Keskustelujen arkisto

> From: Vic Pratt [mailto:thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:14 PM

> Donald trimming a garden hedge with a pair of
> garden shears.

I think this is Barks. The cover of WDC 168.
Check Eta Beta's cover website:
http://eega.net/covers/pag_us/wdc_150.html if you want to know for sure.

(Or get the cover scan directly:
http://eega.net/covers/usa/w_wdc/w_wdc_168_00.jpg)

--Harry.

DON ROSA SAYS:

> By the way, can anyone explain here on the ML how those members can post
> messages in some other fashion than in the "MIME format", or otherwise
> avoid having their messages followed by sections of computer-gibberish
that
> are 2 or 3 times longer than the message itself? I'd do so, but I'm too
> ignorant to know how to explain it to anyone.
>
>

AND I REPLY:

It's up to each user to set his mail program to post in plain text format,
as you have yours. Any email software can do this, but most default to rich
text, and the users never bother or don't know how to change it.

The procedure to set the email program to plain text is different for each
version of the software, so there can be no generic instruction on how to do
this. My suggestion is to simply ask the individual to post to the list in
plain text whenever he errs (as I have done more than once).

I've avoided controversy lately by setting mine to automatically reply to
mail in the same format. Since this list appears to me in plain text, any
replies will look the same.

Dan

ELON + LARS:

> > Fethry debuted in 1964, so he's actually *pre*-hippie. Although I *did*
> > have Magica refer to him as a "hippie left-over" in one story.

> I thought he was a beatnik.

Nah, the beatniks started out earlier with a particular interest in
poetry, litteratur etc. They didn't have long hair either AFAIK :-)

Søren

Lars Jensen wrote:

> And I see you call Mickey Mouse "the most clever detective of Duckburg". He'
> s not. While he *should* be pretty good at investigating stuff due to his
> natural curiosity, the characterization of him as a detective only brings
> back memories of the boring, bland and smug Mickey of the 60s and 70s. The "
> detective persona" is what for decades made millions of children dislike
> Mickey. At least, that's how it seems to me.

Personally, I think that casting Mickey as a detective was the only thing
that KEPT him from being a completely "boring, bland, and smug" character.
As the Disney Studio converted Mickey into a corporate icon, the comics
continued to portray him as a resourceful adventurer/detective, and did so
almost to the bitter end of Gold Key/Whitman comics.

Chris Barat

Thanks for the explanation, Kriton.
And thanks also for translating the "Komix" articles.

Ola Martinsson wrote:

>I'm sorry but I must strongly disagree with you. The Paul Murry three
>part stories with Mickey and Goofy in far off countries and foiling the
>plans of Black Pete, Emil Eagle and others were the best stories in the
>Swedish Kalle Anka & c:o weekly when I was 6 to 12 years old, 1967 to
>1973 roughly.

You're right. Some of those three-part adventures *were* exciting. But when you look back on them, you often see that the only real *humor* comes from Goofy doing silly stuff. Mickey himself, as a personality, tended to be *boring* in those stories, something that would carry into other, shorter Mouse material. Whenever somebody tried to do a one-part non-exotic detective story, it often turned out unmemorable. And whenever somebody tried to do a "gag" story with the Mouse, it would crash and burn! Yes, I'm aware there's a nostalgic feeling in some quarters over these stories from simpler times - but then some people think the '50s - as an era, not just as a source of comic stories - were themselves really great!

As much as I enjoy several of the Paul Murry-drawn Mickey stories, overall they give a hollow, one-dimensional, middle class WASPish 1950s-like view of Mickey *himself* that might have been acceptable thirty years ago - but shouldn't be today! (And I don't blame Murry for this. He has been known to say that he didn't like Mickey's personality at that time, either.) Mickey comes off as boring and bland - a characterization that was carried into other producers' stories. Why do so many people tell me they *always* skip the Mickey stories? Because those stories were *boring* for years! I've heard that writers and editors used to *dread* having to write or edit yet another 5-page story where detective Mickey and his clumsy sidekick Goofy would solve the mystery of who stole some rich woman's pearls.

Fortunately, some years back Egmont decided to infuse Mickey with most of his original personality again. As a result the Mickey Mouse stories Egmont produces these days are some of the best ever made, at least in my mind.

>I must say
>that I think it's a shame that the sequels nowadays are so short and the
>plot is not at all as complicated as in the long old ones.

I agree. But it's a matter of space. There's only so much plot one can get into 16 pages.

Lars Jensen

LARS + CHRIS:

> Maybe you've confused the setting and structure of these stories
> with the characterization. Sure, there is great *atmosphere* in some
> stories, but take a good look at the Mickey Mouse of that period. He
> *is*, to quote myself, "boring, bland, and smug" when acting like he
> always has the answers (which he usually does). And Disney's
> conversion of Mickey into a "corporate icon", as you write, was only
> helped by that approach.

With all respect I think that what really made Mickey "boring..." was
that Tello "took over" the way of story telling that previously was
carried out by Murry--at least in Europe.

This happened from the late 70s continuing through the 80s. It was like
Egmont tried to homogenise (very "popular" in Europe these days)
everything and only recently it seems they've given up that strategy.

In most Tello-drawn stories, Goofy was reduced to some kind of
anonymous helper of Mickey's. Not that he *was* any help, he would only
add a few comments sporadically, following his master like Terry
following Tintin in the later stories. The original crazyness/wild ideas
of Goofy was utterly killed in those stories. Of course this was not
the Tello Studio's fault only, perhaps they just got the wrong scripts,
who can tell...?!

Anyway, things have losen up significantly with great stories by
Petrucha, art by Ferioli etc. Even Horace seems to have found a solid
place behind the Egmont portals, and I certainly hope this "pattern"
continues. However, if anyone is interested in the real Goofyness, they
better read the Italian stories... (dare I say this goes for the duck
stories as well, hmmm...)

Søren

Some details have been added to my [Duck] Family Tree and My
[Mouse/Goofey/Cow/HorseCollar] Family Tree, and I've just finished my [Pete]
Family Tree...Mail-me at goofy313g at infonie.fr, if you want to take a
look!...

Just a Question: Who have created Scrooge and Rockerduck's aunt Eider, and
who's her creator?...