Hello.
I have found something terrible in Finnish Carl Barks publications.
The publicing house, Helsinki Media (www.helsinkimedia.fi), currently
publishes a booklet series called "Best of DD/Carl Barks Library" with 40
or such parts each having at least 4 stories. The series is mentioned in
Finnish section of DComics database as "AAP".
I compared WDC 142 "Houseboat Holiday" in AAP to one published in DD
issue 1954/4. Here are my observations:
(i) AAP version has no clouds; earlier version has clouds;
(ii) in AAP the sky color varies frame by frame from blue to green,
burble, yellow and what more; earlier version has only a blue sky
(with white clouds);
(iii) in AAP some thin lines are breaking;
(iv) in AAP, frame 4.5 (page 4, panel 5), there is extra shadows
along with black shadows; earlier versions has only the black
shadows; also the fire in frame 7.3 and 7.4 is colored differently;
(v) in AAP the outer sides of frames are cut: for example, in frame
5.8 the tail of one nephew is not visible, but is visible in earlier
version.
The lack of clouds, breaks in thin lines, differences in shadows and
fires, and fancy sky colors can be explaned by poor computer coloring:
details has been forgotten to save time in coloring --- and fancy sky
colors are easily done and looks great... at least in kids' view.
I have no explanation why they did cut sides away -- perhaps they wanted
to fit stories to certain size of paper.
Note that this may apply to other European countries too because Finnish
versions may have been done from Dutch or Swedish versions. Please verify
and let us know.
The same observations seems also to apply to WDC 156 "The Master Rainmaker"
and most perhaps to all stories in AAP series. In WDC 156 of AAP there are
the clouds, of course, but they are less 3D than in earlier version.
Also, the first frame of WDC 156 in AAP is cut horizontally to half -- the
top part is missing. In earlier version the first frame is a typical big
first frame.
Hmm.. I really hope my suggestion about CB CD-ROM will take a step
forward because I would like to see the stories as CB drew them.
If CB never colorized them, colorization can be added as additional
(and optional) layer over the photos.
Yours,
Juhana
PS. The text style in the mentioned issue of AAP is really bad (but other
issues has okay or mediate text style). The text is so thin and small that
it really is difficult to read.
PPS. Somebody at Disney should contact to Helsinki Media and have "a talk"
with them in order to raise the quality.
PPPS. Anyone interested in to design with me such a CD-ROM containing
CB stories?
Author
Topic: 199807
(382 messages)
Juhana K Kouhia
Finnish Carl Barks stories ruined?
Message 211 -
1998-07-20 at 15:08:54
Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #169
Message 212 -
1998-07-20 at 15:34:20
OLE:
> (I can still beat you hands down, Kriton! :-)
Of course, but having 1/7 the amount of the comics of the tentative champion
isn't so bad.
On the other hand, how much of those 775 inches is unique material?
My comic books are mostly Gladstones and Komix, so I probably must
divide my amount by at least 3. :-(
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"What are we gonna do now?"
"Keep it confused, feed it with useless information--I wonder if I have a
television set handy."
-----
> (I can still beat you hands down, Kriton! :-)
Of course, but having 1/7 the amount of the comics of the tentative champion
isn't so bad.
On the other hand, how much of those 775 inches is unique material?
My comic books are mostly Gladstones and Komix, so I probably must
divide my amount by at least 3. :-(
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"What are we gonna do now?"
"Keep it confused, feed it with useless information--I wonder if I have a
television set handy."
-----
Rich Bellacera
Nieces & Marriages
Message 213 -
1998-07-20 at 18:57:39
ETA BETA:
> RICH [on Melody & co.]
> >I'm curious as to where the name "Molly" comes from?
> >I can easily believe these Jim Fletcher stories created for the
> >Disney Studio may have presented the same Italian character of
> >"Melody" as "Molly" in the US, but I cannot find any evidence.
>
> Of course you can't. There's no Italian characters involved, here,
> it's always the same Fletcher/Kinney one, only the name seems
> to be a tad... unstable ;-)
But from the few Italian printings I've had the privledge of seeing
(thank you Franco), and the one Brazilian reprinting the name was
consistantly "Melody" (Melodia in Brazil). Just the fact that the
name "Melody" was used more than twice in different stories should
help establish a continuity. This, of course, is why I favor the
idea that Minnie at least has ONE consistant niece named "Melody."
Of course, if you add the fact that a niece named "Melody" did
appear in the US, you could say that this is proof of a theme, only
the American "Melody" was accompanied by her TWIN named "Millicent"
(this later fact muddies the entire theory).
> >In fact, the only stories I can find that have been published in
> >American comics are Paul Murry stories which present Minnie
> >with twin nieces, named both "Pammy & Tammy" and "Millicent
> >& Melody."
>
> Could you please name a few ? I have yet to find an appearance
> of the two nieces...
Sure... "Mickey Mouse" #88 in "Mickey's Close Call" (as "Pammy &
Tammy") in July 1963, and later that same year in "Mickey Mouse
Album" #1 (Gold Key 01-518-210, Sept. 1963) in "The Late Show"
(as "Millie & Melody" later reprinted in "Walt Disney Comics
Digest" #35, June 1972), though they may have appeared in earlier
stories by Paul Murry (I know of no other source).
CLAUDIO:
> I think, I remember "Molly" in 70s issues. If you like, I start
> a search. (hopefully finding some story-codes, perhaps). I do
> remember the twin-nieces, but can't recall their german names
> at the moment.
If it's not too much of a bother... but I suspect you will probably
find the same "Melody" stories which have been printed in Italy and
Brazil. Storycodes would surely help in this mystery.
LYNNE:
> Who are the parents? Are HD&L Donald's brother's or sister's
> children? Or maybe he was married in a past life and these are
> his former wife's nephews.
Don's nephews, HD&L, are the children of his sister Della from the
original comicstrip (Dumbella in the cartoon) "Donald's Nephews".
Don Rosa has hinted at doing a tale concerning their mysterious
father someday (hint, hint).
> Though I can't imagine any duck-woman marrying Donald. And
> speaking of marrying.... Have there been any inter-species
> marriages?
Well I can't recall any prominent characters who are in a cross-
special marriage, though if Horace (horse) and Clarabelle (cow)
ever finally tie the knot you'll have your first prime example
(Horace & Clarabelle have been engaged since the 30s or 40s and
I, for one, think it's about time they did the deed!).
> Have there been any marriages at all?
Yes. Patricia and Percy Pigg for one. They are Disney's longest
married couple. Of course, according to Walt Disney, himself,
Mickey & Minnie are really married, but on screen, they play
sweethearts, with Mickey still courting her.
> RICH [on Melody & co.]
> >I'm curious as to where the name "Molly" comes from?
> >I can easily believe these Jim Fletcher stories created for the
> >Disney Studio may have presented the same Italian character of
> >"Melody" as "Molly" in the US, but I cannot find any evidence.
>
> Of course you can't. There's no Italian characters involved, here,
> it's always the same Fletcher/Kinney one, only the name seems
> to be a tad... unstable ;-)
But from the few Italian printings I've had the privledge of seeing
(thank you Franco), and the one Brazilian reprinting the name was
consistantly "Melody" (Melodia in Brazil). Just the fact that the
name "Melody" was used more than twice in different stories should
help establish a continuity. This, of course, is why I favor the
idea that Minnie at least has ONE consistant niece named "Melody."
Of course, if you add the fact that a niece named "Melody" did
appear in the US, you could say that this is proof of a theme, only
the American "Melody" was accompanied by her TWIN named "Millicent"
(this later fact muddies the entire theory).
> >In fact, the only stories I can find that have been published in
> >American comics are Paul Murry stories which present Minnie
> >with twin nieces, named both "Pammy & Tammy" and "Millicent
> >& Melody."
>
> Could you please name a few ? I have yet to find an appearance
> of the two nieces...
Sure... "Mickey Mouse" #88 in "Mickey's Close Call" (as "Pammy &
Tammy") in July 1963, and later that same year in "Mickey Mouse
Album" #1 (Gold Key 01-518-210, Sept. 1963) in "The Late Show"
(as "Millie & Melody" later reprinted in "Walt Disney Comics
Digest" #35, June 1972), though they may have appeared in earlier
stories by Paul Murry (I know of no other source).
CLAUDIO:
> I think, I remember "Molly" in 70s issues. If you like, I start
> a search. (hopefully finding some story-codes, perhaps). I do
> remember the twin-nieces, but can't recall their german names
> at the moment.
If it's not too much of a bother... but I suspect you will probably
find the same "Melody" stories which have been printed in Italy and
Brazil. Storycodes would surely help in this mystery.
LYNNE:
> Who are the parents? Are HD&L Donald's brother's or sister's
> children? Or maybe he was married in a past life and these are
> his former wife's nephews.
Don's nephews, HD&L, are the children of his sister Della from the
original comicstrip (Dumbella in the cartoon) "Donald's Nephews".
Don Rosa has hinted at doing a tale concerning their mysterious
father someday (hint, hint).
> Though I can't imagine any duck-woman marrying Donald. And
> speaking of marrying.... Have there been any inter-species
> marriages?
Well I can't recall any prominent characters who are in a cross-
special marriage, though if Horace (horse) and Clarabelle (cow)
ever finally tie the knot you'll have your first prime example
(Horace & Clarabelle have been engaged since the 30s or 40s and
I, for one, think it's about time they did the deed!).
> Have there been any marriages at all?
Yes. Patricia and Percy Pigg for one. They are Disney's longest
married couple. Of course, according to Walt Disney, himself,
Mickey & Minnie are really married, but on screen, they play
sweethearts, with Mickey still courting her.
Donald D. Markstein
Disney comics Digest V98 #169
Message 214 -
1998-07-20 at 18:58:54
LYNNE IN ILLINOIS --
>>"OK, is that "back-to-back" as in north-south to
>> north-south? or east-west to east-west? (height vs.
>> width)"
The rest of us are referring to thickness -- that is,
stacking them one on top of another, parallel to the
ground, how tall is the pile? (As a general rule of
thumb, by the way, I usually figure about a hundred
comics to the foot, which means there's at least one
collection on this list in the 6,500-issue range. Which,
to a guy like me, wouldn't seem like a lot, except that
it's all Disney)
HENNING REICHSTEIN --
Whew! 775 inches seems a little less mind-
boggling than 1,775 (tho its still a hefty multiple of
my own Disney collection).
20 feet does seem like a smallish estimate for
the total U.S. production of Disney comics. I've
estimated my own holdings, which are mostly (tho not
all) U.S. at more than that (tho less than 25), and I
don't have anywhere near all of them. (I stand at about
90% on WDC&S, with much smaller percents of the other
major titles.) Could my estimate of my own collection
be that far off?
Quack, Don
>>"OK, is that "back-to-back" as in north-south to
>> north-south? or east-west to east-west? (height vs.
>> width)"
The rest of us are referring to thickness -- that is,
stacking them one on top of another, parallel to the
ground, how tall is the pile? (As a general rule of
thumb, by the way, I usually figure about a hundred
comics to the foot, which means there's at least one
collection on this list in the 6,500-issue range. Which,
to a guy like me, wouldn't seem like a lot, except that
it's all Disney)
HENNING REICHSTEIN --
Whew! 775 inches seems a little less mind-
boggling than 1,775 (tho its still a hefty multiple of
my own Disney collection).
20 feet does seem like a smallish estimate for
the total U.S. production of Disney comics. I've
estimated my own holdings, which are mostly (tho not
all) U.S. at more than that (tho less than 25), and I
don't have anywhere near all of them. (I stand at about
90% on WDC&S, with much smaller percents of the other
major titles.) Could my estimate of my own collection
be that far off?
Quack, Don
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V98 #169
Message 215 -
1998-07-20 at 20:21:52
ALL:
Rich wrote:
>Has something happened to Gladstone's website? I was trying to access the
>secondary pages from http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/gladstone/menu.html
>and I keep encountering a default error page instead?
You may now access our web site at the following two addresses:
www.brucehamilton.com
www.hamlco.com
(add "/gladstone/index.html" to either to get right to the Gladstone home
page.)
There is also indirect access from our old "www.hamlco.com/bhc" address.
The link Rich attempted to follow points specifically to the old location
of our Gladstone pages, which is no longer valid.
TO ANYONE WHO, ON THEIR OWN WEB SITE, HAS SET UP ANY LINKS TO GLADSTONE'S
WEB SITE:
Please check to see that your link(s) point to one of the addresses above,
and update as needed. And would you all do me the very great favor of
dropping me a line at "(Email removed)" and letting me know if and when
you've done this, or if you encounter any problems doing this? Thank you
very kindly in advance.
As I have mentioned before, I recently upgraded the status of our site and
transferred it to a new server, mainly to take full advantage of our
registered domain names. It was a pretty hairy process, and is not yet
complete (the issue of non-functioning e-mail addresses is the latest
headache I hope to clear up this week), but it gives us more flexibility
and capability than we had. Who knows, we may even use it.
DEAN AND "MACVUONO":
Practically everything you have asked would require answers that
incorporate the phrase "Depending on...", and right now it just doesn't
seem there is much use in going over that kind of territory when, to all
intents and purposes, there's nothing I can really tell you. That aside, I
can say that Donald Duck is at the top of the list of comic book titles we
would revive, depending on (see?) eventualities.
Gary
****************************
"It's either very new cheese or very old meat." - Oscar Madison
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com
Rich wrote:
>Has something happened to Gladstone's website? I was trying to access the
>secondary pages from http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/gladstone/menu.html
>and I keep encountering a default error page instead?
You may now access our web site at the following two addresses:
www.brucehamilton.com
www.hamlco.com
(add "/gladstone/index.html" to either to get right to the Gladstone home
page.)
There is also indirect access from our old "www.hamlco.com/bhc" address.
The link Rich attempted to follow points specifically to the old location
of our Gladstone pages, which is no longer valid.
TO ANYONE WHO, ON THEIR OWN WEB SITE, HAS SET UP ANY LINKS TO GLADSTONE'S
WEB SITE:
Please check to see that your link(s) point to one of the addresses above,
and update as needed. And would you all do me the very great favor of
dropping me a line at "(Email removed)" and letting me know if and when
you've done this, or if you encounter any problems doing this? Thank you
very kindly in advance.
As I have mentioned before, I recently upgraded the status of our site and
transferred it to a new server, mainly to take full advantage of our
registered domain names. It was a pretty hairy process, and is not yet
complete (the issue of non-functioning e-mail addresses is the latest
headache I hope to clear up this week), but it gives us more flexibility
and capability than we had. Who knows, we may even use it.
DEAN AND "MACVUONO":
Practically everything you have asked would require answers that
incorporate the phrase "Depending on...", and right now it just doesn't
seem there is much use in going over that kind of territory when, to all
intents and purposes, there's nothing I can really tell you. That aside, I
can say that Donald Duck is at the top of the list of comic book titles we
would revive, depending on (see?) eventualities.
Gary
****************************
"It's either very new cheese or very old meat." - Oscar Madison
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com
Paolo Castagno
Comics collections
Message 216 -
1998-07-20 at 22:58:48
Hello,
Well, I spent some time measuring my *Disney* comics
collection, in order to see if I could compete with the most
prominent collectors... and the result of all my measurings
has been pretty surprising: in my not-so-long life (I'm 29,
and no one of my parents or grannies ever collected a single
issue) I reached a total of 29,5 meters that is the same of
1163 inches!!!
Well, it's a darn good collection, isn't it? (or, at least let me hope
it is!)
And about the older (eldest?, elder? I'll never remember
it in the right way!!!) piece from my collection, it's a book
about Mickey's adventures as an ancient knight with King
Arthur, it's not a real comic book, but a text book with
some (many) illustrations published in March 1939 and
in *mint* conditions... and Ross, I'll never put such a
precious item in a frame just to exhibit it and allow the
sunlight to ruin it!! ;-)
Ciao,
- Paolo
http.//www.confor.it:2222/disney
Well, I spent some time measuring my *Disney* comics
collection, in order to see if I could compete with the most
prominent collectors... and the result of all my measurings
has been pretty surprising: in my not-so-long life (I'm 29,
and no one of my parents or grannies ever collected a single
issue) I reached a total of 29,5 meters that is the same of
1163 inches!!!
Well, it's a darn good collection, isn't it? (or, at least let me hope
it is!)
And about the older (eldest?, elder? I'll never remember
it in the right way!!!) piece from my collection, it's a book
about Mickey's adventures as an ancient knight with King
Arthur, it's not a real comic book, but a text book with
some (many) illustrations published in March 1939 and
in *mint* conditions... and Ross, I'll never put such a
precious item in a frame just to exhibit it and allow the
sunlight to ruin it!! ;-)
Ciao,
- Paolo
http.//www.confor.it:2222/disney
Kosarin
Ellsworth
Message 217 -
1998-07-20 at 23:41:28
Ellsworth is one of the few talking pets. I think most animals like
Pluto understand English but only some can talk. If Ellsworth acts like
a bird or human it just depends on the situation.
Pluto understand English but only some can talk. If Ellsworth acts like
a bird or human it just depends on the situation.
Paolo Castagno
Phantom Blot as Mussolini???????
Message 218 -
1998-07-21 at 00:18:52
Hi,
DAVID KING (Ventor) wrote:
>It's my theory that Gottfredson's Blot was
>modelled on Mussolini. (Note the black, "Italian" hair, when the Blot
is
>unmasked at the end.)
What?? Have you ever seen a picture of Mussolini??
He never had a single hair in his head (and not a single good idea,
neither)
Did you ever comparised the unmasked Blot to Walt Disney?
They ARE the same person!
>It's interesting that Gottfredson's Blot is very human, whereas
Murry's one
>isn't. It's as though Gottfredson sees the forces of evil as all too
real,
>while the forces of good (personified by Mickey in his ridiculous
button-up
>shorts) are the stuff of whimsy.
That's the point Gottfredson's Mickey DOESN'T play the role of
"the forces of good", expecially in stories written by de Maris and
Walsh.
If you read the story "The Miracle Master", you'll know Gottfredson's
and de Maris' ideas about being lawful, polite, generous, etc....
It's Murry's Mickey who plays that role, or better JUST that role!
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
DAVID KING (Ventor) wrote:
>It's my theory that Gottfredson's Blot was
>modelled on Mussolini. (Note the black, "Italian" hair, when the Blot
is
>unmasked at the end.)
What?? Have you ever seen a picture of Mussolini??
He never had a single hair in his head (and not a single good idea,
neither)
Did you ever comparised the unmasked Blot to Walt Disney?
They ARE the same person!
>It's interesting that Gottfredson's Blot is very human, whereas
Murry's one
>isn't. It's as though Gottfredson sees the forces of evil as all too
real,
>while the forces of good (personified by Mickey in his ridiculous
button-up
>shorts) are the stuff of whimsy.
That's the point Gottfredson's Mickey DOESN'T play the role of
"the forces of good", expecially in stories written by de Maris and
Walsh.
If you read the story "The Miracle Master", you'll know Gottfredson's
and de Maris' ideas about being lawful, polite, generous, etc....
It's Murry's Mickey who plays that role, or better JUST that role!
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
Paolo Castagno
Hiding comics
Message 219 -
1998-07-21 at 00:20:14
Hello, again
Claudia wrote;
>To all those collectors with meters after meters (feet after feet) of
>comics I have a question: where do you keep them?
Shhhh, I can't tell it or my mother will throw them away! ;-)
- Paolo
Claudia wrote;
>To all those collectors with meters after meters (feet after feet) of
>comics I have a question: where do you keep them?
Shhhh, I can't tell it or my mother will throw them away! ;-)
- Paolo
Eta Beta
Disney comics Digest V98 #169
Message 220 -
1998-07-21 at 01:20:12
ROSS
>one standout of my collection is a 1935 donald duck book (9x13")
>#978 which i have framed in our hall way.
>does everyone have a standout comic? (obviously, those with full
>collections do!)
>
>i was wondering how everyone came about their collections. i acquired
>mine as originals, with the exceptions of an occasional back issue
>purchase. i received the above donald book as a gift from the original
>owner who was my friend and neighbor (sadly, he passed away).
I'm glad I have the occasion to mention the most precious
pieces of my collection, two booklets from 1933
that are among the very first Italian publications of
Disney stuff. They're not proper comics, though, but
rhymin' text with accompanying illustrations taken from
early Mickey cartoons, Italian versions of previously
published similar American books (MM Movie Stories).
The Italian version of the text was probably adapted by
the famous poet Cesare Pavese.
However, what makes them precious to me, apart from the
monetary value, is the fact that those booklets were bought
by my grandfather, who passed them to my father who, in turn,
passed them to me.
They've been in my family for three generations :-)
DON M.
I totally agree with you on the matter of story length
severely limiting the possibilities of an articulate plot.
And, if I were an editor, I would gladly give you 24
pages for a hair-raising wolf story.
DON & STEFAN
>Yes, by the way, it is official Egmont policy that Mickey Mouse lives in
>Duckburg, but simply doesn't run into the Ducks very often. "Mouseton", as
>far as I know, came from the brief period when Disney did its own
>publishing in the U.S., and is no longer used, tho not everybody seems
>up-to-speed on that. Or maybe it's different in the Italian version, and
>that's what has people confused. In any case, Mickey's home town in the
>Egmont countries, and, I believe, in the U.S. (to the extent that he HAS
>a home in the U.S.) is Duckburg.
Stefan was right in pointing out once again that Mouseton
doesn't exist in northern countries. Somehow, that concept
keeps escaping my mind...
But it does surely exist in American comics, ever since the early
thirties, although not with exactly the same name.
In "MM outwits the Phantom Blot", for instance, the action takes
place in "Mouseville".
That's where "Topolinia" comes from, not the other way 'round.
And Donald Duck himself used to live there, well before Duckburg
was "founded" in '44 ;-)
FRANCOIS
>You didn't mention the famous story "Topolino imperatore della
>Calidornia". Apparently, Calidornia and Calisota are two different
>states in Italian Disney publications.
As far as I know, "Calidornia" was only used once, in the
Scarpa story, while "Calisota"... I can't remember any occurrence
of the term in Italian stories or translations, at the moment...
As a footnote to the above message to Don & Stefan, I also
have to add that Italian authors, especially back then, didn't
care much for consistency in locations... or perhaps Mondadori
never bothered... however, there's even a Bottaro story,
"Pippo e il fantasma migratore", TL 319 7/1/62, where Witch
Hazel brings Ser Soldano's ghost to Topolinia from Scotland
"just across the Atlantic", and they reach a city with an
unequivocable New York-like skyline...;-)
>The name of the last Balaboo in France is "Barzalou".
Thanks. Er... how do I say "the last barzalou", now...
but I *must* have a French dictionary somewhere... :-)
CLAUDIO E.
>the story was renamed to "Der Mann aus Ping-Pong" (a
>gag word for sing-sing?)
Most likely. BTW, Ping-Pong is the place where the
Beagle Boys end up, most of the times, in Italian stories.
>This is called "Der letzte Gulu-Gulu" here.
Gut. Thanks :-)
Cheers
Eta Beta
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #170
******************************************
>one standout of my collection is a 1935 donald duck book (9x13")
>#978 which i have framed in our hall way.
>does everyone have a standout comic? (obviously, those with full
>collections do!)
>
>i was wondering how everyone came about their collections. i acquired
>mine as originals, with the exceptions of an occasional back issue
>purchase. i received the above donald book as a gift from the original
>owner who was my friend and neighbor (sadly, he passed away).
I'm glad I have the occasion to mention the most precious
pieces of my collection, two booklets from 1933
that are among the very first Italian publications of
Disney stuff. They're not proper comics, though, but
rhymin' text with accompanying illustrations taken from
early Mickey cartoons, Italian versions of previously
published similar American books (MM Movie Stories).
The Italian version of the text was probably adapted by
the famous poet Cesare Pavese.
However, what makes them precious to me, apart from the
monetary value, is the fact that those booklets were bought
by my grandfather, who passed them to my father who, in turn,
passed them to me.
They've been in my family for three generations :-)
DON M.
I totally agree with you on the matter of story length
severely limiting the possibilities of an articulate plot.
And, if I were an editor, I would gladly give you 24
pages for a hair-raising wolf story.
DON & STEFAN
>Yes, by the way, it is official Egmont policy that Mickey Mouse lives in
>Duckburg, but simply doesn't run into the Ducks very often. "Mouseton", as
>far as I know, came from the brief period when Disney did its own
>publishing in the U.S., and is no longer used, tho not everybody seems
>up-to-speed on that. Or maybe it's different in the Italian version, and
>that's what has people confused. In any case, Mickey's home town in the
>Egmont countries, and, I believe, in the U.S. (to the extent that he HAS
>a home in the U.S.) is Duckburg.
Stefan was right in pointing out once again that Mouseton
doesn't exist in northern countries. Somehow, that concept
keeps escaping my mind...
But it does surely exist in American comics, ever since the early
thirties, although not with exactly the same name.
In "MM outwits the Phantom Blot", for instance, the action takes
place in "Mouseville".
That's where "Topolinia" comes from, not the other way 'round.
And Donald Duck himself used to live there, well before Duckburg
was "founded" in '44 ;-)
FRANCOIS
>You didn't mention the famous story "Topolino imperatore della
>Calidornia". Apparently, Calidornia and Calisota are two different
>states in Italian Disney publications.
As far as I know, "Calidornia" was only used once, in the
Scarpa story, while "Calisota"... I can't remember any occurrence
of the term in Italian stories or translations, at the moment...
As a footnote to the above message to Don & Stefan, I also
have to add that Italian authors, especially back then, didn't
care much for consistency in locations... or perhaps Mondadori
never bothered... however, there's even a Bottaro story,
"Pippo e il fantasma migratore", TL 319 7/1/62, where Witch
Hazel brings Ser Soldano's ghost to Topolinia from Scotland
"just across the Atlantic", and they reach a city with an
unequivocable New York-like skyline...;-)
>The name of the last Balaboo in France is "Barzalou".
Thanks. Er... how do I say "the last barzalou", now...
but I *must* have a French dictionary somewhere... :-)
CLAUDIO E.
>the story was renamed to "Der Mann aus Ping-Pong" (a
>gag word for sing-sing?)
Most likely. BTW, Ping-Pong is the place where the
Beagle Boys end up, most of the times, in Italian stories.
>This is called "Der letzte Gulu-Gulu" here.
Gut. Thanks :-)
Cheers
Eta Beta
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #170
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Heitmann, Owen James - HEIOJ001
Ducks and Wolves
Message 221 -
1998-07-21 at 03:46:03
G'day,
This might be a bit late now, but I accidentally sent it to the wrong
address the first time and only just worked it out (sorry Per!).
Regarding the recent discussion about interaction between the Duck and
Li'l Bad Wolf universes, it should be noted that Barks himself used the
Big Bad Wolf in at least one duck story ("The Whole Herd Of Help" with
the story code GDFFOS 1161 - actually, I don't know if Barks wrote it or
only drew it). This story involves Uncle Scrooge's present to Grandma
Duck of an unwanted gift elephant, and the Big Bad Wolf plays the
relatively acceptable role of horse rustler, rather than homicidal
maniac. Granted, this involves more the ducks venturing into the Big Bad
Wolf's territory than vice versa, but it is an example of the two groups
meeting.
Thanks to Daniel Tangri and the people who sent me private e-mail about
Gladstone's availability in Australia for their very helpful
information. And by the way, I wrote my first e-mail in Word and then
copied and pasted it into my e-mail - managing to remove the end of my
name in the process. So, my name is Owen *Heitmann*
Cheers.
This might be a bit late now, but I accidentally sent it to the wrong
address the first time and only just worked it out (sorry Per!).
Regarding the recent discussion about interaction between the Duck and
Li'l Bad Wolf universes, it should be noted that Barks himself used the
Big Bad Wolf in at least one duck story ("The Whole Herd Of Help" with
the story code GDFFOS 1161 - actually, I don't know if Barks wrote it or
only drew it). This story involves Uncle Scrooge's present to Grandma
Duck of an unwanted gift elephant, and the Big Bad Wolf plays the
relatively acceptable role of horse rustler, rather than homicidal
maniac. Granted, this involves more the ducks venturing into the Big Bad
Wolf's territory than vice versa, but it is an example of the two groups
meeting.
Thanks to Daniel Tangri and the people who sent me private e-mail about
Gladstone's availability in Australia for their very helpful
information. And by the way, I wrote my first e-mail in Word and then
copied and pasted it into my e-mail - managing to remove the end of my
name in the process. So, my name is Owen *Heitmann*
Cheers.
DeanMary
Prestige vs. "regular" titles and a possible Donald Duck title
Message 222 -
1998-07-21 at 05:29:32
Kriton wrote:
Personally, I would like to see *fewer* prestige titles, and *more*
regular titles. One my joys in life is to sit at the table, and have a
snack while reading a Disney comic book. Albums and prestige format
comics, that cannot lay flat on the table (unless you break the spine,
I suppose), cannot be used in such an activity, and are therefore a big
disappointment for me.
I personally feel the exact same way in regards to the prestige
titles. I am really trying to warm up to them as they are the only
current choice from Gladstone, however I don't know how successful I
have been. I too love that with a regular comic it can lay flat across
a table, my lap, etc. It appears to me though that the majority of the
list members seems to prefer the presige format. Am I correct with that
or all wrong? Right now with how things are at Gladstone though I'll
take Disney comics in any format! (Right now I am hoping no one at
Gladstone is thinking, "YES! We'll start printing them on postcards,
microfiche, etc.! :))
Gary wrote:
That aside, I can say that Donald Duck is at the top of the list of
comic book titles we would revive, depending on (see?) eventualities.
YES! Just knowing that is the plan if things go right for Gladstone,
Gary, brings a lot of joy to me! So I can now at least have some
reasonable hope of seeing a Donald Duck title again in the near future!
Now if I could only figure a way to make Disney give Gladstone a VERY
favorable liscensing deal... :) Hey, I can dream! :)
Dean Rekich
Personally, I would like to see *fewer* prestige titles, and *more*
regular titles. One my joys in life is to sit at the table, and have a
snack while reading a Disney comic book. Albums and prestige format
comics, that cannot lay flat on the table (unless you break the spine,
I suppose), cannot be used in such an activity, and are therefore a big
disappointment for me.
I personally feel the exact same way in regards to the prestige
titles. I am really trying to warm up to them as they are the only
current choice from Gladstone, however I don't know how successful I
have been. I too love that with a regular comic it can lay flat across
a table, my lap, etc. It appears to me though that the majority of the
list members seems to prefer the presige format. Am I correct with that
or all wrong? Right now with how things are at Gladstone though I'll
take Disney comics in any format! (Right now I am hoping no one at
Gladstone is thinking, "YES! We'll start printing them on postcards,
microfiche, etc.! :))
Gary wrote:
That aside, I can say that Donald Duck is at the top of the list of
comic book titles we would revive, depending on (see?) eventualities.
YES! Just knowing that is the plan if things go right for Gladstone,
Gary, brings a lot of joy to me! So I can now at least have some
reasonable hope of seeing a Donald Duck title again in the near future!
Now if I could only figure a way to make Disney give Gladstone a VERY
favorable liscensing deal... :) Hey, I can dream! :)
Dean Rekich
Rob Gibson
Violence...censorship...declining US sales
Message 223 -
1998-07-21 at 06:42:10
As a stockholder in Disney, I am offended by what seems to me to be
heavy handed micromanagement of our creative assets(comic book writers).
It is affecting the value of my stock!!!
Imagine what would happen to the popularity of cartoons if they were
censored as Disney comics are now censored. Can you imagine the wildly
popular Roadrunner cartoons after they passed through Disney's US comic
book censors? Can anyone come up with a legitimate reason why cartoons
and comics should have such dramatically different standards?
IMHO, Disney is shooting itself in the foot( no pun intended concerning
the recent gun related discussion)) in this arena by unnecessarily
interfering in the creative communication between its writers and US
readers(I'm only familiar with Disney's US comics, hence this discussion
is relevant only to the US market). I look at the robustness of the
forties/early fifties stories (when US WDCS circulation was upwards of
three million) and I know many of them would have trouble getting past
the censors today. What is US circulation today, 60 thousand or so? 2
percent of what it was? MAYBE there is a connection. MAYBE unnecessary
censorship equals lower circulation. There are, I expect, other issues
in the circulation decline, but this is the big one.
And if I'm wrong, what have we got to lose? In US circulation, not
much.
If anyone happens to know who the appropriate Disney corporate party
might be to express my written opinion to, I'd like to hear from you.
Thanks
RG
heavy handed micromanagement of our creative assets(comic book writers).
It is affecting the value of my stock!!!
Imagine what would happen to the popularity of cartoons if they were
censored as Disney comics are now censored. Can you imagine the wildly
popular Roadrunner cartoons after they passed through Disney's US comic
book censors? Can anyone come up with a legitimate reason why cartoons
and comics should have such dramatically different standards?
IMHO, Disney is shooting itself in the foot( no pun intended concerning
the recent gun related discussion)) in this arena by unnecessarily
interfering in the creative communication between its writers and US
readers(I'm only familiar with Disney's US comics, hence this discussion
is relevant only to the US market). I look at the robustness of the
forties/early fifties stories (when US WDCS circulation was upwards of
three million) and I know many of them would have trouble getting past
the censors today. What is US circulation today, 60 thousand or so? 2
percent of what it was? MAYBE there is a connection. MAYBE unnecessary
censorship equals lower circulation. There are, I expect, other issues
in the circulation decline, but this is the big one.
And if I'm wrong, what have we got to lose? In US circulation, not
much.
If anyone happens to know who the appropriate Disney corporate party
might be to express my written opinion to, I'd like to hear from you.
Thanks
RG
Moss, Thomas
Ducks and Wolves
Message 224 -
1998-07-21 at 06:55:00
Along the same lines, I also recall several Junior Woodchucks
stories where the Big Bad Wolf is involved with Huey, Dewey and Louie.
I can also remember another story with BBW on Grandma Duck's farm. I
can't recall the story details right now...I'll try to look them up when
I get home. I believe they were printed by Gold Key under the "Junior
Woodchucks" title. Again, I'm not sure offhand.
Tom Moss
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Author: "Heitmann; Owen James - HEIOJ001"
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Date: 7/20/98 5:46 PM
G'day,
This might be a bit late now, but I accidentally sent it to the wrong
address the first time and only just worked it out (sorry Per!).
Regarding the recent discussion about interaction between the Duck and
Li'l Bad Wolf universes, it should be noted that Barks himself used the
Big Bad Wolf in at least one duck story ("The Whole Herd Of Help" with
the story code GDFFOS 1161 - actually, I don't know if Barks wrote it or
only drew it). This story involves Uncle Scrooge's present to Grandma
Duck of an unwanted gift elephant, and the Big Bad Wolf plays the
relatively acceptable role of horse rustler, rather than homicidal
maniac. Granted, this involves more the ducks venturing into the Big Bad
Wolf's territory than vice versa, but it is an example of the two groups
meeting.
Thanks to Daniel Tangri and the people who sent me private e-mail about
Gladstone's availability in Australia for their very helpful
information. And by the way, I wrote my first e-mail in Word and then
copied and pasted it into my e-mail - managing to remove the end of my
name in the process. So, my name is Owen *Heitmann*
Cheers.
stories where the Big Bad Wolf is involved with Huey, Dewey and Louie.
I can also remember another story with BBW on Grandma Duck's farm. I
can't recall the story details right now...I'll try to look them up when
I get home. I believe they were printed by Gold Key under the "Junior
Woodchucks" title. Again, I'm not sure offhand.
Tom Moss
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Subject: Ducks and Wolves
Author: "Heitmann; Owen James - HEIOJ001"
[SMTP:(Email removed)]
at MSXGATE
Date: 7/20/98 5:46 PM
G'day,
This might be a bit late now, but I accidentally sent it to the wrong
address the first time and only just worked it out (sorry Per!).
Regarding the recent discussion about interaction between the Duck and
Li'l Bad Wolf universes, it should be noted that Barks himself used the
Big Bad Wolf in at least one duck story ("The Whole Herd Of Help" with
the story code GDFFOS 1161 - actually, I don't know if Barks wrote it or
only drew it). This story involves Uncle Scrooge's present to Grandma
Duck of an unwanted gift elephant, and the Big Bad Wolf plays the
relatively acceptable role of horse rustler, rather than homicidal
maniac. Granted, this involves more the ducks venturing into the Big Bad
Wolf's territory than vice versa, but it is an example of the two groups
meeting.
Thanks to Daniel Tangri and the people who sent me private e-mail about
Gladstone's availability in Australia for their very helpful
information. And by the way, I wrote my first e-mail in Word and then
copied and pasted it into my e-mail - managing to remove the end of my
name in the process. So, my name is Owen *Heitmann*
Cheers.
Ben, Kris & Ross
Re:
Message 225 -
1998-07-21 at 15:39:10
>- Paolo:
>... and Ross, I'll never put such a precious item in a frame just to
exhibit it and allow the sunlight to
>ruin it!! ;-)
i have been fortuate to find a custom frame shop to help preserve it
while it is displayed by the following: no adhesives were used, all
materials around the comic book are 100% rag cotton (acid-free), and the
plexiglass has a glazing of OP-2 (an ultra-violet blocking layer) to
help with sunlight damage.
also, my hallway is dark usually and out of direct sunlight, which
helps. i am happy to see it framed and get enjoyment having it out -
even at the risk of exposing the cover. does anyone else have a framed
comic? anyone else display their comics?
thanks,
ross
>... and Ross, I'll never put such a precious item in a frame just to
exhibit it and allow the sunlight to
>ruin it!! ;-)
i have been fortuate to find a custom frame shop to help preserve it
while it is displayed by the following: no adhesives were used, all
materials around the comic book are 100% rag cotton (acid-free), and the
plexiglass has a glazing of OP-2 (an ultra-violet blocking layer) to
help with sunlight damage.
also, my hallway is dark usually and out of direct sunlight, which
helps. i am happy to see it framed and get enjoyment having it out -
even at the risk of exposing the cover. does anyone else have a framed
comic? anyone else display their comics?
thanks,
ross