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Olivier
Reminder of ther quiz quote: >"Hi, Joe! Hi, Dave! Hello, Mike!"

>>Is this "The Thrifty Spendthrift," with the lords a-leaping (and
>>their actual names are Joe Lord, Mike Lord, and/or whatever)?

Nice try, but nope-- red herring!

"The Thrifty Spendthrift" (U$ 47, Feb '64, Album 44),
p 7 panel 7: "I'm Ed Lord!" "I'm Joe Lord!" "I'm Mike Lord!"

Olivier
Olivier
>>So, do I win the barrel of money? Or at least the tricycle?

You're right, Kevin. There ought to be a prize.
Well, now there is!
You can all go collect your prize at

http://members.nbci.com/mouse_ducks/pix/bigbucks.htm

Olivier
; )

PS:
In which story does "splendiferous" apepar?
This is a request, not a quiz-- I can't remember the answer.

PS # 2:
Any other currencies in the duck / mouse stories?
Eta Beta
[Mickey as Super Secret Agent Pumkin-3, or the "human" stories...]

>>>Their are said to be utterly boring, or
>>>at least stupid, because of the incompatible styles of Murry and Spiegle
>>
>>Stupid? Boring? they are great!
>> Nicely done spy stories by Don Christensen and Dan Spiegle.
>> The two lead characthers just happened to be the Mouse and the Goof (drawn
>>by Paul Murry), which changes the whole thing to bizarre dada!
>
>I agree with Steve!

And I agree with both Steve and Luca... "nicely surreal" is the definition
that springs to my mind...

>I wish the stories were reprinted in Italy. One is totally unpublished...

Indeed. So I volunteer (in advance, so as to avoid double-work in case
somebody's doing it already) to scan either the first story, "Assignment
Time-Lock" from Mickey Mouse #107, or the second, "Aircraft Carrier at
2 O'Clock High", MM #108, in exchange for "Mystery at Misty Gorge", the
third one from MM #109... :-)

Cheers

Eta Beta
DGE
Hey again Olivier!

>For one thing, the number of characters makes for diversity & variations:
>Donald as a parental figure, Donald as Scrooge's bumbling employee,
>Scrooge vs Rockerduck, ... Whereas on the other hand you can only have
>Mickey and Goofy / Minnie / the police. New characters have been created,
>but still.

How about Mickey and Horace? Nothing new about that classic pairing,
At Egmont, we're doing this more and more often these days.
And Mickey vs. Montmorency Rodent. This can be incredibly funny,
though it's more frequent in the 1970s comics and the new TV cartoons than
in Egmont's stories (as of yet).

>Then of course, the ducks have flaws, whereas Mickey is conceived as
>the perfect hero.

No matter how many times he's been *shown* as this, he was not
conceived this way. It's just how he tended to be *portrayed* from the
1960s-1980s. An editorial decision to portray Mickey this way has nothing to
do with who Mickey was at the start, or with what he is capable of being.
At all times when he's been genuinely popular, Mickey has had plenty
of flaws, the most obvious one being how he overenthusiastically looks for
"adventure"... thrilling situations that turn out to be more
complex/dangerous than he had figured. Not because he's foolhardy - just
because he's got the instincts of a rambunctious kid, regardless of how
sharp his mind may be.

Thanks, BTW, for your kind words about my stories, at least those
that you've seen. Believe you me, though, if you have heard they're good,
you ought to read a few of my *duds*!
Meanwhile, there are *numerous* talented people who lately are
writing, or have written, genuinely *classic* Mickey stories for Egmont over
the last few years.

Best wishes,
David
Gilles MAURICE
I've had an idea about Oscar Gander!!!
He is a Gander, but he cannot be Gladstone's brother, as he woulod be lucky
and we would have heard about him before... And he is said to be SCROOGE 's
nephew... (We all remember Scrooge telling Gladstone "I'm not your uncle")
If he doesn't consider Gladstone as his nephew sometimes, why should he
consider Oscar as his nephew?
In his early Duck Family Tree, Barks had evoked a date between Matilda, his
sister and Goosetave Gander, Gladstone's Father...
So maybe Oscar is Matilda and Goosetave's father...
after having had Oscar, Matilda would have married Ludwig, and Goosetave
would have married Daphne and had Gladstone and Shamrock's father...

Gilles
Kristian PEDERSEN
> > 8. Re: About boring Mickey (SRoweCanoe at aol.com)
> >Stupid? Boring? they are great!
> > Nicely done spy stories by Don Christensen and Dan Spiegle.
> > The two lead characthers just happened to be the Mouse and the Goof
> >(drawn
> >by Paul Murry), which changes the whole thing to bizarre dada!
>
And Timo Ronkainen replied:
> Hmm. Now I even more would like to see those stories! Why they were
> omitted
> in scandinavia BTW?
>
-- At least one of them was in fact published in the Danish weekly -
according to INDUCKS in issues 46-48 in 1967. I remember being downright
puzzled by the look of that story!

Kristian
Lunnan & Hjort
A report from Oslo:

In connection with Barks' 100 year anniversary (March 27) Egmont
these days publish a "The Best of Barks" type de Lux book. I assume
it is being simultaneously issued in Norway, Sweden, Denmark,
and possibly in (some, but not all) other Egmont countries as well.
It is big, it is exquisitely done, has a preface by professor ?ystein
S?rensen, and is expensive (NOK 498, about 55 USD).

This morning Egmont (through hired PR-group forces, alias "inferno")
organised a rather spectacular press conference, to mark and celebrate
the life work of Barks, and of course to promote the new book and
to remind people of the ever ongoing weekly editions, which these
weeks provide selected Barks stories and new Rosa stories.
Two weeks from now they are e.g. issuing a nice "double volume"
with Barks' Pygmy indians (US #18) back-to-back and upside-down(!)
with Rosa's followup story. Some further weeks down the road there
is a Rosa story about the Beagle Boys, involving a finely worked out
"blueprint" of the architecture & layout of the money bin (and the
psoter-like cover to this story is wonderfully made). And this week
Egmont is re-issuing the Pirate Gold 1942 story, & cetera & cetera.

The press conference very appopriately took place in the History
Museum in Oslo. The surroundings were actively and rather creatively
used to remind us of the broad importance of the Duck stories by Barks.
A panel consisting of Svein Erik S?land (Egmont chief), Don Rosa
(qua himself, and qua Disney comics artist working in the Barks domain),
?ystein S?rensen (professor of history & recognised comics scholar),
and Per Ditlev-Simonsen (mayor of Oslo, and whose name was misspelt
in the expensive-looking handouts). I will not here tell you about
the "national commune mayor Donald knowledge competition" involving
the 442 (?) mayors of the different communes in Norway, nor list the
100 quiz questions they have to answer & get rates for more or less
publicly;
if you are Norwegian you may hear about it in a local newspaper close
to you. But S?rensen gave a lecture on Barks and his enormous
influence, and Rosa followed up in fluent American, focussing more on
Barks' opus and influence than on his own efforts.

Don Rosa's Second Reason (or perhaps First Reason) to be in Oslo
this week was also pointed to at the press conference, namely the
World Launch of the Captain Kentucky and Pertwillaby Papers
harcover books, published this week by Gazette Bok, Oslo, Norway.
There was a long list of interviewers crowding themselves around
Don after the main event. He has been interviewed today by
several major newspapers, the National Press Agency NTB, and
was on the Metropol TV five minutes ago. Tomorrow morning
we've got to find our way to TV2 and later on to the mayor's office
in the town hall. The book signing event takes place at "Tronsmo
Books and Comics" Saturday 12-16. They have not yet finalised,
polished and anglofied the ingredients at
www.gazette.no/donrosa/index.htm ,
but you get the idea. One can order the books from Timbuktu to
Herringtail via this link -- at least after Saturday. Again, Don R would
be happy to meet "list people" on Saturday. People not able to
attend can contact the Tronsmo shop for reserving signed copies.

After the press conference we were all served "Donald-brus",
complete with a "Barks 100" label, and Donald cake.

Nils Lid Hjort
Lunnan & Hjort
Another relevant comment re The Don Rosa Archives I & II,
respectively
. The Pertwillaby Papers
. Captain Kentucky
The major role in these two books is reserved the same person,
namely Lancelot Pertwillaby (who also has a certain likeness
to his creator), but obviously in very different roles, almost
in different literary universes. It is therefore a rather spectacular
event that these two _meet each other_, in one single dramatic
scene, in a drawing never before shown to the world.
CK and LP are at opposite sides of an obviously too old
and primitive bridge stretching across a dangerous crevass
in (an alternate section of) the Andes. Between and besides them
is a mixture of characters from the two books.

So, how can you see this poster-like scene? The only possibility
is to acquire a "special limited edition" version of the PP & CK
books, again via the Gazette-to-Tronsmo link I gave some minutes
ago. This limited edition is not the tripling-price elephant-skin
Picasso-signed type version, as such things go, but a more basic,
pedestrian, not-horribly-priced limited edition with a "diploma",
essentially consisting of the mini-poster I described above, supplied
with a relevant text, given a number (only 150 copies are made),
and signed by Don Rosa. More information about this: to come
quite soon, also to the Gazette-to-Tronsmo website
www.gazette.no/donrosa/index.htm .

Nils Lid Hjort

who (a) hopes this finds its way to the DCML even when mailed
from his home address and who (b) makes his apologies for the
sales-pitchy comments he makes on this particular occasion.
His excuses are that (c) he and his editorial helpers don't earn a
crown or Duckburg Dollar from their efforts and that he (d)
often enough attempts to contribute pure non-sales-related
genuine-interest-only comments and messages to the DCML.
Merlin Haas
At 12:03 PM +0100 3/21/01, Timo Ronkainen wrote:

>
>> 8. Re: About boring Mickey (SRoweCanoe at aol.com)
>>Stupid? Boring? they are great!
>> Nicely done spy stories by Don Christensen and Dan Spiegle.
>> The two lead characthers just happened to be the Mouse and the Goof
>>(drawn
>>by Paul Murry), which changes the whole thing to bizarre dada!
>
>Hmm. Now I even more would like to see those stories! Why they were omitted
>in scandinavia BTW? Almost all other MM serials from WDC&S were printed even
>in here Finland.
>Maybe there might be some camp-values in them...??

The Mickey Mouse Super Secret Agent stories were not serials.
They were originally published in the Gold Key Mickey Mouse comic
numbers 107 to 109 (all 1966). There are only three stories:

107 - Assignment Time-Lock (24 pg)
108 - Aircraft Carrier at 2 O'Clock High (24 pg)
109 - The Mystery at Misty Gorge (24 pg)

The backup stories in the books were regular style Junior
Woodchucks four pagers.
Sample page scans of the story in 107 can be seen at:

http://www.elpaso.net/~mvhaas/MMSSA_107s1.jpg

http://www.elpaso.net/~mvhaas/MMSSA_107s2.jpg

A hopelessly flawed experiment, but definitely not boring.

best -- Merlin Haas
Marco Barlotti
I have updated the index of Italian Disney stories and their reprints in
Italy.
Check

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex

Also, my Barks index is now updated to March 19th. It is supposed to carry
every Italian reprint of Barks' stories! Check

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/BarksIndex

Marco
Marco Barlotti
At 12:25:29 21/03/01 +0100, DGE at ECN.egmont.com wrote:
>
>
>>"Hi, Joe! Hi, Dave! Hello, Mike!"
>
> Is this "The Thrifty Spendthrift," with the lords a-leaping (and
>their actual names are Joe Lord, Mike Lord, and/or whatever)?
>

I know this one! I know this one! ;-)

It's W WDC 271-01 (published April 1963) Donald Duck "A Stone's Throw from
Ghost Town", a ten-pager.

I remember this one very well, because I was puzzled as a young child that
the seller called the spring a "spring".... (figure this in the Italian
translatino!!!)

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
Olivier
Marco Barlotti:
>>It's W WDC 271-01 (published April 1963) Donald Duck
>>"A Stone's Throw from Ghost Town", a ten-pager.

Right, Marco!

Donald buys from B Swinely, a real estate crook,
a "delightful two-acre [farm with] rolling hills, fine soil,
and a lovely spring!"-- without seeing the estate.

The scam is based on several puns. Donald wants to sue
Swinely, but there's nothing illegal.
Swinely calmly greets the lawyer, the judge and the officer,
whom he (obviously) knows: "Hi, Joe! Hi, Dave! Hi, Mike!"
Donald then tries to sell his estate to someone else, and
the story repeats itself.

Don't forget to claim your wondrous prize at
http://members.nbci.com/mouse_ducks/pix/bigbucks.htm !

Olivier

Quote quiz # 3:

Remember "file 90L-6F" ?
Fluks, H.W.
> From: Marco Barlotti [mailto:marcobar at ds.unifi.it]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:39 PM

> It's W WDC 271-01 (published April 1963) Donald Duck "A
> Stone's Throw from Ghost Town", a ten-pager.

That's what I (secretly) guessed too. 8-)

> I remember this one very well, because I was puzzled as a
> young child that
> the seller called the spring a "spring".... (figure this in
> the Italian translation!!!)

In the Dutch translation, they changed the artwork! The spring became a
bottle of water (Spa)...

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
[SPOILER]

> Remember "file 90L-6F" ?

90 feet from left wall, 6 feet above the floor?

(I can only try to reconstruct the original English from the Dutch
translation...)

--Harry.
Olivier
Thanks for the scans.
I finally get to see some of these much discussed stories.
Two things strikes me: the humans & the style.

1/ Are there other instances of Mickey meeting human-faced
characters? (I know the Barks stories with humans)

2/ I don't know Don Christensen & Dan Spiegle, so I didn't
know what it would be like. It turns out that these humans are
truly human-looking, not caricatures.
(The officer on MMSSA_107s1.jpg strongly reminds me of
Edgar Pierre Jacobs' Captain Blake, and whoever-ie-is in the first
panel of MMSSA_107s2.jpg might be a younger Pradier (same
reference: Blake and Mortimer)
So it's really Mickey & Goofy as guest of another strip.

Intriguing experiment...

Olivier
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