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Quote from user: AngilasmanQuote from user: GeoXWhy thank you! As far as animated versions of classic stories go, I think you really do run into a dilemma: because, yes, you would HAVE to give Donald a more "human" voice; they certainly wouldn't work otherwise. On the other hand, Donald with a normal-ish human voice would sound so strange. I don't think most people would be able to deal with it. I'm not sure I would.
I think comics fans would have to bite the bullet on this one. Even in a Barks inspired animation I just don't see anyone changing the animated Donald's iconic voice.

You could give him simpler, more direct (and understandable) dialog and give the more complex lines to the nephews.
I would prefer animation fans* to bite the bullet and allow Donald to speak normally as he has always done in comics, which are by far his main medium for the number of appearances, the quality of the stories, and the depth of his personality. Giving him simpler dialogue would totally defeat the purpose of animating comics in the first place.

*I should rather say "animation fans from the USA", since I'm pretty sure most animation fans from Europe wouldn't have a problem with an animated comics where Donald has a human voice. Unfortunatly most Americans thinks of animated Donald as the main Donald.

Quote from user: Robb_KI disagree totally. I have heard scores of amateurs mimic Donald's (Ducky's) voice, perfectly, speaking very complicated, long words, long phrases for minutes at a time, without tiring.
I too know (actually, knew) people who can mimic Donald's voice, but one thing is saying simple sentences, another thing is making longer speeches.
Just for fun: if you are still in contact with at least one of those people you know that can do Donald's voice, can you ask him to record himself while he says in animated Donald's voice the following lines (I typed them for a message in page 2 of this topic) from Barks' "The Golden Helmet"? I am curious to know how they sound like.

Quote:Ho yum! Yawn! Three months I've worked here, and not a doggoned thing has happened! The pay is good, and the hours short! Maybe I shouldn't kick! But I'm the rugged type! I like adventure ?? the kind of rip-snorting fun thos old vikings must have had! Think of it! Men crossed oceans in that old tub with nothing to guide them but the sun and the stars! They sailed to Iceland and Greenland and maybe even America hundreds of years before the Queen Mary! [Someone asks: "Mister, where is the butterfly collection?"] In the east wing! Go down corridor J! Turn left into corridor 9! It's the first room past the stuffed giraffe! Those old vikings fought walruses and whales and savage tribes, and I tell goggle-eyed nature boys where to find butterflies! Oh, that the race of men could ever sink so low! [Someone asks: "Mister guard, where is the lace and tatting collection?"] Two doors past the crocheted doilies! (holy cow!) I'm going up on the deck of this old scow for a few minutes and pretend that I'm a he-man! Strange sails ahead, brave norsemen! Stand by to lick the whole fleet! [There's a noise] Must be a king-sized rat aboard! A man! Who the blazes...? Hey, you! Get outa here! This ship is to be seen, not pried apart! [reply: "I wasn't hurting anything! I was just curious to see how the deck was fastened down!"] You'll find charts of the ship in the library! Third door on the left after you pass the dinosaur egg! [reply: "Charts! Bah!"] I've seen that guy before! And he's always been nosing around this old viking ship! He was prying up boards like he was looking for something! Now, what would anyone expect to find down here except slivers? All the gold and jewels would have been taken off the ship before the vikings buried it! That guy was looking for something else ?? something he got wind of from an old Viking book, maybe! Those translators of ancient writing come across some strange secrets sometimes! Hmm!... A loose peg! Well, whaddya know! It just takes brains to find things. A roll of deerskin! Looks like a map! And there's ancient writing on it! I must tell the curator about this!
Quote from user: Robb_KFurthermore, I think that all the Ducklike characters should have that type of voice. [...] I want all the ducklike characters to sound like quacking ducks. Donald's and his nephews' manner of speech [...] should be used for long feature films and for all ducklike characters.
I strongly disagree with that, but I think I already said what my opinion on the matter is and so I don't feel like repeting myself: it is better if we just agree to disagree. :)
Quote from user: Robb_KScrooge's Scots brogue, Ludwig's Viennese accent would be fabulous spoken with a "duck;s voice. Furthermore, I think Hollands (The Dutch dialect in the province of North Holland) spoken with a Scots brogue and Vienese accent over it, also using a duck's voice would be extremely funny and wonderful. I would definitely vote for that. And I would also love to hear those in a Limburgs and Gronings accent, and also in the Frisian language.
For me those characters should retain their human voices, and I also think that Scrooge's Scottish accent shouldn't be very strong if he left Scotland at an early age (but it wouldn't make difference to me, as the Scottish accent is always removed from the dubbed Italian version and even if I listen to the original I would probably have a hard time distingushing it). Ludwig's Viennese accent is good, and it should be kept. By the way, has any of you ever tried listening to a DuckTales episode featuring Magica dubbed in Italian? Her Neapolitan accent is great, and also very appropriate, unlike the Russian accent I heard she has in the original version.

I totally agree with GeoX, though the first quote in his message is actually from Angilasman despite the fact that it is marked as "clinton coot wrote".

Quote from user: GeoXYou COULD--the problem is, if you're deciding, for practical reasons, that Donald simply cannot say certain types of lines, you're pretty seriously altering the character and the stories, and I thought the idea here was to be as Barks-faithful as possible.
That's just it. I think it's unrealistic to expect Donald's voice to change because of (let's face it) comic book fans, hence my saying: "I think comics fans would have to bite the bullet on this one."

Adaptation almost always requires compromise.

Quote from user: AngilasmanThat's just it. I think it's unrealistic to expect Donald's voice to change because of (let's face it) comic book fans, hence my saying: "I think comics fans would have to bite the bullet on this one."
Well...okay, but we were originally talking about the idea of faithful animated Barks adaptations, and now we seem to be talking about something substantially different. That's fine, I guess, if it's what you want, but...

I'm kind of disappointed IDW's just doing reprints and not brand new Disney comics... It would be really cool to have new American Disney stuff.
But it sounds like it's a budget issue?

Dutch Duckfan Down Under succinctly wins the argument, I think.