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I dont see any faults in attempting new panel designs for Disney stories.
Barks has tried that sometimes in the past too, by showing DD's hat or a
certain character hand or fingers crossing the panel's border for just a
bit, maybe not too radical but still a funny small detail. also the
inclusion of "small view" such as sunset and or moon in the text box that
shows "In the morning" or such etc.

imho Rosa has also experimented in creating new panel designs to work with
his duck stories to create more visible impact according to the story's plot
and mood. One obvious panel design is the "45 degrees panels" (i dunno what
Don and the others call it) he used in "Sharpie of the Culebra Cut" where
the "building" US in is drifting down.

So maybe new inventive way of panel designs arent a sacrilege to the Disney
stories. sure some of the designs by various disney comic artists might not
suit one's taste but that doesnt mean it's forbidden to do that. i
personally havent had any access to the said story of Mr. Fecchi and im
looking forward to the story that has caused the long debate here in DCML.

Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal

There also were some pretty inventive panel layouts in Barks'
Scrooge/Gyro story in "disneyland birthday party" (the one in
Scrooge and Gyro travel to the moon to find a crystal even harder
than Scrooge's Forbidium save.)

Fecchi's stories have a very dynamic and modern panel layout because
they also have very modern plots, often in futuristic settings, with
lots of cinematic action. So in my opinion the art fits the content
perfectly.

Cord

> I love your close look at the Magica episodes. I had never considered any
of
> this previously! I like that she's after the harp in "Raiders of the Lost
> Harp" too.

A strange thing obaut dis episode : Magica home (mount vesuvius) is in som
sort of forest while, in rest of the episodes she live in vulcano on the
midle of the ocean (wich look like a Sfinks with Magica head).

And one more thing theat shout have dibate here is Poe de Spell. In "Send in
the Clones" it was told theat he is relly Magica brother whou was turn in
the Raven. In some other Duck Tales episode he aperd dis fackt was not
mention.
Did in some "Duck Tales" comics was mention theat he actualy her brother?

> I'm glad you mentioned "Magica's Shadow War." That
> episode creeped me out big time when I was a child! I still think the
image of
> her huge, frightening shadow is pretty potent stuff. I also love that
moment
> when things go wrong with the stadium lights and all of the other shadows
> appear.

The episode wich relly crep me out was "Hotell StrangeDuck". The cementary,
the scary face of the wall and the gout... It's ollsow spoky....

Yours
Maciek

Quoting Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>:

> First, on the subject of Rumpus, I see him as existing in a
> different universe or continuity than the Barks/Rosa one. So I
> don't hurt my brain too much trying to figure out how he would
> fit into that family tree. ;-)
> Has Van Horn ever used (or mentioned by name) Hortense or
> Matilda? Didn't Don Rosa come up with the name "Fergus" as
> Scrooge's father's name, since Barks only called him by the
> nickname "Scottie" or somesuch?
> It seems like Van Horn freely borrows bits and pieces of other
> authors' universes, and ignores others. I'm NOT saying this is
> a bad thing! It's fun, and certainly within his right! (Rosa
> does this too, after all--the "earning the first dime by shining
> a ditchdigger's boots" scene wasn't a Barks idea but came from
> another author whose name escapes me at the moment...Strobl?)
> But I'm just wondering what other bits of the Barks/Rosa
> continuity have been picked up by Van Horn.

If I'm to guess: (note, this is a pure guess. I have no background whatsoever
for saying so.)

I think that Van Horn from the second he invented Rumpus thought of him as
Scrooge's brother (or half-brother). In Rumpus' first story, "It's all
relative" (written 1991), he's referred to by Donald as "uncle". How normal is
it to refer to your mother's cousin as your uncle? (Well, I see that as
possible - after all, that's what Huey, Dewey and Louie did, assuming Della is
their mother.)

Problem was, before Van Horn got to writing Rumpus' second story, Egmont had
published Lo$ and the Don Rosa family tree. In this, which now would be
Egmont's "official" family tree, no brother of Scrooge was mentioned. So, when
Rumpus makes his second appearance in "Say Uncle!", he's presented as Scrooge's
cousin. A good explanation to why he's not on the family tree - NONE of
Scrooge's cousins are.

But he's NOT Scrooge's cousin, is he... no, that's just a clever way of
sneaking Rumpus past the family tree. As long as his brotherhood to Scrooge is
a well-kept secret, no wonder it's not in the family tree. As long as Rumpus
himself doesn't know, how could Don Rosa know? That way, there's no reason to
explain this any further. First, Don Rosa draws a family tree. Then, Rumpus
suddenly finds a letter from his mother. From THERE the siblinghood
Scrooge/Rumpus begins. And that way, if a nosy teenager asks "oh yeah, but if
they're siblings, how come Rumpus is not on the family tree?" - one can answer
that nobody knew of this siblinghood when the family tree was drawn, instead of
making up an explanation for why Scrooge's life-long brother wasn't in
Scrooge's family tree only because he hadn't appeared in any stories yet (which
is NOT a good explanation when talking to kids).

And from there, Rumpus can slide into the role he was intended to play - as
Donald's lazy and food-loving uncle in "Ain't it the truth", as Scrooge's a
little naive brother in "A dime for your thoughts" and as the selfish sneak we
know from the first two Rumpus stories in "Full circle". Brilliant, isn't it?
Donald has a new uncle, and we know the "reason" he's not on the family tree.

OK, that's my guess. Any of our friends at Egmont who wants to tell me how
wrong I am? (or, naturally, Mr. Van Horn himself if he happens to read this.)

Olaf

Me:
>>I think it was Hank Porter.
Stefan Persson:
>There are two famous Disney signatures. Which of them are you talking
>about?

Sorry about delayed reply. It was this one:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/disneylogo.jpg
don't remember where I read about this, but I'm sure it was this one that
was said to be designed by Porter. That's what I read.

Timo

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Looks like this never reached DCML. I post this one more time.

Stefan:
>There are two famous Disney signatures. Which of them are you talking
>about?

It was this one:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/disneylogo.jpg

I don't remember where I read about this, but this one was said to be
designed by Porter.

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At 20.45 10/11/2003 +0100, Luca Boschi <totemboschi at libero.it> wrote:

>it seems that the very
>first Flinthearth's non-barksian story is Italian, and specifically Zio
>Paperone e il bisbilione, written by Osvaldo Pavese, art by Giuseppe Perego,
>in "Topolino" n. 608 (23-07-1967).

Correct.

>Moreover, this story also clearly states the *ufficial* Italian translation
>of Flinthearth Glomgold into Cuordipietra Famedoro, even if this very name
>was used only one time before, in translating original Barks' stories.

Sorry to contradict you, but this is not correct IMHO.
Glomgold appears again a few weeks later on "Topolino" in the story you
certainly know very well I TL 615-A (Paperino e i candidati al CIAO)
written by Guido Martina and drawn by G. B. Carpi. He is called "Mac Gold"
in that story, as you certainly remember.
What you probably forgot is that when a couple of years later Osvaldo
Pavese uses again that character (in the story I TL 813-B (Zio Paperone e
la pepita astrale) again drawn by Perego (!) he calls him "Mac Gold"!!!
So probably in those years somebody (Martina?) had decided that <Mac Gold>
was the Italian name of Flinthearth Glomgold.

When I TL 813-B was reprinted in "Classici Disney" #70, several years
later, the story was partially re-lettered to change all references from
<Mac Gold> to <Cuordipietra Famedoro>. I daresay the name "Cuordipietra
Famedoro" had become "official" by that time...

Marco

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