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Olivier:

> What has become of Scrooge's dime? It still exists.
> Was it left in his bin or in his house and nobody knows the special value it
> has? (Rosebud, you
> know)
> Or did Scrooge ask to have it buried with him? (I would think so)
> In any case, there is a chance of finding it (a more gruesome way in the
> second hypothesis, but
> still) and make the amulet.

Even if, in this intriguing scenario, Scrooge's first dime existed, why
would Magica bother with it? What special value would it have, with Scrooge
long dead and his wealth "redistributed"? And why is it necessary to suppose
that only Scrooge's first dime could have any potential of the sort Magica
sought? She'd certainly see a talisman meaningful to Glomgold or Rockerduck
as just as potent, and would doubtless wind up scrapping with both of them.
In fact, she'd likely wind up compelling Glomgold and Rockerduck to join
forces to combat.

Gary

Hi!

Could someone scan me a sample panel of Ferioli's early Mickey -comics from
French Le Journal de Mickey? I need one for my article. Also a scan from
Ferioli's work for Dutch Donald Duck would be appreciated. Thanks in
advance!

Timo

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Somebody mentioned Magica could go after Glomgold's and Rockerduck's
talisman-coins.In "Midas Touch" by Carl Barks she is said to have obtain
coins touched by the richest men in the World.Scrooge is the last on her
list.Those coins are still in her possesion and probably include a coin
touched by the Second Richest Duck and one touched by the Third.That means
she already has coins touched by Glomgold and Rockerduck.Also in "A Little
Something Special"(D 96325) by Don Rosa we learn that she stole Glomgold's
first rand on 1952.
As for Scrooge's three main rivals I have a question.Magica has met both
Flintheart and Rockerduck.Have Flintheart and Rockerduck ever met during a
story?Rockerduck has claimed at times the title of the Second Richest Duck
in the world which belongs to Flintheart.Is there a story in which either
one mentions the other?

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Nils wrote:

> I had a look at the DCML archives a minute ago.
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/ ,
>
> For moderately mysterious reasons, there
> is a single message to the Disney Comics Mail List
> from the year 2016.

Well, at least that message has two effects.

1. It shows that every now and then someone is actually looking at the
archives;

2. by sending a message about it to DCML, he shows that he didn't read all
the previous DCML messages about this 2016 oddity.

--Harry.
8-)

Someone knows when Floyd Gootfredsson stoped to draw Mickey with his shorts?

And what's the policy about Mickey's visual look today?

I listen that Disney don't permit the publishers to reprint the Paul Murry's stories, but I suppose they are putting back Mickey's shorts just to the new one's, and this thing about the reprints are just a
rumor.
For example, last year in on Mickey story made on the NW Studio, the
editor ask to the drawer to re-make al the Mickey's figures, and to re-draw him without the necktie-butterfly, blouse and pants.

Thanks in advance!
Fernando! :)

Aw shucks!

>> I received this likeable answer from Olivier(thanks!!!) about my question about >>Mickey's
shorts, and I'm showing it to you:

Oooops. Right, I did it again: I hit "reply" and forgot to change the addressee to 'DCML". Well,
everyone got it in the end, that's what matters.

>>So, thank you again!

You're welcome. Thanks for this question which made me realize this very elegant transition. I
wonder how it was planned and came to be.

Does anyone have information regarding the shorts? The cartoons, I mean?

More facts (didn't have time in the first mail-- dinner time)

I'm thumbing through the (sumptuous) big "Mickey" book by Pierre Lambert. It's quite difficult to
tell, since Mickey was often dressed differently depending on the story's requirements-- and there
arent't pictures of him for all the cartoons, sometimes it's "only" layouts.
1940, Tugboat Mickey: shorts
1940, Pluto's Dreamhouse: slacks because he's building a housef for Pluto
1941, The Little Whirlwind: same, chasing you-guess-what
1941, The Nifty Nineties: well-dressed, dating Minnie
1941, Canine Caddy: golf
1941, Lend a Paw: shorts
1942, Mickey's Birthday Party: no image of Mickey and I can't remember
1942, Symphony Hour: in a tuxedo to conduct
1943, Pluto and the Armadillo: shorts & colonial cask
1943-6: no Mickey cartoons
1946, Squatter's Rights: trousers, but dressed as a lumberjack
1947, Fun and Fandcy Free (The Beanstalk): tights
1948, Pluto and the Seal: no picture of him, but I've seen him countless times as a kid and I'm
pretty sure he's wearing trousers-- he is, right?
1948, Pluto's Purchase: no image of Mickey
1949, Pueblo Pluto: trousers
[jump forward in time]
1995, Runaway Brain: back to the old shorts-- haven't seen it, and I'd like to

So the change in the strip occured at a time when no Mickey cartoon was produced:
(Feb 19, 1943: Pluto and the Armadillo)
(Aug 3, 1944: "The World of Tomorrow"-- change)
(June 7, 1946: Squatter's Rights)

Finally, here's what Gottfredson told David R. Smith on November 5, 1975...

S: What have been the physical changes that have taken place in Mickey over the years?
G: I would say that the major change was, of course, the new eye with the pupil in it, which came
into being in 1938 [December 22, 1938]; I understand there's still a controversy as to whether Fred
Moore or Ward Kimball did the first one. Fred Moore, I'm sure, had more to do with developing it
than anybody else, and very likely used it first in the shorts. As far as his appearance-- the
clothing, dropping the short pants and so on-- we have always felt that that wasn't too great a
change in that Mikey had always been an actor in the films, so he adopted the costume of whatever
part he was playing at the time, whether he was a bandmaster, or a fireman, or a brave little
tailor, or the Sorcerer's Apprentice, or whatever. As time went on and as they began to put him in
suits and long pants in the pictures, we just went along. We never initiated anything like that in
the strips. Basically, I've always felt that it was our job to catch the spirit of animation and
bring what they were doing in animation to the strip. This is what I tried to do in my design and in
the action; I tried to make the characters move and design them as if they were moving in
animation. Then as our continuities went along, and it became more desirable to put Mickey in a
costume that fit the continuity, we just gradually evolved the short-sleeved shirt and the long
pants and occasionally the hat that he now wears in the strip.

(Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse in Color: 930s Disney Comic Strip Classics; Another Rainbow, 1988, pp
108-9)

Smith says Gottfredson had a remarkable memory, and the interview shows it.
And as Gottfredson remarks, the strip was second to the cartoons and had to capture whatever was on
screen-- there was a "Brave Little Tailor" strip, for instance. Even though no Mickey cartoon was
produced in 1943-6, perhaps the change had been discussed right before, or it was discussed during
that period, and Gottfredson just made it. Also, it may have been actually made in a project that
was shelved and eventually never produced or maybe later.

Olivier

ARMANDO:

On Thursday 8. November 2001 23:15, Armando Botto wrote:
> In that story, Scrooge summons Donald to the Bin, because he needs
> him for "an important matter". Daisy goes with Donald, and Scrooge
> starts insulting her (and women in general): "We must discuss
> *serious* things! Between *men*! Women chatter too much! They've got
> a chicken's brain! They're inferior beings!"
>
> [Don't be surprised... the story came out in 1973, during the worst
> period for Italian scripts. And Guido Martina - who had never been an
> example of Politically Correct ;-) - had been declining for a long
> time already...]

You know, Armando, I don't agree with you on this. You shouldn't take
Scrooge's words too literally and they are definetely not based on
Martina's own opinions on these matters IMO. They are just words that
fit into the story. In fact that particular story is/was very political
correct (or at least very topical) in the early 70s, since we during
the story face many sexist situations which are elegantly put into
rediculousness by the author, and the story itself ends up with
Paperinika being just as intelligent and "heroish" as Paperinik
himself--they *do* cooperate in the end, remember?!

This is a great script I think. A bit outdated and exaggerated perhaps,
but I hope you'll agree, that it is somewhat unique (which is enough
for me to appreciate it anyway :-)

S?ren

(and thanks for the latest posting, Armando :-)