Quote from user: misterpomRoger North: you're welcome. :D
Are Rosa's stories more clever than Barks'? Wow, what a great thing! I can't imagine that, though! Barks has some very clever storytelling. I like his drawing as well. I feel like it's almost minimalist and everything is very "round" and "cute". I think it looks great. There's also something about his tales that are moral but not preachy or moralistic. I like his messages and his character development. His characters are multidimensional and they serve the story rather than the story serving them. I love this.
I don't know if they are MORE clever, but just the amount of humor included I think is higher. He tries to throw funny details in everywhere.
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Topic: Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
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AzureBlue
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 136 -
2013-12-03 at 23:31:15
Misterpom
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 137 -
2013-12-04 at 06:13:23
I'm willing to bet most people buying those comics are not Carl Barks aficionados. So I think that a Van Horn collection would please hardcore Donald Duck fans and casual readers alike. So just keep they coming.
By the way, how many volumes would it take to fill all the Van Horn stories considering 200 pages per book more or less? Does anyone know?
By the way, how many volumes would it take to fill all the Van Horn stories considering 200 pages per book more or less? Does anyone know?
Gooey98
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 138 -
2013-12-04 at 17:50:19
Quote from user: AzureBlueI don't know if they are MORE clever, but just the amount of humor included I think is higher. He tries to throw funny details in everywhere.
Sarcastic! Sarcastic is the word I was thinking of. Don Rosa tends to be a lot more sarcastic than Carl Barks. And you know, I just LOVE sarcasm.
Sarcastic! Sarcastic is the word I was thinking of. Don Rosa tends to be a lot more sarcastic than Carl Barks. And you know, I just LOVE sarcasm.
MustangRockstar
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 139 -
2013-12-04 at 17:55:38
Quote from user: AzureBlueQuote from user: misterpomRoger North: you're welcome. :D
Are Rosa's stories more clever than Barks'? Wow, what a great thing! I can't imagine that, though! Barks has some very clever storytelling. I like his drawing as well. I feel like it's almost minimalist and everything is very "round" and "cute". I think it looks great. There's also something about his tales that are moral but not preachy or moralistic. I like his messages and his character development. His characters are multidimensional and they serve the story rather than the story serving them. I love this.
I don't know if they are MORE clever, but just the amount of humor included I think is higher. He tries to throw funny details in everywhere.
I always saw it as a different kind of humor. Barks humor was "ironic" in nature in that situations would happen despite best efforts to achieve the opposite effect.
Rosa is a bit more sarcastic humor - observing the chaos that surrounds the characters.
With Barks you read the characters and say to yourself, "I can't believe that just happened."
With Rosa you read the characters as they say "I can't believe that just happened."
Are Rosa's stories more clever than Barks'? Wow, what a great thing! I can't imagine that, though! Barks has some very clever storytelling. I like his drawing as well. I feel like it's almost minimalist and everything is very "round" and "cute". I think it looks great. There's also something about his tales that are moral but not preachy or moralistic. I like his messages and his character development. His characters are multidimensional and they serve the story rather than the story serving them. I love this.
I don't know if they are MORE clever, but just the amount of humor included I think is higher. He tries to throw funny details in everywhere.
I always saw it as a different kind of humor. Barks humor was "ironic" in nature in that situations would happen despite best efforts to achieve the opposite effect.
Rosa is a bit more sarcastic humor - observing the chaos that surrounds the characters.
With Barks you read the characters and say to yourself, "I can't believe that just happened."
With Rosa you read the characters as they say "I can't believe that just happened."
GeoX
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 140 -
2013-12-06 at 07:30:08
I think the word people are groping for is "self-conscious." Barks was basically just doing his thing, pioneering the form, all in a day's work. Whereas Rosa was very, very consciously building on a particular vision of the Barsian oeuvre. It's like comparing Tristram Shandy to Pynchon's Mason & Dixon--ie, an actual seventeenth-century novel vs. a postmodern riff on same. I love 'em both, but it seems to me that trying to claim one is "better" than the other is a bit of a category error.
Groovemachine
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 141 -
2013-12-06 at 08:26:28
I would just say that Carl Barks was masterful at his craft. Anyone in any artistic field that has a large footprint changes everything that happens afterwards, not in the sense of "influence" per say, but in the fact that there is a reckoning that later generations of artists must go through. The same thing is/will be true for future duck cartoonists with Don Rosa's work.
Argonaut
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 142 -
2013-12-13 at 04:22:23
Don's brand-new FCBD cover is up!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=49672
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http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=49672
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Roger North
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 143 -
2013-12-13 at 12:37:01
That sounds awesome.
Arild
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 144 -
2013-12-13 at 21:26:04
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http://www.fantagraphics.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Free-Comic-Book-Day-2014-features-Don-Rosa.html&Itemid=113
http://www.fantagraphics.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Free-Comic-Book-Day-2014-features-Don-Rosa.html&Itemid=113
Gooey98
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 145 -
2013-12-14 at 00:34:57
Took me way way too long to find D.U.C.K.
Coolwater
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 146 -
2013-12-14 at 15:07:38
Barks's and Rosa's humor are indeed of two different types or categories.
Rosa's humor is self-referential, self-ironical and interspersed with allusions. You hardly find anything of that kind in Barks's stories, which are in this kind reduced, straight, fussless. But it would be indeed as if you compared the aesthetics of the Gothic style with that of Bauhaus (well, okay, bad example, Bauhaus is uglier, no doubt). Apart from the fact that Rosa builds his house on Barks, it is hard to imagine that Rosa would have been possible already in Barks's time. Rosa, this is the post-modern (whatever this means) pop era and media society which began to reflect and ironise itself. Rosa's humor reminds of the humor you find "The Simpsons". There is nothing similar to the specific "Simpsons" humor in the television program of past epochs.
I don't think that Rosa's humor is in any way "superior" to Barks's. Barks's humor is absolutely round and full. Just think of memorable humor stories like "Fireman Donald" (WDC 86), "Worst Nightmare" (WDC 101), "Trouble with Dimes" (WDC 130), "Statuesque Spendthrifs" (WDC 138), "The Easter Parade" (WDC 151), "Dramatic Donald" (WDC 217), "A Stone's Throw from Ghost Town" (WDC 271), but also of longies like "Volcano Valley" (OS 147) in which humor is dominating. These are not just sequences of funny situations, remarks and "gags", but the whole stories form from the first to the last panel, dramatically boosting and finally culiminating, compact and complex humor stories, with every panel, every sentence, every facial expression absolutely fitting and serving as humor generator. I don't think that any of the named stories could be made in any respect "better", or that a dose of humor could be "added" anywhere in them. Anything more would be annoying frills. These stories are simply perfect.
I don't think that Rosa is more sarcastic than Barks. Barks view on man and on the society seems to be darker than Rosa's. There's more sentiment, more ... schmalz in Rosa's stories, up to a degree that it becomes a bit hard to swallow. Especially when Scrooge becomes nostalgic and sentimental. In Barks's stories these are only short moments, but Rosa makes up whole stories on this.
Rosa's humor is self-referential, self-ironical and interspersed with allusions. You hardly find anything of that kind in Barks's stories, which are in this kind reduced, straight, fussless. But it would be indeed as if you compared the aesthetics of the Gothic style with that of Bauhaus (well, okay, bad example, Bauhaus is uglier, no doubt). Apart from the fact that Rosa builds his house on Barks, it is hard to imagine that Rosa would have been possible already in Barks's time. Rosa, this is the post-modern (whatever this means) pop era and media society which began to reflect and ironise itself. Rosa's humor reminds of the humor you find "The Simpsons". There is nothing similar to the specific "Simpsons" humor in the television program of past epochs.
I don't think that Rosa's humor is in any way "superior" to Barks's. Barks's humor is absolutely round and full. Just think of memorable humor stories like "Fireman Donald" (WDC 86), "Worst Nightmare" (WDC 101), "Trouble with Dimes" (WDC 130), "Statuesque Spendthrifs" (WDC 138), "The Easter Parade" (WDC 151), "Dramatic Donald" (WDC 217), "A Stone's Throw from Ghost Town" (WDC 271), but also of longies like "Volcano Valley" (OS 147) in which humor is dominating. These are not just sequences of funny situations, remarks and "gags", but the whole stories form from the first to the last panel, dramatically boosting and finally culiminating, compact and complex humor stories, with every panel, every sentence, every facial expression absolutely fitting and serving as humor generator. I don't think that any of the named stories could be made in any respect "better", or that a dose of humor could be "added" anywhere in them. Anything more would be annoying frills. These stories are simply perfect.
I don't think that Rosa is more sarcastic than Barks. Barks view on man and on the society seems to be darker than Rosa's. There's more sentiment, more ... schmalz in Rosa's stories, up to a degree that it becomes a bit hard to swallow. Especially when Scrooge becomes nostalgic and sentimental. In Barks's stories these are only short moments, but Rosa makes up whole stories on this.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 147 -
2013-12-14 at 19:33:34
Quote from user: CoolwaterBarks's and Rosa's humor are indeed of two different types or categories.
Rosa's humor is self-referential, self-ironical and interspersed with allusions. You hardly find anything of that kind in Barks's stories, which are in this kind reduced, straight, fussless. But it would be indeed as if you compared the aesthetics of the Gothic style with that of Bauhaus (well ... okay, bad example, Bauhaus is uglier, no doubt). Apart from the fact that Rosa builds his house on Barks, it is hard to imagine that Rosa would have been possible already in Barks's time. Rosa, this is the post-modern (whatever this means) pop era and media society which began to reflect and ironise itself. Rosa's humor reminds of the humor you find "The Simpsons". There is nothing similar to the specific "Simpsons" humor in the television program of past epochs.
I don't think that Rosa's humor is in any way "superior" to Barks's. Barks's humor is absolutely round and full. Just think of memorable humor stories like "Fireman Donald" (WDC 86), "Worst Nightmare" (WDC 101), "Trouble with Dimes" (WDC 130), "Statuesque Spendthrifs" (WDC 138), "The Easter Parade" (WDC 151), "Dramatic Donald" (WDC 217), "A Stone's Throw from Ghost Town" (WDC 271), but also of longies like "Volcano Valley" (OS 147) in which humor is dominating. These are not just sequences of funny situations, remarks and "gags", but the whole stories form from the first to the last panel, dramatically boosting and finally culiminating, compact and complex humor stories, with every panel, every sentence, every facial expression absolutely fitting and serving as humor generator. I don't think that any of the named stories could be made in any respect "better", or that a dose of humor could be "added" anywhere in them. Anything more would be annoying frills. These stories are simply perfect.
Good post.
Another difference between Barks and Rosa is that when Rosa uses slapstick it's much more static. Barks' characters are more running around (case in point: Fireman Donald from WDC 86), while Rosa's are more getting hurt (cases in point: end of Treasure under Glass, most of El Dorado and one of the Three Caballeros stories). That's also the only thing Rosa uses Donald for: Barks' Donald is much more scheming foolishly, while Rosa's Donald is just on the butt-end of slapstick.
Quote from user: CoolwaterI don't think that Rosa is more sarcastiv than Barks. Barks view on man and on the society seems to be darker than Rosa's. There's more sentiment, more ... schmalz in Rosa's stories, up to a degree where it becomes a bit hard to swallow. Especially when Scrooge becomes nostalgic and sentimental. In Barks's stories these are only short moments, but Rosa makes up whole stories on this.
Barks is definately not a sentimental person. It shines through in all his interviews. In fact, there's a lot from his life coming through in his work. His views on society are unapologetic and cynical, but that's where he gets a lot of his humor from.
Rosa writes as a fan, and doesn't have much to say on society. He focuses more on story, characters and genre parodies. I don't think Barks would ever think of doing something like "The Duck Who Never Was". Rosa is also a history buff, and a lot of his stories deal with history in some way, where Barks was always looking at the present. In fact, you could even say all of Rosa's stories take place in the past, since he sets them in the 1950s. There are Cold War references throughout, even though the stories themselves are very 90s.
On the contrary, Barks' stories even look to the future now and then. How many times hasn't Barks set a story in space? (Moon Race 10-pager, The Mad Chemist, Gus and Gyro in Space, the 24 Carat Moon, Island in the Sky, Loony Lunar Gold Rush, the list goes on.) Rosa did a space story once - "Attack of the Hideous Space Varmints" - and it was 50s pulp about the Money Bin with some references to the Klondike and a hidden Mickey on the back side of the moon.
And yeah, he can get a little too sentimental. Heck, "The Prisoner of White Agony Creek" is like a victory run of all story elements Rosa loves to do (and to be fair it feels very far removed from Barks' Back to the Klondike).
Rosa's humor is self-referential, self-ironical and interspersed with allusions. You hardly find anything of that kind in Barks's stories, which are in this kind reduced, straight, fussless. But it would be indeed as if you compared the aesthetics of the Gothic style with that of Bauhaus (well ... okay, bad example, Bauhaus is uglier, no doubt). Apart from the fact that Rosa builds his house on Barks, it is hard to imagine that Rosa would have been possible already in Barks's time. Rosa, this is the post-modern (whatever this means) pop era and media society which began to reflect and ironise itself. Rosa's humor reminds of the humor you find "The Simpsons". There is nothing similar to the specific "Simpsons" humor in the television program of past epochs.
I don't think that Rosa's humor is in any way "superior" to Barks's. Barks's humor is absolutely round and full. Just think of memorable humor stories like "Fireman Donald" (WDC 86), "Worst Nightmare" (WDC 101), "Trouble with Dimes" (WDC 130), "Statuesque Spendthrifs" (WDC 138), "The Easter Parade" (WDC 151), "Dramatic Donald" (WDC 217), "A Stone's Throw from Ghost Town" (WDC 271), but also of longies like "Volcano Valley" (OS 147) in which humor is dominating. These are not just sequences of funny situations, remarks and "gags", but the whole stories form from the first to the last panel, dramatically boosting and finally culiminating, compact and complex humor stories, with every panel, every sentence, every facial expression absolutely fitting and serving as humor generator. I don't think that any of the named stories could be made in any respect "better", or that a dose of humor could be "added" anywhere in them. Anything more would be annoying frills. These stories are simply perfect.
Good post.
Another difference between Barks and Rosa is that when Rosa uses slapstick it's much more static. Barks' characters are more running around (case in point: Fireman Donald from WDC 86), while Rosa's are more getting hurt (cases in point: end of Treasure under Glass, most of El Dorado and one of the Three Caballeros stories). That's also the only thing Rosa uses Donald for: Barks' Donald is much more scheming foolishly, while Rosa's Donald is just on the butt-end of slapstick.
Quote from user: CoolwaterI don't think that Rosa is more sarcastiv than Barks. Barks view on man and on the society seems to be darker than Rosa's. There's more sentiment, more ... schmalz in Rosa's stories, up to a degree where it becomes a bit hard to swallow. Especially when Scrooge becomes nostalgic and sentimental. In Barks's stories these are only short moments, but Rosa makes up whole stories on this.
Barks is definately not a sentimental person. It shines through in all his interviews. In fact, there's a lot from his life coming through in his work. His views on society are unapologetic and cynical, but that's where he gets a lot of his humor from.
Rosa writes as a fan, and doesn't have much to say on society. He focuses more on story, characters and genre parodies. I don't think Barks would ever think of doing something like "The Duck Who Never Was". Rosa is also a history buff, and a lot of his stories deal with history in some way, where Barks was always looking at the present. In fact, you could even say all of Rosa's stories take place in the past, since he sets them in the 1950s. There are Cold War references throughout, even though the stories themselves are very 90s.
On the contrary, Barks' stories even look to the future now and then. How many times hasn't Barks set a story in space? (Moon Race 10-pager, The Mad Chemist, Gus and Gyro in Space, the 24 Carat Moon, Island in the Sky, Loony Lunar Gold Rush, the list goes on.) Rosa did a space story once - "Attack of the Hideous Space Varmints" - and it was 50s pulp about the Money Bin with some references to the Klondike and a hidden Mickey on the back side of the moon.
And yeah, he can get a little too sentimental. Heck, "The Prisoner of White Agony Creek" is like a victory run of all story elements Rosa loves to do (and to be fair it feels very far removed from Barks' Back to the Klondike).
Misterpom
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 148 -
2013-12-18 at 17:25:03
I personally feel Barks is hilarious, especially on the 10 pagers. I find the situations the characters find themselves in really funny. I don´t know Rosa yet, but I feel like Barks humor doesn´t come from gags but from the characters react to each other and the silly plots. Donald is the one that makes me laugh the most. I love how he is the "average duck" who just wants to get ahead and never seems to be able to.
Gooey98
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 149 -
2013-12-19 at 00:54:05
The one part about Rosa stories that tends to make me cringe is the sentimental crap.
AzureBlue
Don Rosa Library to be published by Fantagraphics in 2014
Message 150 -
2013-12-20 at 02:35:17
Quote from user: Gooey98The one part about Rosa stories that tends to make me cringe is the sentimental crap.
I don't know, I like it most of the time. I do agree that on occasion he probably has pushed it too far. In terms of sentiment, my favorite story is still Back to the Klondike- I absolutely love that ending. Which is why I HATE THAT DUCKTALES EPISODE BECAUSE THE ENDING THEY MADE SUCKED.
I don't know, I like it most of the time. I do agree that on occasion he probably has pushed it too far. In terms of sentiment, my favorite story is still Back to the Klondike- I absolutely love that ending. Which is why I HATE THAT DUCKTALES EPISODE BECAUSE THE ENDING THEY MADE SUCKED.