is a 1935
donald duck book (9x13") #978 which i have framed in our hall way. does
everyone have a standout comic? (obviously, those with full collections
do!)
i was wondering how everyone came about their collections. i acquired
mine as originals, with the exceptions of an occasional back issue
purchase. i received the above donald book as a gift from the original
owner who was my friend and neighbor (sadly, he passed away).
don rosa and others: did you accumulate your comics as issued, buy your
collection from a collector, or get them as compensation for doing
stories, etc.?
ross :-)
>I wonder how many Disney comics we all have between us... by volume,
>not issues - that's too hard to count. So I found a measureing tape and
>ended up with the amount of 1775 inches (that's 20m in euros, Marco :-)
i have about 20 feet(6m) total of comics (using a tape measure on boxes
and subtracting about 2 inches per box). it feels tiny compared to the
collections mentioned, but there's some great reading enjoyment in
there.
my inventory covers roughly 2000 comics, with disney being 65% of them
and other comics about 35%. one standout of my collection is a 1935
donald duck book (9x13") #978 which i have framed in our hall way. does
everyone have a standout comic? (obviously, those with full collections
do!)
i was wondering how everyone came about their collections. i acquired
mine as originals, with the exceptions of an occasional back issue
purchase. i received the above donald book as a gift from the original
owner who was my friend and neighbor (sadly, he passed away).
don rosa and others: did you accumulate your comics as issued, buy your
collection from a collector, or get them as compensation for doing
stories, etc.?
ross :-)
Per-Erik Malmström
Duck/wolf crossovers.
Message 195 -
1998-07-19 at 19:18:49
KATIE:
The version I have is a reprint in Walt Disney's Comics and
> Stories from February of 1965. The only number I could find on it was
Vol. 25, No.
> 5. I'm not sure how that fits into the overall numbering system.
I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who doesn't know how that system
works. Could someone please explain how it works (if it does)?
Best,
Per-Erik
The version I have is a reprint in Walt Disney's Comics and
> Stories from February of 1965. The only number I could find on it was
Vol. 25, No.
> 5. I'm not sure how that fits into the overall numbering system.
I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who doesn't know how that system
works. Could someone please explain how it works (if it does)?
Best,
Per-Erik