> > Sigvald, haven't you noticed that both
> > Brazilians and Norwegians have written
> > that they LOVE this style?
>
> Yes, but that was during the last round of this discussion - before Mr.
> Fecchi commented this topic himself.
Why would we change our minds about that because Fecchi commented the topic?
> Nope, I have never used the term "bad influence". And I don't mean that
> either. It's more correct to say that they are influenced by non-Disney
> comics. Disney and Marvel are *not* the same - I guess everybody here can
> agree about that - so why should Disney comics then look like Marvel
> comics?
Uhm, what? We're not talking about characters, we're not talking about genre,
we're not talking about number of pages, we're not talking about level of
violence... we're talking about the way the panels are set up on the page. As
far as I know, Marvel hasn't copyrighted it. It's one way to arrange comic
panels on the page. Personally, I have never thought of the way the panels are
placed as something very Disney, and I've never thought of it as very
important - so I don't understand why it's such a big deal. Still, I love
creativity, and for such an adventurous genre as this story, I think Fecchi did
the right thing.
Olaf
Author
Topic: 200311
(421 messages)
Olaf Solstrand
No subject
Message 106 -
2003-11-09 at 22:29:23
Stefan Persson
Fecchi's bad style
Message 107 -
2003-11-09 at 23:19:27
Fecchi wrote:
> I read your criticisms. I promise you that I'll design the panels in
> more traditional style in future, but please you continue to read my
> stories.... (Sigh!)
I don't see any problem with different panels design. The design in
your stories is IMHO generally good, so I don't think that you need to
change anything. As you might have noticed, Sigvald Gr?sfjeld often
seems to want to win the prize for the most silly mail of every month
(see http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-November/025675.html for
more information), so you should not care very much about the contents
of most of his mails.
Stefan
> I read your criticisms. I promise you that I'll design the panels in
> more traditional style in future, but please you continue to read my
> stories.... (Sigh!)
I don't see any problem with different panels design. The design in
your stories is IMHO generally good, so I don't think that you need to
change anything. As you might have noticed, Sigvald Gr?sfjeld often
seems to want to win the prize for the most silly mail of every month
(see http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-November/025675.html for
more information), so you should not care very much about the contents
of most of his mails.
Stefan
Fabio Blanco
About correctness in DCML
Message 108 -
2003-11-09 at 23:37:27
I don't care about panel styles, I care about drawing styles. I think
italian style is maybe fine for any comic, but for my taste, not for Barks
charachters... Maybe Massimo Fecchi is great making duck comics, i don't
know ( I would thanks some link to his work). I enjoyed some Fix und Foxi
adventures...
Now, why these discussions are always so crazy? Take it easy, read a comic,
man!
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
http://virusmental.blogspot.com
> Hi all!
>
> Right now mr. Fecchi's panel-style is a frequent debated topic here on
DCML.
> The responses to my late comments about that topic seems to indicate an
> underlying problem on DCML - the "rule of correctness". This unwritten
rule
> says that it's OK to be positive to a matter like mr. Fecchi's
panel-style,
> while it's not really OK to be critical or negative to the same.
>
> Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are drawn in the
> "traditional style". Why is it so if I am the only one in DCML who
actually
> prefer Disney comics drawn that way? IMO the only way to understand this
is
> that other DCMLers who tends to agree with me in this concrete matter for
> some reason decides to remain quit - could that be because criticism of
this
> kind is not seen as correct behaviour in DCML?
>
> Sigvald
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
italian style is maybe fine for any comic, but for my taste, not for Barks
charachters... Maybe Massimo Fecchi is great making duck comics, i don't
know ( I would thanks some link to his work). I enjoyed some Fix und Foxi
adventures...
Now, why these discussions are always so crazy? Take it easy, read a comic,
man!
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
http://virusmental.blogspot.com
> Hi all!
>
> Right now mr. Fecchi's panel-style is a frequent debated topic here on
DCML.
> The responses to my late comments about that topic seems to indicate an
> underlying problem on DCML - the "rule of correctness". This unwritten
rule
> says that it's OK to be positive to a matter like mr. Fecchi's
panel-style,
> while it's not really OK to be critical or negative to the same.
>
> Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are drawn in the
> "traditional style". Why is it so if I am the only one in DCML who
actually
> prefer Disney comics drawn that way? IMO the only way to understand this
is
> that other DCMLers who tends to agree with me in this concrete matter for
> some reason decides to remain quit - could that be because criticism of
this
> kind is not seen as correct behaviour in DCML?
>
> Sigvald
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
Lars Jensen
Misunderstandings around Danish article (OT)
Message 109 -
2003-11-10 at 00:54:39
Daniël van Eijmeren wrote to Sigvald:
> how many times do people need to tell you that it's sick
"Sick"?
You just went way over the line here, Daniël -- especially combined with
the other content of your posting. I hope you can find it in yourself to
apologize to Sigvald. He doesn't deserve this kind of abuse.
Lars
> how many times do people need to tell you that it's sick
"Sick"?
You just went way over the line here, Daniël -- especially combined with
the other content of your posting. I hope you can find it in yourself to
apologize to Sigvald. He doesn't deserve this kind of abuse.
Lars
Marco Barlotti
Looking for a scan of the cover of "Donald & Daisy" #25
Message 110 -
2003-11-10 at 01:30:15
I am trying to make an index of all the covers the Inducks credits to
Barks, illustrated with a small scan of each of them and listing the
Italian reprints or adaptations.
Thanks to Eta Beta's beautiful webpages
http://www.eega.net/covers/cv_usa.html
I am missing only ONE scan, and I am wondering whether any kind soul on
this mailing list has a copy of issue 25 of "Donald & Daisy". Its cover is
not even really drawn by Barks, says the Inducks, but rather by Kay Wright;
the general idea for that cover, however is credited to Barks, so for
completeness' sake I'd like to include it.
Should such a kind soul exist, could he please send that scan to
marco.barlotti at dmd.unifi.it ?
Thank you!
Marco
http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics
Barks, illustrated with a small scan of each of them and listing the
Italian reprints or adaptations.
Thanks to Eta Beta's beautiful webpages
http://www.eega.net/covers/cv_usa.html
I am missing only ONE scan, and I am wondering whether any kind soul on
this mailing list has a copy of issue 25 of "Donald & Daisy". Its cover is
not even really drawn by Barks, says the Inducks, but rather by Kay Wright;
the general idea for that cover, however is credited to Barks, so for
completeness' sake I'd like to include it.
Should such a kind soul exist, could he please send that scan to
marco.barlotti at dmd.unifi.it ?
Thank you!
Marco
http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics
Geir J. Netland
About correctness in DCML
Message 111 -
2003-11-10 at 01:57:30
Sigvald:
> Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are
> drawn in the "traditional style". Why is it so if I am the
> only one in DCML who actually prefer Disney comics drawn that
> way? IMO the only way to understand this is that other
> DCMLers who tends to agree with me in this concrete matter
> for some reason decides to remain quit
Perhaps because those other persons don't feel the need to tell "the
whole" world what they *don't* like?
I don't understand why it is so important for you to state what you
*don't* like?
My friendly advice:
If you don't like the way some artists draw, well, then *don't* read
their stories! And if you don't agree with a certain artist's
Duck-universe, then forget that you ever read his story! It works for
me, and now the "whole world" knows.......
Finally, I nominate Dani?l's lates mail "the most way over the line"
mail this month. It's terrible to read such an attack here on DCML:(
Geir J. Netland
> Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are
> drawn in the "traditional style". Why is it so if I am the
> only one in DCML who actually prefer Disney comics drawn that
> way? IMO the only way to understand this is that other
> DCMLers who tends to agree with me in this concrete matter
> for some reason decides to remain quit
Perhaps because those other persons don't feel the need to tell "the
whole" world what they *don't* like?
I don't understand why it is so important for you to state what you
*don't* like?
My friendly advice:
If you don't like the way some artists draw, well, then *don't* read
their stories! And if you don't agree with a certain artist's
Duck-universe, then forget that you ever read his story! It works for
me, and now the "whole world" knows.......
Finally, I nominate Dani?l's lates mail "the most way over the line"
mail this month. It's terrible to read such an attack here on DCML:(
Geir J. Netland
Matthew Williams
Sigvald Awakes a "Sleeping Giant" (Ha! Ha!): Silly American
Message 112 -
2003-11-10 at 04:00:15
Sigvald,
You know, previously I had been feeling a little sorry for you on the
account of the hard time people on the list have been giving you lately. I
don't feel quite as sympathetic after your latest round of comments.
Whether you meant to offend or not, I feel at least a little hurt. Why is
it "important" to note that Mr. Gray and I are Americans? I don't assume
that you and all of your fellow countrymen are cut from the same cloth. One
thing I like best about this list is the international diversity here. I
think this list could quickly become uncomfortable and unpleasant, though,
if we start attributing each other's tastes and opinions to our limited
perceptions of what people from other countries are like. Because I am
American and not "representative for the whole of DCML," are my opinions to
be dismissed?
At any rate, I am somewhat familiar with other cartoonists and styles, but I
am most familiar with the separated panel style Disney uses. I'm not sure
that we can attribute this style to Disney, though. All of the funny animal
comics I read as a child followed this style. Is the overlapping style
something that started with Marvel? I've recently been checking out other
comic styles, and I know Marvel was using borders between its panels in the
sixties. The first twenty issues of Spiderman don't use this overlapping
style, anyway.
I digress from the main point that I want to make, though. I've read some
Marvel comics and found them quite good. Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko have my
total respect. I LOVE the work of Charles Schultz and think that he is one
of the greatest cartoonists who has ever lived. I recently read "The Dark
Knight Returns," and I liked it. A friend of mine recently introduced me to
Jason Lutes's BERLIN. I thought quite highly of it. But despite all of
this, you know what? I still like Carl Barks and the Disney comics I've
grown up with best. I'll swear my oath of allegiance to Uncle Scrooge!
Just because I also admire non-Disney, NON-ROSA, work doesn't diminish my
Disney fandom one bit. Frankly, as much as I love Disney comics, though, I
think folks familiar with only one style are a little poorer.
Furthermore, you say, "copying Marwells (sic) style may be original in the
world od Disney comics, but it is not what I will call specially
experimenting or inventive." I disagree with that statement, and I think
you do too. First of all, if Fecchi wasn't doing something out of the
ordinary, you wouldn't have bothered to take note of it. Second of all, the
thing that makes Fecchi's work so exciting to me is that it changes the
storytelling. Pace and flow are greatly affected by the style. Just the
way my eyes move on the page is dramatically changed.While the Walt Disney
Company Comics era did seem somewhat focused on changing Disney comics into
something else, I think that threat is long since past. As long as people
like Rosa, the Blocks, and the Van Horns are still creating excellent
(ORIGINAL) work in the traditional style, I don't think we can assume an
overlapping panel style is going to become the norm.
In response to your latest e-mail about "correctness," I see where you're
coming from to some extent. I joined this list to actually discuss Disney
comics (and possibly even criticize from time to time). Still, the way you
have chosen your comments in reference to Mr. Fecchi is rude and just plain
not very nice. Even if his style was "bad," he'd win my support by just
trying something that wasn't common in Disney comics. Consider: if you were
critiquing a friend's work would you use the same phrasing and approach? It
's okay not to like Mr. Fecchi's work, but to INSULT someone else's work is
mean.
I apologize for the long, rambling e-mail, but I would appreciate a little
more respectful treatment in the future.
Matt
You know, previously I had been feeling a little sorry for you on the
account of the hard time people on the list have been giving you lately. I
don't feel quite as sympathetic after your latest round of comments.
Whether you meant to offend or not, I feel at least a little hurt. Why is
it "important" to note that Mr. Gray and I are Americans? I don't assume
that you and all of your fellow countrymen are cut from the same cloth. One
thing I like best about this list is the international diversity here. I
think this list could quickly become uncomfortable and unpleasant, though,
if we start attributing each other's tastes and opinions to our limited
perceptions of what people from other countries are like. Because I am
American and not "representative for the whole of DCML," are my opinions to
be dismissed?
At any rate, I am somewhat familiar with other cartoonists and styles, but I
am most familiar with the separated panel style Disney uses. I'm not sure
that we can attribute this style to Disney, though. All of the funny animal
comics I read as a child followed this style. Is the overlapping style
something that started with Marvel? I've recently been checking out other
comic styles, and I know Marvel was using borders between its panels in the
sixties. The first twenty issues of Spiderman don't use this overlapping
style, anyway.
I digress from the main point that I want to make, though. I've read some
Marvel comics and found them quite good. Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko have my
total respect. I LOVE the work of Charles Schultz and think that he is one
of the greatest cartoonists who has ever lived. I recently read "The Dark
Knight Returns," and I liked it. A friend of mine recently introduced me to
Jason Lutes's BERLIN. I thought quite highly of it. But despite all of
this, you know what? I still like Carl Barks and the Disney comics I've
grown up with best. I'll swear my oath of allegiance to Uncle Scrooge!
Just because I also admire non-Disney, NON-ROSA, work doesn't diminish my
Disney fandom one bit. Frankly, as much as I love Disney comics, though, I
think folks familiar with only one style are a little poorer.
Furthermore, you say, "copying Marwells (sic) style may be original in the
world od Disney comics, but it is not what I will call specially
experimenting or inventive." I disagree with that statement, and I think
you do too. First of all, if Fecchi wasn't doing something out of the
ordinary, you wouldn't have bothered to take note of it. Second of all, the
thing that makes Fecchi's work so exciting to me is that it changes the
storytelling. Pace and flow are greatly affected by the style. Just the
way my eyes move on the page is dramatically changed.While the Walt Disney
Company Comics era did seem somewhat focused on changing Disney comics into
something else, I think that threat is long since past. As long as people
like Rosa, the Blocks, and the Van Horns are still creating excellent
(ORIGINAL) work in the traditional style, I don't think we can assume an
overlapping panel style is going to become the norm.
In response to your latest e-mail about "correctness," I see where you're
coming from to some extent. I joined this list to actually discuss Disney
comics (and possibly even criticize from time to time). Still, the way you
have chosen your comments in reference to Mr. Fecchi is rude and just plain
not very nice. Even if his style was "bad," he'd win my support by just
trying something that wasn't common in Disney comics. Consider: if you were
critiquing a friend's work would you use the same phrasing and approach? It
's okay not to like Mr. Fecchi's work, but to INSULT someone else's work is
mean.
I apologize for the long, rambling e-mail, but I would appreciate a little
more respectful treatment in the future.
Matt
Katie Sullivan
DuckTales opinions
Message 113 -
2003-11-10 at 04:32:10
Matthew wrote:
> I can't let a potential DuckTales discussion just drift away!
> My favorite
> episodes are the Donald ones! I LOVE "Sphinx for the
> Memories"! It still
> really creeps me out! Donald's being possessed really pushes
> the envelope,
> and I love it!
That episode always creeped me out when I was little, too!
Especially the floaty spirit thingies at the end. *shiver* ;)
> While I love the Bubba serial, I am still amused by
> how lame the
> general idea of Bubba is. There is some degree of
> ludicrousness that I can
> accept and love in the duck world, but whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Scrooge's adopting
> a little cave duck is a bit much.
LOL! I wholeheartedly agree. The multi-part origin intro was a
fun romp, but they should have sent home to his own time at the
end and let it be.
> "Send in the Clones" is a good one (it was the first one I
> watched, and it
> hooked me).
It was the first one I saw, too. It's a good one, although
since it was my first experience with the DuckTales universe, I
was jarred by the Beagles' individuality, Magica's distinctly
non-Italian accent, and Mrs. Beakly's presence. ;)
> I honestly don't care much for "Till Nephews Do
> Us Part,"
> though. I guess I just don't buy Scrooge in it.
You mean you don't think Scrooge can be giddy, head-over-heels
in love? ;)
(Not that disagree. As Goldie will be the first to attest, he's
the hard-to-get type.) ;)
> Additionally, we watched a few of the Barks adaptations
> including "Robot
> Robbers" and "The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan." While I like
> both episodes,
> I am amazed that NOTHING of Barks remains!
Not to mention their version of "Land Beneath the Ground." It
was fun, but Barks did it SOOOO much better. That super-cute
little boy Terry (or Fermy?) was just too much "cute-ification"
for me.
Katie Sullivan
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> I can't let a potential DuckTales discussion just drift away!
> My favorite
> episodes are the Donald ones! I LOVE "Sphinx for the
> Memories"! It still
> really creeps me out! Donald's being possessed really pushes
> the envelope,
> and I love it!
That episode always creeped me out when I was little, too!
Especially the floaty spirit thingies at the end. *shiver* ;)
> While I love the Bubba serial, I am still amused by
> how lame the
> general idea of Bubba is. There is some degree of
> ludicrousness that I can
> accept and love in the duck world, but whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Scrooge's adopting
> a little cave duck is a bit much.
LOL! I wholeheartedly agree. The multi-part origin intro was a
fun romp, but they should have sent home to his own time at the
end and let it be.
> "Send in the Clones" is a good one (it was the first one I
> watched, and it
> hooked me).
It was the first one I saw, too. It's a good one, although
since it was my first experience with the DuckTales universe, I
was jarred by the Beagles' individuality, Magica's distinctly
non-Italian accent, and Mrs. Beakly's presence. ;)
> I honestly don't care much for "Till Nephews Do
> Us Part,"
> though. I guess I just don't buy Scrooge in it.
You mean you don't think Scrooge can be giddy, head-over-heels
in love? ;)
(Not that disagree. As Goldie will be the first to attest, he's
the hard-to-get type.) ;)
> Additionally, we watched a few of the Barks adaptations
> including "Robot
> Robbers" and "The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan." While I like
> both episodes,
> I am amazed that NOTHING of Barks remains!
Not to mention their version of "Land Beneath the Ground." It
was fun, but Barks did it SOOOO much better. That super-cute
little boy Terry (or Fermy?) was just too much "cute-ification"
for me.
Katie Sullivan
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Other theories...
Message 114 -
2003-11-10 at 04:48:01
Sigvald wrote:
>Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are
>drawn in the
>"traditional style". Why is it so if I am the only one in DCML
>who actually
>prefer Disney comics drawn that way?
I haven't seen the Fecchi story you're discussing, so I can't
comment one way or another. It sounds interesting, though.
Variety is a good thing. Some of the open, overlapping and
oddly-arranged panels I've seen in manga are quite effective.
But my point is that I don't necessarily agree or disagree with
you, I'm just not bothering to jump into a discussion that I'm
not qualified to comment on.
Also, a friendly reminder...comics are art. Art is subjective.
That which you personally dislike is not automatically "bad." I
personally can't stand to look at most superhero comics, but
they have millions of devotees, so obviously there must be
something redeeming about them.
Katie Sullivan
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>Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are
>drawn in the
>"traditional style". Why is it so if I am the only one in DCML
>who actually
>prefer Disney comics drawn that way?
I haven't seen the Fecchi story you're discussing, so I can't
comment one way or another. It sounds interesting, though.
Variety is a good thing. Some of the open, overlapping and
oddly-arranged panels I've seen in manga are quite effective.
But my point is that I don't necessarily agree or disagree with
you, I'm just not bothering to jump into a discussion that I'm
not qualified to comment on.
Also, a friendly reminder...comics are art. Art is subjective.
That which you personally dislike is not automatically "bad." I
personally can't stand to look at most superhero comics, but
they have millions of devotees, so obviously there must be
something redeeming about them.
Katie Sullivan
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Larry Giver
Age of Rumpus McFowl
Message 115 -
2003-11-10 at 06:10:17
The latest Gemstone US #323 has William Van Horn's Scrooge story,
"Travails", which presents more details about his new character, Rumpus
McFowl. Here in the USA, he was in the last Gladstone issue, where he
was promoted in rank from a cousin of Scrooge to his half-brother. In this
"Travails" story, Van Horn states that Rumpus' mother was briefly married
to Fergus McDuck (page 3, panels 5-7). It seems the marriage had a
bitter ending, as his mother never wanted him to know his father was Fergus
McDuck.
Can Fergus fit into the McDuck family tree? In Rosa's Life & Times of
$crooge McDuck, $crooge's mother died in episode 8, in 1897, when he was
30 years old, and his father Fergus at the end of episode 9, 5 years later, in
1902. I can accept that a "brief marriage" of Fergus to Rumpus' mother
occurred about 1898, and lasted no more than 2 years. Probably Scrooge's
sisters were quite upset about this marriage, and never wrote about it to
Scrooge, and after the bitter divorce, Fergus didn't want to tell Scrooge
either.
So I believe that Rumpus is much younger than Scrooge, about 32
years younger. Scrooge is 85 in 1952, making Fergus about 53 at that time.
Alternatively, if the "brief marriage" was a few years before Fergus and
Downy's
marriage, Rumpus would be about 90. I perceive Rumpus as a unsuccessful
younger brother trying to sponge off his successful older brother. Is this
how most readers see this? How many stories with Rumpus has Van Horn
written by now, many more than we've seen in the USA so far?
"Travails", which presents more details about his new character, Rumpus
McFowl. Here in the USA, he was in the last Gladstone issue, where he
was promoted in rank from a cousin of Scrooge to his half-brother. In this
"Travails" story, Van Horn states that Rumpus' mother was briefly married
to Fergus McDuck (page 3, panels 5-7). It seems the marriage had a
bitter ending, as his mother never wanted him to know his father was Fergus
McDuck.
Can Fergus fit into the McDuck family tree? In Rosa's Life & Times of
$crooge McDuck, $crooge's mother died in episode 8, in 1897, when he was
30 years old, and his father Fergus at the end of episode 9, 5 years later, in
1902. I can accept that a "brief marriage" of Fergus to Rumpus' mother
occurred about 1898, and lasted no more than 2 years. Probably Scrooge's
sisters were quite upset about this marriage, and never wrote about it to
Scrooge, and after the bitter divorce, Fergus didn't want to tell Scrooge
either.
So I believe that Rumpus is much younger than Scrooge, about 32
years younger. Scrooge is 85 in 1952, making Fergus about 53 at that time.
Alternatively, if the "brief marriage" was a few years before Fergus and
Downy's
marriage, Rumpus would be about 90. I perceive Rumpus as a unsuccessful
younger brother trying to sponge off his successful older brother. Is this
how most readers see this? How many stories with Rumpus has Van Horn
written by now, many more than we've seen in the USA so far?
Kriton Kyrimis
Nor'easters in Duckburg
Message 116 -
2003-11-10 at 09:32:41
KATIE:
> Barks wasn't going to let little
> things like geography and science stand in the way of a good
> story, was he? ;)
Which shows how little respect he had for Carl B... um... well... oops!
I don't suppose that a sou'wester, apart from a raincoat, could also be some
kind of local wind where Barks lived, and that Barks made up nor'easter as a
funny opposite, unaware that there actually is such a wind in the northeast.
(According to http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/sou'wester one of the
meanings of sou'wester is "a strong wind from the southwest", so this just
might be possible!)
And a note to Sigvald: I wouldn't go around calling every little *possible*
mistake that someone makes a "goof", i.e., a stupid mistake. Plain "mistake"
is adequate enough. One might argue that the only "goof" that Barks made was
referring to the "government of Crete" in the philosopher's stone story, and
even there he just might be portraying his American characters' ignorance of
geography, a trait that is all too common with Americans, but rather
unexpected of someone like Barks, with his well-thumbed collection of National
Geographic.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
-----
"Never play with asteroids--they're what Murphy's law's all about!"
-----
> Barks wasn't going to let little
> things like geography and science stand in the way of a good
> story, was he? ;)
Which shows how little respect he had for Carl B... um... well... oops!
I don't suppose that a sou'wester, apart from a raincoat, could also be some
kind of local wind where Barks lived, and that Barks made up nor'easter as a
funny opposite, unaware that there actually is such a wind in the northeast.
(According to http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/sou'wester one of the
meanings of sou'wester is "a strong wind from the southwest", so this just
might be possible!)
And a note to Sigvald: I wouldn't go around calling every little *possible*
mistake that someone makes a "goof", i.e., a stupid mistake. Plain "mistake"
is adequate enough. One might argue that the only "goof" that Barks made was
referring to the "government of Crete" in the philosopher's stone story, and
even there he just might be portraying his American characters' ignorance of
geography, a trait that is all too common with Americans, but rather
unexpected of someone like Barks, with his well-thumbed collection of National
Geographic.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Rob Klein
No subject
Message 117 -
2003-11-10 at 09:41:54
Regarding the "Noreaster on Cape Quack". Yes, strong winds can come from the
northeast into Washington State, Oregon and Northern California in winter.
These winds are akin to the "Chinook" winds in The Canadian Rocky Mountains.
They are cold, usually dry winds that occur when a large high pressure cell
sits east of The Alberta Rocky Mountains. These winds could drop snow flurries
and light snow. They wouldn't likely bring wet, heavy storms, or heavy
snowfalls. Cape Quack sticks out into the ocean, separated from Duckburg by
Duckburg Bay. Therefore, as the windstorm circulates from the east to the
southeast, it could cross Duckburg Bay, and continue northward completing the
circle, and striking the centre of Duckburg from the sea. Both Northern
Hemisphere cyclonic and anti-cyclonic weather (wind) patterns spin in circular
motions in a track from the northwest and northeast, continuing in their
general directions, but circling as they go. So, Barks WDC 256 story scenario
IS possible to occur on the US Northwest coast, OR on the US Northeast coast.
I really think he had the NORTHEAST coast in this case, noting the
term "Noreaster", which is mainly used in New England. After all, Scrooge's
airplane flew directly east from Duckburg, out over The Atlantic Ocean, without
crossing any land in US 6 (Atlantis story). Carl Barks told me many times that
he had no specific location for Duckburg. He placed it where he needed it in
any particular story. He placed locations within Duckburg and its vicinity in
different places and directions. He had made no map for reference for
consistency. He knew the stories stood on their own. He DIDN'T have any idea
that fans read his stories for more than a few years. He had NEVER seen a child
purchase one of his comic books.
A story about a "Noreaster" is in Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Nova
Scotia or New Brunswick. But, if you MUST have consistency, you could believe
that the "Noreaster", on its southeastern circulation, crossed east of Duckburg
out into the Pacific Ocean, and then in its northwestern portion of the cycle,
crossed Duckburg Bay and hit Duckburg from the southwest.
Rob
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northeast into Washington State, Oregon and Northern California in winter.
These winds are akin to the "Chinook" winds in The Canadian Rocky Mountains.
They are cold, usually dry winds that occur when a large high pressure cell
sits east of The Alberta Rocky Mountains. These winds could drop snow flurries
and light snow. They wouldn't likely bring wet, heavy storms, or heavy
snowfalls. Cape Quack sticks out into the ocean, separated from Duckburg by
Duckburg Bay. Therefore, as the windstorm circulates from the east to the
southeast, it could cross Duckburg Bay, and continue northward completing the
circle, and striking the centre of Duckburg from the sea. Both Northern
Hemisphere cyclonic and anti-cyclonic weather (wind) patterns spin in circular
motions in a track from the northwest and northeast, continuing in their
general directions, but circling as they go. So, Barks WDC 256 story scenario
IS possible to occur on the US Northwest coast, OR on the US Northeast coast.
I really think he had the NORTHEAST coast in this case, noting the
term "Noreaster", which is mainly used in New England. After all, Scrooge's
airplane flew directly east from Duckburg, out over The Atlantic Ocean, without
crossing any land in US 6 (Atlantis story). Carl Barks told me many times that
he had no specific location for Duckburg. He placed it where he needed it in
any particular story. He placed locations within Duckburg and its vicinity in
different places and directions. He had made no map for reference for
consistency. He knew the stories stood on their own. He DIDN'T have any idea
that fans read his stories for more than a few years. He had NEVER seen a child
purchase one of his comic books.
A story about a "Noreaster" is in Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Nova
Scotia or New Brunswick. But, if you MUST have consistency, you could believe
that the "Noreaster", on its southeastern circulation, crossed east of Duckburg
out into the Pacific Ocean, and then in its northwestern portion of the cycle,
crossed Duckburg Bay and hit Duckburg from the southwest.
Rob
Klein
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Cèsar Ferioli
Fecchi's style
Message 118 -
2003-11-10 at 11:15:11
Dear all,
I'd like to give you my personal point of view about Fecchi's art.
But first of all I have to tell you something important: in the middle of
the 80's, when I was learning "how to draw" Mickey Mouse, Fecchi was one of
my most importants sources of inspiration, so did for other young artits who
are now drawing regularly. At that time, of course, Fecchi was not a Disney
artist, but we knew his art so well to consider him a true "maestro".
Therefore my opynion about him is absolutely positive, not only for his
final art, but also for how fast he was able to adapt his style into the
Disney's world. I think people as Fecchi or Branca are essential for keeping
Disney comics alive, opening new ways, different prospectives...
Finally I'll say, although that's not important in the final drawing :-),
that Massimo Fecchi is one of the best persons I've ever met, and I'm not
extremely generous on this kind of sentences.
C?sar Ferioli
I'd like to give you my personal point of view about Fecchi's art.
But first of all I have to tell you something important: in the middle of
the 80's, when I was learning "how to draw" Mickey Mouse, Fecchi was one of
my most importants sources of inspiration, so did for other young artits who
are now drawing regularly. At that time, of course, Fecchi was not a Disney
artist, but we knew his art so well to consider him a true "maestro".
Therefore my opynion about him is absolutely positive, not only for his
final art, but also for how fast he was able to adapt his style into the
Disney's world. I think people as Fecchi or Branca are essential for keeping
Disney comics alive, opening new ways, different prospectives...
Finally I'll say, although that's not important in the final drawing :-),
that Massimo Fecchi is one of the best persons I've ever met, and I'm not
extremely generous on this kind of sentences.
C?sar Ferioli
Lars Jensen
Misunderstandings around Danish article
Message 119 -
2003-11-10 at 12:53:44
Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote:
> typical Danish readers like and respects Don Rosas stories and also
> like to read about him.
Not necessarily *continuously*, though. :-)
(Note the smiley.)
> I see Tony Strobls stories as typical innocent banal stories made for
> children.
Even if they were, I don't think Strobl should be blamed -- he only
*drew* most of those stories. (He didn't write them until the 1980s.)
And besides, Disney comics of the kind we see in the weekly in my
opinion *should* be made for children. If the stories also appeal to
adults, that's just a bonus.
> I have never seen any giant book dedicated to Strobls work
No, but he *does* actually make a few appearances in some of these Big
White Books.
> I do agree 100% with the one who stated that our friend Lars Jensen
> should have been mentioned in that article as well - as he is also one
> of the most well known present Danish creators, and like Don Rosa he's
> active in DCML which shows his respect and interest for the true fans
> and readers of Disney comics.
I think the one who mentioned that name was Lars Jensen himself. And he
only mentioned it to demonstrate how it would have been impossible to
mention every Disney creator ever born in that article. The reporter had
to make a choice on which names to use, and he/she did.
And, to be honest, I don't think I'm "one of the most well-known present
Danish creators". That would probably be Gorm Transgaard or Flemming
Andersen. Or perhaps Per Hedman or Bancells -- although they technically
aren't Danish, I suppose.
But thanks for the vote, though.
Oh, and by the way: I know of several "true fans" of the weekly who have
read it for many many years --and yet are not members of the DCML and
probably have no intentions of becoming so. It's possible to be a fan
and still stand on the outside, looking in.
Lars
> typical Danish readers like and respects Don Rosas stories and also
> like to read about him.
Not necessarily *continuously*, though. :-)
(Note the smiley.)
> I see Tony Strobls stories as typical innocent banal stories made for
> children.
Even if they were, I don't think Strobl should be blamed -- he only
*drew* most of those stories. (He didn't write them until the 1980s.)
And besides, Disney comics of the kind we see in the weekly in my
opinion *should* be made for children. If the stories also appeal to
adults, that's just a bonus.
> I have never seen any giant book dedicated to Strobls work
No, but he *does* actually make a few appearances in some of these Big
White Books.
> I do agree 100% with the one who stated that our friend Lars Jensen
> should have been mentioned in that article as well - as he is also one
> of the most well known present Danish creators, and like Don Rosa he's
> active in DCML which shows his respect and interest for the true fans
> and readers of Disney comics.
I think the one who mentioned that name was Lars Jensen himself. And he
only mentioned it to demonstrate how it would have been impossible to
mention every Disney creator ever born in that article. The reporter had
to make a choice on which names to use, and he/she did.
And, to be honest, I don't think I'm "one of the most well-known present
Danish creators". That would probably be Gorm Transgaard or Flemming
Andersen. Or perhaps Per Hedman or Bancells -- although they technically
aren't Danish, I suppose.
But thanks for the vote, though.
Oh, and by the way: I know of several "true fans" of the weekly who have
read it for many many years --and yet are not members of the DCML and
probably have no intentions of becoming so. It's possible to be a fan
and still stand on the outside, looking in.
Lars
KUR
Best DuckTales Episodes!
Message 120 -
2003-11-10 at 13:07:07
> I can't let a potential DuckTales discussion just drift away! My favorite
> episodes are the Donald ones! I LOVE "Sphinx for the Memories"! It still
> really creeps me out! Donald's being possessed really pushes the
envelope,
> and I love it!
I like dis episode. But I think the best Donald episode was "Spies in theyr
eyes"
> All three of the five-parters are very dear to me as well. While I am
> mostly unhappy with the later episodes, I love the Gizmoduck and Bubba
> origins.
I like five-part Gizmoduck orgin story, but I don't like last part "Money to
burn". And I like Beagle Boy's smart brother Bookworm/Megabait. To bad he
didn't aperd leter.
> "Send in the Clones" is a good one (it was the first one I watched, and it
> hooked me).
I love dis episode. Action is moving very fast and gag and plot are super.
Is dis firt episode with Magica de Spell?
> I honestly don't care much for "Till Nephews Do Us Part,"
> though. I guess I just don't buy Scrooge in it. I love The Parent Trap
> homage, though! The ASAP running gag is good too!
I like dis episode. The best part is Scrooge weding with nerlly evry
charecter from the first sesson. I even spot Magica De Spell and her
raiven Poe.
A nother good episode is "A Drain in the economic". The part wen all Beagle
Boy's atack the Money Bin was cool. And the best thing was theat they all
(exept for five of theam) was look disame like thouse Barks made.
And I one more Episode I like to mention is "Dime are enouth for Luck". I
like it bicous my three favorit charecter are in it : Scrooge, Gladstone and
Magica. The gag wen Magica take the Dime and sey's : "One Dime to rule theam
all, wan Dime to finde theam" is super ;-)
But ther is one thing I don't like in dis episode : First Scrooge tell's
Gladstone theat his Dime is not Lucky, Luck don't have nothing to do with
his fortune and it was sweet and cher's is wat makes it. But wen Magica
stell his dime
(and Scrooge didn't even notis theat) he startet to lusing money and wen hi
get the Dime
back hi started geting richer agian. I just don't like it.
Yours
Maciek
> episodes are the Donald ones! I LOVE "Sphinx for the Memories"! It still
> really creeps me out! Donald's being possessed really pushes the
envelope,
> and I love it!
I like dis episode. But I think the best Donald episode was "Spies in theyr
eyes"
> All three of the five-parters are very dear to me as well. While I am
> mostly unhappy with the later episodes, I love the Gizmoduck and Bubba
> origins.
I like five-part Gizmoduck orgin story, but I don't like last part "Money to
burn". And I like Beagle Boy's smart brother Bookworm/Megabait. To bad he
didn't aperd leter.
> "Send in the Clones" is a good one (it was the first one I watched, and it
> hooked me).
I love dis episode. Action is moving very fast and gag and plot are super.
Is dis firt episode with Magica de Spell?
> I honestly don't care much for "Till Nephews Do Us Part,"
> though. I guess I just don't buy Scrooge in it. I love The Parent Trap
> homage, though! The ASAP running gag is good too!
I like dis episode. The best part is Scrooge weding with nerlly evry
charecter from the first sesson. I even spot Magica De Spell and her
raiven Poe.
A nother good episode is "A Drain in the economic". The part wen all Beagle
Boy's atack the Money Bin was cool. And the best thing was theat they all
(exept for five of theam) was look disame like thouse Barks made.
And I one more Episode I like to mention is "Dime are enouth for Luck". I
like it bicous my three favorit charecter are in it : Scrooge, Gladstone and
Magica. The gag wen Magica take the Dime and sey's : "One Dime to rule theam
all, wan Dime to finde theam" is super ;-)
But ther is one thing I don't like in dis episode : First Scrooge tell's
Gladstone theat his Dime is not Lucky, Luck don't have nothing to do with
his fortune and it was sweet and cher's is wat makes it. But wen Magica
stell his dime
(and Scrooge didn't even notis theat) he startet to lusing money and wen hi
get the Dime
back hi started geting richer agian. I just don't like it.
Yours
Maciek