In the italian version of DE 2000-03 (Topolino e un tranquillo giorno in
spiaggia), Minnie talks about her aunt "Minnina". This character exist or is
just "one more name" created only to this story?
By the way, I'm sorry to the friends around here that didn't received yet an
answer from their e-mails...I'm busy with work, but I'll answer as soon as
possible!
Fernando! :)
Author
Topic: 200311
(421 messages)
Fernando Ventura
DE 2000-03 Zia Minnina
Message 76 -
2003-11-07 at 17:27:32
Ramapith
DE 2000-03 Zia Minnina
Message 77 -
2003-11-07 at 19:52:41
Fernando,
Regarding obscure relatives, Minnie's aunt "Mineola" [Italian: Minnina] in D/E 2000-003 is just a name dropped in for convenience. I'm not aware of her being used anywhere else.
David
Regarding obscure relatives, Minnie's aunt "Mineola" [Italian: Minnina] in D/E 2000-003 is just a name dropped in for convenience. I'm not aware of her being used anywhere else.
David
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
A rare goof by Barks?
Message 78 -
2003-11-08 at 00:23:55
Hi all!
For the time being I am writing Duckburg's history for the period 1818-1902,
for the Danish Donaldist Society. I have thus recently reread WDC 256:
"Northeaster on Cape Quack". In the Norwegian translation of this story
Donald speaks about "nordvest-stormen i 1897" (= north-western storm) while
it in the US-original story is stated that the wind is a "northeaster".
As Calisota is located at the western coast of North-America and that the
sea thus is located to the west (stated by both Barks and Rosa) - this is
just like as with the Norwegian western coast. Here such storms are coming
from the west - *not* from the east. I have thus started to wonder if this
"north-easter" stuff is a rare goof by Barks. Or is there any other logical
explanation?
Are there really north-eastern-storms (apparently winds blowing from
northern Rocky mountains towards the Pacific ocean) at the North-American
western coast?
or
Is the wind direction described in another way in English than in Norwegian?
By Norwegian standards a "northeaster" would blow from north-east towards
south-west.
Sigvald
For the time being I am writing Duckburg's history for the period 1818-1902,
for the Danish Donaldist Society. I have thus recently reread WDC 256:
"Northeaster on Cape Quack". In the Norwegian translation of this story
Donald speaks about "nordvest-stormen i 1897" (= north-western storm) while
it in the US-original story is stated that the wind is a "northeaster".
As Calisota is located at the western coast of North-America and that the
sea thus is located to the west (stated by both Barks and Rosa) - this is
just like as with the Norwegian western coast. Here such storms are coming
from the west - *not* from the east. I have thus started to wonder if this
"north-easter" stuff is a rare goof by Barks. Or is there any other logical
explanation?
Are there really north-eastern-storms (apparently winds blowing from
northern Rocky mountains towards the Pacific ocean) at the North-American
western coast?
or
Is the wind direction described in another way in English than in Norwegian?
By Norwegian standards a "northeaster" would blow from north-east towards
south-west.
Sigvald
Olaf Solstrand
A rare goof by Barks?
Message 79 -
2003-11-08 at 02:48:39
Very interesting question, Sigvald!
> As Calisota is located at the western coast of North-America and that the
> sea thus is located to the west (stated by both Barks and Rosa) - this is
> just like as with the Norwegian western coast. Here such storms are coming
> from the west - *not* from the east.
I'm no expert, but I don't think you can automatically assume that the wind
must come from the same direction in Calisota as in Rogaland. And I seem to
remember from geography class that there are different types of winds.
> Are there really north-eastern-storms (apparently winds blowing from
> northern Rocky mountains towards the Pacific ocean) at the North-American
> western coast?
Seems so - at least somewhere in that area:
http://www.caplex.net/media/webbilder/3600/pic03372.jpg
> Is the wind direction described in another way in English than in
> Norwegian?
According to my until now perfect dictionary: No, it's not.
> In the Norwegian translation of this story
> Donald speaks about "nordvest-stormen i 1897" (= north-western storm) while
> it in the US-original story is stated that the wind is a "northeaster".
...you know, that could be the work of a very good translator. Assuming Barks
did NOT make a goof here, this would most likely be a case where the translator
thought "there are no northeastern storms in Norway" and changed it to a
northwestern one (as everybody knows that Duckburg is in Norway).
But, I'm no wind scientist, and I've never been to America, so I'll stop
thinking out loud now and leave it to those who have something reasonable to
say.
Olaf
> As Calisota is located at the western coast of North-America and that the
> sea thus is located to the west (stated by both Barks and Rosa) - this is
> just like as with the Norwegian western coast. Here such storms are coming
> from the west - *not* from the east.
I'm no expert, but I don't think you can automatically assume that the wind
must come from the same direction in Calisota as in Rogaland. And I seem to
remember from geography class that there are different types of winds.
> Are there really north-eastern-storms (apparently winds blowing from
> northern Rocky mountains towards the Pacific ocean) at the North-American
> western coast?
Seems so - at least somewhere in that area:
http://www.caplex.net/media/webbilder/3600/pic03372.jpg
> Is the wind direction described in another way in English than in
> Norwegian?
According to my until now perfect dictionary: No, it's not.
> In the Norwegian translation of this story
> Donald speaks about "nordvest-stormen i 1897" (= north-western storm) while
> it in the US-original story is stated that the wind is a "northeaster".
...you know, that could be the work of a very good translator. Assuming Barks
did NOT make a goof here, this would most likely be a case where the translator
thought "there are no northeastern storms in Norway" and changed it to a
northwestern one (as everybody knows that Duckburg is in Norway).
But, I'm no wind scientist, and I've never been to America, so I'll stop
thinking out loud now and leave it to those who have something reasonable to
say.
Olaf
Anders Christian Sivebæk
Northeast, northwest?
Message 80 -
2003-11-08 at 14:52:40
Hi
Sigvald and Olaf are talking about that story about the Cape Quack.
Maybe this story is from the period where Barks would situate Duckburg
exactly where he saw it fit? That's originally the whole idea of making a
state caled Calisota - a mixture of California and Minnesota giving the
possibility of many locals and every possible kind of weather - maybe this
story has Duckburg situated somewhere where the wind comes from the
northeast?
Does that storm come from the sea or land in that story?
On Monday i'm starting in the final practical period of my education for
teacher - (the period that is like an exam - we have to pass it, we get a
diploma for it, of some sort ). One of the subjects we are going to teach
is Geography, in a 7th grade, with children aged around 13 - the theme for
the 5 weeks we educate is weather and climate, so i might actually be able
to nfind the answer for this.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Sigvald and Olaf are talking about that story about the Cape Quack.
Maybe this story is from the period where Barks would situate Duckburg
exactly where he saw it fit? That's originally the whole idea of making a
state caled Calisota - a mixture of California and Minnesota giving the
possibility of many locals and every possible kind of weather - maybe this
story has Duckburg situated somewhere where the wind comes from the
northeast?
Does that storm come from the sea or land in that story?
On Monday i'm starting in the final practical period of my education for
teacher - (the period that is like an exam - we have to pass it, we get a
diploma for it, of some sort ). One of the subjects we are going to teach
is Geography, in a 7th grade, with children aged around 13 - the theme for
the 5 weeks we educate is weather and climate, so i might actually be able
to nfind the answer for this.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Fernando Ventura
Mineola, Mineola!
Message 81 -
2003-11-08 at 16:32:25
David:
Regarding obscure relatives, Minnie's aunt 'Mineola' [Italian: Minnina] in
D/E 2000-003 is just a name dropped in for convenience. I'm not aware of her
being used anywhere else."
Thank you so much, David!
By the way, I decided to keep the name "Mineola" in the Brazilian
translation I did of that story! It?ll be published in Brazil next year! :)
Fernando!
Regarding obscure relatives, Minnie's aunt 'Mineola' [Italian: Minnina] in
D/E 2000-003 is just a name dropped in for convenience. I'm not aware of her
being used anywhere else."
Thank you so much, David!
By the way, I decided to keep the name "Mineola" in the Brazilian
translation I did of that story! It?ll be published in Brazil next year! :)
Fernando!
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Misunderstandings around Danish article
Message 82 -
2003-11-08 at 18:20:03
Hi all!
A few days ago I came up with a statement about an article in a Danish
give-away newspaper called "MetroXpress". I now see that I should have
expressed myself in another and more careful way. It was *not* my intention
to hurt anyone's feelings, and I am very sorry it that happened.
However the reason I wrote what I wrote is:
a)
The mentioned article was said to be about "...the duck's history and
personality...". Niels Houlberg Hansen didn't say that this article was
concentrated about the 1950s and 1960s only, so I assumed that the article
told about the development of the duck's look and personality from the very
beginning in the 1930s until today ? in that case it would off course have
been natural to focus on Don Rosa, William van Horn and Marco Rota as well
as the old pioneers and some modern Danish creators.
b)
During my contact and meeting with Danish Disney comics readers like AC
Sivebaek, Thomas P. Lauritsen, Mads Jensen, Soeren Haagerup, Asger Brix
Jensen (whom I have not met in person), and others I have got a clear
impression that typical Danish readers like and respects Don Rosas stories
and also like to read about him.
c)
Even though I know that Tony Strobl drew "King $crooge I" and possibly some
JW-stroies for Barks I see Tony Strobls stories as typical innocent banal
stories made for children. Apparently the Italians does think the same as I
have never seen any giant book dedicated to Strobls work, while there are
many such books with stories by Barks and Gottredson and at least one book
with stories by Murry and one book with stories by Taliaferro. Thus I got an
impression of a wrong focus in the mentioned article when boring Strobl was
mentioned while the leading creators of our own time was not mentioned.
Hopefully you will now see that I didn't write my previous statement to be
harsh or anything.
PS! I do agree 100% with the one who stated that our friend Lars Jensen
should have been mentioned in that article as well - as he is also one of
the most well known present Danish creators, and like Don Rosa he's active
in DCML which shows his respect and interest for the true fans and readers
of Disney comics.
Sigvald
A few days ago I came up with a statement about an article in a Danish
give-away newspaper called "MetroXpress". I now see that I should have
expressed myself in another and more careful way. It was *not* my intention
to hurt anyone's feelings, and I am very sorry it that happened.
However the reason I wrote what I wrote is:
a)
The mentioned article was said to be about "...the duck's history and
personality...". Niels Houlberg Hansen didn't say that this article was
concentrated about the 1950s and 1960s only, so I assumed that the article
told about the development of the duck's look and personality from the very
beginning in the 1930s until today ? in that case it would off course have
been natural to focus on Don Rosa, William van Horn and Marco Rota as well
as the old pioneers and some modern Danish creators.
b)
During my contact and meeting with Danish Disney comics readers like AC
Sivebaek, Thomas P. Lauritsen, Mads Jensen, Soeren Haagerup, Asger Brix
Jensen (whom I have not met in person), and others I have got a clear
impression that typical Danish readers like and respects Don Rosas stories
and also like to read about him.
c)
Even though I know that Tony Strobl drew "King $crooge I" and possibly some
JW-stroies for Barks I see Tony Strobls stories as typical innocent banal
stories made for children. Apparently the Italians does think the same as I
have never seen any giant book dedicated to Strobls work, while there are
many such books with stories by Barks and Gottredson and at least one book
with stories by Murry and one book with stories by Taliaferro. Thus I got an
impression of a wrong focus in the mentioned article when boring Strobl was
mentioned while the leading creators of our own time was not mentioned.
Hopefully you will now see that I didn't write my previous statement to be
harsh or anything.
PS! I do agree 100% with the one who stated that our friend Lars Jensen
should have been mentioned in that article as well - as he is also one of
the most well known present Danish creators, and like Don Rosa he's active
in DCML which shows his respect and interest for the true fans and readers
of Disney comics.
Sigvald
Fecchi
Fecchi's bad style
Message 83 -
2003-11-08 at 18:27:22
Dear Sigvald,
I read your criticisms. I promise you that I'll design the panels in more traditional style in future, but please you continue to read my stories.... (Sigh!)
Ciao!
Massimo Fecchi
I read your criticisms. I promise you that I'll design the panels in more traditional style in future, but please you continue to read my stories.... (Sigh!)
Ciao!
Massimo Fecchi
Olaf Solstrand
Misunderstandings around Danish article
Message 84 -
2003-11-08 at 19:03:43
Quoting "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>:
> Apparently the Italians does think the same as I
> have never seen any giant book dedicated to Strobls work, while there are
> many such books with stories by Barks and Gottredson and at least one book
> with stories by Murry and one book with stories by Taliaferro. Thus I got
> an impression of a wrong focus in the mentioned article when boring Strobl
> was mentioned while the leading creators of our own time was not mentioned.
Hm, aren't these books meant to be concentrated on _characters_, not _creators_?
Also: Sigvald, please be careful with placing opinions in the mouth of an
entire nationality.
Olaf
> Apparently the Italians does think the same as I
> have never seen any giant book dedicated to Strobls work, while there are
> many such books with stories by Barks and Gottredson and at least one book
> with stories by Murry and one book with stories by Taliaferro. Thus I got
> an impression of a wrong focus in the mentioned article when boring Strobl
> was mentioned while the leading creators of our own time was not mentioned.
Hm, aren't these books meant to be concentrated on _characters_, not _creators_?
Also: Sigvald, please be careful with placing opinions in the mouth of an
entire nationality.
Olaf
Katie Sullivan
Nor'easters in Duckburg
Message 85 -
2003-11-08 at 20:11:39
Once upon a time (circa seventh grade) I wanted to be a
meterologist, and I still watch the Weather Channel on TV all
the time, so I might be qualified to give an answer here.
"Nor'easters" are indeed storms that strike the eastern coast of
the U.S. They start usually off the coast of the Georgia/South
Carolina area, then move up the coast. The term is, logically,
never applied to storms on the west coast. There isn't a
particular term besides just plain old "gale" or "storm" that
applies to storms striking the west U.S. coast.
I believe there are also times when Barks refers to "hurricanes"
hitting Duckburg (the jumping frog story?) True hurricanes
don't hit that part of the continent. Sometimes a tropical
storm will make it to southern California from the Pacific, but
it's extremely rare. A few times the remnants of a typhoon have
crossed the Pacific and slammed the "Calisota" part of the
country, but by then they aren't true tropical systems, and have
made most or all of the transition to "extratropical." It could
be argued that a few generations ago "hurricane" was popularly
used to refer to ANY windstorm, regardless of its tropical
origin. Nowadays the word is, as far as I know, exclusively
used to refer to large circular weather systems originating in
the tropics, with winds over 74 mph. ;)
I would say these meterologicaly anomalies are an example of
Barks writing whatever would make a good story at the time,
without worrying about specifics. After all, in "Christmas on
Bear Mountain" the ducks bemoan the fact that there's no snow in
Duckburg for Christmas, while in just about every other holiday
story there is. They also referred to living in Burbank in some
early stories, didn't they? Barks wasn't going to let little
things like geography and science stand in the way of a good
story, was he? ;)
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/
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meterologist, and I still watch the Weather Channel on TV all
the time, so I might be qualified to give an answer here.
"Nor'easters" are indeed storms that strike the eastern coast of
the U.S. They start usually off the coast of the Georgia/South
Carolina area, then move up the coast. The term is, logically,
never applied to storms on the west coast. There isn't a
particular term besides just plain old "gale" or "storm" that
applies to storms striking the west U.S. coast.
I believe there are also times when Barks refers to "hurricanes"
hitting Duckburg (the jumping frog story?) True hurricanes
don't hit that part of the continent. Sometimes a tropical
storm will make it to southern California from the Pacific, but
it's extremely rare. A few times the remnants of a typhoon have
crossed the Pacific and slammed the "Calisota" part of the
country, but by then they aren't true tropical systems, and have
made most or all of the transition to "extratropical." It could
be argued that a few generations ago "hurricane" was popularly
used to refer to ANY windstorm, regardless of its tropical
origin. Nowadays the word is, as far as I know, exclusively
used to refer to large circular weather systems originating in
the tropics, with winds over 74 mph. ;)
I would say these meterologicaly anomalies are an example of
Barks writing whatever would make a good story at the time,
without worrying about specifics. After all, in "Christmas on
Bear Mountain" the ducks bemoan the fact that there's no snow in
Duckburg for Christmas, while in just about every other holiday
story there is. They also referred to living in Burbank in some
early stories, didn't they? Barks wasn't going to let little
things like geography and science stand in the way of a good
story, was he? ;)
Katie Sullivan
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Nor'easters in Duckburg
Message 86 -
2003-11-08 at 20:23:05
Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com> wrote:
> It could be argued that a few generations
> ago "hurricane" was popularly used to refer
> to ANY windstorm, regardless of its tropical
> origin. Nowadays the word is, as far as I
> know, exclusively used to refer to large
> circular weather systems originating in
> the tropics, with winds over 74 mph.
This seems to be wrong. In a Norwegian encyclopaedia I have found a correct
definition for "orkan" (=hurricane). It says that hurricane is the strongest
wind-strength in Beuforts scale (strength 12 = over 32,6 meters per second).
This definition fits well with how the word is used in Norwegian.
By the way what is 74 mph. in meters per second? Can anyone here come up
with a formula for that?
Sigvald
> It could be argued that a few generations
> ago "hurricane" was popularly used to refer
> to ANY windstorm, regardless of its tropical
> origin. Nowadays the word is, as far as I
> know, exclusively used to refer to large
> circular weather systems originating in
> the tropics, with winds over 74 mph.
This seems to be wrong. In a Norwegian encyclopaedia I have found a correct
definition for "orkan" (=hurricane). It says that hurricane is the strongest
wind-strength in Beuforts scale (strength 12 = over 32,6 meters per second).
This definition fits well with how the word is used in Norwegian.
By the way what is 74 mph. in meters per second? Can anyone here come up
with a formula for that?
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Misunderstandings around Danish article
Message 87 -
2003-11-08 at 20:52:48
Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:
>> Apparently the Italians does think the same,
>> as I have never seen any giant book dedicated
>> to Strobls work, while there are many such
>> books with stories by Barks and Gottredson
>> and at least one book with stories by Murry
>> and one book with stories by Taliaferro.
>
> Hm, aren't these books meant to be concentrated
> on _characters_, not _creators_?
Both. Most of the books I have (18 of them I think) are concentrated both on
characters and creators. Examples are:
Jeg, Donald Duck (Carl Barks)
Jeg, Onkel Skrue (Carl Barks)
Jeg, Mikke Mus (Floyd Gottfredson)
Jeg, Langbein (Floyd Gottfredson)
Donald Duck 365 historier (Al Taliaferro)
Vi, Mikke og Langbein (Paul Murry)
Etc.
> Also: Sigvald, please be careful with placing
> opinions in the mouth of an entire nationality.
Sure, I am! This time I have *not* stated anything on behalf of "all Danish
raders" nor "most Danish readers", not even "many Danish readers". I have
only presented a few friends as "typical Danish readers".
Sigvald
>> Apparently the Italians does think the same,
>> as I have never seen any giant book dedicated
>> to Strobls work, while there are many such
>> books with stories by Barks and Gottredson
>> and at least one book with stories by Murry
>> and one book with stories by Taliaferro.
>
> Hm, aren't these books meant to be concentrated
> on _characters_, not _creators_?
Both. Most of the books I have (18 of them I think) are concentrated both on
characters and creators. Examples are:
Jeg, Donald Duck (Carl Barks)
Jeg, Onkel Skrue (Carl Barks)
Jeg, Mikke Mus (Floyd Gottfredson)
Jeg, Langbein (Floyd Gottfredson)
Donald Duck 365 historier (Al Taliaferro)
Vi, Mikke og Langbein (Paul Murry)
Etc.
> Also: Sigvald, please be careful with placing
> opinions in the mouth of an entire nationality.
Sure, I am! This time I have *not* stated anything on behalf of "all Danish
raders" nor "most Danish readers", not even "many Danish readers". I have
only presented a few friends as "typical Danish readers".
Sigvald
Olaf Solstrand
Nor'easters in Duckburg
Message 88 -
2003-11-08 at 21:20:32
> By the way what is 74 mph. in meters per second? Can anyone here come up
> with a formula for that?
74 miles per hour? Well, if my until now perfect dictionary has right in that a
mile is 1609 metres, that would be
x miles/hour = x * 1609 metres/hour = x * 1609 / 3600 metres/second = 0,447x
metres/second.
When x = 74,
74 mph = 74 * 0,447 m/s = 33 m/s.
Olaf
> with a formula for that?
74 miles per hour? Well, if my until now perfect dictionary has right in that a
mile is 1609 metres, that would be
x miles/hour = x * 1609 metres/hour = x * 1609 / 3600 metres/second = 0,447x
metres/second.
When x = 74,
74 mph = 74 * 0,447 m/s = 33 m/s.
Olaf
Olaf Solstrand
Misunderstandings around Danish article
Message 89 -
2003-11-08 at 21:28:14
> Sure, I am! This time I have *not* stated anything on behalf of "all Danish
> raders" nor "most Danish readers", not even "many Danish readers". I have
> only presented a few friends as "typical Danish readers".
No, I was thinking of you saying "apparently the Italians does think the same".
Olaf
> raders" nor "most Danish readers", not even "many Danish readers". I have
> only presented a few friends as "typical Danish readers".
No, I was thinking of you saying "apparently the Italians does think the same".
Olaf
Tarjei
Comics Popularity
Message 90 -
2003-11-08 at 22:21:36
Hi all!
Just a brief note from a lurker regarding something half on-topic which might
be of interest:
Here's a site which ranks 'OECD:Share of Frequent short-text (particularly
comics) readers (15 years old) [2000]' for a range of countries.
http://web.hhs.se/personal/Suzuki/o-English/ed12.html
Regards
Tarjei Kidd Olsen
Just a brief note from a lurker regarding something half on-topic which might
be of interest:
Here's a site which ranks 'OECD:Share of Frequent short-text (particularly
comics) readers (15 years old) [2000]' for a range of countries.
http://web.hhs.se/personal/Suzuki/o-English/ed12.html
Regards
Tarjei Kidd Olsen