Quote from user: marrkThis article talks a bit more about the upcoming Uncle Scrooge series
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Topic: Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
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Robb_K
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 106 -
2015-02-07 at 09:13:58
Marrk
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 107 -
2015-02-07 at 09:22:31
Whoops! This should work. http://www.previewsworld.com/home/1/1/71/977?articleID=159839
edit: The link was incorrect again. this is the good one
edit: The link was incorrect again. this is the good one
Clinton Coot
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 108 -
2015-02-07 at 11:53:12
Quote from user: dkenny78Quote from user: clinton cootIf they ever do a faithfull adaptations of comics, I hope they won't call it a "DuckTales reboot", since that hypothetical based-on-comics series would not have anything to do with DuckTales, except that its predecessor was also (loosely) based on comics. Anyway, since the purpose of a reboot is to delete a previous continuity, I hope that Donald's service in the Navy is not mentioned at all.
There is an enormous amount of nostalgia for 'Duck Tales' that, from a marketing standpoint, I can't imagine Disney would ever greenlight a reboot without utilizing the name. Whether that reboot is a true reboot (outside of the original continuity as you suggest) or a canon continuation of the original series I would speculate is less important to them.
Is DuckTales still popular 25 years after it ended? Well, I guess somewhat it is, or they wouldn't make another videogame based on it. Surely Americans are the ones who know the answer, not only because Disney shows are produced in USA, bit also because they can better judge how much a series is popular (unlike in Europe, in USA animation seems much more popular than comics, though as the subject of is topic proves comics are not dead).
By the way, the chance of a series that faithfully adapts comics is so slim that I am amused that I found myself debating whether such a series should be called a reboot or not and which title should it have. :)
I guess you are right about marketing strategies, plus "DuckTales" is not a bad title, as it just means "stories about the Ducks".
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderI think we're missing the elephant in the room here. I'd argue it's already harder to get an emotional reaction to cartoon characters compared to humans, never mind when they're half-dressed funny animals, but somehow Barks managed it (see Luck of the North, et al).
But surely nobody expects an audience to take A Christmas for Shacktown seriously if the main character talks like THAT? Donald's speech impediment incredibly distracting if you're forced to listen to him say sensible things (so not things like "Wak! Why, you dirty --- oh, <gulp> hiya, toots!").
I disagree wholeheartedly. I have no problem taking ANY speech made in Donald's voice seriously. To me. The Ducks are "Ducklike people" ("Duck People"). They look in part, somewhat like ducks, sounding "somewhat like ducks"(rather than exactly like humans, helps, rather than hurts that belief. To me, having these characters sound exactly like humans actually takes me OUT of their World, and makes it impossible for me to concentrate on "the duck World", because I'm constantly seeing that the voices don't match their bodies. Apparently, on this question I am the exact opposite of all the other posters on this thread who have commented on this issue,
I remember what you wrote about this issue, which is why I wrote "most people got used to normal voices for HDL" instead of "everybody" (originally my message even referred to you, but then I rewrote it before submitting it).
Well, I guess our views are just opposite: I see the Ducks as human being charicaturally drawn with some animal features, so it wouldn't take me out of their world to hear them with human voices (if anything takes me out of their world, that's the duck voices).
By the way, if the human voice would prevent you from concentrating to the stories, you can still do the experiment I suggested about having one of your friends who can do Donald's voice read few lines from the comics and post a recording of that to see the results.
There is an enormous amount of nostalgia for 'Duck Tales' that, from a marketing standpoint, I can't imagine Disney would ever greenlight a reboot without utilizing the name. Whether that reboot is a true reboot (outside of the original continuity as you suggest) or a canon continuation of the original series I would speculate is less important to them.
Is DuckTales still popular 25 years after it ended? Well, I guess somewhat it is, or they wouldn't make another videogame based on it. Surely Americans are the ones who know the answer, not only because Disney shows are produced in USA, bit also because they can better judge how much a series is popular (unlike in Europe, in USA animation seems much more popular than comics, though as the subject of is topic proves comics are not dead).
By the way, the chance of a series that faithfully adapts comics is so slim that I am amused that I found myself debating whether such a series should be called a reboot or not and which title should it have. :)
I guess you are right about marketing strategies, plus "DuckTales" is not a bad title, as it just means "stories about the Ducks".
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderI think we're missing the elephant in the room here. I'd argue it's already harder to get an emotional reaction to cartoon characters compared to humans, never mind when they're half-dressed funny animals, but somehow Barks managed it (see Luck of the North, et al).
But surely nobody expects an audience to take A Christmas for Shacktown seriously if the main character talks like THAT? Donald's speech impediment incredibly distracting if you're forced to listen to him say sensible things (so not things like "Wak! Why, you dirty --- oh, <gulp> hiya, toots!").
I disagree wholeheartedly. I have no problem taking ANY speech made in Donald's voice seriously. To me. The Ducks are "Ducklike people" ("Duck People"). They look in part, somewhat like ducks, sounding "somewhat like ducks"(rather than exactly like humans, helps, rather than hurts that belief. To me, having these characters sound exactly like humans actually takes me OUT of their World, and makes it impossible for me to concentrate on "the duck World", because I'm constantly seeing that the voices don't match their bodies. Apparently, on this question I am the exact opposite of all the other posters on this thread who have commented on this issue,
I remember what you wrote about this issue, which is why I wrote "most people got used to normal voices for HDL" instead of "everybody" (originally my message even referred to you, but then I rewrote it before submitting it).
Well, I guess our views are just opposite: I see the Ducks as human being charicaturally drawn with some animal features, so it wouldn't take me out of their world to hear them with human voices (if anything takes me out of their world, that's the duck voices).
By the way, if the human voice would prevent you from concentrating to the stories, you can still do the experiment I suggested about having one of your friends who can do Donald's voice read few lines from the comics and post a recording of that to see the results.
Robb_K
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 109 -
2015-02-07 at 18:18:21
Quote from user: clinton cootQuote from user: dkenny78Quote from user: clinton cootIf they ever do a faithfull adaptations of comics, I hope they won't call it a "DuckTales reboot", since that hypothetical based-on-comics series would not have anything to do with DuckTales, except that its predecessor was also (loosely) based on comics. Anyway, since the purpose of a reboot is to delete a previous continuity, I hope that Donald's service in the Navy is not mentioned at all.
There is an enormous amount of nostalgia for 'Duck Tales' that, from a marketing standpoint, I can't imagine Disney would ever greenlight a reboot without utilizing the name. Whether that reboot is a true reboot (outside of the original continuity as you suggest) or a canon continuation of the original series I would speculate is less important to them.
Is DuckTales still popular 25 years after it ended? Well, I guess somewhat it is, or they wouldn't make another videogame based on it. Surely Americans are the ones who know the answer, not only because Disney shows are produced in USA, bit also because they can better judge how much a series is popular (unlike in Europe, in USA animation seems much more popular than comics, though as the subject of is topic proves comics are not dead).
By the way, the chance of a series that faithfully adapts comics is so slim that I am amused that I found myself debating whether such a series should be called a reboot or not and which title should it have. :)
I guess you are right about marketing strategies, plus "DuckTales" is not a bad title, as it just means "stories about the Ducks".
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderI think we're missing the elephant in the room here. I'd argue it's already harder to get an emotional reaction to cartoon characters compared to humans, never mind when they're half-dressed funny animals, but somehow Barks managed it (see Luck of the North, et al).
But surely nobody expects an audience to take A Christmas for Shacktown seriously if the main character talks like THAT? Donald's speech impediment incredibly distracting if you're forced to listen to him say sensible things (so not things like "Wak! Why, you dirty --- oh, <gulp> hiya, toots!").
I disagree wholeheartedly. I have no problem taking ANY speech made in Donald's voice seriously. To me. The Ducks are "Ducklike people" ("Duck People"). They look in part, somewhat like ducks, sounding "somewhat like ducks"(rather than exactly like humans, helps, rather than hurts that belief. To me, having these characters sound exactly like humans actually takes me OUT of their World, and makes it impossible for me to concentrate on "the duck World", because I'm constantly seeing that the voices don't match their bodies. Apparently, on this question I am the exact opposite of all the other posters on this thread who have commented on this issue,
I remember what you wrote about this issue, which is why I wrote "most people got used to normal voices for HDL" instead of "everybody" (originally my message even referred to you, but then I rewrote it before submitting it).
Well, I guess our views are just opposite: I see the Ducks as human being charicaturally drawn with some animal features, so it wouldn't take me out of their world to hear them with human voices (if anything takes me out of their world, that's the duck voices).
By the way, if the human voice would prevent you from concentrating to the stories, you can still do the experiment I suggested about having one of your friends who can do Donald's voice read few lines from the comics and post a recording of that to see the results.
I like your experiment idea very much. But, unfortunately, most or possibly all of the people I met who could do the Donald voice were not really "friends" of mine, but rather, acquaintances, who I met, and in passing, mentioned that I write and draw Donald Duck stories, and they "volunteered" the information that they could speak like Donald Duck. That was over a period of the last 30 years. I have no contact with any of those people. The only real friends I had that could produce the voice, unfortunately, have died. There were also several from my youth in both Canada and USA, but I lost contact with those people long ago.
There is an enormous amount of nostalgia for 'Duck Tales' that, from a marketing standpoint, I can't imagine Disney would ever greenlight a reboot without utilizing the name. Whether that reboot is a true reboot (outside of the original continuity as you suggest) or a canon continuation of the original series I would speculate is less important to them.
Is DuckTales still popular 25 years after it ended? Well, I guess somewhat it is, or they wouldn't make another videogame based on it. Surely Americans are the ones who know the answer, not only because Disney shows are produced in USA, bit also because they can better judge how much a series is popular (unlike in Europe, in USA animation seems much more popular than comics, though as the subject of is topic proves comics are not dead).
By the way, the chance of a series that faithfully adapts comics is so slim that I am amused that I found myself debating whether such a series should be called a reboot or not and which title should it have. :)
I guess you are right about marketing strategies, plus "DuckTales" is not a bad title, as it just means "stories about the Ducks".
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderI think we're missing the elephant in the room here. I'd argue it's already harder to get an emotional reaction to cartoon characters compared to humans, never mind when they're half-dressed funny animals, but somehow Barks managed it (see Luck of the North, et al).
But surely nobody expects an audience to take A Christmas for Shacktown seriously if the main character talks like THAT? Donald's speech impediment incredibly distracting if you're forced to listen to him say sensible things (so not things like "Wak! Why, you dirty --- oh, <gulp> hiya, toots!").
I disagree wholeheartedly. I have no problem taking ANY speech made in Donald's voice seriously. To me. The Ducks are "Ducklike people" ("Duck People"). They look in part, somewhat like ducks, sounding "somewhat like ducks"(rather than exactly like humans, helps, rather than hurts that belief. To me, having these characters sound exactly like humans actually takes me OUT of their World, and makes it impossible for me to concentrate on "the duck World", because I'm constantly seeing that the voices don't match their bodies. Apparently, on this question I am the exact opposite of all the other posters on this thread who have commented on this issue,
I remember what you wrote about this issue, which is why I wrote "most people got used to normal voices for HDL" instead of "everybody" (originally my message even referred to you, but then I rewrote it before submitting it).
Well, I guess our views are just opposite: I see the Ducks as human being charicaturally drawn with some animal features, so it wouldn't take me out of their world to hear them with human voices (if anything takes me out of their world, that's the duck voices).
By the way, if the human voice would prevent you from concentrating to the stories, you can still do the experiment I suggested about having one of your friends who can do Donald's voice read few lines from the comics and post a recording of that to see the results.
I like your experiment idea very much. But, unfortunately, most or possibly all of the people I met who could do the Donald voice were not really "friends" of mine, but rather, acquaintances, who I met, and in passing, mentioned that I write and draw Donald Duck stories, and they "volunteered" the information that they could speak like Donald Duck. That was over a period of the last 30 years. I have no contact with any of those people. The only real friends I had that could produce the voice, unfortunately, have died. There were also several from my youth in both Canada and USA, but I lost contact with those people long ago.
Clinton Coot
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 110 -
2015-02-07 at 23:05:43
Quote from user: Robb_KI like your experiment idea very much. But, unfortunately, most or possibly all of the people I met who could do the Donald voice were not really "friends" of mine, but rather, acquaintances, who I met, and in passing, mentioned that I write and draw Donald Duck stories, and they "volunteered" the information that they could speak like Donald Duck. That was over a period of the last 30 years. I have no contact with any of those people. The only real friends I had that could produce the voice, unfortunately, have died. There were also several from my youth in both Canada and USA, but I lost contact with those people long ago.
Too bad you are not in contact with them anymore, it's the same thing for me with one person I knew who could do Donald's voice. Anyway, I'm glad you like my experiment idea. Maybe someone on this forum is able to do it?
Too bad you are not in contact with them anymore, it's the same thing for me with one person I knew who could do Donald's voice. Anyway, I'm glad you like my experiment idea. Maybe someone on this forum is able to do it?
Thomps2525
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 111 -
2015-02-07 at 23:31:27
I thought we could find the answers to everything on the World Wide Web. We can't. I am unable to find the name of the comedian and impressionist who appeared on a few television variety shows in the 1970s in the United States. One of his impressions was of a "duck choir." He not only sang like Donald Duck, he sounded as though there were several ducks singing at the same time. Perhaps someone else here will remember him.
Angilasman
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 112 -
2015-02-08 at 00:02:58
Quote from user: marrkWhoops! This should work. http://www.previewsworld.com/home/1/1/71/977?articleID=159839
edit: The link was incorrect again. this is the good one
Neat! I'm glad that it appears we'll be a wide-range of material from various countries.
edit: The link was incorrect again. this is the good one
Neat! I'm glad that it appears we'll be a wide-range of material from various countries.
Robb_K
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 113 -
2015-02-08 at 01:58:45
Quote from user: Thomps2525I thought we could find the answers to everything on the World Wide Web. We can't. I am unable to find the name of the comedian and impressionist who appeared on a few television variety shows in the 1970s in the United States. One of his impressions was of a "duck choir." He not only sang like Donald Duck, he sounded as though there were several ducks singing at the same time. Perhaps someone else here will remember him.
Both Rich Little and Frank Gorschin used to do very good Donald Duck voices.
Both Rich Little and Frank Gorschin used to do very good Donald Duck voices.
WB
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 114 -
2015-02-08 at 05:46:09
Maybe you guys should move the voice discussion to a new thread so comic discussion doesnt get lost. :)
Clinton Coot
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 115 -
2015-02-08 at 09:11:32
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: Thomps2525I thought we could find the answers to everything on the World Wide Web. We can't. I am unable to find the name of the comedian and impressionist who appeared on a few television variety shows in the 1970s in the United States. One of his impressions was of a "duck choir." He not only sang like Donald Duck, he sounded as though there were several ducks singing at the same time. Perhaps someone else here will remember him.
Both Rich Little and Frank Gorschin used to do very good Donald Duck voices.
I don't know them, but I can say for sure one doesn't need to be an actor to be able to do that kind of voice (not to say I can do it, since I can't).
Here are a few examples of people who can do it:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=donald+duck+voice
But I guess WB is right: maybe we should move the voice discussion to another thread.
Both Rich Little and Frank Gorschin used to do very good Donald Duck voices.
I don't know them, but I can say for sure one doesn't need to be an actor to be able to do that kind of voice (not to say I can do it, since I can't).
Here are a few examples of people who can do it:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=donald+duck+voice
But I guess WB is right: maybe we should move the voice discussion to another thread.
Baar Baar Jinx
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 116 -
2015-02-08 at 19:58:42
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderBut surely nobody expects an audience to take A Christmas for Shacktown seriously if the main character talks like THAT? Donald's speech impediment incredibly distracting if you're forced to listen to him say sensible things (so not things like "Wak! Why, you dirty --- oh, <gulp> hiya, toots!").
Not to set the cat among the pigeons or anything, but didn't Barks have one of the Larkies call Donald "Quackyface" in The Golden Fleecing? I don't have access to the story right now but seem to recall something like that. Could it be that Barks heard Donald's cartoon voice in his head when he was writing him?
Not to set the cat among the pigeons or anything, but didn't Barks have one of the Larkies call Donald "Quackyface" in The Golden Fleecing? I don't have access to the story right now but seem to recall something like that. Could it be that Barks heard Donald's cartoon voice in his head when he was writing him?
Thomps2525
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 117 -
2015-02-08 at 20:45:54
I'm thinking it might have been impressionist John Byner who voiced the "duck choir." Byner made several appearances on The Ed Sullivan Show and hosted his own comedy series in 1972. But I agree that we should be discussing the new Uncle Scrooge comic and not the ducks' voices. Speaking of which, does anyone know why each of IDW's four new Disney titles will launch in a separate month? Scrooge debuts in April, Donald Duck in May, Mickey Mouse in June and Walt Disney's Comics & Stories in July. Why not launch all four titles in the same month?
DarkAsh
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 118 -
2015-02-09 at 06:03:35
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderBut surely nobody expects an audience to take A Christmas for Shacktown seriously if the main character talks like THAT? Donald's speech impediment incredibly distracting if you're forced to listen to him say sensible things (so not things like "Wak! Why, you dirty --- oh, <gulp> hiya, toots!").
Not to set the cat among the pigeons or anything, but didn't Barks have one of the Larkies call Donald "Quackyface" in The Golden Fleecing? I don't have access to the story right now but seem to recall something like that. Could it be that Barks heard Donald's cartoon voice in his head when he was writing him?
You're correct. One of the Larkies calls him that when she pulls him on to their boat with a crook on page 12.
Not to set the cat among the pigeons or anything, but didn't Barks have one of the Larkies call Donald "Quackyface" in The Golden Fleecing? I don't have access to the story right now but seem to recall something like that. Could it be that Barks heard Donald's cartoon voice in his head when he was writing him?
You're correct. One of the Larkies calls him that when she pulls him on to their boat with a crook on page 12.
Robb_K
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 119 -
2015-02-09 at 07:04:51
Carl Barks was often instructed by his editors to keep his artwork and his characterisation of Donald, Daisy and his nephews consistent with that currently employed in the cartoon shorts. So, it follows that The Disney office wanted Western Publishing to make Duck and Mouse and Silly Symphonies and animated feature characters' stories consistent with what the kids were witnessing in the cartoons. So. whether or not Barks actually "heard" Donald's cartoon voice in his own written dialogues, he was obliged to make reference to hi cartoon voice to fulfill his obligation to tie the comics' stories to the cartoon shorts, to keep Disney's image of a high level of related products.
Clinton Coot
Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)
Message 120 -
2015-02-09 at 11:35:52
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderBut surely nobody expects an audience to take A Christmas for Shacktown seriously if the main character talks like THAT? Donald's speech impediment incredibly distracting if you're forced to listen to him say sensible things (so not things like "Wak! Why, you dirty --- oh, <gulp> hiya, toots!").
Not to set the cat among the pigeons or anything, but didn't Barks have one of the Larkies call Donald "Quackyface" in The Golden Fleecing? I don't have access to the story right now but seem to recall something like that. Could it be that Barks heard Donald's cartoon voice in his head when he was writing him?
[I am answering here since no separate topic was created.]
Yes, Donald is called "Quackyface" in "The Golden Fleecing", page 12, panel 2, but this is not different from Scrooge occasionally being called "the richest duck in the world" instead of "the richest man in the world", or from Donald and the others often being called "the Ducks". I think it just refers to his appearance (the caricature), not his voice. I strongly doubt that Barks meant comics Donald to have his cartoon voice, and in his stories he never hinted at Donald's dialogue being hard to understand for other charatcers.
Quote from user: Robb_KCarl Barks was often instructed by his editors to keep his artwork and his characterisation of Donald, Daisy and his nephews consistent with that currently employed in the cartoon shorts. So, it follows that The Disney office wanted Western Publishing to make Duck and Mouse and Silly Symphonies and animated feature characters' stories consistent with what the kids were witnessing in the cartoons. So. whether or not Barks actually "heard" Donald's cartoon voice in his own written dialogues, he was obliged to make reference to hi cartoon voice to fulfill his obligation to tie the comics' stories to the cartoon shorts, to keep Disney's image of a high level of related products.
He may have been instructed this way, but as a matter of fact he had plenty of liberty as he changed (for the better) the personality of Donald and his nephews and even created original characters that had nothing to do with animation. Also it doesn't seem he was ever instructed to make reference to Donald's voice in the comics (as I said, "Quackyface" seems to be referring to his appearance).
Not to set the cat among the pigeons or anything, but didn't Barks have one of the Larkies call Donald "Quackyface" in The Golden Fleecing? I don't have access to the story right now but seem to recall something like that. Could it be that Barks heard Donald's cartoon voice in his head when he was writing him?
[I am answering here since no separate topic was created.]
Yes, Donald is called "Quackyface" in "The Golden Fleecing", page 12, panel 2, but this is not different from Scrooge occasionally being called "the richest duck in the world" instead of "the richest man in the world", or from Donald and the others often being called "the Ducks". I think it just refers to his appearance (the caricature), not his voice. I strongly doubt that Barks meant comics Donald to have his cartoon voice, and in his stories he never hinted at Donald's dialogue being hard to understand for other charatcers.
Quote from user: Robb_KCarl Barks was often instructed by his editors to keep his artwork and his characterisation of Donald, Daisy and his nephews consistent with that currently employed in the cartoon shorts. So, it follows that The Disney office wanted Western Publishing to make Duck and Mouse and Silly Symphonies and animated feature characters' stories consistent with what the kids were witnessing in the cartoons. So. whether or not Barks actually "heard" Donald's cartoon voice in his own written dialogues, he was obliged to make reference to hi cartoon voice to fulfill his obligation to tie the comics' stories to the cartoon shorts, to keep Disney's image of a high level of related products.
He may have been instructed this way, but as a matter of fact he had plenty of liberty as he changed (for the better) the personality of Donald and his nephews and even created original characters that had nothing to do with animation. Also it doesn't seem he was ever instructed to make reference to Donald's voice in the comics (as I said, "Quackyface" seems to be referring to his appearance).