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Hi again, Dim (and Petri).

> "Paperinik should never lose".Why?I do not like invincible
heroes.Everybody is defeated from time to time.It is interesting to know how
a character prepares his revenge or accepts his defeat.Paperinik should
loose a few battles as long as he has worthy rivals.

Don't take me too literally, there was a smiling emoticon after my
"Paperinik should never lose"...

> You mention Super Goof stories as funny.I don't know.I never liked any of
them.

I don't like most of them, but I think that's because the character was
almost always given very poor scripts. The idea of providing a goof with
super powers isn't bad, in terms of the opportunities it provides to write
funny stories (I can't say how original such idea was, though: I suspect it
was already used in earlier non-Disney comics or movies).

> Especialy the appearances of pale versions of Scrooge McDuck and The
Phantom Blot in some of them. [...] There is,one whose title I can't
remember in which Scrooge is transformed into Super Scrooge.

That's exactly the kind of stories I was reminded of when I saw Daisy
transformed into Paperinika ;-)

> Compared to that Fethry's stories are masterpieces!

Hmmm... some of the early Kinney/Hubbard Fethry's stories *are* little
masterpieces, IMHO...

> I don't know what you mean about Scarpa's Mouse.

I mean exactly what Sprea wrote in a previous message: Scarpa's Mouse is
Gottfredson's Mouse. (Maybe this is oversimplifying things: Gottfredson's
Mickey evolved a lot during the 25 years in which he drew him. Let's say
that Scarpa's Mouse is the natural evolution of Gottfredson's...)

> As for your references to Martina's work I don't know if aging was his
problem. I have the 1955 story "The Blot's Double Mysterie"by Martina and
Scarpa.The Blot's plan is to frame Mickey for attempting to kill O'Hara and
then frame O'Hara for embezzling police money so that both of them can end
their days in prison with their fames ruined

Actually, Martina's script went even further: the Blot's original plan is to
have Mickey actually kill O'Hara, and get the electric chair for this! Maybe
the Greek translators decided that was too much for a Disney comic...

> Fine plot but the story is ruined by the appearance of Wonderland's Mad
Hatter in Mouseton and Mickey's savior being Eega Beeva.

That's a matter of tastes. Like Petri, I like this story a lot, and I'm not
disturbed by the appearance of these two characters. After all, Eega Beeva
is a Gottfredson character, just like the Blot...

> So Martina had strange ideas even in his earlier stories.

Sure, he had *very* strange ideas from the very beginning of his writing
career. The few stories he wrote in the late 40es - early 50es are good
examples of what I mean! And he always liked to mix together characters
coming from different Disney "universes". But I'm questioning the *quality*
of the stories he wrote when he got older, not their structure.

> "Paperin Fracassa" by Martina(not Martini as Petri mentions) and Scarpa
has been reprinted in Greece.I have a 1973 version in an issue of "Klasika"
magazine [...] Before the storie there are 4 pages by a different artist
which explain that this storie is a dream Donald had after he fell asleep
while watching television.The program he was watching was too childish for
Huey,Dewey and Louie!And it was about fairytales explaining Donald's
inspiration.At least that was a small consolation.Then five more pages from
the same,unknown to me,artist have Donald waking up and then proceed to link
this story with another which is a parody of Cyrano de Bergerac.

The "Klasika" you have is probably a reprint of the corresponding issue in
the "Classici di Walt Disney" (CWD) Italian series. In CWD the stories were
linked to each other by a "frame-story". Giuseppe Perego is the artist who
usually drew those segments, scripted by Dalmasso.

> (If Armando is interested "Paperin Fracassa" is from 1967 and Martina has
written better stories after this one). That "Blot's Double Musterie" is
much better than this one doesn't tell me much.

I'm not too fond of "Paperin Fracassa", either. So, that Martina has written
better stories after this one doesn't tell me much, too! ;-)

Ciao,
Armando

>Subject: Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest series
>
>Hi All,
> While I am new to this list, I have been collecting Disney comics for
>over 50 years! And now I could sure use your help.
> In the 1980's, there was supossed to be a series of seven Scroog album
>series titles published under the general title of "Adventures from
>Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest." These were published in most western
>European languages. I have the first two: (1.) The Rain God of Uxmal
>and (2.) White Gold of the Matterhorn. However, I have never seen nor
>even heard of anyone who has any of the last five. If you have or have
>seen any of the following books, I would appreciate knowing that they
>had been definitely published for my records. Of course I would
>apprciate the chance to buy copies even more.
> The five titles in question (for me) are:
>3. Pirates on Key West
>4. The Picasso Robbery in Barcelona
>5. Five times Grand Canyon and back
>6. The Tartan of the McDuck Family
>7. The Poor Old Man of Manhattan
> Thanks for any information you can provide me regarding this series.
>The first two volumes are pretty good, so I really would like to know
>the status of the last five.
> Richard Olson
>

Yes, in Germany they are printed, only in my mind for
-the poor Old Man of Manhattan - there are no german version.

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Hi,
I don't know if there's still anybody here who remembers me. I was a quite
active member of this list, well, 5 or so years in the past...
I'm a journalist, author and comic-writer from Austria, and did f.e. the
Barks-in-Munich-Interview that's to be found somewhere on the list's
Homepage, if I'm not mistaken. Well. Now on to my "reappearance".
The last time I was here, I was working on a book about some early Disney
comics creators. A four-way biography about Disney (as intro), Gottfredson,
Taliaferro (the main piece) and Barks. Unfortunately this book didn't see
printing then.
But - tadaa! - now someone got interested in the theme and "Micky, Donald
und ihre V?ter" (working title, = "Mickey, Donald and their fathers") will
be published in April 2002.
Basically it's the same book, with heavy material on Taliaferro that my
co-author got directly from his widow. Such as originals or facsimiles of
inter-office communications at the Disney-Studios etc. Centerpiece is a bill
proving that Al Taliaferro is the original creator of Huey, Lewie and Dewie.

So, for the publication I'd like to update all infos - and add some! Who
better to ask than the knowing crowd around here? Here's what I'd like to
know, answers (or link-tips) to the list or my mail, please:

- Barks: what was important between his trip to Europe 1994 and his death?
Any more paintings? Any more stories written? Something else - like a series
of Donald drawings(?) he did at the time when he officially became a "Disney
Legend". Private stuff (end of his affiliation with his former management).
Who knows about this? Where can I find a up-to-date biography that includes
these details?

- other artists: we'd like to include a (short) chapter showing the
unknowing public what happened to Disney-Comics after Taliaferro,
Gottfredson and Barks. I mean: GREAT creators that followed their footsteps.
Like Rosa or Rota. Now:
Who would you include? (4-5 names) Where would I find informations on their
individual biographies and bibliographies?

That's it, thanks in advance for your help!

Now, two "answers" to the last digest:

1. Bad English
There's a trick! Write your mail in Word (or a similar program) turn on
"English" as language and the program shows you all your misspellings - and
can edit them! ;-)

2. "Snow White in Donald-land"
Well... of course Mickey and Donald seem to live in quite a "real" world.
That's something that evolved over years. But IMHO it's not the basic of the
Disney-universe. The basic is a fable, a fairy tale. Donald came out of one
directly ("The Wise Little Hen") and Mickey and friends were talking farm
animals like in so many fables. I my book I traced the origins of all the
main characters - and they all point to a farm (which was later described as
being owned by Minnie's father). So, Mickey, Donald and all the others seem
to live in a Fantasy-world that just looks and feels like our own - for the
most part! What about the Wild West coexisting in early Mickey adventures?
What about trips to Atlantis or Trala-La? What about Magicka de Spell?
To me it seems, the Disney-Universe is somewhat like Disneyland: each part
exists according to it's own rules (Main Street USA), but it's only one
small step to another land (a medieval castle) existing according to it's
own rules in the _same_ continuum.
That's my two (Euro-) cents ;-)

Harald Havas

http://comics.orf.at
New Comic Strips made in Austria - every day!

The original Martina script of "The Blot's Double Mustery" said that the
Blot's plan was to have Mickey murder O'Hara?Then why wasn't O'Hara in his
bed while Mickey stamped it with the knife?The greek translation says that
an unknown informer tipped off O'Hara who hided nearby to watch who was
going to make the attempt.The informer is presumed to be the Blot.What is
the italian version?
Armando said that some early Fethry stories were little mastrerpieces.I
persume he means stories like the enjoyable "The Health Nut"(S 64008) by
Dick Kinney and Al Hubbard.Yes this stories presented Fethry as a character
who was trying to find an alternative way of living based on the books he
was reading.The contast of his ideas with Donald's made this stories
interesting.There is even one,whose name I do not know,who places
"poor"hunter and fisherman Donald against the fanatic,ecologist Fethry
determined not to let his cousin enjoy his vacation.This story's point of
view against ecology made it funny.But any interest of the character was
lost when the later creators presented him as a common idiot.
The comparison of Super Scrooge to Paperinika doesn't seem to
fit.Paperinika is a motivated character while Scrooge's super-powers added
nothing to his personalitie and are forgetable.
As for Duckburg being in U.S.A we didn't need Rosa's stories to be
informed of it.My introduction to Donald before I learned how to read was
Donald's World War II cartoons with him serving in the U.S.A army.So the
idea that he and most of the characters he was associated with were
Americans wasn't introduced to me by Rosa.I just thought the Ducks lived in
California(after reading Barks "In Old California") and not in Calisota.
I do not get what is the point of telling that it is all a fable or a
fairy-tale.I am used to searching the historical truth behind fables and
fairy-tales by either searching for their origins,the concepts they carry on
or their connection to true historical facts.After searching all the
geneological trees and timelines of greek mythologie it gets to be a
habit.The only think you have to do to understand a fable is to understand
its particular logic.
And as fore some particular stories mentioned they have their own sence of
logic."The Secret of Atlantis" explains how the Atlantean civilasation
survived and how its people evolved into a new species.It is not more
irrational than Plato's tale of the Atlanteans battling the Atheneans
c10.000 BC.Though the story is not very original since it reminds me of
Marvels'version of Atlantis in the stories of the character Namor,the
Sub-Mariner(1939).
Trala-La is just another isolated society circled by mountains.Not much to
disbelief in.And it is more realistic that H.G.Wells' "The Country of the
Blind" which deals with another society of this type that survived for
centuries despite the blidness of its citizens.And Mr.Rosa gave Trala-La a
past explaining it is the old Xanadu(though my version of Britanica says the
later is in Mongolia).
Even Magica DeSpell's version of magic is based in the old belief that man
can learn how to manipulate the forces of nature.More logical than
cooperation with divine beings.
The stories that are mentioned have their logical explanations thanks to
the work of their creators.But a character surviving the centuries without
any explaination of his longevity such as Snow White and her step-mother in
Duck stories has to accept critic.And there isn't a story in which anything
could happen.There aren't unlimited possibilities.Every fantasy has its
rules which define her.And any fantasy world that anybody could imagine is
always based on our own world and its rules.

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SIMO:

> I noticed there's a funny connection between the Pirate
> Gold story with one story Paul Murry draw in the early
> 1960's.

The "Pirate Gold" story was based on the plot of a cartoon that was
never filmed. From what I remember from an old Gladstone article,
this plot was reused several times, including a Peter Pan and a Woody
Woodpecker story!!! Presumably, the Murry story that you mention is one
more such story.

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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Hi, Dave (and Dim)!

I totally agree with you about Fethry stories.

> This is "Preserve Psychiatry" (S 65203).

Hmmm... So, it was recently reprinted in Gemany, Denmark and so on?
Interesting... Hmm...

>
> I agree with you 100%! Your feelings, by the way, are also the
> feelings behind the new Fethry stories that we're producing now at Egmont.

Which stories are you talkin' about? It would be nice to have them, in Italy
too, with a propre introduction... Who are the artists? Maybe even Branca,
Vicar, Ferioli?

> As part of the *real* Fethry's reappearance in our weekly, we also
> reprinted a vintage 1960s Fethry story a couple of months ago.
> Interestingly, it was "Preserve Psychiatry"!

Well, in Italy they were butchered and trimmed, for the pocket book
"Topolino"'s size, so, if you have a "menu" of the reprints in Egmont
countries it should be quite easy to have 'em back all around...
In the December ZP issue ther is the very first Magica story with the two
crows we spoke about some three years ago in this list. It's back, in a
restaured complete versione never printed before!

Bye,

Luca

PS.: And thank you, Dave, for the informations about Scarpa's "RS"
signatures. I look forward your special Xmas book...

Even if "Paperin Fracassa" is a parodie it still neither handles well the
Disney characters nor stays close to the spirit of the book it is based
on.Martina has done much better in other parodies.Such as "Paperino e i tre
moschettieri"(I TL 162-A,I Tl 163-A.The story examines the lifes of five
different French ancestors of the Ducks between 1618 and 1620.Not only we
have parodies of many scenes of Duma's book and ancestors of other Disney
characters appearing but the story gives its own explanation of how the
Ducks ended up on America.They left Europe to avoid service in the
thirty-years war.The last pages of Donald's look-alike loosing all his
fortune to Scrooge's look-alike have always been my favorites in this
story.It seems luck has little to do with riches.Nice story.
There are also "Paperiade"(I TL 202-A,I TL 203-A,I TL 204-A) and
"Paperodissea"(I TL 268-A,I TL 269-A) two of my favorites by Martina.The
first presents Gladstone as the Beagle Boys new leader and Scrooge's rival
in a new conflict.It is one of the most interesting versions of
Gladstone.Donald playing Achiles' part is a great interpretation of the
character.If "Paperin Fracassa" presents Donald as brave then what could be
said about "Paperodissea" which presents him as the leader of Scrooge's
private army in a ten years war against indian bandits and as returnin
wanderor?The story also presents the most shady role of Elvira Coot as she
is practicing tax evasion.
And finaly "Paperino Don Chisciote"(I TL 137-A,I TL-138-A,I TL 139-A)
which presents the spirit of the old Spanish nobleman making Donald his
successor with all that comes with this role.
In comparison to all four stories "Paperin Fracassa" prooves weak even as
a parodie.

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