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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl wrote:

> The 3 Caballeros story was split up as 14+14,
> instead of 9+10+9.
> The crusaders story was also 14+14, instead
> of 10+10+8.

Aha, very interesting. I think you should tell
us more abou this, as this is a *very* interesting
topic for our Danish friend AC Siveb?k, who is
responisble for the "The Two Worlds of Don Rosa"
section of D.U.C.K.hunt. Can you please tell us
how the Dutch publisher has arranged the summary
panels. Has Don Rosa made extra art for them or
have some one else, like Mau Heymans, done that,
or what?

Sigvald :-)
Don Rosa
From: Eero-Pekka Halinen (e_halinen at hotmail.com)
>>>I bet you all know, but I don't (and that is why I ask): How much does
byrocracy slow the process in wich the stories from e. g Don Rosa get from
his table to Aku Ankka for me to read?

Again I'll make fun of an error in English (so that one person can again
think I'm being rude -- go ahead)... is "byrocracy" the interference by my
editor Byron? Yeah, I get that a lot!
Oh, you mean bureaucracy?
The Finns use as many of my stories as possible as soon as they can do so.
In the case of the last few stories, these were delayed a bit due to my
so-called (by others) "strike". "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut" was delayed
a bit, but "A Dream of a Lifetime" was delayed until I was ready to draw a
cover and write a text to accompany the story. No "bureaucracy" is delaying
my stories... the only thing is my slow pace, even when I'm working full
time. These incredibly detailed eyeball-aching stories can't be whipped out
fast, especially not by someone with such an utter lack of proper training
as me!

>>> And how long does this take nowadays
when Rosa's stories are published (I think) ASAP?

At least 4-6 months. 6 months is standard. At 4 months they are really
rushing it through. But consider this: due to my "strike", I just sent the
next story after "Dream" off to Egmont this week -- that means it will be
4-6 months before you see it. Nothing in between. But you'll see it
*especially* in Finland as fast as they can get to it.

>>>And Rosa, you wouldn't take a plot for a story from anybody who sent you
one, even if it was REAL good?

I actually always plead with people NOT to send me stories! There are many
reasons for this. First of all, I can't pay for them, I can't afford to
share the fee I am paid (which is small enough due to my slow pace), but
also I am not the guy who buys stories -- that's the editor. And they don't
buy ideas, they only buy scripts. I can't take an idea for free -- first of
all it's not fair, secondly there's always *a chance*, especially
considering the fact that this is Disney stuff and people love a target like
Disney, that the person who says the idea is mine "for free" will later
decide that somebody cheated him and try to sue somebody. But thirdly, the
laws say that any idea or script or ANYTHING that is sent to me unsolicited,
sent to me without me ASKING for it, is MY PROPERTY. I don't have to pay for
it. I would never do that to somebody, but I don't want the whole unhappy
situation to come up.
In the case referred to here, a French reader sent me a two-sentence plot
idea, unsolicited. But I could see it was SO GOOD that I couldn't ignore it.
So I "paid" the party for the idea by "mutual agreement" (not involving
$$$), and also told him that I would *always* give him credit for the idea.
However, for reasons of his own, he did not want his name mentioned, but
would be happy if his initials were hidden in the splash panel... "F.S.M.".
Anyway, PLEASE don't send me any ideas! Not that I don't think I could use a
good one now and then, but it just can't work that way, not 100% safely and
100% happily. Send your ideas to the editors.

>>>I'm going to Paris soon. I guess I can get the local Duck-weeklies from
any
kiosk or so?

The French don't have weekly Duck comics like the rest of Europe -- they
have a weekly JOURNAL DE MICKY which is pretty juvenile and has not so many
comics (at least not the few I've seen). But they have the monthly PICSOU
(Uncle $crooge) magazine (that almost always has only Donald as the lone
cover figure). And you'll find PICSOU on every French newsstand. I even
found it on the single magazine rack on the French island of Bora Bora in
the South Pacific! (It's quite fun to know that the natives on tiny, remote
Bora Bora are reading my Duck stories under the palm trees next to the
encircling reef-rimmed lagoon!)(Bora Bora is the island which was the model
for the island in Barks' Christmas-volcano story.)
Gabriella Rizzo
--- Paolo Castagno <p.castagno at libero.it> wrote:
> Any other DCMLers will attend the Napoli convention?
> (I'll be there!)

I will try. Living in Rome, Napoli is the nearest
place I can see again Mr. Rosa.... Kentucky is a
little out of reach for me...

Gabriella

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Martin Kristensen
Don rosa said this in #1275

>>At least 4-6 months. 6 months is standard. At 4 months they are really
>>rushing it through. But consider this: due to my "strike", I just >>sent
>>the
>>next story after "Dream" off to Egmont this week -- that means it >>will
>>be
>>4-6 months before you see it. Nothing in between. But you'll see it
>>*especially* in Finland as fast as they can get to it.

I would like to ask this: What will this next story be about ?

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M.J. Prior
Sigvald wrote:
> Can you please tell us how the Dutch publisher has arranged the
> summary panels. Has Don Rosa made extra art for them or have some
> one else, like Mau Heymans, done that, or what?

Ha! Can you imagine the Dutch publisher asking Don Rosa to do some
extra art for them? After all what's been said about their attitude to Rosa
and his stories? Nay, the recap pages in the last two mini-comics
('Caballeros' & 'Crusader Kings') are just plain text-pages illustrated
with panels (no new art) clipped from the first part of the story. And
neither did they change the art of page 15 to make it look like a recap
page. What they *did* change, however, was the size of the text-
balloons. Apparently Don's texts are too large too fit in the balloons of a
shrunken comic, so they fabricated new, larger balloons and pasted
them over the original art. I think these balloons must be computer-
generated, since they aren't placed neatly into the art, but with parts of
the original balloons still showing. The straight outlines of some new
balloons are sometimes not put straight to the panel outlines, thereby
creating the impression of a 'double panel outline'. Looks awful.

One good thing about these mini-comics: the cover they used for the
'Caballeros'-story was *Don's original cover*. As far as I know this is
the only time the Dutch editors ever used an original Rosa-cover.
(For Donald Duck Extra and Oom Dagobert they mostly use retraced
Rosa-covers.)

Michiel Prior.
H.W.Fluks
Sigvald:

> I think you should tell us more abou this

I don't think I should do that.
Michiel already did it. 8-)

Michiel:

> One good thing about these mini-comics: the cover they used for the
> 'Caballeros'-story was *Don's original cover*. As far as I
> know this is
> the only time the Dutch editors ever used an original Rosa-cover.
> (For Donald Duck Extra and Oom Dagobert they mostly use retraced
> Rosa-covers.)

Yes, but for the *interior* illustrations in the Oom Dagobert albums,
they often used colour photocopies of Don's original drawings (covers
for Gladstone and illustrations for France).

--Harry.
Ari Seppi
[Petri sent his reply to me privately but it was clearly meant for the list so
I reply here.]

Petri:
>ARI:
> >After checking Inducks I found out that another story in the series
> >has been published here (I TL 906-A, Roope-set? 154). Hmm... I'll
> >have to read that the next time I visit my collection.
>The third part has also been published here. Check Aku Ankan taskukirja 74
>and the story "Kadonnut aasi" (I TL 909-A).

Really? I'm getting more interested, the connections between the
parts seem to be quite loose then (or I haven't read the stories
very carefully not noticing them).

--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Rob Wilson
This information was just sent out in the Scoop newsletter from Diamond
Comics. The original article, including graphics of the cover for WDC&S #634
can be found at this address...

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=2011&si=121

Enjoy -

Rob

-----------------------------------------
Industry News, Scoop, Saturday, March 01, 2003

"We are currently on schedule with no hiccups," said John Clark, Gemstone
Publishing's editor-in-chief for the Disney comics line. "All titles should
release as planned. Our Free Comic Book Day issue of Donald Duck Adventures
featuring "Maharajah Donald," will be out May 3, Free Comic Book Day, along
with the other free comics. The 64-page prestige books, Uncle Scrooge #319
and Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #634, will both ship from the printer
in June and will be monthly thereafter. Then our regular, 32-page comics
will ship in September and hold to a monthly schedule after that, beginning
with Donald Duck #305 and Mickey Mouse and Friends #257.

Clark said American creators Patrick Block, Don Rosa, Noel Van Horn, and
William Van Horn will be showcased in these books, along with some classic
Carl Barks reprints, as will the work of top-notch European artists, such as
Daniel Branca, Ferioli, Daan Jippes, Romano Scarpa, and Vicar.

But wasn't anything thrown off schedule by the recent monumental snowstorm
in the east? Clark, newly relocated to the Baltimore area just in time for
the record-breaking snowfall, just chuckles.

"I was expecting it. Wherever I move, there's a record-breaking bad winter
the first year!" he said.

"Response to the announcement of our FCBD issue has been good, from what
I've heard. A few retailers have indicated they're going to order big on
this one, so I'm expecting we'll have a high press run," Clark added.
"Retailers should look for a swell point-of-purchase poster announcing the
release of the comics in an upcoming Dateline, and we're hoping a lot of
previous fans will bring their friends and other new readers along for the
re-launch. Our plans for the Disney characters won't end with the four
titles already mentioned. We have some really exciting projects under way
that should go a long way towards giving Disney comic books a renewed
presence in both the mass market and the world at large. But it's too early
to discuss those plans just yet. Stay tuned for further developments!"

If you're interested in receiving information about the new line of Disney
comics, visit http://www.gemstonepub.com/disney and sign-up today.

Original content ?2002 Gemstone Publishing, Inc. and/or Diamond
International Galleries.
All other material ?2002 respective copyright holders. All rights reserved.
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Rob Wilson <dolphinrob at mindspring.com> wrote:

> This information was just sent out in the
> Scoop newsletter from Diamond Comics...
>
> Clark said American creators Patrick Block,
> Don Rosa, Noel Van Horn, and William Van Horn
> will be showcased in these books, along with
> some classic Carl Barks reprints,

Strange, very strange indeed - why did this
Clark guy mention Don Rosa after the AFAIK
completely unknown Patrick Block??? I hope
it's not some kind of hostility towards Don,
because of his "strike" last year?

> as will the work of top-notch European artists,
> such as Daniel Branca, Ferioli, Daan Jippes,
> Romano Scarpa, and Vicar.

And what about Marco Rota and eh.. Olaf
Solstrand???

Sigvald :-)
Xephyr
Sigvald asked:
> why did this Clark guy mention Don Rosa after the
> AFAIK completely unknown Patrick Block??? ...
> And what about Marco Rota and eh.. Olaf Solstrand???

I doubt any slight was intended since, AFAIK great
creators like David Gerstein and Floyd Gottfredson were
ALSO missed by this list. I would hope that if classic
Barks were being reprinted that equally classic Gottfredsons
would receive the same treatment. *shrug*

Well, I'm a bit miffed that FINALLY when Disney comic are
going to be available again in the USA.... I'm in China!!!!!
Arrrrrgggghhhh!! Irony stinks!

-Rich Bellacera

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SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 2/27/2003 8:09:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
xephyr at cwnet.com writes:

> >why did this Clark guy mention Don Rosa after the
> >AFAIK completely unknown Patrick Block??? ...
> >And what about Marco Rota and eh.. Olaf Solstrand???
>
> I doubt any slight was intended since, AFAIK great
> creators like David Gerstein and Floyd Gottfredson were
> ALSO missed by this list. I would hope that if classic
> Barks were being reprinted that equally classic Gottfredsons
> would receive the same treatment. *shrug*
>

and of course Pat Block is at least moderately well known ---
he seems to be on the USA convention circuit quite frequently ....
I feel sure he is much better known in the USA than Rota

not that that will matter in a few months,
when usa fan will have a chance to see disney works for themselves

steven rowe
Fernando Ventura
"Strange, very strange indeed - why did this
Clark guy mention Don Rosa after the AFAIK
completely unknown Patrick Block???"

Sigvald, aren't you exaggerating too much???

Fernando!
Don Rosa
I was discussing the matter of publishers supplying me with copies of books
with my work, so I thought I should organize my files from the past few
years, see what issues I seem to be missing, and ask if anyone can help me
find missing issues. Of course, since I am *missing* these issues, I don't
know for sure that they exist, or exactly which issue numbers they might be.
But I'll try...

ZIO PAPERONE: I need #150 & 157.
KOMIX: I need #165, 167 & 169.
(I hate to be missing ANY issues of ZP or KOMIX! They're too great!)
ANDRES OND (or however you spell the name of the Icelandic Donald weekly):
this publisher stopped sending me copies a few years back, so I guess I need
ANY issues since late 2000 with my stories. Looking at the corresponding
issue numbers in the other Egmont weeklies, and not counting special
supplement editions of reprints that I'm sure Iceland doesn't bother with,
my best guess is that I need these issues -- 2000: #51; 2001: #14, 21, 43,
44, 45; 2002: #11, 19, 20, 39, 40, 41.
MICKY MAUS: I receive the German DONALD DUCK SONDERHEFT and the Rosa-albums,
but they seem to have stopped sending me the weeklies. Now, the German
weeklies do not follow the same weekly contents as the Scandinavian Egmonts,
so I don't know what issues I might need. But here is a list of the Rosa
issues of MICKY MAUS that I *have*... repeat, I HAVE these: 2001: #19, 29,
36, 37, 38; 2002: none!; 2003: none!
I notice that in KALLE ANKA & CO. 2001 #17 they slipped in a reprint of an
old 2-page gag I did for Gladstone in 1987. If this same gag was reprinted
in the corresponding ANDERS AND & CO. or DONALD DUCK & CO. 2001 #17 (or that
Icelandic title), I guess I need those.
Also, I need virtually ALL copies of my work ever published in Portugal,
Spain, Hungary, Poland and all the other eastern European or Asian
countries. I have no contacts with those publishers and currently no friends
who can supply me with those issues. (Are there any DCML members in any of
these countries or in Iceland?)
If anyone can help, let me know!
Thanks!!!
Cord Wiljes
Sigvald: The Disney comics creators mentioned in the Diamond article are listed
in alphabetical order:

American creators:
Block, Patrick
Rosa, Don
Van Horn, Noel
Van Horn, William

European artists:
Branca, Daniel
Ferioli
Jippes, Daan
Scarpa, Romano
Vicar

I think this is a good solution if you don't want to favor a creator over
another.

BTW: I fear, _all_ creators on the list are unknown to the general public; even to
the general super-heroes reading public. And none is unknown to the members of
this list :-)

Cord
Bernard Slaa
>Sigvald:

> I think you should tell us more abou this

>I don't think I should do that.
>Michiel already did it. 8-)

>Michiel:

> One good thing about these mini-comics: the cover
they used for the
> 'Caballeros'-story was *Don's original cover*. As
far as I
> know this is
> the only time the Dutch editors ever used an
original Rosa-cover.
> (For Donald Duck Extra and Oom Dagobert they mostly
use retraced
> Rosa-covers.)

>Yes, but for the *interior* illustrations in the Oom
>Dagobert albums,
>they often used colour photocopies of Don's original
>drawings (covers
>for Gladstone and illustrations for France).

>--Harry.

The covers for the DD Extra's are always self-drawn by
a Dutch artist. But the ones from the Oom Dagobert
albums are "sometimes" real covers from Rosa or
combinations from Rosa-covers and a different
background. At the following link you can see the
covers (from album 53):
http://mars.spaceports.com/~ddossier/old/ddd.htm

The covers from the Lifetimes stories are parts from
the real covers with a map at the background. But by
some albums they've a very strange view wich cover
they should use. Album 60 had as lead-story "Return to
Plain Awfull" but by the cover I think more about the
Barks story "The Prize of Pizarro". Also by album 67
with had as lead-story "Hearts of the Yukon" they used
the cover of "The Vigilant of Pizzen Bluff" wich was
the lead-story of album 68. And by that album they've
made a combination from the cover of "The Invader of
Fort Duckburg" and Buffalo Bill in some kind of fog.

But for the interior illustrations as Harry mentioned
they use some good art from Don Rosa. And in some
earlier albums they had used some oil-paintings from
Barks.

Greetings Bernard

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