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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

> No, I was thinking of you saying "apparently
> the Italians does think the same".

Well obviously I addressed the Italian publishers - *not* the Italian
people.

Sigvald
Katie Sullivan
I wrote:
> > It could be argued that a few generations
> > ago "hurricane" was popularly used to refer
> > to ANY windstorm, regardless of its tropical
> > origin. Nowadays the word is, as far as I
> > know, exclusively used to refer to large
> > circular weather systems originating in
> > the tropics, with winds over 74 mph.

To which Sigvald replied:
> This seems to be wrong. In a Norwegian encyclopaedia I have
> found a correct
> definition for "orkan" (=hurricane). It says that hurricane is
> the strongest
> wind-strength in Beuforts scale (strength 12 = over 32,6
> meters per second).
> This definition fits well with how the word is used in
> Norwegian.

There are many ways the word "hurricane" can be used in American
English. By far the most common, in my experience, is to refer
to those large, circular storms from the tropics. The strongest
rating on the Beaufort scale of wind intensity is listed as
"hurricane force," yes. So your dictionary is partially right.
Thirdly, the word can also simply mean "a strong wind storm."
For example, Rose Wilder Lane (I think that's her name, she was
the famous Laura Ingalls Wilder's daughter) wrote a book titled
"Let the Hurricane Roar," and she was referring to windy storms
on the great American prairie.

And as someone (Olaf?) said, mph = miles per hour. I don't know
what that is in kilometers per hour, and I'm too horrible at
math to hazard a guess. ;)
That is the scientific definition of a hurricane.

This might help...
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/tcfaqHED.html
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/A1.html
http://www.fema.gov/kids/hurr.htm (I'm not trying to be
insulting by linking to a kids' site. It's really a good site,
and the language probably isn't as complicated for a non-native
speaker to translate. I'm also biased in their favor because
they have some of my artwork on their site. ;)

We're getting off-topic but if you're still confused you can
e-mail me.

Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/

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Mads Jensen
Hi

I am really curious to listen to the record that followed the deluxe edition of the Mickey Mouse in Color book, so is it possible that anyone (who owns the book, of course ;-)) could make an mp3 out of the record ? I know it's a vinyl record, but I would be really greatful if anyone could do this!

Best wishes,
Mads
Søren Krarup Olesen
SIGVALD:

> Sure, I am! This time I have *not* stated anything on behalf of "all
> Danish raders" nor "most Danish readers", not even "many Danish
> readers". I have only presented a few friends as "typical Danish
> readers".

Hm. But those friends are also core members (and founders) of the only
donaldist society in Denmark, so, to use the word "typical" is perhaps
not appropriate here.

S?ren
(not so typical either :-)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 08-11-2003:

> However the reason I wrote what I wrote is: [...]
> b)
> During my contact and meeting with Danish Disney comics readers like
> AC Sivebaek, Thomas P. Lauritsen, Mads Jensen, Soeren Haagerup,
> Asger Brix Jensen (whom I have not met in person), and others I have
> got a clear impression that typical Danish readers like and respects
> Don Rosas stories and also like to read about him.

How many times do people need to tell you to stop misusing other
people's names when defending your opinion?

And how many times do people need to tell you that it's sick to
complain just about every article which could have mentioned your
favourite artist, but simply didn't?

HOW MANY TIMES, SIGVALD??? HELLO! DO YOU READ ME? OVER?

Anyway. I think it's better to not mention an artist at all, than to
let an artist's name being abused over and over again by an obsessed
fan, who's religiously crazy about showing "respect" to that artist.

--- Dani?l
Jonathan H. Gray
>Dear Sigvald,
>
>I read your criticisms. I promise you that I'll design the panels in more
>traditional style in future, but please you continue to read my stories....
> (Sigh!)
>
>Ciao!
>
>Massimo Fecchi

i thought your panel layers were just fine and very original Mr. Fecchi.
Sometimes IMO its nice to have something different and new from the norm. :)

Jonathan H. Gray

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Matthew Williams
On Thursday, Maciek wrote:

>If you ask me the best episode was "Send in the Clones" and "Till Nephews
Do Us Part."

I can't let a potential DuckTales discussion just drift away! My favorite
episodes are the Donald ones! I LOVE "Sphinx for the Memories"! It still
really creeps me out! Donald's being possessed really pushes the envelope,
and I love it!

All three of the five-parters are very dear to me as well. While I am
mostly unhappy with the later episodes, I love the Gizmoduck and Bubba
origins. While I love the Bubba serial, I am still amused by how lame the
general idea of Bubba is. There is some degree of ludicrousness that I can
accept and love in the duck world, but whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Scrooge's adopting
a little cave duck is a bit much.

"Send in the Clones" is a good one (it was the first one I watched, and it
hooked me). I honestly don't care much for "Till Nephews Do Us Part,"
though. I guess I just don't buy Scrooge in it. I love The Parent Trap
homage, though! The ASAP running gag is good too!

Incidentally, on Saturday morning I popped a six hour tape full of episodes
in the VCR. My little boy and I watched for a couple of hours, and we had a
ball! "Duckman of Aquatraz" really struck me. Scrooge's character seems
really off (he's such a nice guy), but I love the character of Mad Dog
McGurk! I did feel myself affected somewhat by the sentiment.
Additionally, we watched a few of the Barks adaptations including "Robot
Robbers" and "The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan." While I like both episodes,
I am amazed that NOTHING of Barks remains!

Matt (Who is always glad to ramble on about the seminal event of his
childhood)
Matthew Williams
Jonathan H. Gray wrote:

>i thought your panel layers were just fine and very original Mr. Fecchi.
>Sometimes IMO its nice to have something different and new from the norm.
:)

Ditto from me! I haven't seen much of your work, Mr. Fecchi, but I love
your art and panel layouts in "The Deep" and "Time of Reckoning." I like a
variety of styles in my comics! I think the panel layouts suit the fast
pacing of the stories well. I felt really drawn in. The third page of
"Time of Reckoning" is genius! I found myself staring at it quite a while.
At any rate, don't change your style because of one bit of criticism.

Matt
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Hi all!

First I can tell Mr. Fecchi that I off course will continue to read his and
other creators stories in the DD Pocket books as long as most of the stories
presented there are done in a more traditional style.

Secondly I think it's important to notice that it's Americans (Matthew
Williams and Jonathan H. Gray) who so far has supported the "untraditional
style" here on DCML in this round. My guess is that it is because that's an
American style well known from Marwells super hero stories, and from 1999 to
2003 (in the non-Disney period in the USA) such Marwell stuff was probably
the comics most commonly read by our two mentioned friends. Thus I am not
sure if their view are representative for the whole of DCML.

Third - copying Marwells style may be original in the world od Disney
comics, but it is not what I will call specially experimenting or inventive.

Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl> wrote:

> HOW MANY TIMES, SIGVALD??? HELLO!
> DO YOU READ ME? OVER?

Please calm down Daniel! This negative and IMO unnecessary focus on my
person is not what DCML needs at this point. The situation has been quite
calm at DCML for several months now, please help keeping it that way.

I am very sorry if I did mention my Danish friends in a way that should have
been avoided on DCML. It was not my intention to misuse their names in any
way.

Sigvald
Olaf Solstrand
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Sigvald wrote:
> Secondly I think it's important to notice that it's Americans (Matthew
> Williams and Jonathan H. Gray) who so far has supported the "untraditional
> style" here on DCML in this round. My guess is that it is because that's an
> American style well known from Marwells super hero stories, and from 1999
> to 2003 (in the non-Disney period in the USA) such Marwell stuff was
> probably the comics most commonly read by our two mentioned friends. Thus I
> am not sure if their view are representative for the whole of DCML.

I think it's important to notice that it's a Norwegian (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
who so far has supported the "traditional style" here on DCML in this round. My
guess is that it is because this is a style he does not know from Dinsei's duck
stories, and from 1990 to 2003 (in the Don Rosa period in Norway) such Dinsei
stuff was probably the comics most commonly read by our mentioned friend. Thus
I am not sure if his view is representative for the whole of DCML.

Sigvald, haven't you noticed that both Brazilians and Norwegians have written
that they LOVE this style?

http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-October/025375.html
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-October/025376.html

Why do you have to always assume that every sane person in the world agree with
you in everything, and if they don't, that's because they've got some bad
influence? It is NORMAL to have different taste. It is NORMAL to accept that
others have different taste than you. And it is NORMAL to accept that not all
comic books are made for you and you alone. It is NOT normal to always think
that everybody agrees with you, like you do in this case. Sigvald, YOU'RE the
_only_ person who's said anything bad about this style so far. Until now, four
or five people have said their opinion against yours. And you just say
that "these people are Americans, thus they've read Marvel, thus they've had
bad influence, thus their opinions aren't important, this everybody agree with
me". It's not like that!

I normally prefer saying things only once, but it's obvious that someone didn't
hear me last time I said it (although he answered me), so: Dear Sigvald, dear
Massimo, I'm a Norwegian, and I'm proud to say that I _LIKE_ Fecchi's panel
design! I even like it _BETTER_ than the traditional style!

But my view may not be that important, as I read as much as *TWO* of Marvel's
superhero stories in my life.

Olaf
Søren Krarup Olesen
SIGVALD:

> Third - copying Marwells style may be original in the world od Disney
> comics, but it is not what I will call specially experimenting or
> inventive.

Well, copying Barks' universe, like your favourite artist and writer
does is not experimenting nor inventive either, is it?

I really enjoy the fact that Massimo Fecchi has joined us here on this
mailing list. Do I sense some "lack of respect" (bleah!) for this gentleman?

Sigvald, I really like you as a person (especially after we met) but
your appreciation of one single artist seems to "overshadow" your sense
of general judging.

I know (by now), that you will ignore this mail, just like you ignored
the several others. Perhaps, you'll take a little pause, and then return
with the usual read-an-article-without-Don-being-mentioned stuff.

Grow up, Sigvald! Or don't grow up, but let that be in the Peter Pan
sense then :-)

S?ren
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

> Sigvald, haven't you noticed that both
> Brazilians and Norwegians have written
> that they LOVE this style?

Yes, but that was during the last round of this discussion - before Mr.
Fecchi commented this topic himself.

> Why do you have to always assume that every
> sane person in the world agree with you in
> everything, and if they don't, that's because
> they've got some bad influence?

You seem to have got me wrong. I am sorry if I have expressed myself in a
way that can be interpreted that way. I assume nothing more than I am not
completely alone with my opinions in this matter.

> It is NORMAL to have different taste. It is
> NORMAL to accept that others have different
> taste than you. And it is NORMAL to accept
> that not all comic books are made for you and
> you alone.

Yes, off course. So far I agree 100% with you.

> It is NOT normal to always think that everybody
> agrees with you, like you do in this case.
> Sigvald.

I have never believed that everyone agrees with me in this question, but
hopefully some people do.

> ...you just say that "these people are
> Americans, thus they've read Marvel, thus
> they've had bad influence...

Nope, I have never used the term "bad influence". And I don't mean that
either. It's more correct to say that they are influenced by non-Disney
comics. Disney and Marvel are *not* the same - I guess everybody here can
agree about that - so why should Disney comics then look like Marvel comics?

Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
S?ren Krarup Olesen <raptus at stofanet.dk> wrote:

> I really enjoy the fact that Massimo Fecchi
> has joined us here on this mailing list.

Me too!

I read a lot of Italian Disney comics and would love to learn more about
that from DCML. After all it was just the style in one single story I did
comment, not the person himself, nor his entire production.

Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Hi all!

Right now mr. Fecchi's panel-style is a frequent debated topic here on DCML.
The responses to my late comments about that topic seems to indicate an
underlying problem on DCML ? the "rule of correctness". This unwritten rule
says that it's OK to be positive to a matter like mr. Fecchi's panel-style,
while it's not really OK to be critical or negative to the same.

Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are drawn in the
"traditional style". Why is it so if I am the only one in DCML who actually
prefer Disney comics drawn that way? IMO the only way to understand this is
that other DCMLers who tends to agree with me in this concrete matter for
some reason decides to remain quit ? could that be because criticism of this
kind is not seen as correct behaviour in DCML?

Sigvald
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