Keskustelujen arkisto

i wouldn;t bother going to see don rosa in oslo -- or anywhere else for that
matter. i specifically went to see him at a show in oakland, california last
year. had he not been announced as being there, i wouldn't have gone. after
travelling 20 miles to get there, standing in line for an hour, paying for
parking, paying $15.00 admission to get in, struggling with the staff to find
out where he was going to sit, he wouldn't sign anything, draw anything,
initial anything, bless anything or discuss anything -- even though he was in
"artist's alley" -- except how he's taken advantage of by disney and ebay.
he was so afraid someone who was posing as a fan might slip through, get his
autograph and then turn around and sell it that he alienated a lot of
longtime fans who had no intention of doing anything other than meeting him,
talking ducks, treasuring the experience and displaying his work in a place
of honor on their wall. i'd be flattered, not frightened, if someone wanted
my autograph. i wish him well, and all of you who are going to the event. i
hope you're not too disappointed when you meet a pinched and crabby man who
thinks his fans are interested in him and his work soley to make a few
dollars by selling it to another fan. it's not so and he knows it.

regards,

morgan

> >>I.b.d.H.d.I.d.s.k.a.I.h.n.m. (this is NOT quiz #4!)
> Well, what *is* it?
> A Junior Woodchuck merit badge (I'm serious)?

Well, I consider it the first commandment of German donaldism: "Ich bin
der Harms dein Index, du sollst keinen anderen Index haben neben mir!"
("I am the Harms your index, you shall have no other index before me!")

Klaus
(who once got excluded from the ZDF TV quiz show "Risiko" for knowing
too much)

I believe the saddest news about Mr. Hanna is that he used to produce such
wonderful works as Tom & Jerry on the movie screen, and still kept me
laughing at Ruff and Reddy and Huckleberry Hound on TV, but he will mostly
be known for such dreck as Scooby Doo and Josie and the Pussycats. Even the
Flintstones had their day early on, but fell into an all too familiar
pattern of "Flintstone babies" and pseudo-rock bands that resurfaced in
every single one of the Hanna-Barbera works of later years. (Did we really
need Scrappy Doo and Pebbles and Bam-Bam?)

I cannot believe that Hanna did not look back at what he was once able to do
and cry. I know I do.

--

Dan Shane
(danshane at bellsouth.net)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paolo Castagno" <p.castagno at libero.it>
To: "DCML" <dcomics at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 8:45 AM
Subject: Sad news.... again!

> Cartoon pioneer William Hanna dead at 90:

Wow. What a list, once again!

By the way, when there's no story code (only "JM 171",
for isntance), could you please sum up the story?

I've already stated my opinion regarding anyone's attempt
to make a tree out of the various (often one-shot) characters
you can find in the many mouse/duck multiverses. Apocryphal
stories? Probably should be considered so as regards such
attempts at making coherence out of incoherence, if only to
make things simpler. But no reason to definitely ban
characters / stories because there are not by the major m&d men!
It has nothing to do with the quality of the stories / art.
And certainly no reason to encourage such attempts.

So here's what I have that may be of some help--
mostly Gottfredson references. As a matter of fact, these should
be included in my site's "Who's Who", with scans, when I can.

1/ Tante Azal?e: Don't know. The English for it is "azalea",
but it's the *original* name, or if it can't be found, the one
you have, that should be used, rather than yet another version.

2/ I've thumbed through my colection of "Mickey Parade",
to introduce you to another relative, but I either missed the
issue or thumbed too fast, and eventullay haven't found it yet.
He's a cousin who's just graduated from a prestigious university;
Scrooge hiers him; he is very ambitious and wants to dig another
Panama Canal.

3/ Do you know "Tante Gra?ieuse" from I-T 230-A1 / 231 A2,
reprinted in MP 50 (1984-- I was 10!) as "Mickey et le Collier Chirikawa"
("Mickey and the Chirikawa necklace)?

4/ >> Minnie's aunt (named Matilde in french), in JM 193
Don't know if it's the same, but I suppose.
In Gottfredson's "Sheriff of Nugget Gulch" (1937 Sunday strip reprinted in
Gladstone's "The Biggest Big Mickey Mouse"), Minnie is staying at her
uncle's , in Nugget Gulch. Actually, Mickey & Goofy only meet Aunt Matilda,
a tall Minnie look-alike with Scrooge specs & a Grandma Duck bun.

5/ Minnie's rich Uncle Mortimer appears in "Mickey Mouse in Death Valley"
(April 1 - Sept 20, 1930)

6/ In the next continuity, "Mr Slicker and the Egg Robbers" (Sept 22 - Dec 26, 1930),
you get to meet Minnie's parents!
First, (Oct 15), Minnie shows Slicker the family album: "Didn't people dress funny in
the old days, Mr Slicker? Here is my grandpa, Marshal Mouse-- and that's Grandmother
Matilda Mouse-- this group down here is Uncle Milton Mouse and his family!"
(This strip was reprinted in a prestige format comic but couldn't find-- must really be
thumbing too fast; I checked the contents tables though; must be somewhere on my
desk, under several layers of other comics...)
October 25: Enter Mr and Mrs Mouse-- and exit the first eggs.

7/ Jump forward to 1941 (I hope I am not forgetting anything): "Love Trouble", which you
probably know since it was reprinted in PM 322 (Nov 98)-- they have the date wrong
in their introduction: it's not 1942; the strip ran April 14 - July 5, 1941 (you can even
see
it in the copyright small print of every first panel. The story co-stars Mickey's "cousin
from the city... Madeline Mouse!"

8/ "The Gleam" (Jan 19- May 2, 1942).
Minnie asks Mickey & Goofy (22) to meet her Uncle Dudley & Aunt Martha Mousegomery
at the station ("Well, Aunt Martha is sort of tall and fat in a qhort, slender way! And
Uncle
Dudley is rich, wears a clean-shaven beard and is much taller than he is short!" Hozzat
for a description?), which they do (23). This is the first strip (in the dailies at least)
where
Minnie's full name is used: Minerva. However, you can't use these characters in your tree.
If you want to know why, there's a spoiler at the very end of this message. I only mention
them in case you found a passing reference to them, so you might know.

9/ "The 'Lectro Box" (Oct 25, 1943 - Feb 5, 1944).
Gag involving a portrait of Minnie's aunt (no name) (Nov 26).
Then one night (Dec 10-11), while Mickey's asleep, the box conjures up one of
his ancestors; Goofy meets him (11):
"I'm Mickey's great-great-great-grandfather... Jonathan Mouse!"
"Gawrsh! A ghost!"
"Not exactly! On a light star billions of miles away, the image of my living self is
just arriving from the Earth... The electrons in that box magnify it and return it here
instantly!"
("The light star is about 180 years behind the earth!" That's 1763)
And Goofy gets to meet "great-great-great-grandpapy Josh"; "He wuz a great Indian fighter!"
Mickey takes Jonathan to the University to meet Professor J.M. Redundant, MS, PhD,
and as they pass security, we get to see Jonathan's birth certificate (Dec 20):
"Commonwealth of Massachusetts
Certificate of Birth
Jonathan Tobias Mouse
Date of birth: Sept 30, 1754
Place of birth: Wyvern's Tavern
City of Worcester
Parents: Nathaniel John Mouse
Patience Pricilla Mouse"

10/ Mickey inherits "The House of Mystery" from his great-uncle, Maximilian Mouse
(Nov 13, 1944 - Jan 27, 1945). Vintage spooky Walsh / Gottfredson. "Great-uncle Max
was the official black ship of the family!" "As a detective, he was diabolically clever",
adds Mr Phinaigle, Attorney-at-Law-- but "some of his clients were a little peculiar..."

11/ Gag-a-day strip, Oct 1, 1945: Mickey asked a genealogists to do some research.
Three ancestors: "Long John Mouse", a pirate (1642)
"Dick 'Stand and Deliver' Mouse" (1742)-- RobinHood costume,

but not a nice character
"'Tex' Mouse, terror of the Southwest" (1869)

12/ Feb 25 - March 2, 1946: Mickey's great-grandfather, Albemarle Mouse, visits him.
I remember a strip in which Mickey meets another ancestor

13/ June 17, 1946: (Minnie) "We're so crowded at my house, Mickey... Could you put up
Aunt Marissa for a few days?" She stays till June 29.

14/ >>Goofy's uncle (Toc, in french) in JM 171
Could there be a confusion? (Wombat is mentioned later in your list, though)
"Uncle Wombat's Tock Tock Time Machine (Oct 22, 1951 - Jan 19, 1952).
"In fact... Uncle Wombat's just about the dumbest member of our family!"
"Dumber than your cousin Washburn?" Indeed, and-- "He's proud of it!"
But he's also an inventor

15/ Li'l Davy: Fran?ois answered this, but here goes...
June 27 - Oct 4, 1955
He just comes out of the blue: during the night Mickey hears someone singing
"Davy-- Davy Crockett! King of the wild frontier!"
He makes his entrance on June 29 and Mickey just invites him in.
I see Jiminy Cricket also appears later on, dressed like Daby and then the two
of them seem to always be together. Davy appears again in later '55 strips.
Can't tell you more: I'm reading the strips (and discovering most of them) in
chronological order and haven't reached this yet-- still in 1952.
I remember seeing him in a "Sp?cial Journal de Mickey G?ant"; will look for it.

A nice week-end to you all!
(SPOILER for 8/ further down)

Olivier

SPOILER (8/)
Minnie does not have an Uncle Dudley nor an Aunt Martha Mousegomery...

With some very quick help from Oliver and a very-long-distance
phone call, I was able to secure a set of the 'special limited' DR
books. Phoning them directly seems to be the only way to aquire
these sets with the drawing.
gary

How could I forget to reply?
Rodney's message just reminded me to do so.

I haven't been lucky enough to meet Mr Don Rosa--
and sure hope I will. But I did get to speak with him.
And he was certainly not "a pinched and crabby man",
even though he was answering a perfect stranger over
the phone that might very well have been a con.

In '97, I did my DEA (that's the degree right before the th?se)
in AmLit on Carl Barks-- brief history of the Disney Studio
and early strips, Barks' career, editorial "constraints", development
of the fandom. I've been a fan since childhood and was glad I could
work in this subject.
In the course of my research (entirely done in France), I got in touch
with Geoffrey Blum, who kindly sent me photocopies of articles, and
told me about fellow duck fans whom I've been in touch with ever since.

And, for a few pages in him (about later artists's tributes to Barks
and censorhip-- the guns in L&T part 3), having found his phone
number on the L&T site, after much hesitation, one afternoon (in France,
so that's "one morning" in the Louisville), I called Keno Don Rosa--
it was very bold (not in the sense of "brave") of me (that's why I hesitated,
it's not the kind of thing I usually do), calling him. (I didn't have any e-mail
at that time)

Mr Don Rosa was *very* kind. He took the time to chat a bit and
answer a few questions I faxed him, and was very nice-- truly, I mean,
not a gosh-another-one or blas?/condescending sort of politeness,
but genuine nice.

I share his opinion regarding speculators and understand his cautiousness
and respect it. Maybe on that day on the day before he had been pestered
by impostors or tricked into signing things he then found for sale-- I have an
interview of him where he tells about such an experience.
It's not blind enthusiasm, just trying to understand.

Final word: would such a man as described in Horizon's message care
about a mailing list and make a point of and spend time answering every
single e-mail / letter he receives (and not with a standard ready-to-send reply,
mind you)?

Olivier

This email contains links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items for
sale at Ebay. ("http://www.ebay.com")

I do not have any connection with the sellers of these items or with Ebay
itself. For me, the main reason for visiting this site is that the items
are often accompanied with information and a picture of the item.

If you know items I must have missed or other websites with rare/original/
unpublished Barks items for sale, then I hope you will post it to this
list as well.

Descriptions are by the sellers, except where noted ("DvE").

1124975915
ORIGINAL CARL BARKS DONALD DUCK DISNEY ART
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1124975915
(An Al Taliafferro daily containing Scrooge, signed by Carl Barks.
The inscription on the frame reads "Inspired by the FATHER of
Scrooge McDuck / Mr. Carl Barks". The certificate contains a
"Walt Disney Art Classics" label. DvE)

1125323299
CARL BARKS ORIGINAL PENCIL SKETCH-DD&HDL
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1125323299
("A 1934 Belchfire Runabout!" DvE)

1125332056
CARL BARKS signed/Orig PENCIL SKETCH-Rtn2PlAw
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1125332056
("Return to Plain Awful" DvE)

Best wishes,

--- Daniel