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Topic: Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)

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Matilda
Thanks for the informative post, Jon! I'm very excited to see what happens with the IDW Disney comics, since it's clear they are in Very Good Hands.
On the subject of fan support... I do hope that IDW produces a Disney ashcan for the Halloween Comicfest. And then I hope that Every Single American on DCF gets dozens of them to hand out to the neighborhood kids. My suggestions for story: William Van Horn's It's in the Bag!" (hasn't been in an ashcan yet, and the three-tier format would be a plus in the small comic) or Janet Gilbert's "All Tricks and No Treats" (not yet published in the USA).
And while I have your ear/eye, Jon...a personal "thanks" for making Webby's book a Chickadee Field Guide in "The Arcardian Urn"! One of several reasons why that's my favorite DuckTales comic story ever.
Dean Rekich
Much thanks for the informative post Jon! I have a question you may or may not be able to answer yet. Along with Italian stories, is IDW also going to print Egmont stories as well? I do enjoy Scarpa and other Italian author/artists, but I would really miss not having more "traditional" (to USA readers at least) Egmont stories as well.
Thanks in advance for the great work you are doing!
Thomps2525
The look of Uncle Scrooge was greatly simplified for the Scrooge McDuck & Money short. You can see it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAFSrKqIKdc and take note of his glasses, hat and whiskers. The drawing style didn't bother me as much as the kids' voices, which were high-pitched and human-like. Bill Thompson, who had voiced Droopy and Ranger J. Audubon Woodlore, was the voice of Scrooge. The voices of Huey, Dewey and Louie were recorded (and then sped up) by the Mello-Men, a trio who had sung Painting The Roses Red in Alice In Wonderland. I wanted the kids to have duck voices. Where was Clarence Nash in 1967?
On the other hand, Daisy Duck (known as Donna in her first cartoon appearance) initially spoke with a duck voice. I'm not bothered by hearing Daisy speak with a feminine human-like voice...but it doesn't suit Donald's nephews. And don't get me started on the 1996 Quack Pack cartoons!
Clinton Coot
Quote from user: Thomps2525The voices of Huey, Dewey and Louie were recorded (and then sped up) by the Mello-Men, a trio who had sung Painting The Roses Red in Alice In Wonderland.
Were the Mellomen a trio in 1967? According to Wikipedia, the list of Mellomen members is:

Thurl Ravenscroft (bass)
Bill Lee (baritone bass)
Max Smith (2nd tenor, 1948??1966)
Bob Hamlin (lead tenor, 1948??1955)
Bob Stevens (lead tenor, 1955??1961)
Bill Cole (lead tenor, 1961-1970s)
Gene Merlino (2nd tenor, 1966-1970s)

If we remove Smith, Hamlin and Stevens this leaves four people: Ravenscroft, Lee, Cole and Merlino. By the way, who voiced who?
Dkenny78
Quote from user: Thomps2525I wanted the kids to have duck voices. Where was Clarence Nash in 1967?
I don't think it was a matter of Nash's availability. I think it had more to do with the fact that the concepts presented in this short were more complex than the average DD cartoon, which put more of an emphasis on dialogue and required more intelligible nephew voices - the same reason why Russi Taylor voiced them in the plot-driven 'DuckTales' as opposed to Tony Anselmo.

What's interesting is that, while Donald has always had the trick voice, and Daisy had it for the first few years of her career and then got rid of it (and Scrooge NEVER had it), the nephews have gone back and forth multiple times in their 60-plus year history. Nash voiced them in virtually all of the shorts (except for SCROOGE MCDUCK AND MONEY), but I believe there were some WONDERFUL WORLD OF DISNEY programs from the '60s when they had intelligible voices. Of course, they had the intelligible voices for SPORT GOOFY IN SOCCERMANIA, DUCK TALES and QUACK PACK, but I believe they had the Tony Anselmo Duck voice for HOUSE OF MOUSE!
Clinton Coot
Quote from user: dkenny78Quote from user: Thomps2525I wanted the kids to have duck voices. Where was Clarence Nash in 1967?
I don't think it was a matter of Nash's availability. I think it had more to do with the fact that the concepts presented in this short were more complex than the average DD cartoon, which put more of an emphasis on dialogue and required more intelligible nephew voices - the same reason why Russi Taylor voiced them in the plot-driven 'DuckTales' as opposed to Tony Anselmo.

What's interesting is that, while Donald has always had the trick voice, and Daisy had it for the first few years of her career and then got rid of it (and Scrooge NEVER had it), the nephews have gone back and forth multiple times in their 60-plus year history. Nash voiced them in virtually all of the shorts (except for SCROOGE MCDUCK AND MONEY), but I believe there were some WONDERFUL WORLD OF DISNEY programs from the '60s when they had intelligible voices. Of course, they had the intelligible voices for SPORT GOOFY IN SOCCERMANIA, DUCK TALES and QUACK PACK, but I believe they had the Tony Anselmo Duck voice for HOUSE OF MOUSE!

I agree with you, and just for the record: "Scrooge McDuck and Money" is not the first time in which the nephews are not voiced by Nash, as there is at least one earlier example, "Donald's Fire Survival Plan" (1965). Anselmo voiced them in "Down and Out with Donald Duck", "House of Mouse" and "Mickey Mouse Works", while Russi Taylor voiced them in "Sport Goofy in Soccermania", DuckTales and its movie, video games and direct-to-video films.

As for Daisy, Tony Anselmo voiced her once in "Down and Out with Donald Duck".

Too bad they didn't have the courage to give Donald a normal voice in DuckTales (which caused him to be removed from most episodes), and too bad Scrooge has that heavy Scottish accent.
Thomps2525
Clinton, you are correct: The Mello-Men were indeed a quartet. Only three of the four---naturally!---were used for the voices of Huey, Dewey and Louie. I can't find any information regarding who voiced whom. All the sources I checked credit only "The Mello-Men." A detailed history of the nephews---which reveals that Huey is the oldest---along with the names of the various voice actors is at http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Huey,_Dewey_and_Louie and, again, the individual Mello-Men who voiced the characters are not identified. The Mello-Men also sang the title song in the 1952 Donald Duck Trick Or Treat cartoon.
I met Clarence Nash several times when I was a kid. My dad would take me to Nash's north Glendale home on Hallowe'en. We'd get candy along with a greeting from Donald Duck (courtesy of Nash and the Donald doll that he took almost everywhere he went). Nash said one time that there were certain letters and syllables that were hard for him to pronounce...so the writers would go out of their way to include a lot of dialogue with those letters and syllables. Nice guys, eh?
Since Scrooge is from Scotland, the voice provided by Alan Young is perfect for him. DuckTales was Disney's first syndicated cartoon series and was a spinoff of the Treasures Of The Lost Lamp movie. Donald appeared in several episodes and I can't imagine him with a human-sounding voice. Clinton, where did you hear that the duck voice kept Donald from being used in more episodes? Mickey, Donald and Goofy were the Disney Studio's three biggest animated stars in the 1930s-40s-50s. Their voices haven't changed much, nor should they. Did anyone at Disney ever suggest giving Donald a human voice? That would have been sacrilege! And I would think the reasons to let DuckTales focus on Scrooge and the boys had very little to do with Donald's voice.
Baar Baar Jinx
Quote from user: Thomps2525Clinton, where did you hear that the duck voice kept Donald from being used in more episodes? Mickey, Donald and Goofy were the Disney Studio's three biggest animated stars in the 1930s-40s-50s. Their voices haven't changed much, nor should they. Did anyone at Disney ever suggest giving Donald a human voice? That would have been sacrilege! And I would think the reasons to let DuckTales focus on Scrooge and the boys had very little to do with Donald's voice.
In a previous thread, Disney Art Director Mike Peraza clarified that the reason that Donald was excluded from the main cast of DuckTales was an edict from studio heads that the reputation of the classic characters (Mickey, Donald and Goofy) not be risked on new, uncertain ventures like animated television series. Apparently, that line of thinking was reversed by the time Goof Troop and Quack Pack came out. It also seemed, from his comments, that there was a "rights" issues (such that using Donald as a main star needed a separate license, although the details are still a little unclear to me). Regardless, no, it wasn't the voice.

And for the record, I wish the Russi Taylor voice for the nephews would become standard. Donald and HD&L having the same voice makes no sense to me. Russi Taylor's rendition of HD&L's voice carries the perfect combination of raspiness, comprehensibility and juvelinility.
Clinton Coot
Quote from user: Thomps2525Clinton, you are correct: The Mello-Men were indeed a quartet. Only three of the four---naturally!---were used for the voices of Huey, Dewey and Louie. I can't find any information regarding who voiced whom. All the sources I checked credit only "The Mello-Men." A detailed history of the nephews---which reveals that Huey is the oldest---along with the names of the various voice actors is at http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Huey,_Dewey_and_Louie and, again, the individual Mello-Men who voiced the characters are not identified. The Mello-Men also sang the title song in the 1952 Donald Duck Trick Or Treat cartoon..
I hope someone will eventually find who voiced whom. As for the info from that Wikia like who is the oldest and the differences in personality, I see that there are no sources. In fact, they are supposed to be triplets, and a key part of their characterization is that their personality is identical.
Quote from user: Thomps2525I met Clarence Nash several times when I was a kid. My dad would take me to Nash's north Glendale home on Hallowe'en. We'd get candy along with a greeting from Donald Duck (courtesy of Nash and the Donald doll that he took almost everywhere he went). Nash said one time that there were certain letters and syllables that were hard for him to pronounce...so the writers would go out of their way to include a lot of dialogue with those letters and syllables. Nice guys, eh?.
Sure. That was a nice story to hear.
Quote from user: Thomps2525Since Scrooge is from Scotland, the voice provided by Alan Young is perfect for him. DuckTales was Disney's first syndicated cartoon series and was a spinoff of the Treasures Of The Lost Lamp movie.
Scrooge left Scotland at an early age, so I imagine that present-day Scrooge has only a slight Scottish accent, not the heavy one he has in animation... or so I read. In fact, I rarely heard Alan Young's Scrooge since I am Italian and mostly watched stuff (on tv or on the web) in my language, not to mention I find a bit difficult to distingush a Scottish accent. Still, I remember that in the Italian dub they left the reference to the "Scottish accent" in the episode where Fenton impersonates Scrooge.

I also heard that in the original version Magica has a Russian accent: that's really weird! In the Italian dub she has an appropriate Neapolitan accent, since she is from Naples, Italy.

By the way, I don't think that DuckTales was "a spinoff of the Treasures Of The Lost Lamp movie"... maybe you meant it was a spinoff of Treasure of the Golden Suns?
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxDonald appeared in several episodes and I can't imagine him with a human-sounding voice. Clinton, where did you hear that the duck voice kept Donald from being used in more episodes? Mickey, Donald and Goofy were the Disney Studio's three biggest animated stars in the 1930s-40s-50s.
Where did I heard it? It's an hypothesis I often read on the web as to why the classic trio in Barks stories (Scrooge, Donald and HDL, considering the latter as a unit) was broken by removing Donald from most DuckTales episodes (with the plot device of sending him to the Navy) and replacing him with new characters like Launchpad and Fenton.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxIn a previous thread, Disney Art Director Mike Peraza clarified that the reason that Donald was excluded from the main cast of DuckTales was an edict from studio heads that the reputation of the classic characters (Mickey, Donald and Goofy) not be risked on new, uncertain ventures like animated television series. Apparently, that line of thinking was reversed by the time Goof Troop and Quack Pack came out. It also seemed, from his comments, that there was a "rights" issues (such that using Donald as a main star needed a separate license, although the details are still a little unclear to me). Regardless, no, it wasn't the voice.
Thanks for clarifying that. This was another hypothesis I read. Still, I think it was a bad (and stupid) choice.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxTheir voices haven't changed much, nor should they. Did anyone at Disney ever suggest giving Donald a human voice? That would have been sacrilege! And I would think the reasons to let DuckTales focus on Scrooge and the boys had very little to do with Donald's voice.
Maybe it's because I see the Ducks as human being or maybe it's because I see cartoon Donald and comics Donald as two different characters, but I have always heard comics Donald speak with a human voice, therefore it is mandatory for me that an hypothetical future animated series faithfully adapted from classic comics should have Donald with a human voice.

But maybe we are too much off-topic.
Dkenny78
Quote from user: clinton cootScrooge left Scotland at an early age, so I imagine that present-day Scrooge has only a slight Scottish accent, not the heavy one he has in animation... or so I read. In fact, I rarely heard Alan Young's Scrooge since I am Italian and mostly watched stuff (on tv or on the web) in my language, not to mention I find a bit difficult to distingush a Scottish accent. Still, I remember that in the Italian dub they left the reference to the "Scottish accent" in the episode where Fenton impersonates Scrooge.
The whole subject of Scrooge's voice is a dilemma for me. On the one hand, yes, it would seem extremely unlikely that a person who emigrated from Scotland at the age of 13 and traveled virtually EVERYWHERE on the planet would retain his thick burr into adulthood (and he certainly wouldn't employ faux-Scottish catchphrases like 'bless me bagpipes!'). On the other hand, Alan Young's voice is inseparable for me from the character of Scrooge because my first encounter with him was in 'Mickey's Christmas Carol,' well before I started reading any Duck comics. Whenever I read a Duck comic, I hear Young's voice (I also hear Russi Taylor's voice when I read the nephews but curiously I don't hear Donald's trick voice when I read him!). So, yeah, it might not be 'correct,' but I have a real sentimental soft spot for Young's voice.

It should also be said that, regardless of whether you think Scrooge should have a thick Scottish accent, there's no denying the talent inherent in Young's performance. I think he brought a perfect mixture of humor, earnestness, frustration to the character which I found lacking in all other actors who voiced Scrooge (Will Ryan, Bill Thompson).
Gyro Gearloose
Alan Young is THE voice of Scrooge to me, and I believe Barks himself said much the same thing to Young. As for the accent, that's never bothered me at all; Barks never said just when Scrooge came to America, and also stated at least once that he pictured the character as sounding like "an old Scotchman...one who rolls his Rs a lot." The coming-to-America-at-13 thing is only one of many interpretations (Rosa's) of the character's past, and definitely wasn't established lore when Ducktales was made.
Clinton Coot
Quote from user: dkenny78The whole subject of Scrooge's voice is a dilemma for me. On the one hand, yes, it would seem extremely unlikely that a person who emigrated from Scotland at the age of 13 and traveled virtually EVERYWHERE on the planet would retain his thick burr into adulthood (and he certainly wouldn't employ faux-Scottish catchphrases like 'bless me bagpipes!').
I totally agree.
Quote from user: dkenny78On the other hand, Alan Young's voice is inseparable for me from the character of Scrooge because my first encounter with him was in 'Mickey's Christmas Carol,' well before I started reading any Duck comics. Whenever I read a Duck comic, I hear Young's voice (I also hear Russi Taylor's voice when I read the nephews but curiously I don't hear Donald's trick voice when I read him!). So, yeah, it might not be 'correct,' but I have a real sentimental soft spot for Young's voice.
A compromise could be keeping Alan Young but having him voice the character with a less thick accent. But what am I talking about anyway? Scrooge appears in animation once every blue moon (as opposed to comics, where he makes new appearances every weak) and even if he starts appearing more often in animation that wouldn't change the fact that I would watch those appearanes dubbed in Italian, where there is no Scottish accent.
Needless to say, I also hear a human voice when Donald talks.
Quote from user: dkenny78It should also be said that, regardless of whether you think Scrooge should have a thick Scottish accent, there's no denying the talent inherent in Young's performance. I think he brought a perfect mixture of humor, earnestness, frustration to the character which I found lacking in all other actors who voiced Scrooge (Will Ryan, Bill Thompson).
I have not heard enough of his voice enough to confirm or deny his talent, even though from what I read people talk greatly of him as a voice actor.
Quote from user: Gyro GearlooseBarks never said just when Scrooge came to America
Quote from user: Gyro GearlooseThe coming-to-America-at-13 thing is only one of many interpretations (Rosa's) of the character's past, and definitely wasn't established lore when Ducktales was made.
This is only partially true, as Barks stated things like Scrooge having a riveboat race in 1880 and a cowboy in 1882 etc., so it was obvious he left Scotland at an early age. I think there was al least one DuckTales episode that showed him doing that.
Scroogerello
Quote from user: Gyro GearlooseAlan Young is THE voice of Scrooge to me, and I believe Barks himself said much the same thing to Young. As for the accent, that's never bothered me at all; Barks never said just when Scrooge came to America, and also stated at least once that he pictured the character as sounding like "an old Scotchman...one who rolls his Rs a lot." The coming-to-America-at-13 thing is only one of many interpretations (Rosa's) of the character's past, and definitely wasn't established lore when Ducktales was made.
In Barks' The Swamp of No Return, Donald recognizes his uncle by his accent ("For a Señor, that old duck sure had a Scotch accent like Uncle Scrooge's!") and Scrooge calls his nephew "laddie".

Although I'm a huge fan of Scrooge's 'human' voice (especially the ones provided by Bill Thompson and Alan Young; Will Ryan made him sound like a British guy and Dallas McKennon made him sound like an old pirate :P), I personally can't imagine Donald having such a voice as well; his quacking voice is (to me) a large and important part of what makes him such a lovable character. I remember quite a few comics in which Donald's quacking voice was referred to by other characters, and I could never see Donald or any other Disney comic character and their animation counterparts being a different character.

Anyway, I like the fact they're bringing Uncle Scrooge back--even though it will be practically impossible to get my hands on a copy here in the Netherlands, without having to pay at least ten times its USA price...
Clinton Coot
Quote from user: ScroogerelloIn Barks' The Swamp of No Return, Donald recognizes his uncle by his accent ("For a Señor, that old duck sure had a Scotch accent like Uncle Scrooge's!") and Scrooge calls his nephew "laddie".
True, comics Scrooge still has a Scottish accent, but this is a different thing from having a *heavy* Scottish accent like the fake Scottie in "The Old Castle's Secret".
Quote from user: ScroogerelloAlthough I'm a huge fan of Scrooge's 'human' voice (especially the ones provided by Bill Thompson and Alan Young; Will Ryan made him sound like a British guy and Dallas McKennon made him sound like an old pirate :P), I personally can't imagine Donald having such a voice as well; his quacking voice is (to me) a large and important part of what makes him such a lovable character. I remember quite a few comics in which Donald's quacking voice was referred to by other characters, and I could never see Donald or any other Disney comic character and their animation counterparts being a different character."
You can't imagine Donald with a normal voice? Strange. Let's try this mental experiment: look at these lines (from Barks' "The Golden Helmet")

Ho yum! Yawn! Three months I've worked here, and not a doggoned thing has happened! The pay is good, and the hours short! Maybe I shouldn't kick! But I'm the rugged type! I like adventure ?? the kind of rip-snorting fun thos old vikings must have had! Think of it! Men crossed oceans in that old tub with nothing to guide them but the sun and the stars! They sailed to Iceland and Greenland and maybe even America hundreds of years before the Queen Mary! [Someone asks: "Mister, where is the butterfly collection?"] In the east wing! Go down corridor J! Turn left into corridor 9! It's the first room past the stuffed giraffe! Those old vikings fought walruses and whales and savage tribes, and I tell goggle-eyed nature boys where to find butterflies! Oh, that the race of men could ever sink so low! [Someone asks: "Mister guard, where is the lace and tatting collection?"] Two doors past the crocheted doilies! (holy cow!) I'm going up on the deck of this old scow for a few minutes and pretend that I'm a he-man! Strange sails ahead, brave norsemen! Stand by to lick the whole fleet! [There's a noise] Must be a king-sized rat aboard! A man! Who the blazes...? Hey, you! Get outa here! This ship is to be seen, not pried apart! [reply: "I wasn't hurting anything! I was just curious to see how the deck was fastened down!"] You'll find charts of the ship in the library! Third door on the left after you pass the dinosaur egg! [reply: "Charts! Bah!"] I've seen that guy before! And he's always been nosing around this old viking ship! He was prying up boards like he was looking for something! Now, what would anyone expect to find down here except slivers? All the gold and jewels would have been taken off the ship before the vikings buried it! That guy was looking for something else ?? something he got wind of from an old Viking book, maybe! Those translators of ancient writing come across some strange secrets sometimes! Hmm!... A loose peg! Well, whaddya know! It just takes brains to find things. A roll of deerskin! Looks like a map! And there's ancient writing on it! I must tell the curator about this!

Now try answering two questions:
1)How do you imagine Donald saying these lines? Does he have a duck voice or a normal voice?
2)If you were producing a faithful animated adaptation of "The Golden Helmet", would you have Donald's voice actor doing a duck voice or a normal voice?

If you answer "duck voice" at both questions then our views are so distant that it is pointless to even continue this debate. That is not to say that your view is wrong: maybe I am the strange guy for thinking that animated Donald and comics Donald are basically two different characters. ;)

By the way, what are the "comics in which Donald's quacking voice was referred to by other characters"? I can only think of DuckTales comics.
Quote from user: ScroogerelloAnyway, I like the fact they're bringing Uncle Scrooge back--even though it will be practically impossible to get my hands on a copy here in the Netherlands, without having to pay at least ten times its USA price...
I'm gladly someone returned in-topic, especially since it's partially my fault if we went off-topic.
Frik
Quote from user: ScroogerelloAnyway, I like the fact they're bringing Uncle Scrooge back--even though it will be practically impossible to get my hands on a copy here in the Netherlands, without having to pay at least ten times its USA price...
Not necessarily.
I'm from the Netherlands as well, and used to order the Boom! Disney comics from

http://www.tfaw.com

Of course you had to pay for shipping/handling, but I usually ordered a number of issues at the same time, but this certainly didn't amount to ten times the US price.
Now I'm assuming TFAW will carry the upcoming issues as well....

sk
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