Dim wrote:
> Armando said recently that Scrooge was hateful in those old stories when
he used to swindle every other character.Realy hasn't anybody else enjoyed
it when Donald was signing contracts in which the small printed letters
actualy contained Scrooge's real terms?
I enjoyed it in many stories, as long as it remained a side-gag, adding
something to the story plot and to Scrooge's personality. I didn't like it
any longer when Scrooge became a plain villain.
> Scrooge was quite an inteligent guy even if he had low morality.Have you
ever heard about angelic businessmen?
Sure! Our Italian Prime Minister happens to be one - at least, that's what
he says ;-)
(sorry for the off-topic, but I couldn't resist...)
> As for Armando's opinion for Paperinika,he probably was a nine-yeasr old
than didn't like to see his heroe humiliation by a girl.
That's very likely. Paperinik had been Donald's (almost) only opportunity to
take his revenge against the Scrooge I've described above; seeing him
ridiculized by Paperinika was probably too much for a 9-year-old kid to bear
;-)
> Personaly I liked this version of Daisy.Instead of a
fashioned-crazed,overly-sweet Duck I'd like to see more of her as a
character that is going to fight in order to prove her point.And humiliating
a more experienced vigilante prooves her worth.I'd call it the begining of a
complicated relationship.And Paperinik's humilation is a result of his ego
more than his being incapable.(I use the second Paperinika story for
references).
I'll have to re-read Paperinika's other stories before answering here...
> And Armando then proceeded to compare Paperinik and Paperinika to Super
Goof.I don't think you can compair them.
Neither do I. And, in fact, I didn't. I simply said that the device of
cloning a character was weak and unoriginal, and the fact that it was used
in a number of (rather silly) Super Goof stories goes to prove it...
> One of the many reasons I like the Ducks more than the rest of Disney
characters is that they are shady,complicated characters with constantly
developing talents and flaws.I wouldn't like to see a Scrooge with no
greed,a Donald/Paperinik who is invincible and a Daisy/Paperinika who takes
insults well.Would Armando or anybody else want that?
Well, I could argue that Paperinik *is* Donald, so Paperinik's invincibility
balances Donald's shortcomings.
But, in general, I agree with you: I, too, like "complicated characters with
constantly developing talents and flaws". Barks', Scarpa's, Rosa's Scrooge
is such a character. Also the Mickey Mouse by Gottfredson (and Osborne, De
Maris, and Walsh) is. Martina's Scrooge, especially from the 70es, is *not*.
You "wouldn't like to see a Scrooge with no greed", I don't like to see a
Scrooge who is nothing but greed...
Ciao,
Armando
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Armando Botto
Scrooge and Paperinika
Message 181 -
2001-11-16 at 22:00:42
Ari Seppi
Finnish Carl Barks Seminar
Message 182 -
2001-11-17 at 00:16:01
We had a Carl Barks seminar in Lahti today.
To summarize: It was very interesting. (I want more, I want more, somebody
please arrange a new seminar).
(Notice for the Finns who weren't there but are interested in more detailed
description: Timo Ronkainen writes an article about the seminar for
Ankkalinnan pamaus volume 10).
Table of contents of the seminar:
First Juhani Tolvanen gave a short presentation about Finnish translations
and their effect on popularity of Disney comics in Finland and how the old
translations are one of the few common things between the different age
groups in families. After the presentation, there was some talk about there
still being a need to modernize the comics translations like translations
of other works of literature.
The second speaker was Pekka Tuliara. His perspective was Carl Barks and
Walt Disney.
After Pekka, Marja Ritola gave a view in Don Rosa/Carl Barks
intertextuality. During her presentation and in discussion after it there
was some pondering about the conventions: traditional conventions and
Barks-conventions, and how Don broke many of the frozen conventions despite
and because of crabbing onto Barks-tradition most tightly.
Markku Koski talked about Barks as an American.
Donald Ault (yippee, we had Donald Ault) talked... a lot actually. One of
his main themes was the diversity of the possibilities to understand the
Barks series (he used the first dime as an example). He also had a quite
nice answer to the question "what is your favorite Barks series?". It was
the one he is currently reading, no matter the actual quality of it. Even
in the worst of Barks stories, he still finds and remembers the things he
likes in Barks.
Finally, there was a Barks-exhibition (from Marko Lepp?l?'s collection).
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To summarize: It was very interesting. (I want more, I want more, somebody
please arrange a new seminar).
(Notice for the Finns who weren't there but are interested in more detailed
description: Timo Ronkainen writes an article about the seminar for
Ankkalinnan pamaus volume 10).
Table of contents of the seminar:
First Juhani Tolvanen gave a short presentation about Finnish translations
and their effect on popularity of Disney comics in Finland and how the old
translations are one of the few common things between the different age
groups in families. After the presentation, there was some talk about there
still being a need to modernize the comics translations like translations
of other works of literature.
The second speaker was Pekka Tuliara. His perspective was Carl Barks and
Walt Disney.
After Pekka, Marja Ritola gave a view in Don Rosa/Carl Barks
intertextuality. During her presentation and in discussion after it there
was some pondering about the conventions: traditional conventions and
Barks-conventions, and how Don broke many of the frozen conventions despite
and because of crabbing onto Barks-tradition most tightly.
Markku Koski talked about Barks as an American.
Donald Ault (yippee, we had Donald Ault) talked... a lot actually. One of
his main themes was the diversity of the possibilities to understand the
Barks series (he used the first dime as an example). He also had a quite
nice answer to the question "what is your favorite Barks series?". It was
the one he is currently reading, no matter the actual quality of it. Even
in the worst of Barks stories, he still finds and remembers the things he
likes in Barks.
Finally, there was a Barks-exhibition (from Marko Lepp?l?'s collection).
--
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Dim I Nticoudis
Characters.
Message 183 -
2001-11-17 at 00:27:03
Thanks for your answer Armando.But even Mr.Barks in his "Voodoo Hoodoo"
explained that Scrooge can be overcome by greed who leads him to atrocious
actions.I consider most of the Martina's stories such moments of extreme
greed.I believe that we are seing Scrooge's brightest and darkest sides in
the stories of different creators.I usualy just disregard the stories who
present Scrooge as childish,foolish or ignorant.Those are probably the only
things he is definitely not.
Paperinik and Paperinika express different viewpoints so I don't think
they are clones of each other.I think these identities express Donald's and
Daisy's need for revenge.But the targets are different.Donald/Paperinik
targets those who personaly wronged him or criminals inforcing his own type
of "justice".Daisy also leads the feminists group of Duckburg by proving
what a woman worths.Her revenje is against prejudism.She also trys to
inforce her own version of "justice".Where this versions are similar and
where there is a contrast between them is the story's main interesting
point.And Paperinik was geting too arrogant by the time.A few losses would
help him think better.
What do you mean silly Super Goof stories?As far as I know there isn't one
that is close to serious.And the reason why all the characters that
temporarily possesed super-powers were boring is that those added nothing to
their personalities,their inteligence and their motivation had no interest
for the reader.
You are right about Mickey.Gottfredson handled the character better than
the rest.See how Mickey is tempted by power in "The Miracle Master".In
"Monarch of Medioka" he makes sure he is the king while Michael XIV is
absent.He is determined not to be controlled by his ministers.He is
ambitious and well-balanced.Even Scarpa didn't gave his Mouse such a style.
And a question.Recently in Greece we have more and more reprints of
Italian stories staring Pete.What happened?Italians got bored of Mickey as
Americans did before them?
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explained that Scrooge can be overcome by greed who leads him to atrocious
actions.I consider most of the Martina's stories such moments of extreme
greed.I believe that we are seing Scrooge's brightest and darkest sides in
the stories of different creators.I usualy just disregard the stories who
present Scrooge as childish,foolish or ignorant.Those are probably the only
things he is definitely not.
Paperinik and Paperinika express different viewpoints so I don't think
they are clones of each other.I think these identities express Donald's and
Daisy's need for revenge.But the targets are different.Donald/Paperinik
targets those who personaly wronged him or criminals inforcing his own type
of "justice".Daisy also leads the feminists group of Duckburg by proving
what a woman worths.Her revenje is against prejudism.She also trys to
inforce her own version of "justice".Where this versions are similar and
where there is a contrast between them is the story's main interesting
point.And Paperinik was geting too arrogant by the time.A few losses would
help him think better.
What do you mean silly Super Goof stories?As far as I know there isn't one
that is close to serious.And the reason why all the characters that
temporarily possesed super-powers were boring is that those added nothing to
their personalities,their inteligence and their motivation had no interest
for the reader.
You are right about Mickey.Gottfredson handled the character better than
the rest.See how Mickey is tempted by power in "The Miracle Master".In
"Monarch of Medioka" he makes sure he is the king while Michael XIV is
absent.He is determined not to be controlled by his ministers.He is
ambitious and well-balanced.Even Scarpa didn't gave his Mouse such a style.
And a question.Recently in Greece we have more and more reprints of
Italian stories staring Pete.What happened?Italians got bored of Mickey as
Americans did before them?
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Eega Beeva
Message 184 -
2001-11-17 at 13:31:33
Well this is a rather silly question: Anybody knows what the origin of
the name "Eega Beeva" is--does it have any meaning as such? And about
the sillyness. Well, I watched "Striptease" on TV yesterday (or at
least parts of it) and in this movie Demi Moore drops her clothes in a
club called..."Eager Beaver"(!) ;-)
S?ren
the name "Eega Beeva" is--does it have any meaning as such? And about
the sillyness. Well, I watched "Striptease" on TV yesterday (or at
least parts of it) and in this movie Demi Moore drops her clothes in a
club called..."Eager Beaver"(!) ;-)
S?ren
SRoweCanoe
Eega Beeva
Message 185 -
2001-11-17 at 14:22:04
In a message dated 11/17/2001 6:41:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
raptus at stofanet.dk writes:
> Well this is a rather silly question: Anybody knows what the origin of
> the name "Eega Beeva" is--does it have any meaning as such? And about
> the sillyness. Well, I watched "Striptease" on TV yesterday (or at
> least parts of it) and in this movie Demi Moore drops her clothes in a
> club called..."Eager Beaver"(!) ;-)
>
Eager Beaver is an expression that pre-dates Eega Beeva, and is yes what EB
is.
the more current term would be " a go-getter"
the club in the film is a different kind of eager beaver.......and as you
might guess, an offensive term to some
Steven Rowe
SRoweCanoe at aol.com
raptus at stofanet.dk writes:
> Well this is a rather silly question: Anybody knows what the origin of
> the name "Eega Beeva" is--does it have any meaning as such? And about
> the sillyness. Well, I watched "Striptease" on TV yesterday (or at
> least parts of it) and in this movie Demi Moore drops her clothes in a
> club called..."Eager Beaver"(!) ;-)
>
Eager Beaver is an expression that pre-dates Eega Beeva, and is yes what EB
is.
the more current term would be " a go-getter"
the club in the film is a different kind of eager beaver.......and as you
might guess, an offensive term to some
Steven Rowe
SRoweCanoe at aol.com
Søren Krarup Olesen
Eega Beeva
Message 186 -
2001-11-17 at 15:10:15
STEVEN:
On Saturday 17. November 2001 13:22, SRoweCanoe at aol.com wrote:
> Eager Beaver is an expression that pre-dates Eega Beeva, and is yes
> what EB is.
> the more current term would be " a go-getter"
Thanks, Steven, had the feeling it was something like that.
> the club in the film is a different kind of eager beaver.......and
> as you might guess, an offensive term to some
Sure. Reminds me (as usual) of a Vonnegut novel, where Kurt actually
draws the two kinds of "beavers" in order to question the resemblance.
Well, that's off topic anyway :-)
S?ren
On Saturday 17. November 2001 13:22, SRoweCanoe at aol.com wrote:
> Eager Beaver is an expression that pre-dates Eega Beeva, and is yes
> what EB is.
> the more current term would be " a go-getter"
Thanks, Steven, had the feeling it was something like that.
> the club in the film is a different kind of eager beaver.......and
> as you might guess, an offensive term to some
Sure. Reminds me (as usual) of a Vonnegut novel, where Kurt actually
draws the two kinds of "beavers" in order to question the resemblance.
Well, that's off topic anyway :-)
S?ren
HoyMurphy
Don Rosa at Mid-Ohio Con
Message 187 -
2001-11-17 at 16:03:49
I see Don Rosa is on the guest list at Mid-Ohio Con this year! It will be
held the weekend after Thanksgiving, November 24-25, in Colombus, Ohio. Don
was visiting as a civilian last year and I had a brief chat with him in the
dealer's room, and he is such a nice guy! My two kids and I are looking
forward to seeing him again this year!
--your pal, Hoy
held the weekend after Thanksgiving, November 24-25, in Colombus, Ohio. Don
was visiting as a civilian last year and I had a brief chat with him in the
dealer's room, and he is such a nice guy! My two kids and I are looking
forward to seeing him again this year!
--your pal, Hoy
Hans Pedersen
FC189 file copy on eBay?
Message 188 -
2001-11-17 at 18:14:30
Hi --
Currently, there is a file copy of "Old Castle's Secret" for sale on eBay
(item 1034587406: FC#189 2nd SCROOGE BARKS FILE COPY
AUTO NM-MT).
A long time ago, I think I recall seeing the front cover of this copy in
Michael Barrier's book about Barks(?) If someone out there has the book,
could you do me a favor and look it up to see if the two are identical?
I've had a mixed experience with this seller in the past: sold me an
obviously restored book as unrestored VF and later changed his id
after getting lots of negative feedback. Might have been ignorance, but
I'd like to verify that this copy holds up to a literature check...
Thanks - Hans
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Currently, there is a file copy of "Old Castle's Secret" for sale on eBay
(item 1034587406: FC#189 2nd SCROOGE BARKS FILE COPY
AUTO NM-MT).
A long time ago, I think I recall seeing the front cover of this copy in
Michael Barrier's book about Barks(?) If someone out there has the book,
could you do me a favor and look it up to see if the two are identical?
I've had a mixed experience with this seller in the past: sold me an
obviously restored book as unrestored VF and later changed his id
after getting lots of negative feedback. Might have been ignorance, but
I'd like to verify that this copy holds up to a literature check...
Thanks - Hans
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" Eager Beaver "
Message 189 -
2001-11-17 at 21:12:07
...To be blunt - " beaver " is a vulgar/blunt/jocular
term for the feminine genital areas , and , nude/porno
magazines , in America , sometimes promise " Wide Open
Beaver/Split Beaver " for legs-wide-open female nude
shots/pictures .
I remember a gruesome joke , in the old " NATIONAL
LAMPOON " , of a drawing of " Split Beaver " that was
- a drawing of a dead beaver , the animal that has a
tail and builds dams , split wide open with an
ax/other implement . A DRAWING , remember .
( A beaver is an animal , not a form of bird/whatever
- Right ??????? )
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term for the feminine genital areas , and , nude/porno
magazines , in America , sometimes promise " Wide Open
Beaver/Split Beaver " for legs-wide-open female nude
shots/pictures .
I remember a gruesome joke , in the old " NATIONAL
LAMPOON " , of a drawing of " Split Beaver " that was
- a drawing of a dead beaver , the animal that has a
tail and builds dams , split wide open with an
ax/other implement . A DRAWING , remember .
( A beaver is an animal , not a form of bird/whatever
- Right ??????? )
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Re 739: Ari
Message 190 -
2001-11-18 at 00:43:08
ARI
> After Pekka, Marja Ritola gave a view in Don Rosa/Carl Barks
> intertextuality. During her presentation and in discussion after it
there
> was some pondering about the conventions: traditional conventions and
> Barks-conventions, and how Don broke many of the frozen conventions
despite
> and because of crabbing onto Barks-tradition most tightly.
Marja Ritola - is that the person who wrote the pro gradu on
intertextuality in Don Rosa's stories?
I saw the interview done by Mr. Elliott, where the ph.d. (is that the
same as pro gradu?) is shown.
I wonder if that book would sometime be published, or become available
in english, just to fans.
As a duckhunter I would certainly love to read it.
> After Pekka, Marja Ritola gave a view in Don Rosa/Carl Barks
> intertextuality. During her presentation and in discussion after it
there
> was some pondering about the conventions: traditional conventions and
> Barks-conventions, and how Don broke many of the frozen conventions
despite
> and because of crabbing onto Barks-tradition most tightly.
Marja Ritola - is that the person who wrote the pro gradu on
intertextuality in Don Rosa's stories?
I saw the interview done by Mr. Elliott, where the ph.d. (is that the
same as pro gradu?) is shown.
I wonder if that book would sometime be published, or become available
in english, just to fans.
As a duckhunter I would certainly love to read it.
Bi442
Norwegian Disney Writers/Artists
Message 191 -
2001-11-18 at 02:07:01
Regarding the supposed lack of Norwegian writers for Disney Comics:
Although there MAY be no Norwegian Disney Comic writers who are currently
residing in Norway all year long and currently writing stories for Disney
comics; there are two HALF Norwegians who are currently writing stories for
Disney - and one of them is even a final artist for Disney comics.
Regarding current Norwegian writers of Disney comics: Although there may be
none who currently reside all year long in Norway, there are two half-Norwegian
writers who currently contribute stories to Disney comics.
One is Gorm Transgaard, a prolific writer for Egmont. He is half Danish and
half Norwegian (his father being Norwegian). He lived in Danmark for the early
period of his story contibutions, but has lived in Nepal, India and Costa Rica,
as well as other exotic lands since 1995, while sending his stories to Egmont
(via e-mail?). Any additional info here, David?
The other is Jan Gulbransson, who is half Norwegian and half German. He writes
and draws stories for VNU (Dutch Disney Comics). Although he is very busy with
other Non-Disney cartooning projects using his own characters; he submits a few
stories to VNU each year, to keep open his position with them. His name Jan is
Norwegian, but I know many German males who also use the name Jan. I also know
several Germans named Sven (as in DCML's own Sven-Oliver Troschke), and Soeren
(as in DCML's own Soeren Schridde). In addition, Jan is a very common male
first name in the West Slavic nations (Poland,Czech Rep. & Slovakia). It is
even used in USA (note: Jan Berry - of Jan & Dean fame). Jan Gulbransson
resides in Norway 2 to 3 months each year. His family comes from eastern Oslo
Fjord, and Kragero (oe)and Grimstad. There is at least one Norwegian writer and
artist for Disney comics living in the country (at least, part time). Rob Klein
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Although there MAY be no Norwegian Disney Comic writers who are currently
residing in Norway all year long and currently writing stories for Disney
comics; there are two HALF Norwegians who are currently writing stories for
Disney - and one of them is even a final artist for Disney comics.
Regarding current Norwegian writers of Disney comics: Although there may be
none who currently reside all year long in Norway, there are two half-Norwegian
writers who currently contribute stories to Disney comics.
One is Gorm Transgaard, a prolific writer for Egmont. He is half Danish and
half Norwegian (his father being Norwegian). He lived in Danmark for the early
period of his story contibutions, but has lived in Nepal, India and Costa Rica,
as well as other exotic lands since 1995, while sending his stories to Egmont
(via e-mail?). Any additional info here, David?
The other is Jan Gulbransson, who is half Norwegian and half German. He writes
and draws stories for VNU (Dutch Disney Comics). Although he is very busy with
other Non-Disney cartooning projects using his own characters; he submits a few
stories to VNU each year, to keep open his position with them. His name Jan is
Norwegian, but I know many German males who also use the name Jan. I also know
several Germans named Sven (as in DCML's own Sven-Oliver Troschke), and Soeren
(as in DCML's own Soeren Schridde). In addition, Jan is a very common male
first name in the West Slavic nations (Poland,Czech Rep. & Slovakia). It is
even used in USA (note: Jan Berry - of Jan & Dean fame). Jan Gulbransson
resides in Norway 2 to 3 months each year. His family comes from eastern Oslo
Fjord, and Kragero (oe)and Grimstad. There is at least one Norwegian writer and
artist for Disney comics living in the country (at least, part time). Rob Klein
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The Empeeror's New Groove and Snow White
Message 192 -
2001-11-18 at 03:17:27
I didn't saw any comic book version of this movie...it was did one? I
suppose it wasn't, since there was so few merchandising things on it...in
any way, it was really a funny movie! I think there are only one-page gags
published on "Disney Adventure" magazine on USA...isn't it indexed on
Inducks?
This week Abril launched a comic book version of Snow White...how many
different comic adaptations it has?
On the second disc of the Platinium Edition of Snow White's DVD there are
some pages of the original comic, and also the Gladstone print.
Fernando! :)
suppose it wasn't, since there was so few merchandising things on it...in
any way, it was really a funny movie! I think there are only one-page gags
published on "Disney Adventure" magazine on USA...isn't it indexed on
Inducks?
This week Abril launched a comic book version of Snow White...how many
different comic adaptations it has?
On the second disc of the Platinium Edition of Snow White's DVD there are
some pages of the original comic, and also the Gladstone print.
Fernando! :)
Ari Seppi
Re 739: Anders (Marja Ritola)
Message 193 -
2001-11-18 at 10:09:29
Anders:
>Marja Ritola - is that the person who wrote the pro gradu on
>intertextuality in Don Rosa's stories?
Yes, she is.
>I saw the interview done by Mr. Elliott, where the ph.d. (is that the
>same as pro gradu?) is shown.
And another "yes", ph.d. is pro gradu.
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>Marja Ritola - is that the person who wrote the pro gradu on
>intertextuality in Don Rosa's stories?
Yes, she is.
>I saw the interview done by Mr. Elliott, where the ph.d. (is that the
>same as pro gradu?) is shown.
And another "yes", ph.d. is pro gradu.
--
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Pekka Timonen
Re 739: Anders (Marja Ritola)
Message 194 -
2001-11-18 at 12:54:54
> And another "yes", ph.d. is pro gradu.
>
No, it's not. Pro gradu is master's thesis.
--
Pekka Timonen (pati at iki.fi)
>
No, it's not. Pro gradu is master's thesis.
--
Pekka Timonen (pati at iki.fi)
Søren Krarup Olesen
Re 739: Anders (Marja Ritola) [OT]
Message 195 -
2001-11-18 at 13:46:50
AC:
On Sunday 18. November 2001 11:54, Pekka Timonen wrote:
> > And another "yes", ph.d. is pro gradu.
>
> No, it's not. Pro gradu is master's thesis.
Hmmm, must admit I had to look that up myself. "pro gradu" (after
graduation) is a bit confusing, I mean what graduation are we talking
about?! Ph.D. means "Doctor of Philosophy" which is equally confusing,
since it is not a real doctor degree and it doesn't necessarily have
anything to do with "philosophy" (in the modern sense).
S?ren
M.Sc., Ph.D.
On Sunday 18. November 2001 11:54, Pekka Timonen wrote:
> > And another "yes", ph.d. is pro gradu.
>
> No, it's not. Pro gradu is master's thesis.
Hmmm, must admit I had to look that up myself. "pro gradu" (after
graduation) is a bit confusing, I mean what graduation are we talking
about?! Ph.D. means "Doctor of Philosophy" which is equally confusing,
since it is not a real doctor degree and it doesn't necessarily have
anything to do with "philosophy" (in the modern sense).
S?ren
M.Sc., Ph.D.