The half-page final panel of "A Little Something Special" has a small
segment
of music which Scrooge is thinking about. This is not a cartoon shetch of
a few notes, but seems a precise copy of a measure of a real song. I recall
when Schultz's "Peanuts" character Schroeder played his toy piano, there
were often such copies of little segments of Beethoven music (Schroeder's
favorite composer). A few friends and I were able to identify the exact
Beethoven compositions Schroeder was playing in several of these
episodes.
I believe Don Rosa has done something similar here, but I have
not been able to guess what song Scrooge is day-dreaming. Has anyone?
Best wishes,
Larry Giver.
Author
Topic: 200302
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Lgiver
Music in last panel of Rosa's "A Little Something Special"
Message 151 -
2003-02-10 at 08:45:13
Don Rosa
DCML digest #1250
Message 152 -
2003-02-10 at 09:24:38
From: Klartekst (info at klartekst.no)
>>>>How about a 4th. version: The ducks are mortal, but they live for a very
long time, like some types of elves. Non-talking duck live for 7-10
years if they're lucky during hunting seasons. Maybe talking ducks live
a lot longer.
But that's the same as version #3... Ducks as fairy tale creatures. (Your
message seems to imply that elves are actual beings?) Remember that I and
others do not view these as "talking ducks" but as caricatures of normal
humans, just as Asterix or Tintin are caricatures of humans -- no human has
a nose as big as Asterix or super-strength, nor can a human survive the
physical stunts that Asterix undergoes, but he is nonetheless a human
character.
>>>> In any case, we can't automatically assume that they have
the same life expectancy as real humans.
I can't speak for you, but *I* expect them to because, to me, they *are*
real humans. And when you read one of my stories, you are reading about real
humans, not elf-like ducks with extended lifespans. Note that you of course
have the right to regard them as such, but you'll hafta read about such
beings in other people's stories, not in that teeny % of the lot that I have
written/drawn.
From: KUR (ggk at wp.pl)
>>>>>To Don Rosa :
How many time it take you to draw a 10 -12 page story?
Just draw it? Not including the writing part?
3 or 4 weeks. More like 4, including all the unavoidable lost time, like
problems with tools/materials, matters to deal with in e-mail or on the
phone, visits from plumbers, chopping firewood, etc.
>>>>How about a 4th. version: The ducks are mortal, but they live for a very
long time, like some types of elves. Non-talking duck live for 7-10
years if they're lucky during hunting seasons. Maybe talking ducks live
a lot longer.
But that's the same as version #3... Ducks as fairy tale creatures. (Your
message seems to imply that elves are actual beings?) Remember that I and
others do not view these as "talking ducks" but as caricatures of normal
humans, just as Asterix or Tintin are caricatures of humans -- no human has
a nose as big as Asterix or super-strength, nor can a human survive the
physical stunts that Asterix undergoes, but he is nonetheless a human
character.
>>>> In any case, we can't automatically assume that they have
the same life expectancy as real humans.
I can't speak for you, but *I* expect them to because, to me, they *are*
real humans. And when you read one of my stories, you are reading about real
humans, not elf-like ducks with extended lifespans. Note that you of course
have the right to regard them as such, but you'll hafta read about such
beings in other people's stories, not in that teeny % of the lot that I have
written/drawn.
From: KUR (ggk at wp.pl)
>>>>>To Don Rosa :
How many time it take you to draw a 10 -12 page story?
Just draw it? Not including the writing part?
3 or 4 weeks. More like 4, including all the unavoidable lost time, like
problems with tools/materials, matters to deal with in e-mail or on the
phone, visits from plumbers, chopping firewood, etc.
Ola Martinsson
Two questions
Message 153 -
2003-02-10 at 10:10:52
If this was the Gladstone relative question then it is #2 2003.
Ola
On 02/06/03 06:06 PM, Stefan Persson wrote:
> H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl quoted:
>
>> > In the latest issue of the Swedish Kalle Anka
>
>
> Which issue was that?
>
> Stefan
>
Ola
On 02/06/03 06:06 PM, Stefan Persson wrote:
> H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl quoted:
>
>> > In the latest issue of the Swedish Kalle Anka
>
>
> Which issue was that?
>
> Stefan
>
Ola Martinsson
LInda and Valentin
Message 154 -
2003-02-10 at 10:22:16
In #5 of the Swedish Kalle Anka & c:o ( most resembles WDC ) there is a
parody/homage to Orson Welles "The war of the worlds", called "The war
of the planets"
SPOILER WARNING
In this story Duckburg is staging a giant outdoor play of this book
because it is 100 years since it was written. Gyro has made a copy of
one of the Marsian war machines. You maybe remember that it was a giant
tripod. Anyhow at this same moment Venus is about to attack the earth.
And here is a homage to Linda and Valentin, the Venusian space ships are
more or less copies of the space ship that Linda and Valentin has.
Great I thought but is it really allowed to copy like that ?
Anyhow the Venusians attack but see the Marsian tripod and thinks that
Earth and Mars has a pact. This scares them of saying that they were
just kidding and have a nice day.
Ola in a 40 cm snowy Stockholm and -2, Great !!!
parody/homage to Orson Welles "The war of the worlds", called "The war
of the planets"
SPOILER WARNING
In this story Duckburg is staging a giant outdoor play of this book
because it is 100 years since it was written. Gyro has made a copy of
one of the Marsian war machines. You maybe remember that it was a giant
tripod. Anyhow at this same moment Venus is about to attack the earth.
And here is a homage to Linda and Valentin, the Venusian space ships are
more or less copies of the space ship that Linda and Valentin has.
Great I thought but is it really allowed to copy like that ?
Anyhow the Venusians attack but see the Marsian tripod and thinks that
Earth and Mars has a pact. This scares them of saying that they were
just kidding and have a nice day.
Ola in a 40 cm snowy Stockholm and -2, Great !!!
Timo Ronkainen
LInda and Valentin
Message 155 -
2003-02-10 at 12:03:43
>the Venusian space ships are more or less copies of the space ship that
>Linda and Valentin has.
Which was more or less copied from old Bob Powell's comics Vic Torry from
1950's. Vic and his girlfriend had very similar saucer like vehicle which
they used to fly around solar system.
>Great I thought but is it really allowed to copy like that ?
Of course, it's within fair use. You could also even show Linda and Valentin
(Valerian and Laureline in original) in couple of panels. Comics history is
full of these kind of pictorial quotes.
Couple of weeks earlier (at least in Finnish weekly AA n:o 3) we saw Donald
reading Don Quijote version illustrated by Pablo Picasso.
http://www.cwquijote.com/Mundo_Quijote/Pintura/Pintura%20Picasso.html
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>Linda and Valentin has.
Which was more or less copied from old Bob Powell's comics Vic Torry from
1950's. Vic and his girlfriend had very similar saucer like vehicle which
they used to fly around solar system.
>Great I thought but is it really allowed to copy like that ?
Of course, it's within fair use. You could also even show Linda and Valentin
(Valerian and Laureline in original) in couple of panels. Comics history is
full of these kind of pictorial quotes.
Couple of weeks earlier (at least in Finnish weekly AA n:o 3) we saw Donald
reading Don Quijote version illustrated by Pablo Picasso.
http://www.cwquijote.com/Mundo_Quijote/Pintura/Pintura%20Picasso.html
Timo
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Comics Shops in Rome?
Message 156 -
2003-02-10 at 12:50:52
Hi!
Friend of mine will soon have a trip to Italy, and he wants to know if there
is some good comics shops in Rome. Any suggestions?
Timo
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Friend of mine will soon have a trip to Italy, and he wants to know if there
is some good comics shops in Rome. Any suggestions?
Timo
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DCML digest, Vol 1 #1250 - 10 msgs
Message 157 -
2003-02-10 at 13:22:34
DON:
> No, I again disagree. Erik (who is a Duck scholar and fan and friend) would
> never make that blunder. I think he is clearly implying in an accompanying
> text that a *story* appears "40 years later" in which the characters return,
> not that the characters are returning 40 years later in their own
> time-reality. Now, if the translator had placed into a Nephew's word balloon
> "we were here 40 years ago", that would be a blunder akin to the one in that
> French translation that made the Nephews at least 60-62 years old.
I got an explaining e-mail from Erik and understand that I have misunderstood
the context. My blunder.
OLIVIER:
> It's odd that they kept Fulton's name but changed Ratchet's.
Again - I find Norway to be odder. They gave Ratchet the same name as
Gyro, "Petter", but then changed it (not back to Ratchet, but to "Julius"), and
they also gave Fulton the name "Edison", but then later changed it back
to "Fulton"!
Olaf
> No, I again disagree. Erik (who is a Duck scholar and fan and friend) would
> never make that blunder. I think he is clearly implying in an accompanying
> text that a *story* appears "40 years later" in which the characters return,
> not that the characters are returning 40 years later in their own
> time-reality. Now, if the translator had placed into a Nephew's word balloon
> "we were here 40 years ago", that would be a blunder akin to the one in that
> French translation that made the Nephews at least 60-62 years old.
I got an explaining e-mail from Erik and understand that I have misunderstood
the context. My blunder.
OLIVIER:
> It's odd that they kept Fulton's name but changed Ratchet's.
Again - I find Norway to be odder. They gave Ratchet the same name as
Gyro, "Petter", but then changed it (not back to Ratchet, but to "Julius"), and
they also gave Fulton the name "Edison", but then later changed it back
to "Fulton"!
Olaf
H.W.Fluks
Giada Perissinotto
Message 158 -
2003-02-10 at 13:57:23
> BTW, the e-mail address at the bottom of that page is Harry's *old*
> address; it was recently changed.
>
> HARRY: Will you correct that?
Has already been corrected some time ago.
--Harry.
> address; it was recently changed.
>
> HARRY: Will you correct that?
Has already been corrected some time ago.
--Harry.
Donald D. Markstein
DCML digest #1248
Message 159 -
2003-02-10 at 14:41:08
Don Rosa wrote:
But the #3 idea is to have current stories that take place in 2003 and still
have $crooge refer to his adventures in the 19th Century -- this forces the
reader to put the stories into a fairy-tale Never-Never Land, and that takes
the power out of the characters... they are apparently immune to misfortune
or aging or injury.
There is a fourth possibility. For those who MUST have an explanation of their longevity, Barks had them encounter the Fountain of Youth. Maybe they've aged very slowly since then.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
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But the #3 idea is to have current stories that take place in 2003 and still
have $crooge refer to his adventures in the 19th Century -- this forces the
reader to put the stories into a fairy-tale Never-Never Land, and that takes
the power out of the characters... they are apparently immune to misfortune
or aging or injury.
There is a fourth possibility. For those who MUST have an explanation of their longevity, Barks had them encounter the Fountain of Youth. Maybe they've aged very slowly since then.
Quack, Don
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Translation & duck reality
Message 160 -
2003-02-10 at 14:56:30
To me, $crooge was around in the 1890s. He was around in the 1950s when
I was a kid, and he is still around today. This does not make him a
less powerful character. Nils from Norway=20
Nils, That is so very well put, best I've heard yet.
About translating, I'm wondering why artists' contracts don't specify
enough quality control to cover such eventualities. Can an artist
please enlighten? Or is is like the officers at my museum, they
simply, blithefully, willfully ignore any rule that is in their way--
mary obe
I was a kid, and he is still around today. This does not make him a
less powerful character. Nils from Norway=20
Nils, That is so very well put, best I've heard yet.
About translating, I'm wondering why artists' contracts don't specify
enough quality control to cover such eventualities. Can an artist
please enlighten? Or is is like the officers at my museum, they
simply, blithefully, willfully ignore any rule that is in their way--
mary obe
H.W.Fluks
Giada Perissinotto
Message 161 -
2003-02-10 at 15:51:27
I wrote, apparently:
> > HARRY: Will you correct that?
> Has already been corrected some time ago.
Oops! I thought I sent this as a private mail to Stefan. Sorry!
--Harry.
> > HARRY: Will you correct that?
> Has already been corrected some time ago.
Oops! I thought I sent this as a private mail to Stefan. Sorry!
--Harry.
Don Rosa
DCML digest #1250
Message 162 -
2003-02-10 at 16:00:28
From: lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net
Subject: Music in last panel of Rosa's "A Little Something Special"
>>>>The half-page final panel of "A Little Something Special" has a small
segment
of music which Scrooge is thinking about. This is not a cartoon shetch of
a few notes, but seems a precise copy of a measure of a real song.
It's been a while now, but I think that I had John Clark add music from
"After the Ball is Over". I'll check my script notes and see if John
recalls.
From: "timo ronkainen" <timoro at hotmail.com>
>the Venusian space ships are more or less copies of the space ship that
>Linda and Valentin has.
>>>Which was more or less copied from old Bob Powell's comics Vic Torry from
1950's. Vic and his girlfriend had very similar saucer like vehicle which
they used to fly around solar system.
This will be the Jaw-Hits-Floor-Award early nominee for 2003!!! I don't know
the Disney story being referred to, but how could someone away off in
Finland know so much about VIC TORRY AND HIS FLYING SAUCER, a very obscure
American one-shot comic book published in the year 1950?!?! Only Italians
are such experts! Has this comic been reprinted by somebody recently?
Surely you don't have a copy of the original!
Bob Powell is one of my favorites -- but any discussion of copying old
versions of Martian Invasion Machines *must* mention the definitive Tripod
Monsters in Lou Cameron's 1955 "War of the Worlds" issue of CLASSICS
ILLUSTRATED #124, one of my favorite comics of all time, an issue I
cherished as a child along with my Barks Ducks and Little Lulus! Lou Cameron
was one of the greatest comic artists of the 50's but gave it up to become a
best-selling author of western/cowboy novels in the 1960's-80's.
By the way, VIC TORRY AND HIS FLYING SAUCER was published by the Captain
Marvel people, Fawcett Comics... which means it was printed right here in
Louisville!
Subject: Music in last panel of Rosa's "A Little Something Special"
>>>>The half-page final panel of "A Little Something Special" has a small
segment
of music which Scrooge is thinking about. This is not a cartoon shetch of
a few notes, but seems a precise copy of a measure of a real song.
It's been a while now, but I think that I had John Clark add music from
"After the Ball is Over". I'll check my script notes and see if John
recalls.
From: "timo ronkainen" <timoro at hotmail.com>
>the Venusian space ships are more or less copies of the space ship that
>Linda and Valentin has.
>>>Which was more or less copied from old Bob Powell's comics Vic Torry from
1950's. Vic and his girlfriend had very similar saucer like vehicle which
they used to fly around solar system.
This will be the Jaw-Hits-Floor-Award early nominee for 2003!!! I don't know
the Disney story being referred to, but how could someone away off in
Finland know so much about VIC TORRY AND HIS FLYING SAUCER, a very obscure
American one-shot comic book published in the year 1950?!?! Only Italians
are such experts! Has this comic been reprinted by somebody recently?
Surely you don't have a copy of the original!
Bob Powell is one of my favorites -- but any discussion of copying old
versions of Martian Invasion Machines *must* mention the definitive Tripod
Monsters in Lou Cameron's 1955 "War of the Worlds" issue of CLASSICS
ILLUSTRATED #124, one of my favorite comics of all time, an issue I
cherished as a child along with my Barks Ducks and Little Lulus! Lou Cameron
was one of the greatest comic artists of the 50's but gave it up to become a
best-selling author of western/cowboy novels in the 1960's-80's.
By the way, VIC TORRY AND HIS FLYING SAUCER was published by the Captain
Marvel people, Fawcett Comics... which means it was printed right here in
Louisville!
Timo Ronkainen
Vic Torry's/D. Duck's Flying saucer
Message 163 -
2003-02-10 at 18:34:41
>the Disney story being referred to, but how could someone away off in
>Finland know so much about VIC TORRY AND HIS FLYING SAUCER, a very obscure
>American one-shot comic book published in the year 1950?!?!
I bought few years ago couple of issues of "Doc Weird's Thrill Book!" that
reprinted Vic Torry and His Flying Saucer in three parts. I have also read
through some books about comic book history and browsed megabytes worth of
web pages about old american comics (and about European too). I've almost
always been interested in this kind of stuff. Why, I don't know.. when I was
kid, these kind of comics and movies were not around at all and no one knew
nothing about them.
I think I'll soon scan few examples of flying saucers from this Donald Duck
story and Vic Torry plus Valerian and set them side by side. I'll let you
know when they are on line.
Timo
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>Finland know so much about VIC TORRY AND HIS FLYING SAUCER, a very obscure
>American one-shot comic book published in the year 1950?!?!
I bought few years ago couple of issues of "Doc Weird's Thrill Book!" that
reprinted Vic Torry and His Flying Saucer in three parts. I have also read
through some books about comic book history and browsed megabytes worth of
web pages about old american comics (and about European too). I've almost
always been interested in this kind of stuff. Why, I don't know.. when I was
kid, these kind of comics and movies were not around at all and no one knew
nothing about them.
I think I'll soon scan few examples of flying saucers from this Donald Duck
story and Vic Torry plus Valerian and set them side by side. I'll let you
know when they are on line.
Timo
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Vic Torry's/D. Duck's Flying saucer
Message 164 -
2003-02-10 at 19:44:55
Now there should be everyone to see these space ships
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/spaceships.html
I also scanned Donald reading Don Quijote book illustrated by Picasso.
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4th version
Message 165 -
2003-02-11 at 01:32:35
Nils:
> How about a 4th. version: The ducks are mortal, but they live for a very =
> long time, like some types of elves. Non-talking duck live for 7-10 =
> years if they're lucky during hunting seasons. Maybe talking ducks live =
> a lot longer. In any case, we can't automatically assume that they have =
> the same life expectancy as real humans. =20
>
thinkingabout it, that is exactly what I think of it - but before
reading yoiur mail I would not have been able to describe it so
clearly as you did. Thanks!
Soeren
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> How about a 4th. version: The ducks are mortal, but they live for a very =
> long time, like some types of elves. Non-talking duck live for 7-10 =
> years if they're lucky during hunting seasons. Maybe talking ducks live =
> a lot longer. In any case, we can't automatically assume that they have =
> the same life expectancy as real humans. =20
>
thinkingabout it, that is exactly what I think of it - but before
reading yoiur mail I would not have been able to describe it so
clearly as you did. Thanks!
Soeren
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