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Mats Rune Gullikstad
Michiel Prior wrote this:
>Let's try to figure things out: "A Letter from Home takes" place after "The
>Crown of the Crusader Kings" which takes place after "The Fabulous
>Philosopher's Stone" (1955) AND after "Return to Xanadu" which takes place
>after "The Valley of Tralla-La" (1954) AND after "The Lost Crown of Genghis
>Khan" (1956). Thus "A Letter from Home" takes place in or after late 1956.
>[One weak spot in this reasoning is that I deliberately choose to ignore
>the dates of the trophies in Scrooge's trophy room in "Xanadu" en
>"Crusaders".]

It would have been fun making a sort of timeline for Carl Barks' and Don
Rosa's duck stories!
I think I'm going to make one (at least try), but I need some help. So if
anybody has got ideas or tips, I'll be happy!
Thanks for the inpiration, Michiel!

Mats

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Michael Naiman
I have listed numerous Rosa and Barks items on eBay this weekend.
Michael Naiman
Jonathan H. Gray
I never saw that episode till now. House Of Mouse isnt exactly my favorite,
but I was glad to see that it was the Barks model Scrooge. I also have to
say that Scrooge in a pimp suit=comedy gold. :)

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>From: Michael Naiman <mnaiman1 at cox.net>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Rosa and Barks
>Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:59:23 -0800
>
>I have listed numerous Rosa and Barks items on eBay this weekend.
>
>Michael Naiman
>
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Cord Wiljes
Mads wrote:

> I am really curious to listen to the record that followed the
> deluxe edition of the Mickey Mouse in Color book, so is it
> possible that anyone (who owns the book, of course ;-)) could
> make an mp3 out of the record ? I know it's a vinyl record,
> but I would be really greatful if anyone could do this!

If I remember correctly this was just a few minutes short and the sound
was rather fogged. It probably originated in a tape recording which was
intended as a basis for a transcription.

I am not sure who holds the copyright for this record. But if someone
knows if it is O.K. to share it as an mpeg I could try to make one
(never did before, so there is no guaranteee I will succeed.)

Cord
Mads Jensen
Hi

I'm not sure if this goes for the whole World, but at least in Denmark
it's legal to make an analog piece of music/sound into a digital sound
recording. This is at least what I've heard!

Does someone know what the laws on this matter say in other countries ?

best wishes,
Mads
Timo Ronkainen
>Denmark it's legal to make an analog piece of music/sound into a digital
>sound recording.

I think it's legal almost anywhere else too, but to distribute it, that's
totally different case. If you put it on the net, it's illegal.
But still.... It would be nice to hear that recording. :-)

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Cord Wiljes
Mads wrote:

> I'm not sure if this goes for the whole World, but at least
> in Denmark it's legal to make an analog piece of music/sound
> into a digital sound recording. This is at least what I've heard!

Here in Germany to my knowledge:

+ digital to digital: not allowed
+ analog to analog: allowed
+ digital to analog: allowed (?)
+ analog to digital: ?

All assuming non-commercial copying, of course.

It would also be interesting to find out who actually holds the
copyright of the recording. Another Rainbow (Bruce Hamilton?)? The
person who taped it? The heirs of Barks and Gottfredson? Or could it
public domain?

Cord
Olaf Solstrand
Quoting Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl>:

> What follows are some other quotes from the story. Olaf didn't ask for
> them, maybe but could be because these legal phrases are missing in the
> Norwegian translation? (Or did you only need a few quotes, instead of
> all of them, Olaf?)

Hello, Daniel - these phrases are not missing in the Norwegian translation. I
just didn't think of asking for them, as what I _really_ needed were the quotes
from Sharky himself.

Although, I was just about to ask for these as well - so thank you very much,
Daniel.

Olaf
Daniel Van Eijmeren
JENNIFER INANTAZ to OLAF SOLSTRAND, 28-10-2003

About Barks's "The Golden Helmet", OS 408:

> Sharky's legal language on page 7 is, "Flickus, flackus, fumdeedledum!"

In panel 27.5, a nephew uses this line, too.
But this time it means, "We're back on the hook again!"

What follows are some other quotes from the story. Olaf didn't ask for
them, maybe but could be because these legal phrases are missing in the
Norwegian translation? (Or did you only need a few quotes, instead of
all of them, Olaf?)

In panel 28.3, a nephew says "Griftus, graftus, gaspus!"
Meaning, "Unca Donald's turned out to be a dirty snake!"

In panel 31.6, Donald says "Nikus, nokus, nopus!"
Meaning, "I DON'T WANT TO!"

In panel 31.8, a nephew says Yikkus, yakkus, youbettus!"
Meaning, "YES!"

Earlier mails about this subject, with other quotes and translations:
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-October/025601.html
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-October/025603.html

--- Dani?l

- "Sharky, I wonder if there isn't such a thing as PUNISHMENT!"
- "Not with a smart lawyer, sir!"

(Carl Barks, OS 408)
M.J. Prior
Larry Giver:
> I didn't recall seeing any dates on trophies on display...

Olaf Solstrand:
> I think what Michiel meant here, was...

Olaf is right. I meant 'dates of the stories in which
Scrooge found those trophies'.

Michiel Prior:
> Thus "A Letter from Home" takes place in or
> after late 1956.

Assuming that "Genghis Khan", "Xanadu" and "Crusader
Kings" all take place in 1956, "A Letter from Home" can't
take place before 1957, because "Crusader Kings" takes
place in December (1956?) and January (1957?).

Note that I only started this timeline reasoning in trying
to fix a date for Ludwig and Matilda's marriage. For me,
'between 1957 and 1961' is close enough, but this theory
needn't necessarily be a valid one and one could still
argue for earlier dates. Not that there's very much point
in trying to fix a date for their marriage in the first
place.

Katie Sullivan:
> I just assumed that [Matilda] was still too mad at
> Scrooge to come to the jubilee, while Ludvig was more
> forgiving and came for the nephews' sake, if nothing else.

Or let's suppose Ludwig was already a friend or personal
advisor to Scrooge in 1952 [like Gyro] and that Scrooge
introduced them to each other after "A Letter from Home".
[I don't think I like this theory, because Ludwig didn't
arrive in Duckburg before 1961 and certainly couldn't have
been a *regular* personal advisor to Scrooge before that.]

Mats Rune Gullikstad:
> It would have been fun making a sort of timeline for Carl > Barks' and Don Rosa's duck stories!
> I think I'm going to make one (at least try), but I need > some help. So if anybody has got ideas or tips, I'll be > happy!

That's going to be tough, Mats. I think one needs a lot of
patience and persistence to complete such a difficult
task. Oh wait... you're the one who's working on that
*awesome* Money Bin model, isn't it? I guess that's
allright, then. ;)

Some ideas and tips:

"The Son of the Sun" takes place after "The Treasury of
Croesus" because Scrooge's trophies in "Sun" include some
coins from Croesus' treasury.

There's a date on the newspaper at the end of "The Sharpie
of the Culebra Cut". The 'framestory' for "Culebra" takes
place after "Back to the Klondike" because Donald teases
Scrooge about Goldie.

You need to 'stretch' the dates for the first appearances
of Magica and Flintheart, because both turn up in "A
Little Something Special" which is supposed to take place
in 1952.

"Gyro's 1st Invention" takes place after "Statuesque
Spendthrifts" and "A Christmas for Shacktown" and before
Gyro's first appearance. Don Rosa wrote us that this is
not 'in tune' with the 'original date' for "Statues", so
you'll need to figure that out.

I think that even if it's possible to place each story
before or after another without meeting any incongruities,
you will have a hard time by trying to assign dates to
each story, because the nephews hardly grow any older, so
all stories take place within 5-10 years or so. My
solution would be to ignore this and work with the dates
of publication of Barks' stories.

And honestly, even though my mails may suggest otherwise,
I think this whole timeline thing shouldn't be taken very
seriously. It may work to connect and arrange about seven
stories, but I'm afraid it won't work for the whole canon.

I mean... er, well, I feel I've said too much already.

Greetings,

Michiel Prior.
Olaf Solstrand
Quoting Nils Lid Hjort <nils at math.uio.no>:
> When was Mickey's first appearance in a comic book?

Seems as if it was this:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YM+000//_
...or this:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YM+001//_

So, that's January 1930.
Nils Lid Hjort
Apparently, Mickey was "created" November 18, 1928.
Has this been discussed on the list? I made a brief
check but couldn't see this topic raised. There's
something on this in "breakfast television" tomorrow
morning (main Norwegian channel), and someone I know
is already quite nervous about the prospect of being
interviewed there. "The influence of Mickey Mouse on
modern society and civilisation has been (cough cough)
tremendous ...".

When was Mickey's first appearance in a comic book?

Nils Lid Hjort
Olaf Solstrand
Quoting Stefan Persson <spe at inducks.org>:
> Newspaper ??? comic book.

True... I misread Nils' question. I thought "comic", not "comic book". Sorry.

Hmm... Is "Mickey Mouse Annual" a comic book? If so, that was 1930 as well...
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/issue.php/0/uk/MMA++1

Otherwise, I have no idea.

Olaf
Michiel Prior
Larry Giver:
> As I recall, Rosa also showed the flattened 1916 quarter in
> Scrooge's store room in another story.

So that's what it was! I thought it might be Scrooge's huge
inflatable rubber coin from "Uncle Scrooge the Lemonade
King" or one of those huge stone coins from that Strobl story
about the huge stone coins.

Michiel Prior.
Stefan Persson
Olaf Solstrand wrote:
> Quoting Nils Lid Hjort <nils at math.uio.no>:
>
>>When was Mickey's first appearance in a comic book?
>
> Seems as if it was this:
> http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YM+000//_
> ...or this:
> http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YM+001//_
>
> So, that's January 1930.

Newspaper ? comic book.

Stefan
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