Olaf:
> Hm... I notice that in INDUCKS (or COA?)
Inducks is the name of the database, COA is the search website that uses the Inducks database.
> And as for U MMA 3-B34, I have never seen it.
> Was this really Donald's first appearance, meaning everything I've
> heard about "The wise little hen" is wrong?
There seems to be a picture of a duck in that text story, and the text mentions "Donald Duck". But it's debatable whether that duck is *the* Donald Duck.
--Harry.
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H.W.Fluks
Donald's first appearance
Message 391 -
2003-11-25 at 18:29:11
Daniel J. Neyer
Gladstone's Luck
Message 392 -
2003-11-25 at 20:12:07
Gladstone wasn't lucky in "Links Hijinks"--Donald winds up losing to him
through a stratagem that backfires. In fact, in this story it's Donald
who has the incredible luck, lobbing a golf ball past all obstacles and
into the hole--but of course, the luck is negated when Donald's ball hits
a duplicate he had already planted there.
Didn't Gladstone appear in one other story before "Race to the South
Seas"? I'm thinking of the Swami Swindle story, where both Donald and
Gladstone try to raise ten dollars for Daisy's club but lose out the
nephews. In this story, the Gander doesn't have any advantage over
Donald, and is just a "rival braggart" as in the Wintertime Wager story.
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through a stratagem that backfires. In fact, in this story it's Donald
who has the incredible luck, lobbing a golf ball past all obstacles and
into the hole--but of course, the luck is negated when Donald's ball hits
a duplicate he had already planted there.
Didn't Gladstone appear in one other story before "Race to the South
Seas"? I'm thinking of the Swami Swindle story, where both Donald and
Gladstone try to raise ten dollars for Daisy's club but lose out the
nephews. In this story, the Gander doesn't have any advantage over
Donald, and is just a "rival braggart" as in the Wintertime Wager story.
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Ferioli
Message 393 -
2003-11-26 at 11:19:58
I now checked: Ferioli has indeed been on DCML for quite some time.
Apparently he has been so silent that everyone forgot about that.
For people who want to know what mr. Ferioli looks like, here are some recent photos:
http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2003/p03-07.html
--Harry.
Apparently he has been so silent that everyone forgot about that.
For people who want to know what mr. Ferioli looks like, here are some recent photos:
http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2003/p03-07.html
--Harry.
Gerd Syllwasschy
Gladstone's luck
Message 394 -
2003-11-26 at 13:45:19
Daniel J. Neyer:
> Gladstone wasn't lucky in "Links Hijinks"--Donald winds up losing to him
> through a stratagem that backfires. In fact, in this story it's Donald
> who has the incredible luck, lobbing a golf ball past all obstacles and
> into the hole--but of course, the luck is negated when Donald's ball hits
> a duplicate he had already planted there.
I second that.
> Didn't Gladstone appear in one other story before "Race to the South
> Seas"? I'm thinking of the Swami Swindle story, where both Donald and
> Gladstone try to raise ten dollars for Daisy's club but lose out the
> nephews. In this story, the Gander doesn't have any advantage over
> Donald, and is just a "rival braggart" as in the Wintertime Wager story.
Yes, that's WDC 95 "Gladstone Returns" mentioned by Olaf. There is a third
Gladstone story drawn (and probably published) before "Race to the South
Seas", namely WDC 103 "Rival Beachcombers.
Gerd
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> Gladstone wasn't lucky in "Links Hijinks"--Donald winds up losing to him
> through a stratagem that backfires. In fact, in this story it's Donald
> who has the incredible luck, lobbing a golf ball past all obstacles and
> into the hole--but of course, the luck is negated when Donald's ball hits
> a duplicate he had already planted there.
I second that.
> Didn't Gladstone appear in one other story before "Race to the South
> Seas"? I'm thinking of the Swami Swindle story, where both Donald and
> Gladstone try to raise ten dollars for Daisy's club but lose out the
> nephews. In this story, the Gander doesn't have any advantage over
> Donald, and is just a "rival braggart" as in the Wintertime Wager story.
Yes, that's WDC 95 "Gladstone Returns" mentioned by Olaf. There is a third
Gladstone story drawn (and probably published) before "Race to the South
Seas", namely WDC 103 "Rival Beachcombers.
Gerd
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Gladstone's luck
Message 395 -
2003-11-26 at 15:56:52
Hi,
To sum it up neatly for Maciek, here's the first ten Barks stories featuring
Gladstone (in chronological order of creation):
W WDC 88 [Wintertime Wager]
W WDC 95 [Gladstone Returns]
W WDC 96 [Links Hijinks]
W WDC 103 [Rival Beachcombers]
W MOC 41 Race to the South Seas
W WDC 110 [The Goldilocks Gambit]
W OS 256 Luck of the North
W WDC 111 [Donald's Love Letters]
W OS 263 Trail of the Unicorn
W WDC 117 [Wild about Flowers]
"Race" is the first story featuring his supernatural luck. The story starts
with Gladstone being the usual "rival braggart". He is even surprised, when
Scrooge gives him a yacht as a present (Donald gets one, too). But okay,
that might as well be, because it's not the most typical thing for Scrooge
to do... ;-) Then, totally unexpected, Donald mentions Gladstone's luck
on page 6. The very first "lucky thing" happening to him: he doesn't have to
finance his rescue trip himself, because others are impressed by his heroic
plan to save Scrooge. Of course, the first four pages of "Luck Of The North"
serve as a far more satisfying introduction of Gladstone's outstanding
character trait.
Interestingly, in "Goldilock" and "Love Letters", there's no trace of his
luck at all. It seems, in the early days Barks used Gladstone mainly as a
rival, lucky or not. "Knightly Rivals" (WDC 128) is another example of a
luck-neutral Gladstone, but, come to think of it, there are probably a few
later stories as well, falling into this category.
Frank (obviously bored)
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To sum it up neatly for Maciek, here's the first ten Barks stories featuring
Gladstone (in chronological order of creation):
W WDC 88 [Wintertime Wager]
W WDC 95 [Gladstone Returns]
W WDC 96 [Links Hijinks]
W WDC 103 [Rival Beachcombers]
W MOC 41 Race to the South Seas
W WDC 110 [The Goldilocks Gambit]
W OS 256 Luck of the North
W WDC 111 [Donald's Love Letters]
W OS 263 Trail of the Unicorn
W WDC 117 [Wild about Flowers]
"Race" is the first story featuring his supernatural luck. The story starts
with Gladstone being the usual "rival braggart". He is even surprised, when
Scrooge gives him a yacht as a present (Donald gets one, too). But okay,
that might as well be, because it's not the most typical thing for Scrooge
to do... ;-) Then, totally unexpected, Donald mentions Gladstone's luck
on page 6. The very first "lucky thing" happening to him: he doesn't have to
finance his rescue trip himself, because others are impressed by his heroic
plan to save Scrooge. Of course, the first four pages of "Luck Of The North"
serve as a far more satisfying introduction of Gladstone's outstanding
character trait.
Interestingly, in "Goldilock" and "Love Letters", there's no trace of his
luck at all. It seems, in the early days Barks used Gladstone mainly as a
rival, lucky or not. "Knightly Rivals" (WDC 128) is another example of a
luck-neutral Gladstone, but, come to think of it, there are probably a few
later stories as well, falling into this category.
Frank (obviously bored)
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Donald's first appearance
Message 396 -
2003-11-26 at 16:27:37
TIMO RONKAINEN to ..., 25-11-2003:
> Mickey Mouse Annual doesn't have the very same Donald Duck as we
> know him. English 1932 appearance is more of like coincidence:
> a duck-character just having the same name. I think this was
> discussed here some time ago.
"Little Wise Hen" doesn't contain the very same Donald Duck as we know
him, either.
Instead of coincidence, I'm thinking of character development. And in
Donald's case, his name apparently came first, while his appearance was
still a rough sketch. It's a duck. A large duck? A small duck? With or
without clothes? And what kind of clothes? That was decided later, but
it started with a duck named Donald Duck.
(Or, was it the other way around? People designing a human-like duck in
a sailor suit, and *then* being reminded of a good sounding name they've
used a few years before, in 1932?)
Just some thoughts. I know little about those early years.
--- Dani?l
> Mickey Mouse Annual doesn't have the very same Donald Duck as we
> know him. English 1932 appearance is more of like coincidence:
> a duck-character just having the same name. I think this was
> discussed here some time ago.
"Little Wise Hen" doesn't contain the very same Donald Duck as we know
him, either.
Instead of coincidence, I'm thinking of character development. And in
Donald's case, his name apparently came first, while his appearance was
still a rough sketch. It's a duck. A large duck? A small duck? With or
without clothes? And what kind of clothes? That was decided later, but
it started with a duck named Donald Duck.
(Or, was it the other way around? People designing a human-like duck in
a sailor suit, and *then* being reminded of a good sounding name they've
used a few years before, in 1932?)
Just some thoughts. I know little about those early years.
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Salt on a bird's tail (US 22)
Message 397 -
2003-11-26 at 16:36:39
MATTHEW WILLIAMS to me, 19-11-2003:
>> "Two sensible questions I ask, and get two SENSELESS answers!
>> I'm beginning to think I left a screw loose!"
> Gyro is talking about his machine that can answer "any" question!
> This untitled story was originally printed in Uncle Scrooge #22.
> I was tickled to hear a friend tell her son the other day that
> putting salt on a bird's tail was a surefire way to catch a bird!
Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already
existed before Barks used it in this story?
If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original
thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?)
> This short has always been one of my favorites!
Mine too! It's hilarious! (And a bit philosophical, I think.)
--- Dani?l
>> "Two sensible questions I ask, and get two SENSELESS answers!
>> I'm beginning to think I left a screw loose!"
> Gyro is talking about his machine that can answer "any" question!
> This untitled story was originally printed in Uncle Scrooge #22.
> I was tickled to hear a friend tell her son the other day that
> putting salt on a bird's tail was a surefire way to catch a bird!
Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already
existed before Barks used it in this story?
If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original
thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?)
> This short has always been one of my favorites!
Mine too! It's hilarious! (And a bit philosophical, I think.)
--- Dani?l
Lars Jensen
Phantom Duck (was Best Ducktales Episodes)
Message 398 -
2003-11-26 at 21:29:26
jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu wrote:
> [...] Donald's Superhero disguise Phantom Duck
Phantom Duck?! Do you mean PK/Duck Avenger?
Lars
> [...] Donald's Superhero disguise Phantom Duck
Phantom Duck?! Do you mean PK/Duck Avenger?
Lars
Lars Jensen
American Pie
Message 399 -
2003-11-26 at 22:12:43
Harry Fluks wrote:
>> I seem to
>> remember hearing that Dave Rawson is American, but I can't
>> say for sure.
>
> Yep, he's American. From Hollywood, California.
> See for a photo: http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa3.html
> (Or some older photographs at
> http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j1997/p97-01.html )
When did Dave start wearing glasses? Oh, and I like the fact that you're
on a photo titled "The Rawsons", Harry. Is there something you'd like to
tell us?
>> Correct me if I'm
>> wrong, but John Lustig is American, isn't he?
>
> Yes, he is! Just like Michael T. Gilbert, for instance.
> See http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa2.html
In case somebody wonders: John Lustig is the one with glasses.
> Dave and John used to be DCML members.
When did they leave?
Lars
>> I seem to
>> remember hearing that Dave Rawson is American, but I can't
>> say for sure.
>
> Yep, he's American. From Hollywood, California.
> See for a photo: http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa3.html
> (Or some older photographs at
> http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j1997/p97-01.html )
When did Dave start wearing glasses? Oh, and I like the fact that you're
on a photo titled "The Rawsons", Harry. Is there something you'd like to
tell us?
>> Correct me if I'm
>> wrong, but John Lustig is American, isn't he?
>
> Yes, he is! Just like Michael T. Gilbert, for instance.
> See http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa2.html
In case somebody wonders: John Lustig is the one with glasses.
> Dave and John used to be DCML members.
When did they leave?
Lars
SRoweCanoe
Salt on a bird's tail (US 22)
Message 400 -
2003-11-27 at 00:33:42
In a message dated 11/26/2003 9:25:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dve at kabelfoon.nl writes:
<<Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already
existed before Barks used it in this story?
If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original
thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?)>>
not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story....
if you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you
can capture it.
it was common useage by at least the 1840s
(mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if not
earlier
steven rowe
dve at kabelfoon.nl writes:
<<Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already
existed before Barks used it in this story?
If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original
thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?)>>
not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story....
if you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you
can capture it.
it was common useage by at least the 1840s
(mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if not
earlier
steven rowe
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Salt on a bird's tail (US 22)
Message 401 -
2003-11-27 at 02:48:35
STEVEN ROWE to me, 26-11-2003:
>> Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already
>> existed before Barks used it in this story?
>> If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original
>> thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?)
> not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story.... if
> you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you
> can capture it.
No! You ain't kidding! Or could it be that you coincidentally are a
"BIG machine that can answer ANY question", or something? :-)
> it was common useage by at least the 1840s
> (mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if
> not earlier
Are there websites which have investigated this folk story of sprinkling
salt on a bird's tail? That trick doesn't really work, does it?
--- Dani?l <- in shock
"Well, if you want to check it out, ASK THE BIRD!"
>> Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already
>> existed before Barks used it in this story?
>> If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original
>> thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?)
> not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story.... if
> you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you
> can capture it.
No! You ain't kidding! Or could it be that you coincidentally are a
"BIG machine that can answer ANY question", or something? :-)
> it was common useage by at least the 1840s
> (mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if
> not earlier
Are there websites which have investigated this folk story of sprinkling
salt on a bird's tail? That trick doesn't really work, does it?
--- Dani?l <- in shock
"Well, if you want to check it out, ASK THE BIRD!"
SRoweCanoe
Salt on a bird's tail (US 22)
Message 402 -
2003-11-27 at 03:18:24
In a message dated 11/26/2003 7:33:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dve at kabelfoon.nl writes:
>> not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story.... if
>> you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you
>> can capture it.
>No! You ain't kidding! Or could it be that you coincidentally are a
">BIG machine that can answer ANY question", or something? :-)
i recall going with my brother with a salt shaker looking for birds,
this would be the late 1950s....
>> it was common useage by at least the 1840s
>> (mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if
>> not earlier
>Are there websites which have investigated this folk story of sprinkling
>salt on a bird's tail? That trick doesn't really work, does it?
yes, there are websites (which is where I got the sir walter scott cite).
dunno if any one has actually put salt on a birds tail
steven rowe
dve at kabelfoon.nl writes:
>> not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story.... if
>> you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you
>> can capture it.
>No! You ain't kidding! Or could it be that you coincidentally are a
">BIG machine that can answer ANY question", or something? :-)
i recall going with my brother with a salt shaker looking for birds,
this would be the late 1950s....
>> it was common useage by at least the 1840s
>> (mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if
>> not earlier
>Are there websites which have investigated this folk story of sprinkling
>salt on a bird's tail? That trick doesn't really work, does it?
yes, there are websites (which is where I got the sir walter scott cite).
dunno if any one has actually put salt on a birds tail
steven rowe
Ninie Poulsen
Salt on a bird's tail (US 22)
Message 403 -
2003-11-27 at 07:38:30
I think it's like... If you can actually sneak up to a bird, close
enough to put salt on it's tail, you could grab it...
The mere act of sprinkling salt shouldn't prevent the bird from flying
(http://www.eskimo.com/~icebrkr/truelies.html)
F. Sprinkle salt on a bird's tail to catch it by preventing it flying
away.
T. If the bird let you get close enough to salt its tail, you could grab
it.
(From: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/folklore-faq/part4/)
-99E.
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From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]
On Behalf Of Daniel van Eijmeren
Sent: 27. november 2003 01:49
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: Re: Salt on a bird's tail (US 22)
STEVEN ROWE to me, 26-11-2003:
>> Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already
>> existed before Barks used it in this story?
>> If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original
>> thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?)
> not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story.... if
> you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you
> can capture it.
No! You ain't kidding! Or could it be that you coincidentally are a
"BIG machine that can answer ANY question", or something? :-)
> it was common useage by at least the 1840s
> (mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if
> not earlier
Are there websites which have investigated this folk story of sprinkling
salt on a bird's tail? That trick doesn't really work, does it?
--- Dani?l <- in shock
"Well, if you want to check it out, ASK THE BIRD!"
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enough to put salt on it's tail, you could grab it...
The mere act of sprinkling salt shouldn't prevent the bird from flying
(http://www.eskimo.com/~icebrkr/truelies.html)
F. Sprinkle salt on a bird's tail to catch it by preventing it flying
away.
T. If the bird let you get close enough to salt its tail, you could grab
it.
(From: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/folklore-faq/part4/)
-99E.
-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]
On Behalf Of Daniel van Eijmeren
Sent: 27. november 2003 01:49
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: Re: Salt on a bird's tail (US 22)
STEVEN ROWE to me, 26-11-2003:
>> Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already
>> existed before Barks used it in this story?
>> If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original
>> thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?)
> not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story.... if
> you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you
> can capture it.
No! You ain't kidding! Or could it be that you coincidentally are a
"BIG machine that can answer ANY question", or something? :-)
> it was common useage by at least the 1840s
> (mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if
> not earlier
Are there websites which have investigated this folk story of sprinkling
salt on a bird's tail? That trick doesn't really work, does it?
--- Dani?l <- in shock
"Well, if you want to check it out, ASK THE BIRD!"
_______________________________________________
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H.W.Fluks
American Pie
Message 404 -
2003-11-27 at 12:49:42
Lars:
> > See for a photo: http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa3.html
> > (Or some older photographs at
> > http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j1997/p97-01.html )
>
> When did Dave start wearing glasses?
Somewhere between 1997 and 2000. 8-)
> Oh, and I like the fact that you're
> on a photo titled "The Rawsons", Harry. Is there something
> you'd like to tell us?
It gets very boring to add my own name to many photos in my album.
Therefore: The Tanks, The Gilberts, The Rawsons, The Van Aagtens.
(And maybe also "The Jensens" in a few days? 8-)
> > Dave and John used to be DCML members.
>
> When did they leave?
Maybe they didn't leave, but are only lurking.
--Harry.
> > See for a photo: http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa3.html
> > (Or some older photographs at
> > http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j1997/p97-01.html )
>
> When did Dave start wearing glasses?
Somewhere between 1997 and 2000. 8-)
> Oh, and I like the fact that you're
> on a photo titled "The Rawsons", Harry. Is there something
> you'd like to tell us?
It gets very boring to add my own name to many photos in my album.
Therefore: The Tanks, The Gilberts, The Rawsons, The Van Aagtens.
(And maybe also "The Jensens" in a few days? 8-)
> > Dave and John used to be DCML members.
>
> When did they leave?
Maybe they didn't leave, but are only lurking.
--Harry.
KUR
Gladstone's luck
Message 405 -
2003-11-27 at 13:53:52
> To sum it up neatly for Maciek, here's the first ten Barks stories
featuring
> Gladstone (in chronological order of creation):
Why thank you, you relly shuden't :-)
> W WDC 88 [Wintertime Wager]
> W WDC 95 [Gladstone Returns]
> W WDC 96 [Links Hijinks]
> W WDC 103 [Rival Beachcombers]
> W MOC 41 Race to the South Seas
I had read "Rival Beachombers". Maby his not Lucky but tricky however on
page 4, panel 7 Gladstone sey "Anny wey, now mather whou will find It [the
Rubi] - I wil get moust of it, I have Luck (...) " (in m transletion from
Polish to English).
I just see how thous Carl Barks storys are conected : in "The Goldilocks
Gambit" Gladstone Is having a Job (him? A job? Now wey) and in "Gladstone
terebilly secret" Gladstone sey he have only one job in whole his Live. See
the conecsion? :-)
Yours
Maciek
featuring
> Gladstone (in chronological order of creation):
Why thank you, you relly shuden't :-)
> W WDC 88 [Wintertime Wager]
> W WDC 95 [Gladstone Returns]
> W WDC 96 [Links Hijinks]
> W WDC 103 [Rival Beachcombers]
> W MOC 41 Race to the South Seas
I had read "Rival Beachombers". Maby his not Lucky but tricky however on
page 4, panel 7 Gladstone sey "Anny wey, now mather whou will find It [the
Rubi] - I wil get moust of it, I have Luck (...) " (in m transletion from
Polish to English).
I just see how thous Carl Barks storys are conected : in "The Goldilocks
Gambit" Gladstone Is having a Job (him? A job? Now wey) and in "Gladstone
terebilly secret" Gladstone sey he have only one job in whole his Live. See
the conecsion? :-)
Yours
Maciek