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Rodney-selfhelpbikeco
Daniel:
>My guess is that, as long as Sigvald keeps on getting room to
>justify/clarify his bad behaviour, he simply won't learn.

I wonder how many people have left the DCML because his behavior will not be corrected. I know that I've considered it many times.

rodney.

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Klaus Harms
Hi,

The off-topic part: A few weeks (or months?) ago, someone (was it Cord?)
put my attention to the new (third) wave of the Disney Treasures DVD
edition (region 1 only), which was scheduled to present (among other
material) the Chronological Donald Duck, the remaining color Mickey
Mouse shorts, and WWII Disney animation. The sets were announced to be
released early in December 2003. Now the Walt Disney Company has decided
to postpone the release into May of 2004 (reportedly due to capacity and
marketing reasons, and not due to censorship issues). On the other hand,
some DVDs from the first wave (Silly Symphonies, early color Mickey
Mouse shorts) are announced to be released in the UK (region 2).

The very off-topic part: Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
wrote:
> This [policy of ignoring a troll] is close to what I will call a rude and
> anti-democratic behaviour that doesn't belong in DCML.

From "Things to do on a Comics Message Board"
(http://www.quarterbin.net/profiles/pro22.html):

> Activity 3: Flaming, Heckling, and Inciting

> For some small subsection of Netizens, the Internet provides a rich market for insulting, browbeating, annoying, slandering, and generally harassing their fellow man. The ability to disguise oneself as text attached to an obfuscating handle tempts a such people, whom convention names trolls, to find their own pleasure by creating displeasure in others.

> Another variety of troll doesn't necessarily seek the displeasure of others so much as attention in whatever variety they can elicit it. As some children seek what counsellors call "bad attention," so too do some posters who probably passed the age of seeking bad attention many years before.

> Since either form of trolling has some reward the troll seeks, strategy suggests that one can discourage trolls by denying him his treat. Whether the treat includes angry and contentious responses or simple attention, the principle fire follows fuel (or, less politely, effluvia attract flies) suggests starving the troll should serve somewhat to discourage his unwanted behavior.

PLONK!
(and this time you stay in my kill filter forever!)

Klaus
Michiel Prior
Olaf replied to my message, but he forgot to send it also to the
mailinglist, so that's why I'm forwarding this for him. I planned to add
a short comment at the end of this message, but it got rather long,
so I'll post that later.

Michiel.

------- Forwarded message follows -------
Date sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:49:31 +0100
From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
To: m.j.prior at student.rug.nl
Subject: A question on time (was: Re: $crooge's brothers [and a lot about Ludwig])

Michiel to Lauri:
> Let's try to figure things out: "A Letter from Home takes" place
> after "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" which takes place
> after "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone" (1955) AND after
> "Return to Xanadu" which takes place after "The Valley of
> Tralla-La" (1954) AND after "The Lost Crown of Genghis
> Khan" (1956). Thus "A Letter from Home" takes place in or
> after late 1956. [One weak spot in this reasoning is that I
> deliberately choose to ignore the dates of the trophies in
> Scrooge's trophy room in "Xanadu" en "Crusaders".]
>
> Ludwig's first appearance dates from 1961 and by then he's
> already Donald's uncle. So, let's suppose Ludwig and Matilda
> married between 1956 and 1961 and after "A Letter from
> Home". [I don't know what to make of Ludwig's appearance,
> without Matilda, in "A little something special" which is
> supposed to take place in 1952.]

I notice one thing about your speculations which I see very often... We all say
that this Don Rosa-story finds place in the early 1950's, this story finds
place in the late 1950's... Even though we know they're written in the 1990's.
I have no problem with that. No problem at all.

But why doesn't this "theory" include that other stories, like Barks' ones, are
as flexible as that?

I mean... as long as you say openly that a story written in 2003 can be
happening in 1950-something, why is it so unlikely that a story written in 1956
could be happening in 1950? Only because that story is written by Carl Barks
and not by Don Rosa?

I just find it strange, as I feel the normal attitude is "this story is written
in 2000 and is taking place appr. 1950, but it is a follow-up to a story
written in 1955, thus it must be happening after 1955".

Not meant to criticize any time theory, I just wonder why it's so normal to use
two so different theories so close together.

I've always thought of Carl Barks' stories as finding place not far away from
each other cronologically - even though they span over more than twenty years.

Olaf
------- End of forwarded message -------
Daniel Van Eijmeren
ARE MYKLEBUST to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 12-11-2003:

>> Ob(v)iously that stupid journalist is wrong! The valuable items are
>> magazines *not* books.

> It isn't magazines either! The items are COMIC BOOKS! So the "stupid"
> journalist is almost correct!

I thought you would give Sigvald only ONE chance, as you wrote in your
previous email. And I beg you, please keep it that way.

--- Dani?l
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Hi all!

Lately I have received many comments and advice concerning the situation on
DCML. Some have been ignorant, simplifying and conclusive at the same level
of communication as I have often been accused for representing. I am for the
mostly ignoring such messages - just like many people here seems to ignore
mine of the same standards. However the rest of the messages have still made
me stop and think through the whole situation. I have asked myself an
essential question:

? what do I loose if I actually leave DCML?

I think that apart from the ability to address the forum I will probably not
loose much. I can still use Google to follow the debates in the forum, and I
can still use ordinary e-mail in order to address my friends with questions
or comments of any kind. That actually worked excellent before I joined
DCML.

**********
Therefore I have decided to leave DCML from this point.
**********

PS! Please notice that the rudeness shown by the Dutch DCML-mafia lately has
nothing what so ever to do with my decision ? I actually strongly thought
about remaining in DCML just to show that they can't dictate my personal
decisions.

Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Hi all!

Lately I have received many comments and advice concerning the situation on
DCML. Some have been ignorant, simplifying and conclusive at the same level
of communication as I have often been accused for representing. I am for the
mostly ignoring such messages - just like many people here seems to ignore
mine of the same standards. However the rest of the messages have still made
me stop and think through the whole situation. I have asked myself an
essential question:
? what do I loose if I actually leave DCML?
I think that apart from the ability to address the forum I will probably not
loose much. I can still use Google to follow the debates in the forum, and I
can still use ordinary e-mail in order to address my friends with questions
or comments of any kind. That actually worked excellent before I joined
DCML.

Therefore I have decided to leave DCML from this point.

PS! Please notice that the rudeness shown by the Dutch DCML-mafia lately has
nothing what so ever to do with my decision ? I actually strongly thought
about remaining in DCML just to show that they can't dictate my personal
decisions.

Sigvald
Dario
Hi to everybody,
Excuse me, but my english is not very good.
I have a question about the story W US 19-04 "Gyros Builds a Better House".
Carl Barks has drawn some sheets of paper, on the ground.
There are 3 of them (page 2: second and third panels, page 3: sixth panel).
These sheets of paper are postal letters, with the sender's name in show.
They don't have any bond with the plot of the history.
I have read the Italian version published on ZIO PAPERONE 7:
the names of the senders are: ALICE CALLOUS CORVALUS
(or perhaps CALLOLIS CORVALLIS), FLORE FLOUNCY Of KOKOMO,
CLAMMY SAMMY Of ALABAMMY).
Are these letters also present in the original version of the story?
If yes, what is the meaning of these letters?
Perhaps a homage to some fanses?

Thanks for the attention!
Best regards to everybody!!!
Daniel Van Eijmeren
OLAF SOLSTRAND to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 12-11-2003:

>> Obiously that stupid journalist is wrong! The valuable items
>> are magazines *not* books.

> If anyone is wrong here, it's Timo, not the journalist.

I disagree. I certainly don't want to hear that Timo is "wrong".
In this context, "wrong" is a very bad word to use.

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
RODNEY BOWCOCK to me, 12-11-2003:

>> My guess is that, as long as Sigvald keeps on getting room to
>> justify/clarify his bad behaviour, he simply won't learn.

> I wonder how many people have left the DCML because his behavior
> will not be corrected. I know that I've considered it many times.

Me too! And I'm getting *very* cynical about this situation.
Apparently, there are no rules on DCML. Everyone can do whatever
he/she pleases.

Come to think of it, maybe the time has come to present my 150Mb
plain text life story, in chunks on this mailing list. How many
digests would that be? If you don't like what I do, you're free to
pull your hairs out, or to start a riot of your own. That's how
the system seems to be working.

:-(

--- Dani?l
Michiel Prior
Hi Olaf,

Well, hm, *my* reason for pinning Barks' stories down to their exact
date of publication is that I need *some* dates to be exact, otherwise
there isn't any logical reasoning possible. Without dates, the
reasoning would be something like "Ludwig lives in Duckburg and
Matilda in Scotland and we never see them together and all this
takes place somewhere in the 20th century in an unidentified steady-
flowing timeloop and it isn't possible to place any story before or after
another", which is also fine, because then there's less logic to bother
about.

For such 'games of logic' as my attempt to pin down a date for
Matilda's marriage and such, one *needs* 'exact' dates to *exclude*
other possibilities. The fun is that those stories weren't intended to
be absolutely logical and show logical interdependency, and still one
is able to attempt AND find a possible logical structure to connect
them.

The fun is that Don Rosa simply wasn't allowed to show Ludwig, but
that doesn't matter, because the story still makes sense (allright,
nobody's seen it yet) and one can still have a go on it by approaching
it in a 'logical' way and finding a 'logical' reason for his absence.

One could say "Ludwig has lived forever in Duckburg", but I prefer to
say "Ludwig arrived in Duckburg in 1961" [a Strobl story].

I don't think I have answered your question yet, Olaf. I think the
answer is: the logical game won't work if all stories have 'stretchable'
dates. Which dates one chooses *not* to stretch is a matter of
preference.

Greetings,

Michiel Prior.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
OLAF SOLSTRAND, 12-11-2003:

> Sorry, Timo. Sorry, everybody. If you accept my excuse, that
> is (I realize that accepting excuses can be pretty tough on
> the DCML right now).

It's MUCH easier to *stop* feeding Sigvald, Olaf.
And I *beg* you to *finally* do that. Enough is enough.

--- Dani?l
Timo Ronkainen
>Obiously that stupid journalist is wrong! The valuable items are magazines
>*not* books.

Err.. comic book is called a book in English, even though it is not a book.
Comic book = magazine with comics, comic album or graphic novel = book with
comics.

Timo

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Timo Ronkainen
>And I don't see why Timo writing "book" instead of "comic book" would make

I just dropped "comic" off to make subject line shorter. My intention was
good... Oh gee whizz...
I would say... big deal....

Timo

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Cord Wiljes
Timo wrote:

> Err.. comic book is called a book in English, even though it
> is not a book.

And even though it may not be comic at all. Most comic books today are
neither comic nor are they books. Ils sont fous, ces Anglais ;-)

Cord
Olaf Solstrand
Quoting timo ronkainen <timoro at hotmail.com>:

> It doesn't matter if it's book or magazine or whatever... Main thing was
> that they were duck items and valuable and kept in *margarine* crate.
> OK... enough of this.

At andebyonline.com, we've been discussing this issue for a few days. The
question raised most is: "If you found the first years of Donald Duck & Co in a
margarine box - would you sell them?" Most people say no. Others have
said "It's easy to say no when you don't have the magazines - 250.000 kroner is
lots of money! Besides, the same comic books are collected and printed in
hardcover books now, so why keep on to the originals when you can get so much
money for them?".

Personally... well, I would most certainly not *sell* these comics if I had
them. If I would *buy* them is a different issue, and I guess the answer would
be "I would strongly concider it if I could afford it". Which is why I hate
auctions - everything good goes to those who have money. I don't.

Olaf
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