Gilles:
> That would be nice of you, if you had the original names of
> the cousins...
Which cousins?
> "Le d?tective collant" means "the sticking detective".
>
> As the COA pages don't work today, I couldn't search very welL...
> I think the story "Le d?tective collant" is "Krakende kasten"
> (H 87048)
> because it is the only 13 paged story by Heymans with only
> HDL and DD.
That might be the one. "Krakende kasten" = "Squeaking closets". The German
and Danish titles for the story translate as "The black sheep of the
family". I don't have the Dutch comic nearby to check.
--Harry.
Author
Topic: 200111
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Fluks, H.W.
Gilles: informations about stories
Message 31 -
2001-11-02 at 21:35:58
Fernando Ventura
New(old?!) Disney brazilian comic book!
Message 32 -
2001-11-02 at 22:02:46
Yesterday, Abril launched a new Disney comic book: "Novo Disney Especial".
It's a new version of the old "Disney Especial", canceled two years ago...!
It has 196 pages, and contain classic stories by Barks, Jack Badbury and
some others...! Some stories doesn't have a very good quality of scan...it's
a shame! But it's good to see it back...the next issue will be a reprint of
Christymas stories.
You can see the cover here:
http://www.disney100.hpg.com.br/img-news/especialdisney01.jpg
Fernando!
It's a new version of the old "Disney Especial", canceled two years ago...!
It has 196 pages, and contain classic stories by Barks, Jack Badbury and
some others...! Some stories doesn't have a very good quality of scan...it's
a shame! But it's good to see it back...the next issue will be a reprint of
Christymas stories.
You can see the cover here:
http://www.disney100.hpg.com.br/img-news/especialdisney01.jpg
Fernando!
Don Rosa
DCML digest, Vol 1 #720 - 14 msgs
Message 33 -
2001-11-03 at 00:07:51
From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
Subject: -- Money Bin issue
>>>Oh, and what exactly should the first panel look like, Mr Don Rosa?
The banners beneath the circled BB & Bin are blank.
Those were the banners placed there by Egmont to write in their "Created by
Barks" series logo which that story was originally part of. The banner
under the Beagle Boy was usually lettered correctly, but some publishers
didn't catch on that this story was a *double* entry in the series, which
is why the two main characters were the BB *and* the Bin, as I consider the
Money Bin to be one of Barks' very greatest creations.... and they semed
confused as to what to put on the banner below the Money Bin picture.
This seems to have confounded PICSOU even more. I *assume* the editor was
aware that this issue of PICSOU was published on the 50th anniversary of
both the BB and the Bin, since it's the theme of the issue, but why would
he not put mention of that fact ohn those banners rather than leaving them
blank? What's more annoying is that the *whole reason* I chose those two
features in the series to do is that the PICSOU editor had asked me for a
50th anniversary story for those very aspects -- and you're saying that he
did not mention that this was the purpose behind the story? Doues the issue
not mention the 50th anniversary theme? If not, I'm baffled! I mysteriously
lost all contact with the PICSOU editor months ago, and I am no longer able
to supply him with suggestions, assistance or answers to the questions he
used to send me. Furthermore the original suggestion for the Money Bin
blueprints came from this PICSOU editor, for use as a poster! And now, with
no contact, I can't tell him that we have a poster version ready for him!
Very frustrating (and mysterious).
From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>>>How was Portugal?
It was great fun to walk around in the ancient part of the city and eat
squid and octopus and cuttlefish in ink!
As for the convention, they had a very nice display of several of my
stories and covers and many other nice art displays. (Nobody does comic art
displays as nice as the Spanish and Portuguese... remember how great the
display of my art was in Oporto 4 years ago?!) But it was a "different"
sort of experience for me, being a guest at a comic convention in a country
where my work is never seen! There were about a half-dozen serious fans who
knew who I was, but I sat and signed many autographs and did scribbles for
many nice folks who trusted the information that I was "somebody" and were
very kind and attentive.
This will be a nice contrast to my next trip which will be to Finland. From
a country where no one knows my work to a country where I need bodyguards
to keep the fans at bay! Wheee.
But, by the way, there was a ML member there at the show, one of those
half-dozen who actually knew me. He said he would say hello to the ML for
me and post a link to some photos of the festival. That never happened?
From: "Dim I Nticoudis" <dimadick at hotmail.com>
Thanks for all the nice things you said. But if you're curious:
>>>>Though there are other
references.For instance his opinion that John D.Rockerduck has inherited
his
money probably has something to do with earlier references of this fact in
Tony Strobl's stories.
No, I thought that was a new idea. I was actually being sorta reckless
using the character since I have never even read a Rockerduck story after
that original one by Barks. If Strobl ever did a story with Rockerduck, it
was never printed in America. We've only ever seen Rockerduck in his first
appearance in the early 60's by Barks. Maybe Strobl did a Rockerduck story
for that Disney division that sent comics to Europe to fill the growing
need that the declining Western publications could not fill. But I never
saw it.
Subject: -- Money Bin issue
>>>Oh, and what exactly should the first panel look like, Mr Don Rosa?
The banners beneath the circled BB & Bin are blank.
Those were the banners placed there by Egmont to write in their "Created by
Barks" series logo which that story was originally part of. The banner
under the Beagle Boy was usually lettered correctly, but some publishers
didn't catch on that this story was a *double* entry in the series, which
is why the two main characters were the BB *and* the Bin, as I consider the
Money Bin to be one of Barks' very greatest creations.... and they semed
confused as to what to put on the banner below the Money Bin picture.
This seems to have confounded PICSOU even more. I *assume* the editor was
aware that this issue of PICSOU was published on the 50th anniversary of
both the BB and the Bin, since it's the theme of the issue, but why would
he not put mention of that fact ohn those banners rather than leaving them
blank? What's more annoying is that the *whole reason* I chose those two
features in the series to do is that the PICSOU editor had asked me for a
50th anniversary story for those very aspects -- and you're saying that he
did not mention that this was the purpose behind the story? Doues the issue
not mention the 50th anniversary theme? If not, I'm baffled! I mysteriously
lost all contact with the PICSOU editor months ago, and I am no longer able
to supply him with suggestions, assistance or answers to the questions he
used to send me. Furthermore the original suggestion for the Money Bin
blueprints came from this PICSOU editor, for use as a poster! And now, with
no contact, I can't tell him that we have a poster version ready for him!
Very frustrating (and mysterious).
From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>>>How was Portugal?
It was great fun to walk around in the ancient part of the city and eat
squid and octopus and cuttlefish in ink!
As for the convention, they had a very nice display of several of my
stories and covers and many other nice art displays. (Nobody does comic art
displays as nice as the Spanish and Portuguese... remember how great the
display of my art was in Oporto 4 years ago?!) But it was a "different"
sort of experience for me, being a guest at a comic convention in a country
where my work is never seen! There were about a half-dozen serious fans who
knew who I was, but I sat and signed many autographs and did scribbles for
many nice folks who trusted the information that I was "somebody" and were
very kind and attentive.
This will be a nice contrast to my next trip which will be to Finland. From
a country where no one knows my work to a country where I need bodyguards
to keep the fans at bay! Wheee.
But, by the way, there was a ML member there at the show, one of those
half-dozen who actually knew me. He said he would say hello to the ML for
me and post a link to some photos of the festival. That never happened?
From: "Dim I Nticoudis" <dimadick at hotmail.com>
Thanks for all the nice things you said. But if you're curious:
>>>>Though there are other
references.For instance his opinion that John D.Rockerduck has inherited
his
money probably has something to do with earlier references of this fact in
Tony Strobl's stories.
No, I thought that was a new idea. I was actually being sorta reckless
using the character since I have never even read a Rockerduck story after
that original one by Barks. If Strobl ever did a story with Rockerduck, it
was never printed in America. We've only ever seen Rockerduck in his first
appearance in the early 60's by Barks. Maybe Strobl did a Rockerduck story
for that Disney division that sent comics to Europe to fill the growing
need that the declining Western publications could not fill. But I never
saw it.
Olivier
Kriton: KOMIX #161
Message 34 -
2001-11-03 at 00:14:30
Kriton:
>>* A three-page article with "The news of Komix". Among other items,
>> we learn that a street in Paris is going to be named after Rene
>> Gosciny. I wonder if Americans are going to honor their great story
>> teller in a similar fashion.
Geeeee. I didn't even know that!
It's not the first time I learn of something occuring in my country through a foreign medium (Time
or Newsweek), though; now it's through the DCML, thanks to a Greek friend discussing American
comics.
Weird.
Thank you for the information! (And thanks for mentionning it, Harry: I forgot to reply to that one)
Olivier
>>* A three-page article with "The news of Komix". Among other items,
>> we learn that a street in Paris is going to be named after Rene
>> Gosciny. I wonder if Americans are going to honor their great story
>> teller in a similar fashion.
Geeeee. I didn't even know that!
It's not the first time I learn of something occuring in my country through a foreign medium (Time
or Newsweek), though; now it's through the DCML, thanks to a Greek friend discussing American
comics.
Weird.
Thank you for the information! (And thanks for mentionning it, Harry: I forgot to reply to that one)
Olivier
Dim I Nticoudis
French Mouse
Message 35 -
2001-11-03 at 10:59:49
There are a number of stories with Mickey and Goofy look-alikes who serve
Louis XIII as musketeers.In Greece the translated names for these duos are
always different.Are they ment to be the same persons?
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Slightly off-topic input by a list member whom another list member cosiders being weird
Message 36 -
2001-11-03 at 13:51:52
In DCML digest, Vol 1 #720, Harry wrote:
> anyway. In Germany, they consider him [Carl Barks] the "messenger"
> of a real existing
> world. (I think that's weird, but *they* think it's fun.)
Of course that isn't fun. It's science. And us D.O.N.A.L.D. members take
it most seriously.
Klaus
(As if there was something like "fun" in science ...)
> anyway. In Germany, they consider him [Carl Barks] the "messenger"
> of a real existing
> world. (I think that's weird, but *they* think it's fun.)
Of course that isn't fun. It's science. And us D.O.N.A.L.D. members take
it most seriously.
Klaus
(As if there was something like "fun" in science ...)
Goofy313g
DCML digest, Vol 1 #720 - 14 msgs, BBoysnumbers and genealogy...
Message 37 -
2001-11-03 at 16:11:48
In PICSOU, before the issue 346, there used to be a page explaining all the
stories published in the issue, with panels from other stories, oriinal
covers, photographs...
Now, they just publish stories without telling anything about them. They
prefer talking about *??$?%@ movie stars, or %?*???$ singers, or even f?*?+?
videogames...
They just told in the issue 347 from dec 2001, that Don Rosa will publish 4
stories a year, that one was "the three caballeros", that would be published
in the issue 351, april 2001, that another was "Lo$10b", published in
picsou#349 from february, that another "should" be a story about the bboys
and the mbin, as DonRosa worked on a tribute to Barks with several drawers in
Germany.
But nothing more was told. I didn't even realize that this was an anniversary
storie...
about the beagle's numbers and genealogies...
I wonder if the french translation is very good, so let me know:
according to this story:
176-167 and 176-761 are brothers, and 176-176 isn't their brother
(p2 panel 3:
176:i always thought you inherited of your father's charm, 761... but not
your brother"
167(angry): I won't forget about what you told.)
176-671 and 176-176 are not brothers
(p2panel5: your father was the most beautiful, 671
yes, but yours was the one who was the best not-well shaved!)
I dunno about 176-***, the musterious beagle boy...
According to the story anout Donald's 60yrs, the policemen beagle boys, who
are 176-716, and another one unnamed (probably 176-176), tell "you can give
money to our brother, the mayor 176-167, if you want your sentence not to be
too harsh."
So they must be three brother...
Let's recap:
176-167, -761, and 716 are brothers
176-671 and 176-*** are also brothers
176-176 has no brothers, so it is understandable that he is the leader of the
group...
I guess daddy176-167 is the father of 176-167jr, daddy 176-671 is the father
of 176-671jr, and the same thing for the last one...
I made the tree of the beagles!!!!!!!
what do you, DonRosa, and th others think about my ideas???
Gilles
stories published in the issue, with panels from other stories, oriinal
covers, photographs...
Now, they just publish stories without telling anything about them. They
prefer talking about *??$?%@ movie stars, or %?*???$ singers, or even f?*?+?
videogames...
They just told in the issue 347 from dec 2001, that Don Rosa will publish 4
stories a year, that one was "the three caballeros", that would be published
in the issue 351, april 2001, that another was "Lo$10b", published in
picsou#349 from february, that another "should" be a story about the bboys
and the mbin, as DonRosa worked on a tribute to Barks with several drawers in
Germany.
But nothing more was told. I didn't even realize that this was an anniversary
storie...
about the beagle's numbers and genealogies...
I wonder if the french translation is very good, so let me know:
according to this story:
176-167 and 176-761 are brothers, and 176-176 isn't their brother
(p2 panel 3:
176:i always thought you inherited of your father's charm, 761... but not
your brother"
167(angry): I won't forget about what you told.)
176-671 and 176-176 are not brothers
(p2panel5: your father was the most beautiful, 671
yes, but yours was the one who was the best not-well shaved!)
I dunno about 176-***, the musterious beagle boy...
According to the story anout Donald's 60yrs, the policemen beagle boys, who
are 176-716, and another one unnamed (probably 176-176), tell "you can give
money to our brother, the mayor 176-167, if you want your sentence not to be
too harsh."
So they must be three brother...
Let's recap:
176-167, -761, and 716 are brothers
176-671 and 176-*** are also brothers
176-176 has no brothers, so it is understandable that he is the leader of the
group...
I guess daddy176-167 is the father of 176-167jr, daddy 176-671 is the father
of 176-671jr, and the same thing for the last one...
I made the tree of the beagles!!!!!!!
what do you, DonRosa, and th others think about my ideas???
Gilles
Goofy313g
Della/Dumbella/Thelma DUCK [TO DON ROSA]
Message 38 -
2001-11-03 at 16:17:56
Hi!
I wondered where does the name Della Duck comes from...
I saw that in all of Barks and Worden's family trees, she was called Thelma,
that her first used name was Dumbella...
I recently saw that my German Family Tree was published in 1984, and that her
german name in it is...Della...
So, did you invent the name Della /did you find it somewhere in American
comic books /did you just take her name from the german translation because
it was nicer than "Dumbella"???
Gilles
I wondered where does the name Della Duck comes from...
I saw that in all of Barks and Worden's family trees, she was called Thelma,
that her first used name was Dumbella...
I recently saw that my German Family Tree was published in 1984, and that her
german name in it is...Della...
So, did you invent the name Della /did you find it somewhere in American
comic books /did you just take her name from the german translation because
it was nicer than "Dumbella"???
Gilles
Goofy313g
Malcolm/Matey McDuck [to Don Rosa]
Message 39 -
2001-11-03 at 16:22:29
Hi!
If Matey McDuck is an incarnation of Scrooge McDuck, as shown in "Back to
Long ago", he can also be his ancestor. But how do you explain the fact that
his soul, which should be the same than Scrooge's one, is not the same, as we
see him in the McDuck paradise???
Sigvald Grosjfeld had the idea that Malcolm and Matey are two different
characters, probably (twin?) brothers, but it is impossible, as Malcolm is
told to have dealed with potatoes....
Gilles
If Matey McDuck is an incarnation of Scrooge McDuck, as shown in "Back to
Long ago", he can also be his ancestor. But how do you explain the fact that
his soul, which should be the same than Scrooge's one, is not the same, as we
see him in the McDuck paradise???
Sigvald Grosjfeld had the idea that Malcolm and Matey are two different
characters, probably (twin?) brothers, but it is impossible, as Malcolm is
told to have dealed with potatoes....
Gilles
Goofy313g
Informations about stories...
Message 40 -
2001-11-03 at 16:28:24
Harry:
>Which cousins?
I guess I was speaking about the ancestors from the bradbury story.
About the story of Heymans, it is the one!
If you recognize those characters from the german tree, please tell me:
The two cousins near abner "whitewater" Duck"
The uncle of Daisy
The ancestor called Alexander Duck, who must be a greek ancestor of Scrooge.
Thank u
Gilles
>Which cousins?
I guess I was speaking about the ancestors from the bradbury story.
About the story of Heymans, it is the one!
If you recognize those characters from the german tree, please tell me:
The two cousins near abner "whitewater" Duck"
The uncle of Daisy
The ancestor called Alexander Duck, who must be a greek ancestor of Scrooge.
Thank u
Gilles
Apostolis Trikourakis
Della/Dumbella/Thelma
Message 41 -
2001-11-03 at 17:31:09
Hi all
Gilles wrote:
> So, did you invent the name Della /did you find it
> somewhere in American comic books /did you just take
> her name from the german translation because it was
> nicer than "Dumbella"???
Exactly. The name "Dumbella" sounds very stupid, so he
decided to rename her to "Della".
Best Wishes
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Gilles wrote:
> So, did you invent the name Della /did you find it
> somewhere in American comic books /did you just take
> her name from the german translation because it was
> nicer than "Dumbella"???
Exactly. The name "Dumbella" sounds very stupid, so he
decided to rename her to "Della".
Best Wishes
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Kriton: KOMIX #161
Message 42 -
2001-11-03 at 18:33:53
> > "Donald Munchh[a]usen...a forgotten script by Carl Barks".
>
>What is this about? Knowing Komix, they probably copied an article from
>somewhere else. But I don't remember the forgotten script...
That is unused moviescript from 1938. It's about Donald bragging his heroic
antics as photographer in Africa to his nephews (I haven't seen any of those
story boards for this movie).
Timo
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>
>What is this about? Knowing Komix, they probably copied an article from
>somewhere else. But I don't remember the forgotten script...
That is unused moviescript from 1938. It's about Donald bragging his heroic
antics as photographer in Africa to his nephews (I haven't seen any of those
story boards for this movie).
Timo
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King Scrooge Sah,Malcolm"Matey"McDuck,Scrooge McDuck.
Message 43 -
2001-11-03 at 18:36:27
Scrooge McDuck is considered to be a reincarnation of his ancestor
Malcolm"Matey"McDuck due to a story by Barks who confirms there are
reincarnations in the Duck Universe.But there is story that contradicts
it.This story is "King Scrooge the First" by Carl Barks and Tony Strobl
edited on 1967.In this story King Khan Khan(2050 BC-1967 AD) an immortal
forces Scrooge McDuck to drink a magic potion which returns his "Genetic
Memory" to the year 2033 BC,to a point in the life of his ancestor King
Scrooge Sah I of Sagbad.According to this story the Ducks are carrying their
ancestors' memories in their genetic memory.Khan Khan already mentions that
Scrooge McDuck is "almost a reincarnation of Scrooge Sah".The hypnotist in
the other story could have returned Scrooge's genetic memory to 1564,to a
point in the life of his ancestor Malcolm"Matey"McDuck.That does not mean
Scrooge is a reincarnation of this ancestor.So Scrooge's and Malcolm's soul
meeting is not a mistake.By the way Scrooge's soul is already in McDucks'
heaven since 1967 according to Don Rosa.Are the genetic memories he carried
on lost or did he had a descendant?I like Gilles idea that Dickie Duck is
Scrooge's granddaughter.Makes as think his legacy survived him.
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Malcolm"Matey"McDuck due to a story by Barks who confirms there are
reincarnations in the Duck Universe.But there is story that contradicts
it.This story is "King Scrooge the First" by Carl Barks and Tony Strobl
edited on 1967.In this story King Khan Khan(2050 BC-1967 AD) an immortal
forces Scrooge McDuck to drink a magic potion which returns his "Genetic
Memory" to the year 2033 BC,to a point in the life of his ancestor King
Scrooge Sah I of Sagbad.According to this story the Ducks are carrying their
ancestors' memories in their genetic memory.Khan Khan already mentions that
Scrooge McDuck is "almost a reincarnation of Scrooge Sah".The hypnotist in
the other story could have returned Scrooge's genetic memory to 1564,to a
point in the life of his ancestor Malcolm"Matey"McDuck.That does not mean
Scrooge is a reincarnation of this ancestor.So Scrooge's and Malcolm's soul
meeting is not a mistake.By the way Scrooge's soul is already in McDucks'
heaven since 1967 according to Don Rosa.Are the genetic memories he carried
on lost or did he had a descendant?I like Gilles idea that Dickie Duck is
Scrooge's granddaughter.Makes as think his legacy survived him.
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Message 44 -
2001-11-03 at 18:55:59
DIM:
>On the other hand,Kriton,you seem to disregard the long Italian tradition
>of stories which I always found the most complicated and interesting.
[...]
>For instance in "Il Colosso del Nilo"
I hope I don't take the words out of Kriton's mouth (hi, Kriton!), but...
Dim, you can rest assured that Kriton knows his Italian Duck stories well.
In particular, it was *his* letter that tipped Gladstone off to the
*existence* of "Colossus of the Nile" in the late 1980s, even though it was
the mid-1990s by the time they managed to acquire and publish the story.
David
>On the other hand,Kriton,you seem to disregard the long Italian tradition
>of stories which I always found the most complicated and interesting.
[...]
>For instance in "Il Colosso del Nilo"
I hope I don't take the words out of Kriton's mouth (hi, Kriton!), but...
Dim, you can rest assured that Kriton knows his Italian Duck stories well.
In particular, it was *his* letter that tipped Gladstone off to the
*existence* of "Colossus of the Nile" in the late 1980s, even though it was
the mid-1990s by the time they managed to acquire and publish the story.
David
Olivier
Names in Don's stories
Message 45 -
2001-11-03 at 19:58:46
>> Byron Ericksons name is also included in The Ten Avatars,
>> together with Don's e-mail-adress!
>> You can also find his e-mail-adress in The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff.
Well, waddaya know? I'd enver seen that, although I make a point of reading everything-- but I did
overlook that. Thanks for pointing it out, Oyvind!
Olivier
>> together with Don's e-mail-adress!
>> You can also find his e-mail-adress in The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff.
Well, waddaya know? I'd enver seen that, although I make a point of reading everything-- but I did
overlook that. Thanks for pointing it out, Oyvind!
Olivier