Hi!
I am building the family tree of the beagles, but I still have problems with
the daddies!!!
In Lo$2, they wear the numbers 176-671 and 176-167 on page 22, panel 8,
then, on page 23, they wear the numbers 167-176, 167-617, 167-716,
then, since the 24th page, they have the numbers 176-167, 176-617, and
176-716
That already makes 7 numbers for only 3 beagles... and it is not finished!!!
In LO$ 10, those beagles come back with the numbers 176-617, 176-167, and
176-716, except for page 9 panel 10, were we can see a number that begins
with "167-"
Finally, in "The Beagle Boys vs the money bin, the daddies are shown to wear
the numbers "176-167, 176-671, and 176-176.
Before now, I had in mnd that Grandpa Beagle wore "186-802", and his three
sons with 167 as first number, and their second number beginning by a 7 for
one, by a 6 for another, and by a 1 for the other. Finally, I thought that
the one with the second number with a 1 was the father of the two beagle boys
176-167 and 176-176, the one with a 6 was the father of 176-617 and 176-671,
and the one with a 7 was the father of 176-761 and 176-716, and the seventh
beagle boy with the secret number 176-*** was the sone of one of the three
daddies...
Please, Don or somebody, help me!!!
I cannot sleep anymore!
I am just a human being!
I see beagles and "176" everywhere!
I call my mother "176-mum" !!!
176-thank u very 176-much if you can help 176-me!
good 176-bye!!!
176-Gilles
Author
Topic: 200111
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Goofy313g
Beagle Boys numbers... 176176176176176176176
Message 16 -
2001-11-02 at 01:12:22
Dim I Nticoudis
Beagles,Beagles everywhere
Message 17 -
2001-11-02 at 08:48:38
Gilles if you want to have some information on the Beagle Boys you have
better contact Kriton Kyrimis who seems to have an interest on them.In Komix
130 he had counted the six more often used Beagle Boys:Grandpa
186-802,176-167,176-176,176-617,176-671,176-716.
He had then proceeded to count all the Beagle Boys'numbers in Barks
stories:176-000,176-001,176-032,176-040,176-070,176-071,176-080,176-111,176-117,176-160,176-167,176-176,176-300,176-301,176-321,176-330,176-331,176-360,176-370,176-602,176-606,176-616,176-617,176-666,176-671,176-676.176-702,176-716,176-730,176-761,176-824,176-825,176-830,176-831,176-836,176-837,176-838,176-840,176-860
and Grandpa 186-802.That is 41 Beagles.Don once mentioned the rest of them
may be the sons and grandsons of Grandpa's brothers.
Kriton theorised there are at least 1001 Beagles:Grandpa 186-802 and
Beagles with numbers from 176-000 till 177-000.
This is not that simple.Many stories,mainly American and
Italian,proceeded to inform us that the Beagles are an ancient clan of
Raiders that is facing the Ducks since Prehistory.In a Moby Duck story
published in Super Miky 18 the first Beagle becomes an outlaw to face the
tyranic Moyk Doyk(Scrooge McDuck look-alike ancestor)on the year 214.200
BC!Don't be surprised Italian stories said the Ducks' clan was established
on 1.000.000 BC on the dawn of civilisation.Many stories have explained how
the Beagles were developing new brunches in different territories during the
milenia.Current stories have said they are international,having brunches in
every main country of the world and the American brunch having his own
brunches in every main U.S.A cities.If you want to study the Beagles'history
good luck!
_________________________________________________________________
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better contact Kriton Kyrimis who seems to have an interest on them.In Komix
130 he had counted the six more often used Beagle Boys:Grandpa
186-802,176-167,176-176,176-617,176-671,176-716.
He had then proceeded to count all the Beagle Boys'numbers in Barks
stories:176-000,176-001,176-032,176-040,176-070,176-071,176-080,176-111,176-117,176-160,176-167,176-176,176-300,176-301,176-321,176-330,176-331,176-360,176-370,176-602,176-606,176-616,176-617,176-666,176-671,176-676.176-702,176-716,176-730,176-761,176-824,176-825,176-830,176-831,176-836,176-837,176-838,176-840,176-860
and Grandpa 186-802.That is 41 Beagles.Don once mentioned the rest of them
may be the sons and grandsons of Grandpa's brothers.
Kriton theorised there are at least 1001 Beagles:Grandpa 186-802 and
Beagles with numbers from 176-000 till 177-000.
This is not that simple.Many stories,mainly American and
Italian,proceeded to inform us that the Beagles are an ancient clan of
Raiders that is facing the Ducks since Prehistory.In a Moby Duck story
published in Super Miky 18 the first Beagle becomes an outlaw to face the
tyranic Moyk Doyk(Scrooge McDuck look-alike ancestor)on the year 214.200
BC!Don't be surprised Italian stories said the Ducks' clan was established
on 1.000.000 BC on the dawn of civilisation.Many stories have explained how
the Beagles were developing new brunches in different territories during the
milenia.Current stories have said they are international,having brunches in
every main country of the world and the American brunch having his own
brunches in every main U.S.A cities.If you want to study the Beagles'history
good luck!
_________________________________________________________________
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Petri Kanninen
Need informations about stories!!!
Message 18 -
2001-11-02 at 13:19:07
GILLES:
> http://goofy313g.free.fr/3.jpg
Hi!
I think no one answered this one yet. I remember this story. It was
published in one of the 400 pages books in Finland. Its code is W DD
30-03. No title is given. Fun one actually.
--
Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi)
Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta: http:/www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/
"Elokuvataiteen kannalta Van Damme on ollut merkitt?vimmill??n
Replicant-elokuvan loppuhuipennuksessa, jossa h?n potki ja
pieksi perusteellisesti itse??n." -Mikko Vienonen, IS 13.10.2001
> http://goofy313g.free.fr/3.jpg
Hi!
I think no one answered this one yet. I remember this story. It was
published in one of the 400 pages books in Finland. Its code is W DD
30-03. No title is given. Fun one actually.
--
Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi)
Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta: http:/www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/
"Elokuvataiteen kannalta Van Damme on ollut merkitt?vimmill??n
Replicant-elokuvan loppuhuipennuksessa, jossa h?n potki ja
pieksi perusteellisesti itse??n." -Mikko Vienonen, IS 13.10.2001
Kriton Kyrimis
DCML digest, Vol 1 #719 - 12 msgs
Message 19 -
2001-11-02 at 13:49:52
GILLES:
> I loved the story the Beagle Boys vs the Money Bin, published this month in
> Picsou Magazine!!!
Can you tell us the issue number? We get Picsou Magazine with several
months' delay over here, so I'll have to keep the number in mind, if I
don't want to miss that issue.
DIM:
> Gilles if you want to have some information on the Beagle Boys you have
> better contact Kriton Kyrimis who seems to have an interest on them.In Komix
> 130
I guess you are referring to my letter to Komix, where I had sent them
the information I had sent to the list in August 13, 1998. That posting
does not seem to be archived, but you can read an article based on it
at http://www.seriesam.com/barks/text_s_40beagleboys.html
What I'd done was leaf through the Carl Barks library, jotting down
every new number that I encountered.
> That is 41 Beagles.
40...
> Kriton theorised there are at least 1001 Beagles
...which combined with the alternative of 1001, provides an allusion to
the (1001) Arabian Nights, with Ali baba and the 40 thieves!
> This is not that simple.Many stories,mainly American and
> Italian,proceeded to inform
As with Don's stories, only numbers made up by Barks count in this game.
> Current stories have said they are international,having brunches in
I wonder if they serve prunes in those brunches. (Sorry, but I couldn't
resist!) :-)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"The important systems are functioning. Oxygen, power and the laws of
physics are still in evidence. Mostly."
-----
> I loved the story the Beagle Boys vs the Money Bin, published this month in
> Picsou Magazine!!!
Can you tell us the issue number? We get Picsou Magazine with several
months' delay over here, so I'll have to keep the number in mind, if I
don't want to miss that issue.
DIM:
> Gilles if you want to have some information on the Beagle Boys you have
> better contact Kriton Kyrimis who seems to have an interest on them.In Komix
> 130
I guess you are referring to my letter to Komix, where I had sent them
the information I had sent to the list in August 13, 1998. That posting
does not seem to be archived, but you can read an article based on it
at http://www.seriesam.com/barks/text_s_40beagleboys.html
What I'd done was leaf through the Carl Barks library, jotting down
every new number that I encountered.
> That is 41 Beagles.
40...
> Kriton theorised there are at least 1001 Beagles
...which combined with the alternative of 1001, provides an allusion to
the (1001) Arabian Nights, with Ali baba and the 40 thieves!
> This is not that simple.Many stories,mainly American and
> Italian,proceeded to inform
As with Don's stories, only numbers made up by Barks count in this game.
> Current stories have said they are international,having brunches in
I wonder if they serve prunes in those brunches. (Sorry, but I couldn't
resist!) :-)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"The important systems are functioning. Oxygen, power and the laws of
physics are still in evidence. Mostly."
-----
Olivier
DCML digest, Vol 1 #719 - 12 msgs -- Money Bin issue
Message 20 -
2001-11-02 at 14:32:26
Hi Kriton!
>> Can you tell us the issue number? We get Picsou Magazine with several
>> months' delay over here, so I'll have to keep the number in mind, if I
>> don't want to miss that issue.
PM 358.
But you can't miss it: there's a Beagle Boy on the (deep blue) cover.
Great story, indeed. I had a lot of fun reading it. The other stories are Money Bin-related, but I
haven't read them yet.
I was disappointed they didn't make a poster of the plans, though.
Oh, and what exactly should the first panel look like, Mr Don Rosa?
The banners beneath the circled BB & Bin are blank.
Should it be something like
"The Beagle Boys"
"vs" (same banner?)
"The Money Bin" ?
Best things,
Olivier
>> Can you tell us the issue number? We get Picsou Magazine with several
>> months' delay over here, so I'll have to keep the number in mind, if I
>> don't want to miss that issue.
PM 358.
But you can't miss it: there's a Beagle Boy on the (deep blue) cover.
Great story, indeed. I had a lot of fun reading it. The other stories are Money Bin-related, but I
haven't read them yet.
I was disappointed they didn't make a poster of the plans, though.
Oh, and what exactly should the first panel look like, Mr Don Rosa?
The banners beneath the circled BB & Bin are blank.
Should it be something like
"The Beagle Boys"
"vs" (same banner?)
"The Money Bin" ?
Best things,
Olivier
Don Rosa
DCML digest #719
Message 21 -
2001-11-02 at 15:19:55
From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Gilles)
Subject: BB vs Money Bin, Money Bin Plans, BB numbers ( to Don Rosa)
>>>>I loved the story the Beagle Boys vs the Money Bin, published this
month in
Picsou Magazine!!!
I have some questions:
About the Money Bin Plans:
In the version of the plans that had been scanned by a member of the list
(drawn black on white),
Um... that means they scanned a version that I sent them by e-mail and
which they were NOT supposed to reproduce for anyone, much less make
available on the Internet. Would the person who did this write to me so I
can find out why this happened?
>>>>the designer of the plans was Keno Don Rosa, and in
the french publication (drawn white on blue), it is "F. L. Braque"
Are there 2 versions of this plan, or did the translators change the facts?
The version meant for publication left the name of the architect up to the
translator, but the name used in my script was "F. L. Drake" (the "F.L."
suggested by Frank Lloyd).
>>>>How could Scrooge know there would be a trophy's room and a worry room
before
the Bin was built?
Because he already had lots of trophies and he already worried a lot.
That's obvious, eh?
>>>About the BB numbers:
In Lo$ 2, the Beagle Boys (fathers of the actual Beagle Boys) have numbers
beginning by 167.
Only on one page when I apparently blacked out or something.
>>>Why, didn't u keep saying that Blackheart had the number 186-802,
I have done so. As Barks had it in "The Money Well".
...and you continue to list the errors in the original printings of
chapters 2 and 6 of the "Lo$". These were usually corrected in reprints,
but it *astounds* me that, as anal-retentively careful and precise as I am
about details, I made these mistakes on the BB's serial numbers... and I
made another mistake in one panel of that "BB vs. the Money Bin" story
showing two BB's with the same number. The only explanation I can come up
with is that I sketch in a number while penciling the entire story,
intending to hurry along and check on the correct number later when inking.
Then weeks later when I ink those panels, I assume I penciled in the number
I wanted and ink it and speed on. Still, I should *know* that BB numbers
don't begin with "167".
So, you're wanting to know what is correct?
>>>Finally, in "The Beagle Boys vs the money bin, the daddies are shown to
wear
the numbers "176-167, 176-671, and 176-176.
THAT is the correct version. It comes from the numbers shown on those three
in Barks' untitled flashback story, his only story similar to what I do in
the "Lo$" series, which appeared in our giant-size one-shot UNCLE $CROOGE
GOES TO DI$NEYLAND in 1957. That story might be termed "Lo$" chapter 2?
(two-prime); it can't be 1B or 2B since it takes place *inside* the
timespan covered by my chapter 2.
Subject: BB vs Money Bin, Money Bin Plans, BB numbers ( to Don Rosa)
>>>>I loved the story the Beagle Boys vs the Money Bin, published this
month in
Picsou Magazine!!!
I have some questions:
About the Money Bin Plans:
In the version of the plans that had been scanned by a member of the list
(drawn black on white),
Um... that means they scanned a version that I sent them by e-mail and
which they were NOT supposed to reproduce for anyone, much less make
available on the Internet. Would the person who did this write to me so I
can find out why this happened?
>>>>the designer of the plans was Keno Don Rosa, and in
the french publication (drawn white on blue), it is "F. L. Braque"
Are there 2 versions of this plan, or did the translators change the facts?
The version meant for publication left the name of the architect up to the
translator, but the name used in my script was "F. L. Drake" (the "F.L."
suggested by Frank Lloyd).
>>>>How could Scrooge know there would be a trophy's room and a worry room
before
the Bin was built?
Because he already had lots of trophies and he already worried a lot.
That's obvious, eh?
>>>About the BB numbers:
In Lo$ 2, the Beagle Boys (fathers of the actual Beagle Boys) have numbers
beginning by 167.
Only on one page when I apparently blacked out or something.
>>>Why, didn't u keep saying that Blackheart had the number 186-802,
I have done so. As Barks had it in "The Money Well".
...and you continue to list the errors in the original printings of
chapters 2 and 6 of the "Lo$". These were usually corrected in reprints,
but it *astounds* me that, as anal-retentively careful and precise as I am
about details, I made these mistakes on the BB's serial numbers... and I
made another mistake in one panel of that "BB vs. the Money Bin" story
showing two BB's with the same number. The only explanation I can come up
with is that I sketch in a number while penciling the entire story,
intending to hurry along and check on the correct number later when inking.
Then weeks later when I ink those panels, I assume I penciled in the number
I wanted and ink it and speed on. Still, I should *know* that BB numbers
don't begin with "167".
So, you're wanting to know what is correct?
>>>Finally, in "The Beagle Boys vs the money bin, the daddies are shown to
wear
the numbers "176-167, 176-671, and 176-176.
THAT is the correct version. It comes from the numbers shown on those three
in Barks' untitled flashback story, his only story similar to what I do in
the "Lo$" series, which appeared in our giant-size one-shot UNCLE $CROOGE
GOES TO DI$NEYLAND in 1957. That story might be termed "Lo$" chapter 2?
(two-prime); it can't be 1B or 2B since it takes place *inside* the
timespan covered by my chapter 2.
Archontis Pantsios
MIKY MAOUS & ALMANAKO
Message 22 -
2001-11-02 at 16:29:08
Fellow Quackeroos:
Your Greek e-kiosk is with you once again:
1) MIKY MAOUS #1841, October 26, 2001
a) Gladstone Gander in "Gastone guardiano fortunato", from "Topolino" #2251,
1999 (31 pages). Script: Carlo Panaro; Art: Claudio Panarese
b) Mickey Mouse in "Il campeggio movimentato", from "Topolino" #338, 1962
(26 pages). Script: Ennio Missaglia; Art: Luciano Capitanio
c) Fethry Duck in "The Bungler" (11 pages). Story code & creators unknown.
2) ALMANAKO #129, November 2001
a) Paperinik in "The Ghost of the Great War", from "Paperinik" #74, 1999 (50
pages in two parts). Script & art: Lucio Leoni & Emanuela Negrin (a very
nice story!)
b) Indiana Goofy in "Chiedilo a Indiana: Paura", from "Topolino" #2296, 1999
(6 pages). Script: Augusto Macchetto; Art: Alessandro Perina
"Til next week,
Archontis
--------------------------------------------------
Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
Assistant Academic Dean & Professor of Economics
The American College of Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki--GREECE
Phone #: +30-310-398228
Your Greek e-kiosk is with you once again:
1) MIKY MAOUS #1841, October 26, 2001
a) Gladstone Gander in "Gastone guardiano fortunato", from "Topolino" #2251,
1999 (31 pages). Script: Carlo Panaro; Art: Claudio Panarese
b) Mickey Mouse in "Il campeggio movimentato", from "Topolino" #338, 1962
(26 pages). Script: Ennio Missaglia; Art: Luciano Capitanio
c) Fethry Duck in "The Bungler" (11 pages). Story code & creators unknown.
2) ALMANAKO #129, November 2001
a) Paperinik in "The Ghost of the Great War", from "Paperinik" #74, 1999 (50
pages in two parts). Script & art: Lucio Leoni & Emanuela Negrin (a very
nice story!)
b) Indiana Goofy in "Chiedilo a Indiana: Paura", from "Topolino" #2296, 1999
(6 pages). Script: Augusto Macchetto; Art: Alessandro Perina
"Til next week,
Archontis
--------------------------------------------------
Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
Assistant Academic Dean & Professor of Economics
The American College of Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki--GREECE
Phone #: +30-310-398228
Oyvind J. Karstad
Names in Don's stories
Message 23 -
2001-11-02 at 16:30:06
In The Duck Who Never Was page 5, panel 2,
some graffiti on the wall says "Byron",
pointing to a funny drawing of a face.
Another piece of graffiti says "Don".
Byron Ericksons name is also included in The Ten Avatars,
together with Don's e-mail-adress!
You can also find his e-mail-adress in The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff.
Oyvind
some graffiti on the wall says "Byron",
pointing to a funny drawing of a face.
Another piece of graffiti says "Don".
Byron Ericksons name is also included in The Ten Avatars,
together with Don's e-mail-adress!
You can also find his e-mail-adress in The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff.
Oyvind
Fluks, H.W.
Money bin scans
Message 24 -
2001-11-02 at 16:40:03
Don:
How was Portugal?
>> In the version of the plans that had been scanned by a member
>> of the list (drawn black on white),
> Um... that means they scanned a version that I sent them by e-mail and
> which they were NOT supposed to reproduce for anyone, much less make
> available on the Internet. Would the person who did this
> write to me so I can find out why this happened?
Don't draw conclusions too fast.
Gilles was probably referring to
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/w80/homage2.html
and
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/w80/homage3.html
which were scanned (by Carey Furlong) from the "souvenir book" of the San
Diego Comic Convention 2001.
Along with other items in that book, which serve as a tribute to Carl Barks.
All these are on my website at
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/w80/homage.html
I understand Scott Shaw was the editor of the tribute.
--Harry.
How was Portugal?
>> In the version of the plans that had been scanned by a member
>> of the list (drawn black on white),
> Um... that means they scanned a version that I sent them by e-mail and
> which they were NOT supposed to reproduce for anyone, much less make
> available on the Internet. Would the person who did this
> write to me so I can find out why this happened?
Don't draw conclusions too fast.
Gilles was probably referring to
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/w80/homage2.html
and
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/w80/homage3.html
which were scanned (by Carey Furlong) from the "souvenir book" of the San
Diego Comic Convention 2001.
Along with other items in that book, which serve as a tribute to Carl Barks.
All these are on my website at
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/w80/homage.html
I understand Scott Shaw was the editor of the tribute.
--Harry.
Don Rosa
DCML digest #719
Message 25 -
2001-11-02 at 16:49:41
Aha. Harry just informed me that the black-on-white version of our Money
Bin plans that Gilles referred to was probably a scan of the English
version from the San Diego program book. That's okay -- I knew that I had
also sent scans of various versions to several people whom I told to not
make copies or show to anyone until some much later date, and I wanted to
make sure I wasn't being double-crossed.
Bin plans that Gilles referred to was probably a scan of the English
version from the San Diego program book. That's okay -- I knew that I had
also sent scans of various versions to several people whom I told to not
make copies or show to anyone until some much later date, and I wanted to
make sure I wasn't being double-crossed.
Dim I Nticoudis
Carl Barks,Don Rosa and the other greats.
Message 26 -
2001-11-02 at 18:16:25
Kriton Kyrimis mentions this phrase "As with Don's Stories only numbers
made up by Barks count in this game."Which excactly is this game?Living in
Greece we were lucky enough to be exposed during the years to some of the
finest works of many Disney Creators.Americans,Italians and Dutch mostly
have build a tradition for Disney Comics starting on 1930.The many
interpretations of existing characters and the creation of new have made
this tradition getting more and more exciting over the years.
Don Rosa is an excelent creator.Actualy he is my favorite since all this
historical references and his will to creat a continuity for the characters
without constantly contradicting himself make him everything I wanted in a
creator since I was a five year-old.Since I first bought the Crocodile
Collector,which was my favorite story for years,I thought he was great.There
is always a little something special for me in his stories.But Rosa has
based his unic stories mostly on the stories of Barks.Though there are other
references.For instance his opinion that John D.Rockerduck has inherited his
money probably has something to do with earlier references of this fact in
Tony Strobl's stories.
Barks is surely among Disney's best creators.Stories as "King Scrooge the
First"are excelent.But Barks had many continiuty errors in his stories.He
sometimes just used an idea for just one storie,without explaining many
details,and contradicted it in the next storie.I don't Barks' ideas should
be taken in consideration in many subjects of Disney Continiuty because he
didn't seem to have seriously thought of such subjects.
With the exception of Floyd Gottfredson most other American creators
haven't excactly impressed me.To be honest when I was a kid I had learned to
recognise the style of two creators I affectionately called "Mr.Boring" and
"Mr.Childish".I later learned theier names were Paul Murry and Tony Strobl.
On the other hand,Kriton,you seem to disregard the long Italian tradition
of stories which I always found the most complicated and interesting.At
first if you search Romano Scarpa's stories you shall find many interesting
stories among them,many with the Beagle Boys at their best.For instance in
"Il Colosso del Nilo" they manipulate the Ducks almost till the end.Why
ignor this storie and their numbers?Scarpa's stories deserve to be studied
as much as Barks' probably.Characters as Dunblane McDuck from "Paperino e la
leggenda dello Scozzeze Volante"would probably deserve their place in a
family tree as much as any of Barks' characters.He is well developed and
interesting.Scrooge's love-hate relationship with Brigitta McBridge who has
been his lover,his rival and his ally in many occasions makes Scrooge even
more interesting than the kind of cold Scrooge of Barks.Totaly ignoring
Scarpa would be a mistake.
Giovan Battista Carpi,another excelent creator,has made Grandpa Beagle a
main figure in Italiann stories and turned Donald into a vigilante who works
at night.Many multi-part stories by Carpi have also digged a little deaper
in the history and origin of our characters.
As for Money Bins have a look at "Zio Paperone e il deoposito oceanico" of
Marco Rota.Have you ever seen Scrooge's wealth being this impressive?Marco's
Duckburg is also the most impressive since he draws it as a modern
megalopolis.Marco's ideas for the Ducks' world make his seem most
impressive.And as for his interpretation of the Ducks' ancestry Andold"Wild
Duck"Temerary is an excelent creation.
And also the stories of Bruno Concina,Gianfranco Cordara and Rodolfo
Cimmino have some of the best interpretations of the Ducks and the Beagles.
All this great creators' work can not be disregarded because of what
Mr.Barks had in mind about fifty years ago!Kriton the game you mentioned
should be the study of many characters as developed and interpredated by a
number of great creators over the years.We shouldn't forget that Barks is
only one of them.
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made up by Barks count in this game."Which excactly is this game?Living in
Greece we were lucky enough to be exposed during the years to some of the
finest works of many Disney Creators.Americans,Italians and Dutch mostly
have build a tradition for Disney Comics starting on 1930.The many
interpretations of existing characters and the creation of new have made
this tradition getting more and more exciting over the years.
Don Rosa is an excelent creator.Actualy he is my favorite since all this
historical references and his will to creat a continuity for the characters
without constantly contradicting himself make him everything I wanted in a
creator since I was a five year-old.Since I first bought the Crocodile
Collector,which was my favorite story for years,I thought he was great.There
is always a little something special for me in his stories.But Rosa has
based his unic stories mostly on the stories of Barks.Though there are other
references.For instance his opinion that John D.Rockerduck has inherited his
money probably has something to do with earlier references of this fact in
Tony Strobl's stories.
Barks is surely among Disney's best creators.Stories as "King Scrooge the
First"are excelent.But Barks had many continiuty errors in his stories.He
sometimes just used an idea for just one storie,without explaining many
details,and contradicted it in the next storie.I don't Barks' ideas should
be taken in consideration in many subjects of Disney Continiuty because he
didn't seem to have seriously thought of such subjects.
With the exception of Floyd Gottfredson most other American creators
haven't excactly impressed me.To be honest when I was a kid I had learned to
recognise the style of two creators I affectionately called "Mr.Boring" and
"Mr.Childish".I later learned theier names were Paul Murry and Tony Strobl.
On the other hand,Kriton,you seem to disregard the long Italian tradition
of stories which I always found the most complicated and interesting.At
first if you search Romano Scarpa's stories you shall find many interesting
stories among them,many with the Beagle Boys at their best.For instance in
"Il Colosso del Nilo" they manipulate the Ducks almost till the end.Why
ignor this storie and their numbers?Scarpa's stories deserve to be studied
as much as Barks' probably.Characters as Dunblane McDuck from "Paperino e la
leggenda dello Scozzeze Volante"would probably deserve their place in a
family tree as much as any of Barks' characters.He is well developed and
interesting.Scrooge's love-hate relationship with Brigitta McBridge who has
been his lover,his rival and his ally in many occasions makes Scrooge even
more interesting than the kind of cold Scrooge of Barks.Totaly ignoring
Scarpa would be a mistake.
Giovan Battista Carpi,another excelent creator,has made Grandpa Beagle a
main figure in Italiann stories and turned Donald into a vigilante who works
at night.Many multi-part stories by Carpi have also digged a little deaper
in the history and origin of our characters.
As for Money Bins have a look at "Zio Paperone e il deoposito oceanico" of
Marco Rota.Have you ever seen Scrooge's wealth being this impressive?Marco's
Duckburg is also the most impressive since he draws it as a modern
megalopolis.Marco's ideas for the Ducks' world make his seem most
impressive.And as for his interpretation of the Ducks' ancestry Andold"Wild
Duck"Temerary is an excelent creation.
And also the stories of Bruno Concina,Gianfranco Cordara and Rodolfo
Cimmino have some of the best interpretations of the Ducks and the Beagles.
All this great creators' work can not be disregarded because of what
Mr.Barks had in mind about fifty years ago!Kriton the game you mentioned
should be the study of many characters as developed and interpredated by a
number of great creators over the years.We shouldn't forget that Barks is
only one of them.
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Message 27 -
2001-11-02 at 19:04:07
"Dim I Nticoudis":
>We shouldn't forget that Barks is
>only one of them.
We also shouldn't forget that without mr. Barks there wouldn't be much
characters to work with: Scrooge, Gyro, Beagles, Duckburg... He made the
entire universe. Without him there would be only the Taliaferro's (although
pretty good) newspaper duck (without duckburg), I think...
Barks was true life Cornelius Coot.. :-)
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>We shouldn't forget that Barks is
>only one of them.
We also shouldn't forget that without mr. Barks there wouldn't be much
characters to work with: Scrooge, Gyro, Beagles, Duckburg... He made the
entire universe. Without him there would be only the Taliaferro's (although
pretty good) newspaper duck (without duckburg), I think...
Barks was true life Cornelius Coot.. :-)
Timo
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Carl Barks,Don Rosa and the other greats.
Message 28 -
2001-11-02 at 19:54:37
> From: Dim I Nticoudis [mailto:dimadick at hotmail.com]
Your name sounds Greek... And your e-mail address sounds almost like it came
from a Rowan Atkinson sketch... 8-)
> Kriton Kyrimis mentions this phrase "As with Don's Stories
> only numbers
> made up by Barks count in this game."Which excactly is this
> game?
My estimate is that about half of the Disney comics fans are Barks-only
fans. Maybe even more.
The work of Barks has been the most important. And he is the only Disney
comics creator that is known all over the world, and almost all his stories
were printed all over the world.
> Barks is surely among Disney's best creators.
For comics, I think he is *the* best. And the only one who had a large
production with a continuous high level of quality. (For instance Scarpa has
done some very good stories, but also some very bad ones.)
> I don't [think] Barks' ideas should
> be taken in consideration in many subjects of Disney
> [continuity] because he
> didn't seem to have seriously thought of such subjects.
Of course he hadn't. But a lot of people think it's fun to pretend he had
anyway. In Germany, they consider him the "messenger" of a real existing
world. (I think that's weird, but *they* think it's fun.)
> "Mr.Boring" and "Mr.Childish".
> I later learned theier names were Paul Murry
> and Tony Strobl.
8-)
Actually, both artists drew stories written by different writers. Therefore,
the quality of the stories varied a lot. My favourite writer on Strobl art
is Bob Gregory. And Murry drew some very good stories in the mid-60s,
written by a yet unknown person.
> Kriton the game you mentioned
> should be the study of many characters as developed and
> interpredated by a
> number of great creators over the years.We shouldn't forget
> that Barks is only one of them.
Kriton can, of course, define his own rules. It's *his* game. And Barks is
one of the many Disney comics creators, but he is definitely not *only* one
of them.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/
Your name sounds Greek... And your e-mail address sounds almost like it came
from a Rowan Atkinson sketch... 8-)
> Kriton Kyrimis mentions this phrase "As with Don's Stories
> only numbers
> made up by Barks count in this game."Which excactly is this
> game?
My estimate is that about half of the Disney comics fans are Barks-only
fans. Maybe even more.
The work of Barks has been the most important. And he is the only Disney
comics creator that is known all over the world, and almost all his stories
were printed all over the world.
> Barks is surely among Disney's best creators.
For comics, I think he is *the* best. And the only one who had a large
production with a continuous high level of quality. (For instance Scarpa has
done some very good stories, but also some very bad ones.)
> I don't [think] Barks' ideas should
> be taken in consideration in many subjects of Disney
> [continuity] because he
> didn't seem to have seriously thought of such subjects.
Of course he hadn't. But a lot of people think it's fun to pretend he had
anyway. In Germany, they consider him the "messenger" of a real existing
world. (I think that's weird, but *they* think it's fun.)
> "Mr.Boring" and "Mr.Childish".
> I later learned theier names were Paul Murry
> and Tony Strobl.
8-)
Actually, both artists drew stories written by different writers. Therefore,
the quality of the stories varied a lot. My favourite writer on Strobl art
is Bob Gregory. And Murry drew some very good stories in the mid-60s,
written by a yet unknown person.
> Kriton the game you mentioned
> should be the study of many characters as developed and
> interpredated by a
> number of great creators over the years.We shouldn't forget
> that Barks is only one of them.
Kriton can, of course, define his own rules. It's *his* game. And Barks is
one of the many Disney comics creators, but he is definitely not *only* one
of them.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/
Fluks, H.W.
Quiz Show / coral barques
Message 29 -
2001-11-02 at 20:05:22
Shaun:
> Last night on a local TV quiz show (New Zealand that is),
> they asked the
> question "What is Uncle Scrooge's surname?" I wasn't
> surprised that nobody knew the answer.
This reminds me of a Dutch quiz show, where they asked for the *middle* name
of Donald Duck!
It's Fauntleroy, which no-one in the show knew. But I was surprised that
they asked the question.
(By coincidence, Dutch DCML member Roy, who sometimes calls himself
FauntleRoy, is currently on holiday in New Zealand...)
> On the subject of names appearing in Don Rosa stories, there
> was also the
> mention of "Coral Barques". How was this reference handled in
> non-English translations?
In the Dutch translation, the final sentence in the panel "Yeah, I've
*heard* of coral barques!" was simply skipped. The remainder of the
conversation of the nephews was spread over the text balloons to fill the
gap.
In other stories, they sometimes used the literal translation of Carl Barks,
"Karel Blaft", as the name of a character.
--Harry.
"Ja, ik heb wel eens van koraalbarken gehoord."
> Last night on a local TV quiz show (New Zealand that is),
> they asked the
> question "What is Uncle Scrooge's surname?" I wasn't
> surprised that nobody knew the answer.
This reminds me of a Dutch quiz show, where they asked for the *middle* name
of Donald Duck!
It's Fauntleroy, which no-one in the show knew. But I was surprised that
they asked the question.
(By coincidence, Dutch DCML member Roy, who sometimes calls himself
FauntleRoy, is currently on holiday in New Zealand...)
> On the subject of names appearing in Don Rosa stories, there
> was also the
> mention of "Coral Barques". How was this reference handled in
> non-English translations?
In the Dutch translation, the final sentence in the panel "Yeah, I've
*heard* of coral barques!" was simply skipped. The remainder of the
conversation of the nephews was spread over the text balloons to fill the
gap.
In other stories, they sometimes used the literal translation of Carl Barks,
"Karel Blaft", as the name of a character.
--Harry.
"Ja, ik heb wel eens van koraalbarken gehoord."
Fluks, H.W.
Kriton: KOMIX #161
Message 30 -
2001-11-02 at 21:27:41
Kriton:
> Here's what's in this month's issue of Komix:
>
> * Cover by Carl Barks, with the airbrush coloring used in a
> Dutch edition.
> I have put a scan in http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix161.jpg
For the record: the airbrushing was done by Hilbert Bolland. Since the black
lines are removed, we (i.e. Inducks) regard this as a re-inking, in stead of
just colouring.
> * A three-page article with "The news of Komix". Among other items,
> we learn that a street in Paris is going to be named after Rene
> Gosciny. I wonder if Americans are going to honor their great story
> teller in a similar fashion.
A street in either Disneyland (California) or Disneyworld (Florida) carries
the name "Barks & Nash". Nearby is a real statue of Cornelius Coot.
But that's not a "real" street, and it's only *half* named after Barks.
> * A two-page article titled "The first steps of a
> story-teller", subtitled
> "Donald Munchh[a]usen...a forgotten script by Carl Barks".
What is this about? Knowing Komix, they probably copied an article from
somewhere else. But I don't remember the forgotten script...
> * Josep Tello Gonzales' "Pintoretto da Riscatto" (D 4471).
> [Despite what
> people say about Tello, I love the way he reproduces Murry's style.]
Hm... Tastes differ...
> Hank Porter's "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs".
> I have this story in a publication produced by Gladstone
> in 1987. Other than an old Gladstone back issues catalog, from
> which I had bought it, I haven't seen this album mentioned anywhere. I
> wonder if it is some kind of rarity. (No, it's not for sale!)
Well, at least the item *is* in Inducks. 8-)
(We call it SWSD 1; Kjell Cron? is a proud owner of a copy.)
--Harry.
> Here's what's in this month's issue of Komix:
>
> * Cover by Carl Barks, with the airbrush coloring used in a
> Dutch edition.
> I have put a scan in http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix161.jpg
For the record: the airbrushing was done by Hilbert Bolland. Since the black
lines are removed, we (i.e. Inducks) regard this as a re-inking, in stead of
just colouring.
> * A three-page article with "The news of Komix". Among other items,
> we learn that a street in Paris is going to be named after Rene
> Gosciny. I wonder if Americans are going to honor their great story
> teller in a similar fashion.
A street in either Disneyland (California) or Disneyworld (Florida) carries
the name "Barks & Nash". Nearby is a real statue of Cornelius Coot.
But that's not a "real" street, and it's only *half* named after Barks.
> * A two-page article titled "The first steps of a
> story-teller", subtitled
> "Donald Munchh[a]usen...a forgotten script by Carl Barks".
What is this about? Knowing Komix, they probably copied an article from
somewhere else. But I don't remember the forgotten script...
> * Josep Tello Gonzales' "Pintoretto da Riscatto" (D 4471).
> [Despite what
> people say about Tello, I love the way he reproduces Murry's style.]
Hm... Tastes differ...
> Hank Porter's "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs".
> I have this story in a publication produced by Gladstone
> in 1987. Other than an old Gladstone back issues catalog, from
> which I had bought it, I haven't seen this album mentioned anywhere. I
> wonder if it is some kind of rarity. (No, it's not for sale!)
Well, at least the item *is* in Inducks. 8-)
(We call it SWSD 1; Kjell Cron? is a proud owner of a copy.)
--Harry.