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> 3)Flintheard Glomgold.If he didn't want his fortune to be inherited by the
> Southafrican govermwent he probably left it to the still living Scrooge or
> Scrooge's heir.

Not very likely! Glomgold would rather leave his fortune to be wasted
by the government on such things as welfare and public works than give
a single cent to Scrooge. However, if he didn't have any relatives
(which is something that we do not know), the most likely scenario is
that he would set up an estate whose sole purpose would be to increase
his fortune to the point where it would become larger than Scrooge's.

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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"How can anyone rewrite history when no one can even read it properly?"
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Flintheart Glomgold.The only mentions of a relative of Glomgold are in the
stories:1)"The Money Champ"(W US 27-01) by Carl Barks,Flintheart mentions he
betrayed his mother's dreams and 2)"All That Glitters is Not Gold"(KT 2190)
in which there is a scene in which Flintheart's mother calls him and he
refuses to answer her.But the later is a Ducktales storie.Has his mother
ever actualy appeared or named?Wiliam Van Horn placed him in the family tree
of the Ducks so I guess he could be a distant relative.
As for Flintheart himself,I consider him s lonely version of
Scrooge.Scrooge is the head of a large family.A circle of activity of alies
and opponents is always surrounding Scrooge.His Money Bin is the symbol of
an always expanding megalopolis.In contrast Flintheart has no close
relatives,his only associations are Scrooge,Scrooge's familie and Scrooge's
enemies and his Money Bin is in a deserted valley "in the heart of Africa"
with nobody around for a looong way.Barks made a fine job when he exibited
how much alike and how much different are the two of them.
But he has Scrooge's love for money and Scrooge said in some stories that
he would even leave his fortune to John D.Rockerduck if that was the way for
it to be preserved and expanded.I do not think Flintheart can be that much
different.
Scrooge McDuck was always my favorite Disney character but Flintheart has
much of his appeal.Has Don Rosa revieled anything else for Flintheart's past
besides what is mentioned in his scetches for "The Life and Times of Scrooge
McDuck"?

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> From: "Dim I Nticoudis" <dimadick at hotmail.com>

Well, rather than reproduce Dim's plethora of questions, I'll just say I
can't help him answer them, and I daresay no one can. He seems to be trying
to make a continuity between everything that Disney or Barks or I or anyone
else has ever written about these characters. I would suggest that this is
impossible and perhaps pointless, except to do just for personal amusement.
I ignore everything that Disney ever "said" about Donald in any animated
cartoon, and virtually everything said about him in comics other than by
Barks... and limiting myself only to that realm, I still have difficulty in
getting it all to work out well. Dim also seems to be asking for complex
explanations for the reasons why of this and that, or the circumstances
leading up to now or then, all of these matters being things that were
never explained in any comic book. I suggest that Dim simply create his own
reasons and explanations and histories for these matters, and his results
will be as valid as anyone's.
Dim also claims (I believe it was him) that he likes the "continuity" I
have brought to Disney comics. This comment often puzzles me and I wonder
if some people see more than there is to see. There are only two things
that I do differently than anyone else as regards so-called "continuity". I
actually make NO attempt to make all of my stories taking place in the
"current" timeline to remain part of any sort of "continuity". I might
destroy the Money Bin totally in one story, but in the next, if it suits my
purposes, I will have $crooge claim that the Bin has stood unassailed for
50+ years. I might have Donald as the world's greatest something-or-other
master (a la Barks) in one story, then have him the same unemployable
no-talent as before in the next story. I will also gleefully disregard my
own Money Bin blueprints if it makes storytelling simpler, and I'm doing so
in the story I'm working on now. After each story I tell, time will seem to
rewind itself back to the starting point.
The two ways my stories differ: one -- my characters will be aware of
events that have happened in *other* stories. They will make references to
what adventures they've had in the past, both in Barks stories, and,
naturally and logically, in my own past stories. This is simply a way to
show respect for those past stories, and often to also lend extra
motivation or importance to the new plotline.
The second way -- I *do* use a definite continuity time-line, but ONLY as
regards the PAST. What Barks stated as $crooge having done in the past is
inviolate in my stories. I place "Barksian facts" of $crooge's life into a
set timeline but nothing else. I don't see any other way to handle history
if I'm going to tell stories that are based in history. The history of the
world is a set continuity, so the history of the Ducks and Duckburg must be
treated in the same way. In MY stories, that is... this has nothing to do
with how other writers like to write their stories, and to try to mesh the
two styles together would be rather frustrating, perhaps annoying to other
writers, and should be attempted only for the personal amusement of the
"attempter". I'm often bewildered by the few people who worry about how my
"Lo$" introduced a "continuity" when all I did was elaborate on a
continuity that already existed... it's simply that other writers have
always ignored it or contradicted it, whereas I choose to utilize,
reinforce and honor it. But it was already there... I did not create it.
I also read something written by Arne Voigtmann in the previous Digest, and
want to call Dim's attention to it as it might help him understand my view
of this "Universe". The history that I consider to be inviolate is all
things that happened in Duckburg or to $crooge up until about 1949. After
that time, all of my stories are taking place in a swirl of the 1950's...
I'm not sure which year which story takes place... I may not tell all of my
stories in chronological order, maybe, maybe not. And to make my version of
the Universe work out perfectly, I don't regard any story that Barks told
after this point to be taking place in the years they were published.
That's how I can have Magica DeSpell and Flintheart all involved in a 1952
adventure, even though their first appearances took place years after that
date. That's how the Nephews never grow older.
Some readers prefer to use the explanation that this "Disney Universe" is
all "magical" and that people never grow old and kids never grow up and
Duckburg continues into the 21st Century, neverchanging, covered in pixie
dust. This is okay for them, but not for me. That sort of idea would
diminish my enjoyment by making it all too "fairy tale" silly for me and my
overly-serious viewpoint. It seems so much simpler to say that I tell
stories set in the past. That explains everything in very few words and
does not involve any sort of fairy magic. But, again, that only applies to
*my* own stories.
So, Dim, if you can figure out answers to all your questions, let us know.
It will be interesting reading.

In the story I2071, "The secret of the 313", published in Mickey parade 196,
Daisy is shown to be donna.
There is a flashback when it is asked to donnald when he had got his car, and
he talks about the film "Don Donald "(Daisy and me shot a film years ago....)
He tells that, as daisy didn't want to see this stupid donkey anymore, he
bought a car... In the cartoon Don Donald, we can see this car, but it
doesn't have the any number.

About Barks' continuity, I remember I Noticed that, in the story with the
very little e.t., whose title I don't remember, scrooge uses the peace pipe
he had got from the Peeweegahs. (uuh.. or is it another one???)
what d'ya think about this?

Gilles MAURICE

While doing the chronology of Barks and Rosa's storyes I am trying to build
since last year, I noticed that chrismas on bear mountain couldn't be the
first story after Donald has his nephews home...
For instance, "the forbidden valley" has to happen before Donald and the
nephews know Scrooge. If not, they would have talked him about this adventure
;Dinosaurs are not just a detail... it is a striking event (at least, in a
human being's life, so I guess it is in a Duck's life... but it is still to
discuss ;-))
And we see the idea of alive dinosaurs is all new for scrooge in "escape from
forbidden valley"...
I have tons of exemples like this, but today, I was back from the holydays,
and I have a math and a biology exams, tomorrow...

have a nice week
Gilles

Don said I should have my own ideas.Of course I have them but concerning the
Disney characters I usualy use important stories made by well-known creators
or stories than fitt well with the previous continiuties.I keep notes on the
characters origins and some features of them.Even lesser characters like
Fethry Duck have some more interesting stories than the ones they usualy
appear in.
Since I was a five-year old,when I started reading I was fascinated by two
thinks:history books and Barks stories featuring monthly in Komix.This
explains probably why I still love history,Disney stories and creative
literature.I enjoy a sense of continiuty in about everything I read.And my
liking for literature is the reason I try to find some explanations behind
the lines and the thought panels.For example I did like the explanation of
Scrooge recognizing Donald disguised as Jake McDuck in "Christmas in
Sacktown".Scrooge realy looks too experienced to fall for such a trick and
Donald doesn't seem to know much about who he is impersonating.
I do not like fairy dust and magical immortalities.Reason can be used even
in fiction and I enjoy it more this way.I wouldn't like to read more stories
of poor quality about the Ducks meeting talking wooden puppets,sugary wolves
and annoying chipmunks.Would anybody?

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Dim, our new member from Greece (Welcome!)

About the Blot
>
>In his first appearance on 1939's "Mickey Mouse outwits the Phantom
>Blot"(sadly unpublished in Greece)
Huh? When i was at the offices of Komix in october 1999 I was bringing a
danish comic just to show them (My mother had just joined me, and she
brought that subscriber's edition). The editor who was not tall was very
interested in the
extra for the comic, as it carried that story, Gottfredson's first one,
about the Blot.
But i couldn't give it to him, as it was my own subscriber's edition. -
But we talked about it being a good story, and that they should contact
the ones in Copenhagen about it, so i presumed they had done so by now. I
actually have adouble of the comic
now, that I could send them - but it's more or less a code or such they
would need? or?

The Mickey Mystery pocketbook you mention has become one of my favorites -
post mortem, so to speak, as the magazine was closed before I discovered -
i haven't maneged yet to dig out all the issues at second-hand shops.
>
>Paperinik is a rather popular version of Donald Duck in Greece.In fact
>Almanako magazine reprints only stories of him and Arizona Goof for the
>last
>four years.Some information says there are newer versions of Paperinik in
>Italy edited in the magazines Paperinik New Adventures and PK2.Is he
>still
>the same character who changed his style or have they revised his
>origins?Does Scrooge McDuck appear in the stories of the newer versions?

This also surprises me - as we talked about PK - new adventures at that
office too -
We had fun talking about the italian 0/1, 0/2 and so on issues -

But yes, Scrooge occasionally does appear in those comics, but they are
completely different from any other duck comic i expect you to have seen,
a very different style, that I somehow came to like... And of course now
the magazine closes here becuase of too low sales.

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist