>As regards Pratt, the story they mention is "Rhapsodie Tragique", from the
>"As de Pique"
So it was really old one.
>Here's a scan (available for a few days):
>http://bobcat74.free.fr/various/Pratt.jpg
Thanks!
Timo
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Message 121 -
2003-02-07 at 15:37:25
Don Rosa
DCML digest #1246
Message 122 -
2003-02-07 at 16:38:52
From: "Dan Rosenberg" <dortmunder at mad.scientist.com>
Subject: D.U.C.K.
>>>>>I'd like to ask Don Rosa if he continued the DUCK dedications in his
later
stories. I've had real trouble finding any.
I've put the dedications in my stories from the very first one to the
present day, and in all other covers and pin-ups and whatevers starting
about 1990. Now, there have been a few instances when I accidentally left it
out -- my theory is that I placed it during the pencil-stage, but then weeks
later when I entered the inking stage, I breezed right over it without even
noticing it myself, having hid it so well. In any case, there are a very few
instances when it is NOT there, and you shouldn't drive yourself insane
looking for it. But I think it's been years since the dedication did not
appear in one of my stories or covers.
Just name the story in which you can't find the dedication and first I'll
confirm that you should keep looking, then I'll give you some clues, then
I'll flat out spill the beans if you so command.
Subject: D.U.C.K.
>>>>>I'd like to ask Don Rosa if he continued the DUCK dedications in his
later
stories. I've had real trouble finding any.
I've put the dedications in my stories from the very first one to the
present day, and in all other covers and pin-ups and whatevers starting
about 1990. Now, there have been a few instances when I accidentally left it
out -- my theory is that I placed it during the pencil-stage, but then weeks
later when I entered the inking stage, I breezed right over it without even
noticing it myself, having hid it so well. In any case, there are a very few
instances when it is NOT there, and you shouldn't drive yourself insane
looking for it. But I think it's been years since the dedication did not
appear in one of my stories or covers.
Just name the story in which you can't find the dedication and first I'll
confirm that you should keep looking, then I'll give you some clues, then
I'll flat out spill the beans if you so command.
Cord Wiljes
WG: Carl Barks Library
Message 123 -
2003-02-07 at 16:46:03
Mattias Hallin wrote:
> Also, to this day I vividly remember getting the first
> shipment, with (I
> think) the first six volumes to be published (this was how far the
> project had advanced at the moment I decided to buy)... At the post
> office, I picked up an enormous US Post Office canvas sack, heavy as I
> don't know what, which I the proceeded to drag home... But
> oh, the pure
> joy of opening that sack (I'm sure I've still got it tucked away
> somewhere) and getting six CBL volumes out... :-)
I remember first seeing a set of the CBL at the local book shop. I was
priced at 320 DM - which would be around 350 EUR today (inflation
included). I was 14 years old then, knew aboout Barks and already had
some smaller books and many collections reprinting his works. When a saw
the set, I asked the shopkeeper if I could look into it. I was shocked,
when I saw, that it was only in b/w :-O At this price? Times an tastes
change - and so several years later I could appreciate the crystal clear
b/w printings.
I bought my copies of the CBL with my first salary at the army. I
remember that my mother had to drive to the customs office to get the
shipment of 8 sets. The customs officers were curious what the content
of this enormously heavy delivery could be. When my mother told them,
and added that I am such a big Duck fan, some background on carl barks
and that I had bought the Books with my first self-earned money, they
refrained from colecting the 7% sales tax :-)
There is one particular feature of the CBL that is quite remarkable: The
smell! The books have a very distinct, well, stink ;-)
Cord
> Also, to this day I vividly remember getting the first
> shipment, with (I
> think) the first six volumes to be published (this was how far the
> project had advanced at the moment I decided to buy)... At the post
> office, I picked up an enormous US Post Office canvas sack, heavy as I
> don't know what, which I the proceeded to drag home... But
> oh, the pure
> joy of opening that sack (I'm sure I've still got it tucked away
> somewhere) and getting six CBL volumes out... :-)
I remember first seeing a set of the CBL at the local book shop. I was
priced at 320 DM - which would be around 350 EUR today (inflation
included). I was 14 years old then, knew aboout Barks and already had
some smaller books and many collections reprinting his works. When a saw
the set, I asked the shopkeeper if I could look into it. I was shocked,
when I saw, that it was only in b/w :-O At this price? Times an tastes
change - and so several years later I could appreciate the crystal clear
b/w printings.
I bought my copies of the CBL with my first salary at the army. I
remember that my mother had to drive to the customs office to get the
shipment of 8 sets. The customs officers were curious what the content
of this enormously heavy delivery could be. When my mother told them,
and added that I am such a big Duck fan, some background on carl barks
and that I had bought the Books with my first self-earned money, they
refrained from colecting the 7% sales tax :-)
There is one particular feature of the CBL that is quite remarkable: The
smell! The books have a very distinct, well, stink ;-)
Cord
Don Rosa
DCML digest #1245
Message 124 -
2003-02-07 at 17:07:45
From: goofy313g at aol.com
Subject: questions to Don Rosa, ...
>>>>In this publication, bombie's hair is white, so i'm asking a question to
don rosa : in the
two first publications of your story in france, in the illustrations, and in
barks' story,
his hair is black; in all of the publications, scrooge says that it's a
*white* sponge (althought the pictures shows it black or brown)... so, is
the hair intended to be black
or white?
Why do you say Bombie's hair is black in Barks' original story? It was pure
white, white as snow. And that's the same way I made it in my story.
Please don't think that I have the least bit of control over how my stories
are colored. I often suppose that the colorists are familiar with basic
elements of the stories, but as near as I can tell, they are not even
reading the story they are coloring (just as in the instance you mention
above), so if I want *anything* to be colored a particular color, I must
have it written right into the margin of the original art, or it never
happens. (And even then, most colorists will still never add dark or moody
colors to tombs lit by a candle, despite my pleas... still coloring them
like high noon in a desert... that's why I must spend so much extra effort
adding *all* of that cross-hatching,,, if I want a scene to have moody
shading, I must put it there myself in black ink or it won't be there. The
only place they add moody coloring is in the Italian and Greek editions. And
American, of course, when we have any.
>>>Another question to Don : On panel 2, Huey, dewey and louie tell that
gyro has had his
job for 51 yrs... what is the exact number in the original script,
More sabotage, eh? (sigh) What a stupid change to make in the script!!! How
could that be true when the story shows that Donald, not to mention the
Nephews, were *present* in the flashback when Gyro's shop opened! So that
makes Gyro and Donald about 85-90 years old and the nephews are about 65?
Are you certain they made that extraordinary blunder in the script
translation? That might take the cake for the worst one ever.
My original script clearly said that the shop had been open only ONE year.
Slight difference... 1 year as compared to 50. Now it looks like there's
even a translator who doesn't read the story.
Subject: questions to Don Rosa, ...
>>>>In this publication, bombie's hair is white, so i'm asking a question to
don rosa : in the
two first publications of your story in france, in the illustrations, and in
barks' story,
his hair is black; in all of the publications, scrooge says that it's a
*white* sponge (althought the pictures shows it black or brown)... so, is
the hair intended to be black
or white?
Why do you say Bombie's hair is black in Barks' original story? It was pure
white, white as snow. And that's the same way I made it in my story.
Please don't think that I have the least bit of control over how my stories
are colored. I often suppose that the colorists are familiar with basic
elements of the stories, but as near as I can tell, they are not even
reading the story they are coloring (just as in the instance you mention
above), so if I want *anything* to be colored a particular color, I must
have it written right into the margin of the original art, or it never
happens. (And even then, most colorists will still never add dark or moody
colors to tombs lit by a candle, despite my pleas... still coloring them
like high noon in a desert... that's why I must spend so much extra effort
adding *all* of that cross-hatching,,, if I want a scene to have moody
shading, I must put it there myself in black ink or it won't be there. The
only place they add moody coloring is in the Italian and Greek editions. And
American, of course, when we have any.
>>>Another question to Don : On panel 2, Huey, dewey and louie tell that
gyro has had his
job for 51 yrs... what is the exact number in the original script,
More sabotage, eh? (sigh) What a stupid change to make in the script!!! How
could that be true when the story shows that Donald, not to mention the
Nephews, were *present* in the flashback when Gyro's shop opened! So that
makes Gyro and Donald about 85-90 years old and the nephews are about 65?
Are you certain they made that extraordinary blunder in the script
translation? That might take the cake for the worst one ever.
My original script clearly said that the shop had been open only ONE year.
Slight difference... 1 year as compared to 50. Now it looks like there's
even a translator who doesn't read the story.
Kriton Kyrimis
Carl Barks Library
Message 125 -
2003-02-07 at 18:20:40
MATTIAS:
> In comparison, I'm one of those who paid up front for the entire set, and
> then got each volume as it came out...
Same here...
> If my memory serves me, the price
> then, back in the early/mid 1980s, was $810 for the complete CBL vol. I-X,
> shipping to Europe included.
I bought it in the US and, if I remember correctly, this was a discount
price for people who pre-ordered the entire series. Full price was around
$1000 or so.
> Mind you, the dollar then was worth about half what it is now...
(Traces of Paperino Anno 2000!)
Something tells me that prices in the US have not been halved, however!
> At the post
> office, I picked up an enormous US Post Office canvas sack, heavy as I
> don't know what, which I the proceeded to drag home...
For the life of me, I can't remember how the volumes arrived; I must have
been pretty ecstatic to receive them. (The volumes probably arrived at
the university, and I stored them in my office, carrying them home one
by one.)
> But oh, the pure
> joy of opening that sack (I'm sure I've still got it tucked away
> somewhere) and getting six CBL volumes out... :-)
OH, YES! Especially in those days, when many Barks stories had been new
to me, and I had not been tired of all those re-re-re-prints.
My adventures with the CBL went a bit further. When I returned to Greece,
two of the sets were damaged during shipping, with a volume or two missing
from each set, and I had to buy new sets. (Back in 1990, when this had
still been possible.) I also remember that when the last set came out,
it arrived in Athens while I was serving in the army, on the day that I
was being transferred to another outfit. I had to carry the set from a
distant post-office, on, foot, and then take the bus to travel to my new
outfit. When I arrived there, they asked me why my hands were trembling;
it was from having carried that heavy CBL set all morning!
> Ah, memories... :-)
Indeed! :-)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I don't like to contaminate a good story with truth."
-----
> In comparison, I'm one of those who paid up front for the entire set, and
> then got each volume as it came out...
Same here...
> If my memory serves me, the price
> then, back in the early/mid 1980s, was $810 for the complete CBL vol. I-X,
> shipping to Europe included.
I bought it in the US and, if I remember correctly, this was a discount
price for people who pre-ordered the entire series. Full price was around
$1000 or so.
> Mind you, the dollar then was worth about half what it is now...
(Traces of Paperino Anno 2000!)
Something tells me that prices in the US have not been halved, however!
> At the post
> office, I picked up an enormous US Post Office canvas sack, heavy as I
> don't know what, which I the proceeded to drag home...
For the life of me, I can't remember how the volumes arrived; I must have
been pretty ecstatic to receive them. (The volumes probably arrived at
the university, and I stored them in my office, carrying them home one
by one.)
> But oh, the pure
> joy of opening that sack (I'm sure I've still got it tucked away
> somewhere) and getting six CBL volumes out... :-)
OH, YES! Especially in those days, when many Barks stories had been new
to me, and I had not been tired of all those re-re-re-prints.
My adventures with the CBL went a bit further. When I returned to Greece,
two of the sets were damaged during shipping, with a volume or two missing
from each set, and I had to buy new sets. (Back in 1990, when this had
still been possible.) I also remember that when the last set came out,
it arrived in Athens while I was serving in the army, on the day that I
was being transferred to another outfit. I had to carry the set from a
distant post-office, on, foot, and then take the bus to travel to my new
outfit. When I arrived there, they asked me why my hands were trembling;
it was from having carried that heavy CBL set all morning!
> Ah, memories... :-)
Indeed! :-)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I don't like to contaminate a good story with truth."
-----
Mateusz Lis
Giada Perissinotto
Message 126 -
2003-02-07 at 22:22:35
Hi all,
I just found this advertisement:
http://www.serwis-komiksowy.pl/reklama_witch2.jpg
According to this advertisement, Giada Perissinotto, W.I.T.C.H. artist, will
be in Poland on 16th March. Did she draw other Disney stories
(non-W.I.T.C.H.)?
Best wishes,
lis
I just found this advertisement:
http://www.serwis-komiksowy.pl/reklama_witch2.jpg
According to this advertisement, Giada Perissinotto, W.I.T.C.H. artist, will
be in Poland on 16th March. Did she draw other Disney stories
(non-W.I.T.C.H.)?
Best wishes,
lis
Stefan Persson
Giada Perissinotto
Message 127 -
2003-02-07 at 22:42:08
mateusz lis wrote:
>According to this advertisement, Giada Perissinotto, W.I.T.C.H. artist, will
>be in Poland on 16th March. Did she draw other Disney stories
>(non-W.I.T.C.H.)?
>
>
Yes, which is explained in I.N.D.U.C.K.S. However, it seems that
neither Fran?ois Willot's COA nor Per Starb?ck's DCML sites are working
for the moment, so I've uploaded an index of her stories at
http://www.geocities.com/perissinotto_index/index.html. All data is
taken from I.N.D.U.C.K.S., and I *do* hope that the usual COA and DCML
sites will be back to work soon again.
BTW, the e-mail address at the bottom of that page is Harry's *old*
address; it was recently changed.
HARRY: Will you correct that?
Stefan
>According to this advertisement, Giada Perissinotto, W.I.T.C.H. artist, will
>be in Poland on 16th March. Did she draw other Disney stories
>(non-W.I.T.C.H.)?
>
>
Yes, which is explained in I.N.D.U.C.K.S. However, it seems that
neither Fran?ois Willot's COA nor Per Starb?ck's DCML sites are working
for the moment, so I've uploaded an index of her stories at
http://www.geocities.com/perissinotto_index/index.html. All data is
taken from I.N.D.U.C.K.S., and I *do* hope that the usual COA and DCML
sites will be back to work soon again.
BTW, the e-mail address at the bottom of that page is Harry's *old*
address; it was recently changed.
HARRY: Will you correct that?
Stefan
Dan Rosenberg
D.U.C.K.
Message 128 -
2003-02-07 at 23:06:42
I was reading several of your stories last night. I hadn't read "Last Sled To Dawson" in a
while and was looking for the D.U.C.K. in the LEAST obvious place only to find it in the MOST
obvious, much to my shagrin (it was late and my eyes were threatening a strike).
But then two others stumped me. First, one of my favorites, "The Treasure Of The Ten
Avatars." Now, I think I found it in the first panel, but only the first three letters (in the water
ripples, yes no?). Somehow the "K" went missing. Then in "Nobody's Business" I couldn't find it
at all. Maybe I shouldn't look for these things when I'm reading in bed at night, I lost a little
sleep. Heh.-Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Rosa" <donrosa at iglou.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:38:52 -0500
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Subject: Re: DCML digest #1246
Re: From: "Dan Rosenberg" <dortmunder at mad.scientist.com>
Re: Subject: D.U.C.K.
Re: >>>>>I'd like to ask Don Rosa if he continued the DUCK dedications in his
Re: later
Re: stories. I've had real trouble finding any.
Re:
Re: I've put the dedications in my stories from the very first one to the
Re: present day, and in all other covers and pin-ups and whatevers starting
Re: about 1990. Now, there have been a few instances when I accidentally left it
Re: out -- my theory is that I placed it during the pencil-stage, but then weeks
Re: later when I entered the inking stage, I breezed right over it without even
Re: noticing it myself, having hid it so well. In any case, there are a very few
Re: instances when it is NOT there, and you shouldn't drive yourself insane
Re: looking for it. But I think it's been years since the dedication did not
Re: appear in one of my stories or covers.
Re: Just name the story in which you can't find the dedication and first I'll
Re: confirm that you should keep looking, then I'll give you some clues, then
Re: I'll flat out spill the beans if you so command.
Re:
Re: _______________________________________________
Re: http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
Re:
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while and was looking for the D.U.C.K. in the LEAST obvious place only to find it in the MOST
obvious, much to my shagrin (it was late and my eyes were threatening a strike).
But then two others stumped me. First, one of my favorites, "The Treasure Of The Ten
Avatars." Now, I think I found it in the first panel, but only the first three letters (in the water
ripples, yes no?). Somehow the "K" went missing. Then in "Nobody's Business" I couldn't find it
at all. Maybe I shouldn't look for these things when I'm reading in bed at night, I lost a little
sleep. Heh.-Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Rosa" <donrosa at iglou.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:38:52 -0500
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Subject: Re: DCML digest #1246
Re: From: "Dan Rosenberg" <dortmunder at mad.scientist.com>
Re: Subject: D.U.C.K.
Re: >>>>>I'd like to ask Don Rosa if he continued the DUCK dedications in his
Re: later
Re: stories. I've had real trouble finding any.
Re:
Re: I've put the dedications in my stories from the very first one to the
Re: present day, and in all other covers and pin-ups and whatevers starting
Re: about 1990. Now, there have been a few instances when I accidentally left it
Re: out -- my theory is that I placed it during the pencil-stage, but then weeks
Re: later when I entered the inking stage, I breezed right over it without even
Re: noticing it myself, having hid it so well. In any case, there are a very few
Re: instances when it is NOT there, and you shouldn't drive yourself insane
Re: looking for it. But I think it's been years since the dedication did not
Re: appear in one of my stories or covers.
Re: Just name the story in which you can't find the dedication and first I'll
Re: confirm that you should keep looking, then I'll give you some clues, then
Re: I'll flat out spill the beans if you so command.
Re:
Re: _______________________________________________
Re: http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
Re:
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Mateusz Lis
Giada Perissinotto
Message 129 -
2003-02-07 at 23:12:28
> Yes, which is explained in I.N.D.U.C.K.S. However, it seems that
> neither Fran?ois Willot's COA nor Per Starb?ck's DCML sites are working
> for the moment, so I've uploaded an index of her stories at
> http://www.geocities.com/perissinotto_index/index.html. All data is
> taken from I.N.D.U.C.K.S., and I *do* hope that the usual COA and DCML
> sites will be back to work soon again.
Thank you very much, Stefan!
I'm wondering upon going to Warsaw on 16th March. Visit of Disney artist
here in Poland is a very rare event :-(
Best wishes,
lis
> neither Fran?ois Willot's COA nor Per Starb?ck's DCML sites are working
> for the moment, so I've uploaded an index of her stories at
> http://www.geocities.com/perissinotto_index/index.html. All data is
> taken from I.N.D.U.C.K.S., and I *do* hope that the usual COA and DCML
> sites will be back to work soon again.
Thank you very much, Stefan!
I'm wondering upon going to Warsaw on 16th March. Visit of Disney artist
here in Poland is a very rare event :-(
Best wishes,
lis
Danehog
Convention Appearances
Message 130 -
2003-02-08 at 04:26:02
In a message dated 2/7/2003 4:15:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, lis- at wp.pl
writes:
> I'm wondering upon going to Warsaw on 16th March. Visit of Disney artist
> here in Poland is a very rare event :-(
Sorry to hear that. It's rare seeing Disney artists in this area as well, but
I did manage to meet Don Rosa at the Motor City Comic Book Convention back in
October.
After signing so many posters and books, I wonder if all the guests start to
look identical...
--
Dane
(I'm American. Not Danish.
Really. That's my name.
I'm serious.)
writes:
> I'm wondering upon going to Warsaw on 16th March. Visit of Disney artist
> here in Poland is a very rare event :-(
Sorry to hear that. It's rare seeing Disney artists in this area as well, but
I did manage to meet Don Rosa at the Motor City Comic Book Convention back in
October.
After signing so many posters and books, I wonder if all the guests start to
look identical...
--
Dane
(I'm American. Not Danish.
Really. That's my name.
I'm serious.)
Olaf
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1247 - 13 msgs
Message 131 -
2003-02-08 at 13:40:41
Quoting dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se:
DON ROSA WROTE:
> More sabotage, eh? (sigh) What a stupid change to make in the script!!! How
> could that be true when the story shows that Donald, not to mention the
> Nephews, were *present* in the flashback when Gyro's shop opened! So that
> makes Gyro and Donald about 85-90 years old and the nephews are about 65?
> Are you certain they made that extraordinary blunder in the script
> translation? That might take the cake for the worst one ever.
> My original script clearly said that the shop had been open only ONE year.
> Slight difference... 1 year as compared to 50. Now it looks like there's
> even a translator who doesn't read the story.
OLAF SOLSTRAND REPLIES:
This is not a (an?) unique French phenomenon. Happens all the time in Norway. In "Gyro's first invention", they did actually not say that his shop were 50 years old - but they didn't say that it was _one_ year old either. A nephew says "it's his anniversary today" or something like that, but that is all. No number of years is mentioned.
Still, blunders like the one mentioned above have been done alot here. I remember that for Easter 2001, Donald Duck & Co made a magazine containing "Land of the Pygmy Indians" and "War of the Wendigo". It also had an additional article (by Erik H?rthe), and after explaining the excitement of the Barks story, the article continues with "40 years later, Scrooge and his nephews return to..." Same problem.
However, the most moronic translation I have seen was a Dutch story printed in Donald Duck & Co in 2001 or 2002. Unfortunately I don't remember who wrote it, but in the story Scrooge tells Huey, Dewey and Louie stories from his youth. In the first frame he shows them a coin, telling that "I made this coin when I was digging for gold in Klondike". The nephews are amazed: "Then it must be more than a hundred years old!" Bah, humbug!
Well, they have a dilemma. Scrooge is a spry man, 80-90 years old. If the publisher wants to, they can say that the story takes place in 2003. Sure - I don't like it, but that's _their_ choice, and to many readers that is the natural guess, as nothing else is mentioned anyway (like it was in the good old Asterix albums). However, if Scrooge is 80-90 years old in 2003, he _can't_ have participated in the gold rush in 1897! This _is_ a big dilemma, but the publishers (at least my local ones) choose to not care about this and say that the characters live eternally. And ka-boom - suddenly Donald and Scrooge live in Peter Pan's Never-Ever-land.
I often ask people the question "If Scrooge never dies, why does he worry about what will happen to his money after his death? And why doesn't Donald find it a little strange that until 1934 he was just an average man, but after that he hasn't aged a day?"
_______________________
Olaf Solstrand
www.andebyonline.com
DON ROSA WROTE:
> More sabotage, eh? (sigh) What a stupid change to make in the script!!! How
> could that be true when the story shows that Donald, not to mention the
> Nephews, were *present* in the flashback when Gyro's shop opened! So that
> makes Gyro and Donald about 85-90 years old and the nephews are about 65?
> Are you certain they made that extraordinary blunder in the script
> translation? That might take the cake for the worst one ever.
> My original script clearly said that the shop had been open only ONE year.
> Slight difference... 1 year as compared to 50. Now it looks like there's
> even a translator who doesn't read the story.
OLAF SOLSTRAND REPLIES:
This is not a (an?) unique French phenomenon. Happens all the time in Norway. In "Gyro's first invention", they did actually not say that his shop were 50 years old - but they didn't say that it was _one_ year old either. A nephew says "it's his anniversary today" or something like that, but that is all. No number of years is mentioned.
Still, blunders like the one mentioned above have been done alot here. I remember that for Easter 2001, Donald Duck & Co made a magazine containing "Land of the Pygmy Indians" and "War of the Wendigo". It also had an additional article (by Erik H?rthe), and after explaining the excitement of the Barks story, the article continues with "40 years later, Scrooge and his nephews return to..." Same problem.
However, the most moronic translation I have seen was a Dutch story printed in Donald Duck & Co in 2001 or 2002. Unfortunately I don't remember who wrote it, but in the story Scrooge tells Huey, Dewey and Louie stories from his youth. In the first frame he shows them a coin, telling that "I made this coin when I was digging for gold in Klondike". The nephews are amazed: "Then it must be more than a hundred years old!" Bah, humbug!
Well, they have a dilemma. Scrooge is a spry man, 80-90 years old. If the publisher wants to, they can say that the story takes place in 2003. Sure - I don't like it, but that's _their_ choice, and to many readers that is the natural guess, as nothing else is mentioned anyway (like it was in the good old Asterix albums). However, if Scrooge is 80-90 years old in 2003, he _can't_ have participated in the gold rush in 1897! This _is_ a big dilemma, but the publishers (at least my local ones) choose to not care about this and say that the characters live eternally. And ka-boom - suddenly Donald and Scrooge live in Peter Pan's Never-Ever-land.
I often ask people the question "If Scrooge never dies, why does he worry about what will happen to his money after his death? And why doesn't Donald find it a little strange that until 1934 he was just an average man, but after that he hasn't aged a day?"
_______________________
Olaf Solstrand
www.andebyonline.com
Goofy313g
Bombie's hair and other colors, French translations...
Message 132 -
2003-02-08 at 14:20:52
Hi!
DON ROSA:
>>> Why do you say Bombie's hair is black in Barks' original story?
Sorry, I meant, "in the french publication of that story"
>>> More sabotage, eh? (sigh)
Indeed! makes me think that i'd love to work as the French translator
of Disney stories. Do somebody know if it requires some special studies
or graduations? they need a real Disney comics fan for this job, not a
simple guy who even doesn't keep the same names from a story to another...
This is the exact French translation : (the nephew at the left says:) "Il
y a *51* ans qu'il exerce son m?tier d'inventeur! j'avais presque oubli?!"
It's weird, because PM sometimes recognizes Don Rosa's theories and his time
line, and sometimes, they do as if it was to be included in the weird-magic-timeless-logicless-stupid Disney comics universe... This makes me
think about the french version of another story of Don Rosa in which we can
read, on the destinations board in the airport, "Mickeyville" (Mouseton), a
decision of the translator, not a decision of Don Rosa, as he chose to ignore
the existence of this city...
OLIVIER:
>>> The coloring is indeed of the "Bleeeeeuuuuuuargh" sort-- especially the sick
>>> brownish-greenish-whateverish thing that recurs throughout.
Yes! and not only the colors are ugly, even the ink is strangely put on the papaer,
i don't know how to describe this, it's like when you draw with a ink pen on a wet
paper... I heard that instead of hiring professionals, they ask the people who also
sell them the papaer to deal with the colors and the printing too, and so they have
a special price... they'd better publish the stories in Black and White!!! Why don't
they hire the same colorists that Mickey Parade's? they are fine!!!
Bye!!!
Gilles
DON ROSA:
>>> Why do you say Bombie's hair is black in Barks' original story?
Sorry, I meant, "in the french publication of that story"
>>> More sabotage, eh? (sigh)
Indeed! makes me think that i'd love to work as the French translator
of Disney stories. Do somebody know if it requires some special studies
or graduations? they need a real Disney comics fan for this job, not a
simple guy who even doesn't keep the same names from a story to another...
This is the exact French translation : (the nephew at the left says:) "Il
y a *51* ans qu'il exerce son m?tier d'inventeur! j'avais presque oubli?!"
It's weird, because PM sometimes recognizes Don Rosa's theories and his time
line, and sometimes, they do as if it was to be included in the weird-magic-timeless-logicless-stupid Disney comics universe... This makes me
think about the french version of another story of Don Rosa in which we can
read, on the destinations board in the airport, "Mickeyville" (Mouseton), a
decision of the translator, not a decision of Don Rosa, as he chose to ignore
the existence of this city...
OLIVIER:
>>> The coloring is indeed of the "Bleeeeeuuuuuuargh" sort-- especially the sick
>>> brownish-greenish-whateverish thing that recurs throughout.
Yes! and not only the colors are ugly, even the ink is strangely put on the papaer,
i don't know how to describe this, it's like when you draw with a ink pen on a wet
paper... I heard that instead of hiring professionals, they ask the people who also
sell them the papaer to deal with the colors and the printing too, and so they have
a special price... they'd better publish the stories in Black and White!!! Why don't
they hire the same colorists that Mickey Parade's? they are fine!!!
Bye!!!
Gilles
Olivier
New PM, questions to Don Rosa / French translations
Message 133 -
2003-02-08 at 14:59:54
Hello!
Gilles:
>>> *and surprise... Gyro's first invention, by Don rosa. too bad the colors are ugly. The story
>>> is great! congratulations, unca'keno!!! Some observations about the french translation :
Shacktown, althought
>>>it had been called shacktown or pauvreville (poorville) in french translations of barks' story,
is here called
>>>"bidonville". Helper is not called Filament, but Assistant, the french word for the noun
*helper*.
Well, "bidonville" is the actual translation of "shacktown". Was the name "Shacktown" kept in one
French version?
"Pauvreville" has a nicer ring to it. The problem is: how was the place called in the previous
translation? If they keep changing the name, it gets confusing, especially as the note only refers
to issue numbers (Journal de Mickey & Picsou Magazine) rather than a title.
As for Helper, they couldn't, uh, help calling him anything else than "assistant" in French, then
baptizing him Filament-- from your sentence one might think they changed his French name.
And yes, the coloring is yucky. Gyro always looks like he's stuck his beak in mud; I, understand the
colorist tried to make his beak a different hue to further mark the difference in species with the
ducks; maybe in fact his original coloring was subtler but the printer converted it to the closest
brownish color (though I very much doubt such a magazine as PM is limited in its range of colors);
anyway, Gyro looks dirty-- and we're lucky he his "hair" is yellow, not dirty yellow.
>>>> Another question to Don : On panel 2, Huey, dewey and louie tell that gyro has had his
>>>> job for 51 yrs... what is the exact number in the original script, and how does Don
>>>> Rosa you explain this? (according to your theory, it cannot be true).
Keno Don Rosa:
>>Are you certain they made that extraordinary blunder in the script
>>translation? That might take the cake for the worst one ever.
>>My original script clearly said that the shop had been open only ONE year.
>>Slight difference... 1 year as compared to 50. Now it looks like there's
>>even a translator who doesn't read the story.
Hilarious! Well, not really, no-- but still, funny, to a certain degree.
Here's what Huey (or is it Dewey? or Louie?) says:
"He's been an inventor for 51 years! I had almost forgotten!"
A note (at the bottom of the panel) explains:
"Gyro's first appearance: May 1952"
Thank you very much for this "new" story!
I love it.
I love the way (the Rosa way) everything ties in & fits together perfectly and the logic of it all:
how Scrooge's money was salvaged, the creation of Helper (in several stages), and the
side-references-- which this time are more than in-jokes and play an important part. Lots of fun
too.
I particularly like "lamp gag page" (in Gyro's workshop-- page 7)-- very nice. Elegant, actually:
simple, dramatic, funny; a very fine page of comic story-telling, in my humble opinion.
Seeing Fulton (and the reference to Ratchet) was nice. So Gyro's full first name would be "Gregory",
right? I had never thought of it.
Gilles:
>>>Indeed! makes me think that i'd love to work as the French translator
>>>of Disney stories. Do somebody know if it requires some special studies
>>>or graduations? they need a real Disney comics fan for this job, not a
>>>simple guy who even doesn't keep the same names from a story to another...
I have no idea who does their translations, whether they hire translators or just go around the
office asking "Hey, d'you speak English? Here, translate this! You can say "thank you in Swedish?
Translate this!"
Good sense would dictate hiring a bona fide translator for each language, someone who has truly
studied the language; not merely learned to speak, but how it works, the linguistics of it, someone
who understnads the cultural references, idioms, colloquialisms, ...
In this particular instance, it's not even a matter of knowing the comics or mastering the
language; as has already been pointed out, it looks like they are not paying attention, not actually
reading-- hence such incongruities as the ten year old nephews witnessing events that supposedly
occurred 51 years ago.
It's just like those dreadful pseudo-translations of movies & TV series, where they systematically
(99.99% of the time) make the same gross mistakes: "compass" becomes "a pair of compasses" instead
of "boussole" ("compass" being similar to the French for "a pair of compasses", "compas"), and
20+ students still go to (grammar) school rather college (because those so-called translators don't
know that "college" means "university" and not school).
*sigh*
Fortunately, we will soon all be able to read those stories with their original English text! :) :)
:)
Best wishes,
Olivier
Gilles:
>>> *and surprise... Gyro's first invention, by Don rosa. too bad the colors are ugly. The story
>>> is great! congratulations, unca'keno!!! Some observations about the french translation :
Shacktown, althought
>>>it had been called shacktown or pauvreville (poorville) in french translations of barks' story,
is here called
>>>"bidonville". Helper is not called Filament, but Assistant, the french word for the noun
*helper*.
Well, "bidonville" is the actual translation of "shacktown". Was the name "Shacktown" kept in one
French version?
"Pauvreville" has a nicer ring to it. The problem is: how was the place called in the previous
translation? If they keep changing the name, it gets confusing, especially as the note only refers
to issue numbers (Journal de Mickey & Picsou Magazine) rather than a title.
As for Helper, they couldn't, uh, help calling him anything else than "assistant" in French, then
baptizing him Filament-- from your sentence one might think they changed his French name.
And yes, the coloring is yucky. Gyro always looks like he's stuck his beak in mud; I, understand the
colorist tried to make his beak a different hue to further mark the difference in species with the
ducks; maybe in fact his original coloring was subtler but the printer converted it to the closest
brownish color (though I very much doubt such a magazine as PM is limited in its range of colors);
anyway, Gyro looks dirty-- and we're lucky he his "hair" is yellow, not dirty yellow.
>>>> Another question to Don : On panel 2, Huey, dewey and louie tell that gyro has had his
>>>> job for 51 yrs... what is the exact number in the original script, and how does Don
>>>> Rosa you explain this? (according to your theory, it cannot be true).
Keno Don Rosa:
>>Are you certain they made that extraordinary blunder in the script
>>translation? That might take the cake for the worst one ever.
>>My original script clearly said that the shop had been open only ONE year.
>>Slight difference... 1 year as compared to 50. Now it looks like there's
>>even a translator who doesn't read the story.
Hilarious! Well, not really, no-- but still, funny, to a certain degree.
Here's what Huey (or is it Dewey? or Louie?) says:
"He's been an inventor for 51 years! I had almost forgotten!"
A note (at the bottom of the panel) explains:
"Gyro's first appearance: May 1952"
Thank you very much for this "new" story!
I love it.
I love the way (the Rosa way) everything ties in & fits together perfectly and the logic of it all:
how Scrooge's money was salvaged, the creation of Helper (in several stages), and the
side-references-- which this time are more than in-jokes and play an important part. Lots of fun
too.
I particularly like "lamp gag page" (in Gyro's workshop-- page 7)-- very nice. Elegant, actually:
simple, dramatic, funny; a very fine page of comic story-telling, in my humble opinion.
Seeing Fulton (and the reference to Ratchet) was nice. So Gyro's full first name would be "Gregory",
right? I had never thought of it.
Gilles:
>>>Indeed! makes me think that i'd love to work as the French translator
>>>of Disney stories. Do somebody know if it requires some special studies
>>>or graduations? they need a real Disney comics fan for this job, not a
>>>simple guy who even doesn't keep the same names from a story to another...
I have no idea who does their translations, whether they hire translators or just go around the
office asking "Hey, d'you speak English? Here, translate this! You can say "thank you in Swedish?
Translate this!"
Good sense would dictate hiring a bona fide translator for each language, someone who has truly
studied the language; not merely learned to speak, but how it works, the linguistics of it, someone
who understnads the cultural references, idioms, colloquialisms, ...
In this particular instance, it's not even a matter of knowing the comics or mastering the
language; as has already been pointed out, it looks like they are not paying attention, not actually
reading-- hence such incongruities as the ten year old nephews witnessing events that supposedly
occurred 51 years ago.
It's just like those dreadful pseudo-translations of movies & TV series, where they systematically
(99.99% of the time) make the same gross mistakes: "compass" becomes "a pair of compasses" instead
of "boussole" ("compass" being similar to the French for "a pair of compasses", "compas"), and
20+ students still go to (grammar) school rather college (because those so-called translators don't
know that "college" means "university" and not school).
*sigh*
Fortunately, we will soon all be able to read those stories with their original English text! :) :)
:)
Best wishes,
Olivier
Don Rosa
DCML digest #1247
Message 134 -
2003-02-08 at 15:47:29
From: "Dan Rosenberg" <dortmunder at mad.scientist.com>
Subject: Re: D.U.C.K.
>>>>I was reading several of your stories last night. I hadn't read "Last
Sled To Dawson" in a
while and was looking for the D.U.C.K. in the LEAST obvious place only to
find it in the MOST
obvious,
That depends on which published version of the story you're looking at. In
many, the dedication was removed -- that's why I started HIDING it in the
first panel rather than just writing it.
>>>>>But then two others stumped me. First, one of my favorites, "The
Treasure Of The Ten
Avatars." Now, I think I found it in the first panel, but only the first
three letters (in the water
ripples, yes no?). Somehow the "K" went missing.
No, it's right there in line. You must be looking at it if you found the
rest. The 'K' is right in line after the 'C'... it's written sideways (as
are all the letters) and the top of the 'K' touches the panel border. And
there's still a bubble in the water to form the '.' as there always is after
each letter.
>>>Then in "Nobody's Business" I couldn't find it
Again, it depends on what edition you're looking at. This was the second
story I'd ever done, and at the time, "Son of the Sun" had not yet been
published and I did not know that Disney would order the dedication removed
from where I had it written in the *last* (not first) panel of the story
looking suspiciously like a forbidden *signature*! Still, it appeared in
place in the Norwegian edition of that story a few years later. I had also
written it into the *final* panel of "Nobody's Business" but it was written
on a comic book cover like a title and I guess that fooled the brilliant
Disney inspectors, so they didn't say anything. But it was still removed in
certain foreign editions. The dedication was also written into the final
panel of "Mythological Menagerie", but was not hidden and was therefore
ordered removed. I then started writing it in the *first* panel rather than
the last, and I was trying to write it less obviously, as in "Last Sled",
but that didn't help. So I finally decided to hide the dedication from the
eyes of the "censors", and that has *usually* but not always worked. I must
hide it *well* because Egmont has people who sit and study the art sent in
by artists and white-out any lettering, even single individual letters, that
they spot anywhere in the art.
Subject: Re: D.U.C.K.
>>>>I was reading several of your stories last night. I hadn't read "Last
Sled To Dawson" in a
while and was looking for the D.U.C.K. in the LEAST obvious place only to
find it in the MOST
obvious,
That depends on which published version of the story you're looking at. In
many, the dedication was removed -- that's why I started HIDING it in the
first panel rather than just writing it.
>>>>>But then two others stumped me. First, one of my favorites, "The
Treasure Of The Ten
Avatars." Now, I think I found it in the first panel, but only the first
three letters (in the water
ripples, yes no?). Somehow the "K" went missing.
No, it's right there in line. You must be looking at it if you found the
rest. The 'K' is right in line after the 'C'... it's written sideways (as
are all the letters) and the top of the 'K' touches the panel border. And
there's still a bubble in the water to form the '.' as there always is after
each letter.
>>>Then in "Nobody's Business" I couldn't find it
Again, it depends on what edition you're looking at. This was the second
story I'd ever done, and at the time, "Son of the Sun" had not yet been
published and I did not know that Disney would order the dedication removed
from where I had it written in the *last* (not first) panel of the story
looking suspiciously like a forbidden *signature*! Still, it appeared in
place in the Norwegian edition of that story a few years later. I had also
written it into the *final* panel of "Nobody's Business" but it was written
on a comic book cover like a title and I guess that fooled the brilliant
Disney inspectors, so they didn't say anything. But it was still removed in
certain foreign editions. The dedication was also written into the final
panel of "Mythological Menagerie", but was not hidden and was therefore
ordered removed. I then started writing it in the *first* panel rather than
the last, and I was trying to write it less obviously, as in "Last Sled",
but that didn't help. So I finally decided to hide the dedication from the
eyes of the "censors", and that has *usually* but not always worked. I must
hide it *well* because Egmont has people who sit and study the art sent in
by artists and white-out any lettering, even single individual letters, that
they spot anywhere in the art.
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Picsoum Magazine su...
Message 135 -
2003-02-08 at 16:05:04
Hi all!
It's abviously true, as some of mye friends
has stated in private e-mail, that less bright
people now has taken over the Picsou Magazine.
The scan I just recieved of the upper half of
page 11 of "Gyro's First Invention" belongs
to the serial version of this story and not
the singe-part version as it normally would
have! The French readers and other Rosa-fans
are thus being cheated by these #?%& id*****
So you're completely right Don, when you
complains that many publishers don't care a
damn about your work and about your fans!
I hope there are other more bright publisher's
out there so that we can also see the single-
part version in print someday!
Sigvald
It's abviously true, as some of mye friends
has stated in private e-mail, that less bright
people now has taken over the Picsou Magazine.
The scan I just recieved of the upper half of
page 11 of "Gyro's First Invention" belongs
to the serial version of this story and not
the singe-part version as it normally would
have! The French readers and other Rosa-fans
are thus being cheated by these #?%& id*****
So you're completely right Don, when you
complains that many publishers don't care a
damn about your work and about your fans!
I hope there are other more bright publisher's
out there so that we can also see the single-
part version in print someday!
Sigvald