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Ari Seppi
Olaf:

[I'm not any kind of expert on these matters, but I'll try to answer your
question.]

>As you may recall, I have a Duckburg homepage in Norwegian. Now, I wonder
>what I have to do so that I can HAVE the page there without breaking the law.

There is a concept of fair use. So basically you have right to use Disney
pictures on your home page. The problem is that - especially with pictures
- the line between fair and unfair use is fickle.

To give some definitive examples a gallery of Disney pictures is probably
never fair use, but a 10-paged review of a comic book with one panel to
illustrate the article always is (and no, the review doesn't have to be 10
pages long and there can be more illustrative panels, I just wanted to give
an absolute example).

So the one thing you can do is creating enough of your own contents on
every page with pictures. (And, of course, take care that all of the
pictures on the site are connected to the text on the page they are on.)

>If someone connected to WDC - or the police - finds this page, will they
>force me into removing it? What can I do to make the site legal?

I believe the police (or even WDC) isn't that interested in the fan sites.
If WDC sometimes gets interested to clean the Internet they probably first
attack sites about movies, and still aren't so interested in comics. After
all, comics are only read by some strange backward tribes across the ocean.

--
Ari Seppi (mani at iki.fi)
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Olivier
Kriton:
>> Regarding the names Picsou/Gripsou, the English term "penny pincher",
>> meaning "miser" somehow seems relevant.

Good cal.

>> Magica is known as Miss Tick, from "mystique" (mystical).
>> Now *why* had I never thought of this? Now that you've pointed it out,
>> it seems so obvious!

Er-- right. Pretty useless remark, I got carried away-- but it *could* have been a false friend...

Olivier
Timo Ronkainen
Have anyone counted in how many jobs Donald have had through the years?
At least in Barks' stories?

Timo

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Thierry Fernand
As I said, Forez.com has stopped its free services. Livia is now hosted on:

http://www.mjensen.f2s.com/dcl/livia.php

All messages posted on the board in 2001 are lost :-(

The site will now be co-maintained with M. J. who also has many Disney comics to share.

New story: Rosa's "Recalled Wreck" is online!

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Stefan Diös
Timo Ronkainen:

>Have anyone counted in how many jobs Donald have had through the years?
>At least in Barks' stories?

I'm sure I'm not the only one, but yes: I did just that in 1996, by request
of a Swedish newspaper. To save time and space, I chose to search only
through the WDC 10-pagers by Barks, thus ignoring any jobs Donald might
have had in other equally respected stories. From this limited sample I
counted eleven different jobs he had working for Uncle Scrooge, and 53
others where he was hired by somebody else or in business for himself. This
included trades, not occasions; thus I tried not to double-count identical
or similar job descriptions. Also, I didn't want to include obvious hobbies
like treasure-hunting or such. My goal was not to make as long a list as
possible.

Now, somebody else might make a similar list from the same criteria and
come up with a different number of jobs. But this is what I've got. Oh, and
my list happens to be in Swedish. I'm sorry, but I don't particularly care
to re-translate it into English right now...

Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Dan Shane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Olaf Solstrand" <harryklein at hotmail.com>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:48 PM
Subject: Disney stuff on the web
OLAF SOLSTRAND WROTE:

> As you may recall, I have a Duckburg homepage in Norwegian. Now, I wonder
> what I have to do so that I can HAVE the page there without breaking the
> law.
>
> Facts about the site:
> - I have TONS of pictures of Disney characters on it
> - ALL the pages are marked "All pictures and images of Disney characters
on
> these pages are copyright ? The Walt Disney Company." However, I have NOT
> been in contact with the Walt Disney Company or anyone else.
> - I do not, in ANY way, earn money on the site. (that includes *no*
> banners.)

AND I REPLY:

Well, the Scrooge McDuck Page has been in existence (and practically
unchanged, I'm afraid) since summer of 1996. No nasty cease-and-desist
letters from Mouse lawyers yet. I simply placed a disclaimer on the home
page that all images and characters belong to Disney, as you state in yours,
and that the purpose of the site is to encourage readership of Disney
comics. Fair use laws are interpreted quite loosely on the Internet, and
about the only time I have ever seen sites go down by request or force is
because of outright plagiarism or defamation, neither of which apply to your
pages.

Your efforts fall into the same category as mine, so don't lose sleep over
it. If your site ever should attract the attention of Disney Company, I
would treat it as a compliment and great honor! So far, that hasn't
happened to me.

Dan Shane
(danshane at bellsouth.net)
http://personal.sdf.bellsouth.net/sdf/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm
Fluks, H.W.
Don "wrote" (through Kriton), in Komix:

> And so, when an immigrant would
> say that he came from "Deut[s]chland", we dumb Americans thought he
> meant the country where Dutchmen live, i.e., Holland!

The opposite happened to me when I was in Washington. A waiter asked our
nationality. When we said "Dutch", he thought we meant "Deutsch", so he
assumed we were German...

(Blame the English for these confusing terms...)

> Another thing that I could never understand is why the hero is
> named Blueberry. Is it supposed to be a funny nick-name in
> the original?
>
> KOMIX: American names sound so exotic in the ears of Europeans,
> you know...
>
> ROSA: Ha!
>
> KOMIX: Anyway, this is not a nickname, even though there is world-play
> involving his name, which in Greek means "myrtilo", a kind of berry.
>
> ROSA: To American ears, at least, this name is too girlish for a
> cowboy. It would be more appropriate for his girlfriend...

I think "Blueberry" was just chosen because it sounds American. (Note that
his name was Blueberry in the French original, and also in [at least] the
Dutch translation.)

Some years after the start of the Blueberry series, they made an "origin"
story of the character. Blueberry fleed from the American South, because of
problems involving slavery. When joining the Northern army, he took himself
the name Blueberry, because he happened to see a blueberry bush when he was
asked for his name.

This "origin" story is, by coincidence, the only Blueberry story that I have
ever read.

--Harry.
Becca Ridout
>> KOMIX: American names sound so exotic in the ears of Europeans,
>> you know...

>I think "Blueberry" was just chosen because it sounds American. (Note that
>his name was Blueberry in the French original, and also in [at least] the >Dutch translation.)

 
Hehe....this is quite common. I once read a detective novel where the main character's name was "Monsieur Pamplemousse" and his dog was "pomme frites". Sounds pretty cool to the average American....but quite dumb to anyone who knows French.
 
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Dim I Nticoudis
Don Rosa and a few other modern creators oftenly use references to
Scrooge's older adventures.But they seem to forget about the life Donald had
before meeting Scrooge on 1947.He was quite an experienced adventurer
judging only from "Donald Duck finfs Pirate Gold" which is only the
begining.If you remember in this story he turns from an innkeeper and a
fisherman to treasure-hunter.For a beginner he does a fine job.This
experience is usualy unmentioned in all newer stories along with the money
he earned in this stories.
Donald is certainly not as great a character as Scrooge but there is no
reason to turn him into the shallow man he is in stories like "Guardians of
the Lost Library".I would like to see him wanting to have some adventure.He
usualy seems forced by Scrooge.Where is his own adventuring spirit?He also
seems to luck ambition.Barks did a great job turning this lazy Duck into an
interesting and complicated character.But just as Scrooge's unwilling
employee he seems to be missing something.Does anybody agree?

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Thierry Fernand
http://www.geocities.com/luciengenin/don.html

This page includes a new original drawing by Al Taliefrro that was sent to me by Robert Greenhood.

You might be interested in seeing this rare strip.

Note:
The Barks' Memoriam page (with many of the obituaries
sent after his death) has a new URL which is:
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/div/barks.html

I'm sorry for all these changes but hope that the freinds that were linking to this page will find the time to
update their links.

Favio

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Timo Ronkainen
>You might be interested in seeing this rare strip.

Very interesting, especially to see it scanned this well. I can see that
shadingfilm (transparent thing with black dots) that Taliaferro pasted onto
original has mostly dropped off. He has marked those areas where to add that
with pencil.. odd. Possibly he had assistant to whom he had to indicate
these areas?
Is this third DD daily strip ever done..?

Timo

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Armando Botto
Dim wrote:
> The first story with this version of Daisy in the Inducks is "Paperinika e
il filo di Arriana"(I TL 906-C).If this story presents her origin could
anyone explain it to me.How is she related to Paperinik and his own origin?

Spoiler alert!

In that story, Scrooge summons Donald to the Bin, because he needs him for
"an important matter". Daisy goes with Donald, and Scrooge starts insulting
her (and women in general): "We must discuss *serious* things! Between
*men*! Women chatter too much! They've got a chicken's brain! They're
inferior beings!"

[Don't be surprised... the story came out in 1973, during the worst period
for Italian scripts. And Guido Martina - who had never been an example of
Politically Correct ;-) - had been declining for a long time already...]

Back to the point: Daisy seeks revenge, and asks the help of Miss Genialina
Edy Son, President of the Women's Rights Association, who has the hobby of
inventions (she's been a pupil of Gyro). Genialina provides Daisy with a few
Paperinik-like gadgets, and Paperinika is born.

Ciao,
Armando
Charlie Meaney
I'm looking for a bumble bee or honey bee from a
Donald Duck carton in which Donald is a bee keeper.

I need this for a tattoo.I have had no luck in
finding this at all.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Dim I Nticoudis
The bee that someone mentioned earlier should be Spike the Bee,a minor
Disney character that appeared in 8 cartoons and only a few comic books.The
cartoons are:
1)Window Cleaners-September 20,1940.
2)Inferior Decorator-August 27,1948.
3)Bubble Bee-June 24,1949.
4)Honey Harvester-August 5,1949.
5)Slide Donald,Slide-Novenmber 25,1949.
6)Bee at the Beach-October 13,1950.
7)Bee on Guard-December 14,1951.In this one Donald is a bee keeper so it can
be the one already mentioned.
8)Let's Stick Together-April 25,1952.Donald Duck and Spike Bee as old men.
I don't know where you can find pictures but maynbe you can surch for the
eight cartoons.

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O Bordier
Hi everyone!

Dim:
>> Donald is certainly not as great a character as Scrooge but there is no
>> reason to turn him into the shallow man he is in stories like "Guardians of
>> the Lost Library".

Agreed. I like Don Rosa's funny depiction of him (the whole TV-watching throughout the "Lost Library" adventure is hilarious-- "flip and bursts into flames", he he :)) ; or "Incident at McDuck Tower": plain slapstick), but I don't quite like his nearly always being treated like that.

Nearly. He's not always such an insignifcant no-good foil in Don Rosa's stories. Even if it's the nephews who do all the job, he does go after the crooks and searches for the precious artefacts in "The Lost Charts of Columbus". And he is quite heroic in "Return to Xanadu".

As far as the character is concerned, my favorite Donald stories by Don Rosa are "Super Snooper Strikes Again" (that's the correct title, right? I only have it in French :( ) and expecially "The Duck That Never Was". The former has Don Rosa's scientific hallmark and this nice ending, and the latter is a great "what if". Both show that, flawed and clumsy as he is, Donald is important-- even vital to the balance of the Ducks' universe.

Olivier
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