Klaus Harms wrote:
> A few weeks (or months?) ago, someone (was it Cord?) put
> my attention to the new (third) wave of the Disney Treasures
> DVD edition.
More info here: http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=175&t=175
Cord
Author
Topic: 200311
(421 messages)
Cord Wiljes
AW: Off-topic and very off-topic
Message 196 -
2003-11-12 at 18:02:01
Timo Ronkainen
Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate
Message 197 -
2003-11-12 at 18:05:26
Olaf:
>Sorry, Timo. Sorry, everybody. If you accept my excuse, that is (I realize
>that
>accepting excuses can be pretty tough on the DCML right now).
Accepted. You have to do better (or perhaps worse?) to hurt me ;-)
I'm just puzzled how these things go on side track. Main thing and topic
gets forgotten... Sigh.
It doesn't matter if it's book or magazine or whatever... Main thing was
that they were duck items and valuable and kept in *margarine* crate.
OK... enough of this.
Timo
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>Sorry, Timo. Sorry, everybody. If you accept my excuse, that is (I realize
>that
>accepting excuses can be pretty tough on the DCML right now).
Accepted. You have to do better (or perhaps worse?) to hurt me ;-)
I'm just puzzled how these things go on side track. Main thing and topic
gets forgotten... Sigh.
It doesn't matter if it's book or magazine or whatever... Main thing was
that they were duck items and valuable and kept in *margarine* crate.
OK... enough of this.
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
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YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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I am leaving DCML
Message 198 -
2003-11-12 at 18:10:26
Shall we have a bet about how long it takes before Sigvald sends a mail to DCML again? 8-)
On behalf of the entire Dutch DCML-mafia,
--Harry.
On behalf of the entire Dutch DCML-mafia,
--Harry.
Rodney-selfhelpbikeco
Comic book or comic magazine
Message 199 -
2003-11-12 at 18:14:55
>No she (it's a female journalist we're talking about here) is *NOT* >correct.
I don't care what your encyclopedia calls it, in this country (and obviously in other countries) they've always been called COMIC BOOKS. The phone directories in the United States list COMIC BOOK STORES, not COMIC MAGAZINE STORES.
Of course, I suppose now, you're going to attempt to prove the popular culture for the entire Western and European world wrong by spouting uninteresting facts to prove that they're actually magazines (which they are....but they're still called comic BOOKS).
rodney.
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I don't care what your encyclopedia calls it, in this country (and obviously in other countries) they've always been called COMIC BOOKS. The phone directories in the United States list COMIC BOOK STORES, not COMIC MAGAZINE STORES.
Of course, I suppose now, you're going to attempt to prove the popular culture for the entire Western and European world wrong by spouting uninteresting facts to prove that they're actually magazines (which they are....but they're still called comic BOOKS).
rodney.
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Margarine
Message 200 -
2003-11-12 at 18:20:08
Quoting Cord Wiljes <cord at wiljes.de>:
> BTW: "margarine" is quite a funny word. Its the same in German with
> identical spelling. How international is "Margarine"? Where does the
> word come from?
I wrote an answer to you where it belongs, Cord... at dcml-talk.org.
http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=201&t=201
> BTW: "margarine" is quite a funny word. Its the same in German with
> identical spelling. How international is "Margarine"? Where does the
> word come from?
I wrote an answer to you where it belongs, Cord... at dcml-talk.org.
http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=201&t=201
Cord Wiljes
Margarine
Message 201 -
2003-11-12 at 18:24:05
Timo wrote:
> It doesn't matter if it's book or magazine or whatever...
> Main thing was that they were duck items and valuable
> and kept in *margarine* crate. OK... enough of this.
BTW: "margarine" is quite a funny word. Its the same in German with
identical spelling. How international is "Margarine"? Where does the
word come from?
Cord
> It doesn't matter if it's book or magazine or whatever...
> Main thing was that they were duck items and valuable
> and kept in *margarine* crate. OK... enough of this.
BTW: "margarine" is quite a funny word. Its the same in German with
identical spelling. How international is "Margarine"? Where does the
word come from?
Cord
Don Rosa
The last straw
Message 202 -
2003-11-12 at 18:28:07
Sigvald is a very nice fellow (in person) and apparently one of my "biggest
fans". And he operates probably the best Rosa fansite out there which makes
me very proud.
But his inability to communicate in writing with anyone in a normal manner
constantly embarrasses me. This ML virtually *never* had a harsh word on it
until Sigvald joined. Since then, his ineptitude in knowing how to properly
phrase his opinions has also made me, like others, want to stop reading
these messages. But I continue, not out of any pleasure I still derive from
the Digests (which is pretty much gone now), but only to keep checking to
see if anyone poses any questions they wish me to respond to.
I don't know what Sigvald's personal problems are, and I wish I could help
him. But as you can see, nothing we say to him seems to sink in, and nothing
even I say to him in private has any effect on his behavior. And yes, I have
suggested to him in the past that he become a lurker-only on this ML, though
I expressed this to him privately to spare him any embarrassment. At one
point I even thought it worked, but not for long.
And in all fairness to Sigvald, if others stopped the pointless bickering
with him, if we just ignored his poor behavior, there'd be no problem. So he
is not 100% to blame for this situation. But he is *definitely* the
catalyst. And to ask other people not to respond to such constant and
clearly poor behavior is not fair to them.
I've finally decided it is just *too unfair* to the other members of this
once pleasant list for Sigvald to continue with his disruptive
"communication style". I have again begged him to get off the ML for good,
but it doesn't help.
So... all I can tell you is that I have told my good friend Sigvald that if
he continues to be a member of this group, I will no longer communicate with
him. I hate to do this to my friend and biggest fan, and I hope I am not
scuttling that superb Rosa-fansite he operates... but restoring the pleasant
nature of this ML is more important than that. Other people have rights,
too.
And that's the best I can do. If that doesn't work, we must leave it up to
Per's discretion.
What a shame...........
fans". And he operates probably the best Rosa fansite out there which makes
me very proud.
But his inability to communicate in writing with anyone in a normal manner
constantly embarrasses me. This ML virtually *never* had a harsh word on it
until Sigvald joined. Since then, his ineptitude in knowing how to properly
phrase his opinions has also made me, like others, want to stop reading
these messages. But I continue, not out of any pleasure I still derive from
the Digests (which is pretty much gone now), but only to keep checking to
see if anyone poses any questions they wish me to respond to.
I don't know what Sigvald's personal problems are, and I wish I could help
him. But as you can see, nothing we say to him seems to sink in, and nothing
even I say to him in private has any effect on his behavior. And yes, I have
suggested to him in the past that he become a lurker-only on this ML, though
I expressed this to him privately to spare him any embarrassment. At one
point I even thought it worked, but not for long.
And in all fairness to Sigvald, if others stopped the pointless bickering
with him, if we just ignored his poor behavior, there'd be no problem. So he
is not 100% to blame for this situation. But he is *definitely* the
catalyst. And to ask other people not to respond to such constant and
clearly poor behavior is not fair to them.
I've finally decided it is just *too unfair* to the other members of this
once pleasant list for Sigvald to continue with his disruptive
"communication style". I have again begged him to get off the ML for good,
but it doesn't help.
So... all I can tell you is that I have told my good friend Sigvald that if
he continues to be a member of this group, I will no longer communicate with
him. I hate to do this to my friend and biggest fan, and I hope I am not
scuttling that superb Rosa-fansite he operates... but restoring the pleasant
nature of this ML is more important than that. Other people have rights,
too.
And that's the best I can do. If that doesn't work, we must leave it up to
Per's discretion.
What a shame...........
Don Rosa
More misfortune
Message 203 -
2003-11-12 at 18:35:24
... and now *just* as I sent my previous message off to the ML, I receive a
form-message from Sigvald (which apparently was also sent to the ML and will
precede my other message on the next Digest) saying that he has agreed to
leave the DCML.
I think that's wise... but I wish that he had made that decision about 5
minutes earlier and prevented me from sending my message-of-frustration to
the public newsgroup.
Well, that's how these things work out.......
Here's to a better situation from this point onward......
form-message from Sigvald (which apparently was also sent to the ML and will
precede my other message on the next Digest) saying that he has agreed to
leave the DCML.
I think that's wise... but I wish that he had made that decision about 5
minutes earlier and prevented me from sending my message-of-frustration to
the public newsgroup.
Well, that's how these things work out.......
Here's to a better situation from this point onward......
Olivier
Question about a Barks's story: W US 19-04 Gyros Builds a
Message 204 -
2003-11-12 at 18:50:48
Hi everyone!
(Maybe I ought to yell so that I'll be heard over the clamor? I hope not)
Dario:
>>> I have a question about the story W US 19-04 "Gyros Builds a Better
House".
>>> Carl Barks has drawn some sheets of paper, on the ground.
>>> There are 3 of them (page 2: second and third panels, page 3: sixth
panel).
>>> These sheets of paper are postal letters, with the sender's name in
show.
>>> Are these letters also present in the original version of the story?
They sure are.
p 2 panel 2: "Callous Alice from Corvallis"
p 2 panel 3: "Flouncy Flo From Kokomo"
p 3 panel 6: "Clammy Sammy from Alabammy"
>>> If yes, what is the meaning of these letters?
>>> Perhaps a homage to some fanses?
They're just puns for the sake of it; I can't imagine anyone really being
called "Flouncy Flo". I have the faint remembrance of such puns being
mentionned on the DCML a few months ago, but certainly couldn't tell you
when by whom and about what.
You can find more such letters & puns in a few other stories; I'm sure I've
seen some recently, but can't remember in which story, and I don't have time
to search-- sorry.
The fun here consists in making up funny names and addresses with
alliterations, unusual and funny-sounding places (Kokomo) and phonetic
transcriptions (Alabammy).
They are just like the inventions in Gyro's workshop (eg, "August Accident",
Mickey Mouse Almanac 1, Dec '57: the gold separator that separates "Sane
Gold" from "Fool's Gold") or the pictures in Uncle Scrooge's office ("Bum
Dollar", "Fast Buck"-- treasure hunt time! find the stories! ie, I don't
remember where these are from, sorry).
All the best,
Olivier
(Maybe I ought to yell so that I'll be heard over the clamor? I hope not)
Dario:
>>> I have a question about the story W US 19-04 "Gyros Builds a Better
House".
>>> Carl Barks has drawn some sheets of paper, on the ground.
>>> There are 3 of them (page 2: second and third panels, page 3: sixth
panel).
>>> These sheets of paper are postal letters, with the sender's name in
show.
>>> Are these letters also present in the original version of the story?
They sure are.
p 2 panel 2: "Callous Alice from Corvallis"
p 2 panel 3: "Flouncy Flo From Kokomo"
p 3 panel 6: "Clammy Sammy from Alabammy"
>>> If yes, what is the meaning of these letters?
>>> Perhaps a homage to some fanses?
They're just puns for the sake of it; I can't imagine anyone really being
called "Flouncy Flo". I have the faint remembrance of such puns being
mentionned on the DCML a few months ago, but certainly couldn't tell you
when by whom and about what.
You can find more such letters & puns in a few other stories; I'm sure I've
seen some recently, but can't remember in which story, and I don't have time
to search-- sorry.
The fun here consists in making up funny names and addresses with
alliterations, unusual and funny-sounding places (Kokomo) and phonetic
transcriptions (Alabammy).
They are just like the inventions in Gyro's workshop (eg, "August Accident",
Mickey Mouse Almanac 1, Dec '57: the gold separator that separates "Sane
Gold" from "Fool's Gold") or the pictures in Uncle Scrooge's office ("Bum
Dollar", "Fast Buck"-- treasure hunt time! find the stories! ie, I don't
remember where these are from, sorry).
All the best,
Olivier
Olivier
Bad behavior - 150Mb biography (?)
Message 205 -
2003-11-12 at 18:55:54
Dani?l:
>>> Come to think of it, maybe the time has come to present my 150Mb
>>> plain text life story, in chunks on this mailing list.
Aw, c'm'on, your life can't take 150Mb to tell in plain text! I'm sure most
of those Mb are really taken up by story indexes and quotation quizes! ;oD
A compilation of said quizes would be a nice feature for a web page,
actually.
Olivier
>>> Come to think of it, maybe the time has come to present my 150Mb
>>> plain text life story, in chunks on this mailing list.
Aw, c'm'on, your life can't take 150Mb to tell in plain text! I'm sure most
of those Mb are really taken up by story indexes and quotation quizes! ;oD
A compilation of said quizes would be a nice feature for a web page,
actually.
Olivier
Timo Ronkainen
Question about a Barks's story: W US 19-04 Gyros Builds a
Message 206 -
2003-11-12 at 19:02:23
>Carl Barks has drawn some sheets of paper, on the ground.
>There are 3 of them (page 2: second and third panels, page 3: sixth panel).
>These sheets of paper are postal letters, with the sender's name in show.
Finnish 1959 edition omits them completely and 1977 edition shows only white
blank letter envelopes.
I'm anxious to hear what was in original.
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
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.................................
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>There are 3 of them (page 2: second and third panels, page 3: sixth panel).
>These sheets of paper are postal letters, with the sender's name in show.
Finnish 1959 edition omits them completely and 1977 edition shows only white
blank letter envelopes.
I'm anxious to hear what was in original.
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
?? Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
.................................
"Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!"
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Margarine (OT)
Message 207 -
2003-11-12 at 19:11:01
Cord:
>BTW: "margarine" is quite a funny word. Its the same in German with
>identical spelling. How international is "Margarine"? Where does the
>word come from?
Merriam-Webster says:
Etymology: French, ultimately from Greek margaron pearl, probably
back-formation from margaritEs
Date: 1873
: a food product made usually from vegetable oils churned with ripened skim
milk to a smooth emulsion and used like butter
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
?? Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
.................................
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>BTW: "margarine" is quite a funny word. Its the same in German with
>identical spelling. How international is "Margarine"? Where does the
>word come from?
Merriam-Webster says:
Etymology: French, ultimately from Greek margaron pearl, probably
back-formation from margaritEs
Date: 1873
: a food product made usually from vegetable oils churned with ripened skim
milk to a smooth emulsion and used like butter
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
?? Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
.................................
"Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
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Timo Ronkainen
Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate
Message 208 -
2003-11-12 at 19:15:44
>At andebyonline.com, we've been discussing this issue for a few days. The
>question raised most is: "If you found the first years of Donald Duck & Co
>in a
>margarine box - would you sell them?"
I guess I would sell them. With that money I could buy those hardcover
collections and Carl Barks library. :-)
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
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>question raised most is: "If you found the first years of Donald Duck & Co
>in a
>margarine box - would you sell them?"
I guess I would sell them. With that money I could buy those hardcover
collections and Carl Barks library. :-)
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
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http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
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http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
.................................
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Mark Wright
Don's "last straw"
Message 209 -
2003-11-12 at 19:20:51
Don,
I wanted to express my sympathy after reading your last letter. While
I join many others in my frustration at certain posters' continued
rudeness, I know that it can't have been an easy thing to come to the
decision you have. Embarrased or not, it is never fun to have to tell
someone who you have been friendly with that you will have to cease
communication with that person. I hope that things work out (for all
of us).
In a more positive vein, I got married a couple of months ago, and have
had great joy in sharing my collection of Rosa stories with my new
wife. She has already enjoyed "The Black Knight" and "Guardians of the
Lost Library."
Tell Ann (under whom I had 8th grade Social Studies many years ago)
"hi" for me!
Mark Baker-Wright (formerly just "Mark Wright", but marriage has a way
of changing these things...)
---------------------------------------
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Theological Seminary
G.B. Blackrock's Transformers Page:
http://home.earthlink.net/~gbblackrock/
I wanted to express my sympathy after reading your last letter. While
I join many others in my frustration at certain posters' continued
rudeness, I know that it can't have been an easy thing to come to the
decision you have. Embarrased or not, it is never fun to have to tell
someone who you have been friendly with that you will have to cease
communication with that person. I hope that things work out (for all
of us).
In a more positive vein, I got married a couple of months ago, and have
had great joy in sharing my collection of Rosa stories with my new
wife. She has already enjoyed "The Black Knight" and "Guardians of the
Lost Library."
Tell Ann (under whom I had 8th grade Social Studies many years ago)
"hi" for me!
Mark Baker-Wright (formerly just "Mark Wright", but marriage has a way
of changing these things...)
---------------------------------------
SOT Faculty Assistant: Fuller
Theological Seminary
G.B. Blackrock's Transformers Page:
http://home.earthlink.net/~gbblackrock/
Morten Lied Johansen
Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate
Message 210 -
2003-11-12 at 19:23:44
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Olaf Solstrand wrote:
> At andebyonline.com, we've been discussing this issue for a few days.
> The question raised most is: "If you found the first years of Donald
> Duck & Co in a margarine box - would you sell them?" Most people say
> no. Others have said "It's easy to say no when you don't have the
> magazines - 250.000 kroner is lots of money! Besides, the same comic
> books are collected and printed in hardcover books now, so why keep on
> to the originals when you can get so much money for them?".
<de-lurk>
My personal preference when it comes to comic books is that I want them
for the stories... which means that to *me*, I don't care if it's the
original first issue, or a reprint of that same issue... I'm in it for
the stories, which are the same in both versions. So personally... I'd
sell it in a heartbeat, and use the money to buy more comics! \o/
</de-lurk>
--
Morten
No Books Are Lost By Lending Except Those You Particularly Wanted To
Keep. -- Atwoods Corollary
> At andebyonline.com, we've been discussing this issue for a few days.
> The question raised most is: "If you found the first years of Donald
> Duck & Co in a margarine box - would you sell them?" Most people say
> no. Others have said "It's easy to say no when you don't have the
> magazines - 250.000 kroner is lots of money! Besides, the same comic
> books are collected and printed in hardcover books now, so why keep on
> to the originals when you can get so much money for them?".
<de-lurk>
My personal preference when it comes to comic books is that I want them
for the stories... which means that to *me*, I don't care if it's the
original first issue, or a reprint of that same issue... I'm in it for
the stories, which are the same in both versions. So personally... I'd
sell it in a heartbeat, and use the money to buy more comics! \o/
</de-lurk>
--
Morten
No Books Are Lost By Lending Except Those You Particularly Wanted To
Keep. -- Atwoods Corollary