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Topic: Uncle Scrooge #1 (or #405) (from IDW)

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Dutch Duckfan Down Under
There's a cartoon from 1947 or so in which Donald changes his voice thanks to some kind of miracle tonic, because even Daisy can't understand what he's saying. I've always thought he has a speech impediment that's rare even for ducks. Similarly, there's another cartoon from that era where he hires a physical double, and he has a suave human voice.
Of course, you could also subscribe to the theory that cartoon!Donald is a character portrayed by actor!Donald, but that gets a bit complicated when you pull comics!Donald into the mix.
Clinton Coot
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderThere's a cartoon from 1947 or so in which Donald changes his voice thanks to some kind of miracle tonic, because even Daisy can't understand what he's saying. I've always thought he has a speech impediment that's rare even for ducks. Similarly, there's another cartoon from that era where he hires a physical double, and he has a suave human voice.
I guess you are referring to "Donald's Dream Voice" (1948) and "Donald's Double Trouble" (1946) respectively.
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderOf course, you could also subscribe to the theory that cartoon!Donald is a character portrayed by actor!Donald, but that gets a bit complicated when you pull comics!Donald into the mix.
I still stand to my idea that cartoon Donald and comics Donald are basically two different characters, with comics Donald having a human voice, but it's good to hear other people's opinion.
Thomps2525
Okay, so we've gotten off topic...but we're still discussing Scrooge. That makes everything okay, right? For those who are unfamiliar with Alan Young, he was born Agnus Young in 1919 in North Shields, northeast England. From age 1 to age 6, he lived in Scotland, then moved with his family to Canada. He had several radio and television series in the United States and Canada. From 1961 to 1966, he starred on Mr. Ed as Wilbur Post, the owner of a horse who could talk...but wouldn't talk to anyone but Wilbur. Young has voiced Scrooge since 1983. He was also the voice of a similar character, Haggis McHaggis, on several 1990s Ren & Stimpy cartoons and he voiced Farmer Smurf in the 1980s Smurfs series. Young, still living at 95, wrote an autobiography in 1995. It was titled Mr. Ed & Me. In 2007, an updated version, Mr. Ed & Me & More, was released. Unfortunately, both editions are now out of print but the newer one is available on Kindle.
http://www.amazon.com/Mister-Ed-More-Alan-Young/dp/0979740401
dkenny mentioned Scrooge's "Bless me bagpipes" excalamation. Does anyone know the origin and exact meaning of "Cushlamachree," the word that Scrooge has uttered in several comic stories of the 1990s and 2000s? I searched for answers and couldn't find any references connecting the word with Scrooge. A woman named Cushla Machree emigrated from Galway to New York in 1849. There was also a ship with that name. The word means "joy of my heart" in Gaelic. Is that what it means when Scrooge says it?
Angilasman
I think an animated Barks adaptation could find a happy medium in Donald's voice: retain the distinct 'quacking' accent (which is iconic) but a bit lighter, his words a bit clearer so as to accommodate more dialog.
Perhaps this could be achieved electronically, not completely through the voice artist.
Also - this is my first post! I registered due to the excitement over the new Disney comics!
Thomps2525
Welcome aboard, sailor!
I just thought of something. (Yes, I do think of things sometimes.) Donald Duck made his first appearance in the 1934 short The Wise Little Hen. He often appeared in the Mickey Mouse comic strips before getting his own comic strip in 1938. Comic books featuring Donald originated in Italy and the UK in 1937 and began publication in the US in 1940. Even though we had heard Donald's voice in dozens of animated shorts, did any of us have that voice in mind when we were reading the comic strips and comic books in the 1960s? And, if so, did we also try to imagine what kind of voice Scrooge and Gladstone and the Beagle Boys might have had? Nowadays, when I read Simpsons comics, my little brain hears all the voices from the animated tv show. But when I read Disney comics, I hear Scrooge's Scottish accent but I never hear Donald's duck voice. Is Donald's voice so unusual that our imagination doesn't try to re-create it when we read? This is a mystery that possibly only a psychologist could explain!
Baar Baar Jinx
Quote from user: Thomps2525Nowadays, when I read Simpsons comics, my little brain hears all the voices from the animated tv show. But when I read Disney comics, I hear Scrooge's Scottish accent but I never hear Donald's duck voice. Is Donald's voice so unusual that our imagination doesn't try to re-create it when we read? This is a mystery that possibly only a psychologist could explain!
Interesting question. I've never really thought about this before, but now that we're discussing it, I've come to the conclusion that when I read comics (Simpsons, Disney, Popeye, whatever) I don't really hear any particular voices, even though I often know what the characters should sound like. I guess that makes me singularly unimaginative. Am I alone here? On a related note, if you read a quote from, say, President Obama in an article, do you hear it in his voice?
Robb_K
I "hear" all speaking characters in a monotone "reading voice". But, at least, if the words are spelt differently for young children, and foreign accents, I hear the monotone voice speaking in that accent. That is why I use extremely heavy foreign accents for foreigners, knowing that my editors will cut the "heaviness" (variation from proper spelling) down to the bone. Ha! Ha! You'd have to be a Highlander who speaks "Scots" rather than English with a "Scottish accent" (as most Scots do today) or a reader of Old English from the 9th Century, to understand the dialogues of my Scottish characters if I were to use them in a story. If I had my way, I'd slip in foreign phrases in the foreign languages. But the editors would almost always reject those, and translate them back into Dutch or Danish, or the language of the printing country.
MustangRockstar
It's funny, Donald's voice is the hardest for me to keep consistent in my head when reading comics. I've seen similar comments from other comic fans. I've found it easier to keep Anselmo's Donald voice in my head than Nash's voice. Anselmo tends to be able to do the voice raspy so that he can say more words.
When I read, I hear Young as Scrooge, Taylor as Huey, Dewey and Louie and most of the cast of Ducktales as the corresponding character they voiced.
With that said, I keep the interpretations different. I try not to be a literalist with comics. There is simply too many comics, too many artists and too versions to have a definitive version. I treat the Disney universe the same way I treat Batman, or Garfield, or Peanuts - there are different versions and each version has some great elements.
I read comics to enjoy them and be entertained, not to beat myself senseless with logic and an obsessive compulsive desire for order - which I am perfectly capable of doing to myself.
Angilasman
I generally don't 'hear' a character's voice while reading, barring some exceptions.
When I read Hellboy comics I don't hear Ron Perlman's voice as Hellboy, even though I can't imagine any other person playing the character, but, strangely, when I read those same comics I do hear John Hurt's voice for Professor Broom! Weird, huh?
Richie
I don't imagine a voice for the characters either; I don't know, it's just something that doesn't come up when enjoying these comics.
Anselmo's Donald may be more intelligible, but that's also because he (and by proxy Donald), has been given very easy-to-understand dialogue for the most part. This comes with the disadvantage of robbing Animation!Donald of even more personality when compared to his comics' counterpart. But there are a few bright spots here and there, which hopefully will get better with the newest Mickey shorts (in "Goofy's First Love" one, I cracked up with Anselmo's delivery of "Goofy needs one million dollars").
MustangRockstar
I've tried reading sans voices, but I feel like it is not as immersive of an experience.
I read a lot of non-fiction and history. I can breeze through those. But I always take longer with fiction because I really try and create a movie in my head.
Clinton Coot
Quote from user: AngilasmanI think an animated Barks adaptation could find a happy medium in Donald's voice: retain the distinct 'quacking' accent (which is iconic) but a bit lighter, his words a bit clearer so as to accommodate more dialog.

Perhaps this could be achieved electronically, not completely through the voice artist.

I am not sure it would be a good idea: even if the quakcing voice is a bit lighter it would still damage the dialogue, as well as ruin the feeling of "the Ducks are human beings" that the comics often emphasized.
Angilasman
Donald's animated voice is simply too iconic to change without alienating the vast majority of the audience, folks who've never heard of Barks but have known what Donald Duck sounds like since they were two years old.
Sirtao
Do anybody know how it was dealt with in the Pikappa videogame?
Clinton Coot
Quote from user: AngilasmanDonald's animated voice is simply too iconic to change without alienating the vast majority of the audience, folks who've never heard of Barks but have known what Donald Duck sounds like since they were two years old.
This is only true in countries were animated Donald is more famous than comics Donald.
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