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Daniel Van Eijmeren
GILLES MAURICE, 07-03-2001:

> In Barks' WUS 48, an Indian Without Face has also briefly been a =
> Scrooge Double because of Magica's power...

In "For Old Dime's Sake" (US 43), Magica turns herself into Scrooge.

In "Double Masquerade" (WDC 280) Donald disguises himself as Scrooge.

The end of "Go Slowly Sands of Time" also contains a "Scrooge Double",
this time a duck with the same hobby as Scrooge, but I don't remember
if this counts for both the (Barks) illustrated story version and the
(Barks' plot only) comic book version (D 6856). I'm sure about the
illustrated version.

There's also a Scrooge Double in "King Scrooge the First" (US 71).
I don't remember how it's explained, but I think this Scrooge Double
was one of Scrooge's ancestors.

Best wishes,

--- Daniel

"Those tracks show that the spies lurked outside your window
sixty-three minutes ago!" (Which one?) :-)
Botto Armando
Daniel:
> When did "Boat Buster" appear in
> Italy and when did the first non-Barks Rockerduck appear?
"Boat Buster" appeared in "Almanacco Topolino" #65, May 1962.
The first non-Barks Rockerduck appeared in "Almanacco Topolino" #75, March
1963: the story is "Zio Paperone e il kiwi volante", scripted by the Barosso
brothers and drawn by Giorgio Bordini.

> Was Rockerduck invented to be used in Italy or did Italy decide for
> themselves to use Rockerduck again?
IMHO, the latter seems more likely...

> Why was Rockerduck continued by Italian artists, instead of (for example)
> the more developed Flintheart Glomgold?
> I don't know the details about this, but it made
> me wonder if it's possible that Rockerduck could have been created on
> request of the Italian editor. (But then again, why didn't they use
> Flintheart Glomgold instead? Was Flintheart still unknown/unpublished in
> Italy at that time?)
"The Second-richest Duck" was published in Italy in TL 152 (December 1956),
"The Money Champ" in TL 234 (May 1960).
My guess is that the Barosso brothers needed a rival millionaire for the
"kiwi volante" story, and they used Rockerduck because he appeared in
"Almanacco Topolino" while they were writing the story. After all,
Flintheart had made only two appearances, and the most recent had taken
place a couple of years before already...

Ciao,
Armando
Fluks, H.W.
(Private mail to 'Clueless in Seattle' bounced. So I'm sending this through
DCML. I assume he'll read it here. And other people might find this
interesting too.)

Will wrote to me:

> I just looked at the first panel of the first story in in "Pato
> Donald" #9. Here it is:
>
> S 83158 - MK462 3-PDAL9/1
>
> So, is it the "S" that tells me the country of origin? I
> looked on your chart and it says "S" is the USA?

Correct.

> P.S. What do all the other letters and numbers tell me?

This is typical for Latin America: they add the previous reprint issues to
the code.
So in your example, the story code is "S 83158" (you can look that up in one
of the Inducks Search pages, if you want). It was reprinted before in MK 462
(3rd story) and in PDAL 9 (1st story). I don't know what MK and PDAL mean;
they are probably Mexican, Argentinan or Brazilian comics.

--Harry.
Timo Ronkainen
Hi

A friend of mine needs info about cartoonist Jim Engel. He has done some
Disney parodies, and propably even some real Disney stuff (not comics, I
guess). Anybody?
any info welcome.

Timo

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Olivier
Hello everyone!

>>Daniel:
>>There's also a Scrooge Double in "King Scrooge the First" (US 71).
>>I don't remember how it's explained, but I think this Scrooge Double
>>was one of Scrooge's ancestors.

p 8 , panel 2: "The old duck is indeed the near-reincarnation of
ancient King Scrooge-Shah"!
p 8, panel 3: "And those nephews were long ago *princes* of
the royal dynasty!"

Unlike "Back to Long Ago!", here the ducks are not reincarnations
of previous ducks--
U$ 16, p 2 panel 4: "We believe we *can* actually *levitate* persons
back in *mind* to lives they lived hundred of
years ago!", explains Mesmer J. Spellcaster, HP, DH
p 6 panel 8: "I'm pretty sure that four hundred years ago I *was* Matey
McDuck of the British Navy" (emphasis mine)
p 8 panel 5: "Donald is the reborn *Bos'n Pintail!"

It seems that Barks changed his mind regarding reincarnation-- he may never
have actually believed in it, mind you, but deemed it a good story-starter.
The evolution is quite interesting & smart: the ducks are the "near-reincarnation"
of their ancestors in the sense that they carry their genes.
U$ 71, p 2 panel 4: "If my theory is right, only a full *carrier* of certain ancient
genes can speak that tone!"
panel 5: "And in those genes should be recollections from the sly
brain of that frist carrier of four thousand years ago!"
p 8 panel 1: "In a moment the stimulated memory cells in the ducks' genes
have transported them back in mind many centuries to a
bustling day in old Sagbad..."

Olivier

PS quiz #2:
>>"Those tracks show that the spies lurked outside your window
>>sixty-three minutes ago!"
"Mission to Codfish Cove", WDC&S 114, March 1950, Album 17,
p 6 panel 8.
I *love* those quizes!
Still wondering where the previous one can come from...
François Willot
A complete French Barks bibliography has been published, in "BackUp".
This is the first time such work is printed here!

BackUp can be found in the librairie "Album",
Tel: 01 43 26 19 32
fax: 01 43 26 11 75
60 r Monsieur le Prince
75006 Paris

Francois
Vic Pratt
Hello Folks

Can one of the experts on the list help me out with
this enquiry?

I just picked up an old Disney back issue from the
"Disney Comics" era and inside there are various plugs
for WDC&S number 550, claiming that it was to present
an unpublished Barks story about Donald...did that
happen? Why hadn't the story been published
previously? When was it drawn? Was it any good? Has it
been published anywhere else? Is issue 550 hard to
find? Sorry, too many questions, but if anyone has
the answers I would be fascinated to hear them.
Thanks.

Also: I just discovered the brilliant comics
writer/artist John Stanley, who worked on NANCY and
LITTLE LULU comics. Does anyone know if he scripted
any funny animal comics?

Those deleted Barks panels on EBAY looked great...I
nearly made a bid until I remembered I was broke...is
anyone on the list going after that piece?

Best Duck Wishes

VIC

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Fluks, H.W.
Fran?ois:

> A complete French Barks bibliography has been published, in "BackUp".
>
> BackUp can be found in the librairie "Album"

I assume a "librairie" is a book shop (and not a library), and that "Album"
is its name (and not an album 8-).
Is this the only place in the world where the magazine (or book?) can be
bought?
Can it be ordered directly from the publisher?

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Vic Pratt:

> Can one of the experts on the list help me out with
> this enquiry?

Maybe. 8-)

> WDC&S number 550, was to present
> an unpublished Barks story about Donald...did that
> happen?

Yes. The "Milkman" story. Made in 1957, published for the first time
anywhere, in Holland, in 1974. WDC 550 is its first publication in an
*American* *comic book*.

Normally, you can find Inducks information about the story under the code CS
WDC '57. But at the moment, our 2 Inducks search pages fail: the Swedish one
has a bug and the French one is out-of-service until next Monday...

But a third Inducks page, where all work from Barks is listed
(http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/bolderbast/xxcreators.html)
gives the following info:

CS WDC '57, 10 pages, written+drawn by Barks on 1957-09-19.
USA reprints: Carl Barks Library (b/w) set 10, Barks Library in Color #51,
WDC 550.

> Why hadn't the story been published previously?

The publisher thought it was too violent, and shelved it.
More information on Dani?l van Eijmeren's Barks site:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/s_wdc215-u.htm

> Was it any good?

It's not Barks' best story, but I like it.

> Has it been published anywhere else?

See above. The story has been published outside the USA as well. For
instance in Holland. With the original English text. But the USA comic is
probably the easiest to get.

> Also: I just discovered the brilliant comics
> writer/artist John Stanley, who worked on NANCY and
> LITTLE LULU comics. Does anyone know if he scripted
> any funny animal comics?

We're not sure. We *do* have one Disney comic illustration attributed to him
(from Mickey Mouse Magazine #1), but the credit is not certain.
Gladstone reprinted that page in Mickey Mouse #256, and the same page in WDC
#601.

--Harry.
Inducks (Disney comics database) coordinator
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/bolderbast/
François Willot
Harry wrote:

>Is this the only place in the world where the magazine (or book?) can be
>bought?
>Can it be ordered directly from the publisher?

This is a magazine (not a book), and is around 130 pages.

To order it, send money to:

Association BackUp
107 Bd de Courcelles
75017 Paris
François Willot
I wrote:
>To order it, send money to:
>Association BackUp
>107 Bd de Courcelles
>75017 Paris

That should be:
>106 Bd de Courcelles

(Sorry for the spams...)

Francois
Luca Boschi
Hi, all!
> The first non-Barks Rockerduck appeared in "Almanacco Topolino" #75, March
> 1963: the story is "Zio Paperone e il kiwi volante", scripted by the Barosso
> brothers and drawn by Giorgio Bordini.
>
>> Was Rockerduck invented to be used in Italy or did Italy decide for
>> themselves to use Rockerduck again?
> IMHO, the latter seems more likely...

Surely. Barosso Bros. were used to revive characters used only one time
before, or very seldom. For instance, I can quote the names of Yellow Beak,
Uncle Gudger (and his crew) among the others, and the first Magica DeSpell
non-barksian story (if I well remember).
>
>> Why was Rockerduck continued by Italian artists, instead of (for example)
>> the more developed Flintheart Glomgold?
>> I don't know the details about this, but it made
>> me wonder if it's possible that Rockerduck could have been created on
>> request of the Italian editor. (But then again, why didn't they use
>> Flintheart Glomgold instead? Was Flintheart still unknown/unpublished in
>> Italy at that time?)
> "The Second-richest Duck" was published in Italy in TL 152 (December 1956),
> "The Money Champ" in TL 234 (May 1960).
> My guess is that the Barosso brothers needed a rival millionaire for the
> "kiwi volante" story, and they used Rockerduck because he appeared in
> "Almanacco Topolino" while they were writing the story. After all,
> Flintheart had made only two appearances, and the most recent had taken
> place a couple of years before already...

One more problem is that when Flintheart made his first appearance, his
story he was translated by a different guy than the second did. So, his name
was translated in two different way (Cuordipietra Famedoro and Polidoro
Orifiamma). The same happened for its third (Rupedor was his third italian
name). Maybe the readership, and also Barosso didn't discover the real
personality of this old Scrooge's rival.

Another, more consistent possibility is Mario Gentilini's influence. He
received and amplified USA suggestuions and requests. Knowing (in advance)
that Rockerduck was goin to be used by the Disney Studio Program (not so
Flithearth), he can have driven the italian story men to do the same. The
storuy of the italian comics is full of this suggestions: how to draw
characters (whic model to follow), or the same "suggested" use of LVD in all
the possible ways.

Bye,

L.
Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
"Yoo, hoo! Hoo! Hoo! I'm a cheating teen from Abilene!"
(Which one?) :-)

That would be The Cattle King from US 66 I believe.........

Rodney

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SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 03/09/2001 12:13:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk writes:

<< Also: I just discovered the brilliant comics
writer/artist John Stanley, who worked on NANCY and
LITTLE LULU comics. Does anyone know if he scripted
any funny animal comics? >>

yes, he wrote Woody Woodpecker (and worked on the very early Mickey Mouse
Magazine). Buy the way, he didn't draw Nancy -- like most of his work post
1948, he wrote them ((and provided layouts - like most humor comics writers).

Steven Rowe
SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 03/09/2001 4:36:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
timoro at hotmail.com writes:

<< A friend of mine needs info about cartoonist Jim Engel. He has done some
Disney parodies, and propably even some real Disney stuff (not comics, I
guess). Anybody? >>

Hmm, I talked to Jim via email late last year. So he's still around.
He did indeed do real Disney stuff - the Mickey Mouse comic strip.
What sort of info does your friend need?

Steven Rowe
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