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Candico86
While reading a comic I saw that Scrooge walked very leisurly throguh the
streets and nobody really looked at him. SInce Scrooge is
multi-bazillionaire or something I would think everyone would be looking at
him because he is so famous. Is scrooge supposed to be very famous or is he
supposed to be such a recluse that nobody knows of him, just curious to see
if anyone knew.
Søren Krarup Olesen
There has been some discussion going on about annoying, irritating
characters, and among those Fethry was mentioned on the indexer's
mailing list, and I can't help commenting this...

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About Fethry himself, I've always felt that he was the one to bring
chaos into the otherwise so stabil universe of the ducks; Scrooge luring
an unlucky Donald to follow him unpayed on treasure trips, HDL always
solving problems etc. etc.

Fethry "operates" differently. Unlike Donald, who usually has som sort
of "mental reservations", Fethry just wishes to please people and do
his job right. The means by which Fethry (tries to) accomplish his
goals are wild, free and only limited by author's fantasy. The reason is
simple; he doesn't expect to inherit Scrooge's fortune, he doesn't have
a girlfriend to depend on and vice versa (and no competitors like
Gladstone), no nephews who need at least a minimum of care, iow. he is
utterly free! Anyone knows, where Fethry actually lives!?

Fethry is IMO indispensable in the duck universe, since he brings both
new ideas and disturbance into the scene. Imagine a Mickey without
Goofy's unpredictability; what dull and monotonous stories we would
have had. It's a bit like Tintin; the best stories IMO came out when
Haddock was introduced, who is somewhat an "unreliable" character as
well. Who is Asterix anyway without Obelix etc...

I love characters who break the balance. BTW, I wonder why Fethry
suddenly (mid 60s) changed from having a relative normal hairstyle to
having a...well...long untrimmed hippie hair... isn't Fethry basically a
hippie in the original sense? ;-)

Søren
Armando Botto
Gilles:
> The fourth I've found is in the first Picsou Magasine, in the story "Oncle
Picsou contre Tonton Soupic", originally AL 170 A : "Zio Paperone e la guera
delle conchiglie", from Rodolfo Cimino and Giulio Chierchini". In France he
is called Soupic, (does anyone know his Italian Name?)

The Italian name is Conchiglione.

Francois:
> There is also "Rapesou" (in the French version), a poor man who is the
exact opposite of Scrooge, except for his visual appearance. The story was
published in an Almanach du Journal de Mickey, but I don't recall it right
now.

Maybe the Strobl 10-pager
S 70121 Too Many Mcducks
The Inducks provides the following description for the story: "beggar cousin
of US kidnapped by BB". The Italian name for the cousin is "Straccetton de'
Paperoni".

Ciao,
Armando
Gilles MAURICE
First, let's speak about the Ducks.
Scrooge is the World Richest Man. I think he were famous from the day he was
rich to 1930, the date he "disappeared from private life" (Lo$), in Dismal
Downs, and at Dawson, and, by reputation, all over the world (in Lo$ 7,
Whyatt Hearp says him something like: "This coin ...and this string...
Scrooge McDuck! " and tells the nicknames he has had all over the world.
But during Barksian stories, I think he is only famous by name, reputation,
and because of the Bin (see the reporting from Lo$ 12). In WUS 20, we can
see that the furnaces seller don't know who he is and calls him grandpa
until Scrooge tells his name...
Grandma is shown to be famous by name in the same reporting from Lo$ 12, and
also in W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.. She is just shown to be one of the
first persons who live in Duckburg, and also as Clinton Coot's daughter.
Donald is also a little famous, by his bad reputation in Duckburg, but as I
told in my History of the Ducks, nobody remembers his shortn cinematographic
career.
Mickey Mouse is not famous in the stories he appears in, which take place,
to me, before Barks' stories, but in the Hidden Mickey from "A Little
Something Special", he seems to be a star (Searching from the present
Scrooge will most enjoy, one of the Duckburgian propose him a dedicaced
photograph of Mickey). We could imagine that, as in my theory, Mickey became
very famous with the post-45's films he did. (if you haven't understood
something, see the February DCML Archives)

PS: Flintheart doesn't live in South America, but Africa, of course!...
Arthur De Wolf
Hi,

The Netherlands has a Donald Duck weekly magazine and a Donald Duck (Extra)
monthly magazine. The monthly one prints all the Rosa stories. Anything Rosa
has never been published in the (most popular and more widely read) weekly
comic.

This week's weekly issue has an ad for a free insert mini-bookie in two
weeks. It shows Donald, Joe Carioca and Panchito and it says the Three
Cabellero's will be back together.

I wonder if this is Rosa's Three Cabellero's story (which I thought was
really good, btw). Harry, do you know anything about this?

Kind regards,

Arthur de Wolf
Disney Comics Worldwide: http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw
Arthur De Wolf
Hi,

There's a (rather depressing, according to me) tribute to Barks by someone
named "Mezzo" in French Picsou 350. It's on the place where normally the
Rosa drawings are, namely on the inside cover. It even says "Les d?lires de
Mezzo 1", in stead of the usual "Les in?dits de Don Rosa #".

Who is Mezzo and will there be more Rosa drawings in upcoming issues of
Picsou? I certainly hope so.

Kind regards,

Arthur de Wolf
Disney Comics Worldwide: http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw
Olivier
Hello everyone!

>>Gilles:
>>Donald is also a little famous, by his bad reputation in Duckburg, but as
>>I told in my History of the Ducks, nobody remembers his shortn
>>cinematographiccareer
>>in the Hidden Mickey from "A Little Something Special", he seems to be
>>a star (Searching from the present Scrooge will most enjoy, one of the
>>Duckburgian propose him a dedicaced photograph of Mickey).

Two questions are often debated regarding Mickey, Donald et al, viz:
- which "facts" are to be ignored / taken into account depending on their
source: Barks / non Barks, comic book / comic strip , comics / cartoon, ...
- how do the Mouse & Duck worlds / universes relate to each other.
Sometimes an attempt to solve the problem is to consider that the character
appeared in the cartoons as an actor, or that the story is a fancy.

I just thought of something.
Have you read Michael Crichton's "Timeline"?
The novel hinges around time travel; a character is invited to try a time machine
and is trapped in time; his friends go back in time to rescue him; from then on
the story is set in the Middle Ages, in France.
As usual with Crichton-- and Don Rosa-- a solid theory backs the technology used.
Here, the starting points are quantum mechanics & the theory of "multiverses".
It's somewhat like "Sliders".
The idea is that there exist other universes which are so many possible variations
on the one we know.
Given the huge amount of people and the huge amount of decisions each has
to make, the number of combinations and resulting consequences is astronomical.
Then you can imagine a machine that would enable you to visit these other possible
worlds: the "Sliders" explore drastically different places (where Dinosaurs aren't extinct
or the whole planet is aflame); Crichton's machine explores worlds that are close enough
to our own to be considered replicas of our past.

Now, that's exactly what we have with Mickey & Donald. True, no need of such complex
theory to know that the comic books, comic strips and cartoons are diffferent media,
ie, different universes. But this doesn't account for the difference in content. Whether it's
the script or the cartoon, the story is the same. Just as there are model sheets for the
animated features (and Barks was asked to do some for the comics at one point), the
Company could very well have made edicted rules regarding the background & relationship
of the characters-- like, "Donald can never appear with Mickey, albeit as a foil who only
appears in 30% of the story and only says 2 lines"..
But there are no such rules and everyone does as he likes.

So we might very well consider all these stories as multiverses that sometimes happen
to overlap. The Barks & Don Rosa stories are a case in point: Don Rosa is most true
to Barks' creations, but, still, the characters have acquired Don Rosaian (-esque?)
traits.
In one universe (Gottfredson's early period), Donald' was part of Mickey's team.
In another one (Gottfredson's later period), he disappeared from the Mouse stories.
In still another one ("Mickey & Donald" covers) they were reunited.
And so on...

Again, I'm aware, it's going far in theory to state a very simple thing (there are comic books,
comic strips, cartoons, and they just aren't the same), but-- well...

Olivier

wishing you a good week!
Olivier
>>Who is Mezzo and will there be more Rosa drawings in upcoming issues of
>>Picsou? I certainly hope so.
No idea who this is and would like to know too.

Bad news regarding the pin-ups, from Don Rosa himself
(re Digest # 408, Feb 13):
>>a warning to other PICSOU
>>subscribers who like my pin-ups... there won't be anymore for at least a
>>few months. I have lost contact with the editor. He recently took over the
>>editorship of LE JOURNAL DE MICKY due to how well he had done improving the
>>sales of PICSOU, and I assume he's inundated with work. It might be a while
>>before we get back up to speed
Olivier
>>Candico:
>>SInce Scrooge is multi-bazillionaire or something I would think everyone
>>would be looking at him because he is so famous. Is scrooge supposed
>>to be very famous or is he supposed to be such a recluse that nobody
>>knows of him

A few examples to start with.

U$ 27: "The Money Champ" (Sept '59)
People in the street hail Scrooge as "Champ!"
They are proud of the richest citizen; when Flintheart seems to beat him,
they boo their former champion, who now "look[s] like a bum"
U$1-p: Several instances of people greeting Scrooge in the one-pagers.
WDC&S 194 (Nov '56): "Smoke Writer in the Sky" (Album 31)
Nobody pays attention to candidate Scrooge-- "They don't
*like* men, I guess!"
U$ 59 (Sept '65): "North of the Yukon" (Album 40)
Donald wants his uncle to pose for "Jolt" Magazine":
"It'll make you *famous*!"
"I don't want to be *famous*!" exclaims Scrooge. "I only want
to be *rich* and *lonely*!"
Which is somewhat reminiscent of Dec '47: "Everybody hates me and I hate everybody!"

Here's what I think.
First, when Scrooge arrived in Duckburtg, it was a one-horse town.
His investments & factories turned Duckburg into what it is now: a thriving city.
So he *is* quite well-known.
Then I guess people just got used to him, however rich he may be. They either
greet him or ignore him, whether they know him or hold him in contempt, or simply
do not care who he is.
Then the the city's prosperity and ensuing expansion attracted many people, who
simply don't know Scrooge.
Maria Helena Carvalhinho Trindade De Araújo Regalo
Hello chaps

I am a Portuguese collector of Disney Comics with 45 years old.
I have some brazilian Disney magazines with Carl Bark's fabulous stories, some published in the late 50's. I would like to know some more about brazilian authors of that time, working to the Abril Editora.
Maybe Artur Faria Jr or some other author of today, have some answers to me.

(Aos brasileiros peritos em temas relacionados com a edi??o portuguesa de hist?rias Disney que me possam elucidar sobre os desenhadores e autores dos anos 50 e 60, agradecia tamb?m contacto de poss?veis coleccionadores de revistas Abril desse per?odo - em Portugal n?o conhe?o ningu?m)

Bem hajam. Henrique Regalo
Candico86
Does anybody know what "The Life and Times of Scrooge part 0" and "The Life
and Times of Scrooge part 6.5" are. I don't know if it is worth getting those
so I was hoping someone else knew what they were so they could tell me.
Olivier
"The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck",
1/ Part 0-- "Of Ducks, Dimes and Destinies":
Magica de Spell goes back in time to when
Scrooge earned his first dime.
2/ Part 6 1/2: "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff":
Scrooge & a posse of quite famous characters
go after the Dalton brothers.
I don't want to spoil anyone's fun by telling more than neccessary.
I'll only add that 6 1/2 co-stars Uncle Pothole, in case you like
him-- I do.

>>I don't know if it is worth getting those
Barks / Gottfredson / Taliaferro / Don Rosa / you-name-him stories
are always worth getting. Some definitely *are* weaker, but even those
are worthwhile. Another obvious statement: whether *you* like the story
is purely personal.
Both have a little chase. The first one hinges around a twist;
the second one is very funny.
And-- big point: they are part of the L&T series.
If you're expecting something like "The Cowboy Captain of
the Cutty Sark" or "The King of the Klondike", neither one
can compare; they're somewhat different-- but they're good stories.

Olivier
François Willot
Armando:
> > There is also "Rapesou" (in the French version), a poor man who is the
> exact opposite of Scrooge, except for his visual appearance. The story was
> published in an Almanach du Journal de Mickey, but I don't recall it right
> now.
> Maybe the Strobl 10-pager
> S 70121 Too Many Mcducks
> The Inducks provides the following description for the story: "beggar
cousin
> of US kidnapped by BB". The Italian name for the cousin is "Straccetton
de'
> Paperoni".

Thanks Armando! Yes, I confirm that's most probably the story. Gilles, if
you want to locate the French publication, I am sure you'll find it in one
of the Almanach du Journal de Mickey, 80s or late 70s. I just can't check
any right now.
In the story, Straccetton looks so much like Scrooge that the nephews first
think that the beggar is their uncle. And so do the Beagle who'll kidnapp
him thinking he is the rich Scrooge McDuck.

Francois
François Willot
As Harry wrote, the "COA" search engine was unreachable this week-end (and
on friday) due to maintainance of the server.
It is now available at:
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/search.php

New features have been recently added to the search engine. The search
engine is available in 8 languages:
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A Norwegian version (http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/search.php/7) is
in the making.

Disney character names in Danish, German, etc. are used in each version of
the search engine. So you can search for "Zio paperone" or "Picsou" instead
of "Uncle Scrooge".

Descriptions in the language choosen, and reprint information in the
coresponding country are shown by default.

The version of the Inducks used in the COA search will be updated regularly.
Currently, I update it every week.

The advanced search page
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/comp.php
is also translated in the different languages.

Francois
François Willot
To answer a question I received some time ago, there is no Portuguese
version of the COA Inducks search.
Inducks does not contain character names in this language yet, nor for
instance in Greek. But there is a big Brazilian issue index by Arthur Faria
Jr in the database.

However if someone's willing to help me with a language not included, I'll
gladly add its contribution to the search engine. Translating a list of
about 200 words is sufficient.

Much thanks to Eta Beta, Kjell Cron?, Harry Fluks, S?ren K. Olesen, Johannes
Promann, Paolo Castagno, Anders C. Siveb?k & Petri Kanninen et al for the
current translations!

Francois
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