HARRY, DAVID and everyone:
Could I give my opinion about Barks and Gottfredson?
Personnally, I consider that the short MM stories published as daily
strips around 1947 (each story was usually two weeks of strips) are real
masterpieces, and are part of the Gottfredson "gold" period. The stories
in the late 40s are different, but as good as the old ones from the 30s.
(I can understand, though, that people sometimes prefer the old
stories).
About Barks:
A very important change in Carl Barks' work was "Ghost of the Grotto".
G. Blum said that this story *is* a landmark, though one could also say
this for "Adventure Down Under", submitted by Barks before "Ghost of the
Grotto".
LUNA SORTA:
>are there 2 persons who receive both the digest
>and the messages??
Apparently :-)
CLAUS O. M. HAVIK:
>Is there anyway to order the Picsou Magazine from Norway or if it can
>be found in Norway, and if there is, does anybody know how
>much it would cost?
See a message posted here last October by Didier Ghez:
--start--
The rate for 12 issues is:
For France: 159FF
For Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Spain, UK, Greece, Irland,
Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal: 219FF
For the other European countries: 235FF
For USA, Canada and Middle-East: 265FF
Other American countries: 300FF
Oceania: 330FF
The rate for 24 issues is:
For France: 288FF
For Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Spain, UK, Greece, Irland,
Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal: 357FF
For the other European countries: 390FF
For USA, Canada and Middle-East: 450FF
Other American countries: 515FF
Oceania: 575FF
All those prices include postage.
You can pay by:
Credit Card (Visa, mastercard and any card that has 16 figures)
International money order
You should send your payment to:
Picsou Magazine Abonnements
TSA 90213
92887 Nanterre
Cedex 9
France
-end--
>It's always interesting to keep up my French, but there's one more
>question. Does Piscou use "school" French, or a lot of slang and
>other odd spelling/words as Gladstone does in English.
They never use slang (except in "Attack of the Hideous Space Varmints").
But I don't know what you prefer...
Francois
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Francois Willot
Gottfredson
Message 151 -
1998-01-11 at 14:52:02
SRoweCanoe
Spanish Disney Comics
Message 152 -
1998-01-11 at 16:31:18
In a message dated 98-01-10 14:17:16 EST, Santiago writes:
<< Greetings from Spain, Andrea:
I'm very sorry to explain to you that, as far as I know, Disney comics=20
in Spain stopped being published weekly some years ago. Since then, =20
you can hardly ever find some volumes in the stores, and usually=20
among other comic characters and collections. I've been searching=20
over the local seekers in the net for some info, but I haven=B4t found=20
anything. Shameful, really!
The only way I think you can get through is maybe in the USA, or some=20
other countries in Southamerica. Maybe there is some company that=20
issues Spanish stuff. Try to search in the net.
Santiago>>
The Last Time that I was in Mexico (ten years ago, and hey the only time I was
in Mexico), I bought a handful of Disney comics. I assume that they are still
being published there. Anybody from Mexico here? I recall Disneylandia.
Steven Rowe
<< Greetings from Spain, Andrea:
I'm very sorry to explain to you that, as far as I know, Disney comics=20
in Spain stopped being published weekly some years ago. Since then, =20
you can hardly ever find some volumes in the stores, and usually=20
among other comic characters and collections. I've been searching=20
over the local seekers in the net for some info, but I haven=B4t found=20
anything. Shameful, really!
The only way I think you can get through is maybe in the USA, or some=20
other countries in Southamerica. Maybe there is some company that=20
issues Spanish stuff. Try to search in the net.
Santiago>>
The Last Time that I was in Mexico (ten years ago, and hey the only time I was
in Mexico), I bought a handful of Disney comics. I assume that they are still
being published there. Anybody from Mexico here? I recall Disneylandia.
Steven Rowe
SRoweCanoe
Disney Adventures
Message 153 -
1998-01-11 at 16:31:25
The new "spineless" Disney Adventures sure seems small. I wonder how this
will effect sales...
Volume 8 #4 February 1998
Hercules * All At Sea Jack Enyart, writer; Cosme
Quartieri, pencills, Horacio Ottolini, inker JZ 325 8pp
Basketball Style and Fashion Through The Years
Chris Nieratko, writer Jeff Wong, artist JZ 30(last diget unreadable) 2pp
Bone * Let's Make A Deal (reprinted from Bone) (c) Jeff Smith
Jeff Smith, writer / artist JZ 339 9pp
Timon & Pumbaa * Hide and Smell JZ 290 1p
Roger Brown, writer; Cosme Quatieri, pencils Ottolini, inks
((this one page gag looks familiar, has it been publisheed somewhere else?)
next issue on sale Feb. 17th.
Another mark of my increasing age is that I've never even heard of the music
group on the cover, Hanson. So sign me clueless and ancient... Steven
Rowe
will effect sales...
Volume 8 #4 February 1998
Hercules * All At Sea Jack Enyart, writer; Cosme
Quartieri, pencills, Horacio Ottolini, inker JZ 325 8pp
Basketball Style and Fashion Through The Years
Chris Nieratko, writer Jeff Wong, artist JZ 30(last diget unreadable) 2pp
Bone * Let's Make A Deal (reprinted from Bone) (c) Jeff Smith
Jeff Smith, writer / artist JZ 339 9pp
Timon & Pumbaa * Hide and Smell JZ 290 1p
Roger Brown, writer; Cosme Quatieri, pencils Ottolini, inks
((this one page gag looks familiar, has it been publisheed somewhere else?)
next issue on sale Feb. 17th.
Another mark of my increasing age is that I've never even heard of the music
group on the cover, Hanson. So sign me clueless and ancient... Steven
Rowe
Rob Gibson
This n' that
Message 154 -
1998-01-11 at 18:44:28
Sounds like ASM#2 is an instant rare collectible. Everyone wants it and
no one has it.
Interesting article in the LA Times 1/10/98 Calendar section. Here are
a few relevant quotes:
"After the successful adaptation of 'Men in Black', movie producers are
looking to other comic books for the Next Wave.
"In the world of comics, 'Men in Black' was considered just another
crappy black and white title.
"Lately, it appears, Hollywood is using the comics world as a rich
source of unproduced story boards.
"Other examples of films with comic book qualities are works by
directors who rely heavily on storyboards, like Alfred Hitchcock and
Steven Speilberg.
"But even as comic book movies and culture are on the rise, the comics
industry itself is in sharp decline.
"Comics aren't selling as well as they used to, because everything is
focused on the superhero comics and the superhero's a bit tired."
My own take on the decline of sales for comics in general is that
they're being co-opted by movies and TV. Some people I know with small
children use the VCR as a babysitter, and their kids sit watching movies
for hours every day( I recently read a study that claimed that small
children are watching more TV per week than ever before ).
Perhaps the problem is that small children with undeveloped reading
skills prefer watching a movie on the VCR to reading a comic book.
Perhaps an issue too is that families with two working parents spend
less time reading to their children.
Rob Gibson
no one has it.
Interesting article in the LA Times 1/10/98 Calendar section. Here are
a few relevant quotes:
"After the successful adaptation of 'Men in Black', movie producers are
looking to other comic books for the Next Wave.
"In the world of comics, 'Men in Black' was considered just another
crappy black and white title.
"Lately, it appears, Hollywood is using the comics world as a rich
source of unproduced story boards.
"Other examples of films with comic book qualities are works by
directors who rely heavily on storyboards, like Alfred Hitchcock and
Steven Speilberg.
"But even as comic book movies and culture are on the rise, the comics
industry itself is in sharp decline.
"Comics aren't selling as well as they used to, because everything is
focused on the superhero comics and the superhero's a bit tired."
My own take on the decline of sales for comics in general is that
they're being co-opted by movies and TV. Some people I know with small
children use the VCR as a babysitter, and their kids sit watching movies
for hours every day( I recently read a study that claimed that small
children are watching more TV per week than ever before ).
Perhaps the problem is that small children with undeveloped reading
skills prefer watching a movie on the VCR to reading a comic book.
Perhaps an issue too is that families with two working parents spend
less time reading to their children.
Rob Gibson
Luca Boschi
Luca Boschi on Fethry Duck
Message 155 -
1998-01-11 at 18:45:56
To RICH BELLACERA
Hi! I think I can answer to some of your questions.
=20
> A: Where does Fethry Duck live?
>=20
> In Fethry's premiere appearance in "Donald Duck" #105, in
> "Donald's Buzz'n Cousin" the story begins with Donald going
> to the airport to pick him up. As Fethry's popularity is p=
rimarily
> outside of the USA I have often wondered where Fethry was
> coming from for his visit with his cousin Donald. Among th=
e
> folks I have spoken with, it seems to have been an assumpti=
on
> that both Fethry and his nephew, Biquinho/Pennino live in
> Duckburg. =20
Yes, it's true. But maybe in the beginning of Fethry's saga, to justify=
=20
his previous absence from the scenes, the story man who created him,=20
Dick Kinney (Jack's brother) lets understand to the readerships that=20
Fethry has lived far from Duckburg. In New York or Los Angeles, maybe;=20
places where the new beatnik philosophys took place (yoga,=20
"macrobiotica" and so on). To look for his real origins, you must not=20
take the Tony Strobl's story, wichi is really the very first printed in=
=20
USA, but not the first one conceived. Fethry's model was drawn by Al=20
Hubbard in the late 1963, for the international (non USA) market. His=20
very first story was distributed in Europe in 1964 (two years before=20
"Donald Duck" #105). In Italy it was published in "Topolino" n.453=20
(8/2/64) and titled "Paperino e il fanatico igienista". In the same=20
story, for the first time is introduced also Tabby the cat, and uncle=20
Ludwig Von Drake appears. Fethry and Donald never met before (or only=20
when they were kids, at least), and the first one declares to have come=
=20
to Duckburg by plane. In one story of the same year he comes to Duckbur=
g=20
by train. But later, the same couple of autors (Kinney-Hubbard) decides=
=20
to create a (very odd) house in Duckburg for their character. So, he=20
lives there from 1964...=20
> B: Why has Biquinho's coloring changed from yellow to white?
>=20
> It has come to my understanding that Fethry's nephew was a
> product of a Brazilian "coloring contest" where fans were =
asked
> to determine little Biquinho's feather colors. The end re=
sult was
> that he was officially colored yellow (actually a pale yel=
low).
> However, in some of the non-Brazillian books I have notice=
d
> that he is "white" like all of the other ducks and geese. =
Is this
> a *mistake* or oversight by other publishers who are unawa=
re
> of his official yellow coloring or has he recently changed=
to
> white for some other reason?
>=20
Yes! It's one of the millions of mistakes made by italian colorists, wh=
o=20
usually has no brain for their job and do it very badly. And noone give=
=20
them a color guide of the characters (I insisted verrry frequently abou=
t=20
this argument, but maybe that for italian editors it's not important.=20
So, for ex.:, frequently they change into white the color of Panchito's=
=20
feathers, color Atomino Bip Bip in skin rose or in green instead of=20
light blue and so on). The REAL color of Biquinho's feather is light=20
yellow, but in Italy (and in the lands who buy color films from Italy)=20
noone knows it.
> C. BTW, I know it hasn't become an issue yet since Biquinho=20
has
> not appeared in the USA, but technically wouldn't his Engl=
ish
> name be "Nib Duck"? Both Biquinho and Pennino literally
> translate to "Nib" in English (which seems to be a play on=
words
> relating to his being a creation of the "pen" and "little"=
).
Maybe. The word "Nib" or "Nibbles" has been used for small characters'=20
names. In the Hanna-Barbera's bunch, for ex., Jerry's friend's first=20
name, before Tuffy, was Nibbles.
>=20
> 3) SUPER DAISY?
>=20
> I have recently heard some folks speak about a period of time wh=
en
> Daisy Duck donned a superhero identity (Papernika??) and used
> gagets. Can someone please send me a scan of her in this costum=
e
> and tell me some details about her in this identity? =20
She appeared for the first time in the story "Paperinika e il filo=20
d'Arianna" (T n.906, 4/8/1973). The idea of the character come from=20
Guido Martina's fantasy. She was drawn by Giorgio Cavazzano.
How did she
> acquire the suit/powers? =20
She has no super powers. She has devices created by Genialina Edy Son (=
a=20
high fashion stylist), who creates also her costume (I can't scan a=20
picture of her, I have no scan handy, maybe Marco Barlotti, uh?) ang=20
gives her some inventions, like sleeping pills, a car "=E0 la James Bon=
d"=20
and so on.
Whom/what did she fight, did she ever
> team up with Super Donald? =20
Very frequently. With and against Super Donald. In the stories made in=20
Brazil she teams-up with a bunch of Disney super heroes, As Super Goof,=
=20
Super Gilbert, Paper Bat (Fethry's super identity called Morcego=20
Vermelho in Brazil) and so on.
So, I hope to have been useful to you.
Bye, Luca
Hi! I think I can answer to some of your questions.
=20
> A: Where does Fethry Duck live?
>=20
> In Fethry's premiere appearance in "Donald Duck" #105, in
> "Donald's Buzz'n Cousin" the story begins with Donald going
> to the airport to pick him up. As Fethry's popularity is p=
rimarily
> outside of the USA I have often wondered where Fethry was
> coming from for his visit with his cousin Donald. Among th=
e
> folks I have spoken with, it seems to have been an assumpti=
on
> that both Fethry and his nephew, Biquinho/Pennino live in
> Duckburg. =20
Yes, it's true. But maybe in the beginning of Fethry's saga, to justify=
=20
his previous absence from the scenes, the story man who created him,=20
Dick Kinney (Jack's brother) lets understand to the readerships that=20
Fethry has lived far from Duckburg. In New York or Los Angeles, maybe;=20
places where the new beatnik philosophys took place (yoga,=20
"macrobiotica" and so on). To look for his real origins, you must not=20
take the Tony Strobl's story, wichi is really the very first printed in=
=20
USA, but not the first one conceived. Fethry's model was drawn by Al=20
Hubbard in the late 1963, for the international (non USA) market. His=20
very first story was distributed in Europe in 1964 (two years before=20
"Donald Duck" #105). In Italy it was published in "Topolino" n.453=20
(8/2/64) and titled "Paperino e il fanatico igienista". In the same=20
story, for the first time is introduced also Tabby the cat, and uncle=20
Ludwig Von Drake appears. Fethry and Donald never met before (or only=20
when they were kids, at least), and the first one declares to have come=
=20
to Duckburg by plane. In one story of the same year he comes to Duckbur=
g=20
by train. But later, the same couple of autors (Kinney-Hubbard) decides=
=20
to create a (very odd) house in Duckburg for their character. So, he=20
lives there from 1964...=20
> B: Why has Biquinho's coloring changed from yellow to white?
>=20
> It has come to my understanding that Fethry's nephew was a
> product of a Brazilian "coloring contest" where fans were =
asked
> to determine little Biquinho's feather colors. The end re=
sult was
> that he was officially colored yellow (actually a pale yel=
low).
> However, in some of the non-Brazillian books I have notice=
d
> that he is "white" like all of the other ducks and geese. =
Is this
> a *mistake* or oversight by other publishers who are unawa=
re
> of his official yellow coloring or has he recently changed=
to
> white for some other reason?
>=20
Yes! It's one of the millions of mistakes made by italian colorists, wh=
o=20
usually has no brain for their job and do it very badly. And noone give=
=20
them a color guide of the characters (I insisted verrry frequently abou=
t=20
this argument, but maybe that for italian editors it's not important.=20
So, for ex.:, frequently they change into white the color of Panchito's=
=20
feathers, color Atomino Bip Bip in skin rose or in green instead of=20
light blue and so on). The REAL color of Biquinho's feather is light=20
yellow, but in Italy (and in the lands who buy color films from Italy)=20
noone knows it.
> C. BTW, I know it hasn't become an issue yet since Biquinho=20
has
> not appeared in the USA, but technically wouldn't his Engl=
ish
> name be "Nib Duck"? Both Biquinho and Pennino literally
> translate to "Nib" in English (which seems to be a play on=
words
> relating to his being a creation of the "pen" and "little"=
).
Maybe. The word "Nib" or "Nibbles" has been used for small characters'=20
names. In the Hanna-Barbera's bunch, for ex., Jerry's friend's first=20
name, before Tuffy, was Nibbles.
>=20
> 3) SUPER DAISY?
>=20
> I have recently heard some folks speak about a period of time wh=
en
> Daisy Duck donned a superhero identity (Papernika??) and used
> gagets. Can someone please send me a scan of her in this costum=
e
> and tell me some details about her in this identity? =20
She appeared for the first time in the story "Paperinika e il filo=20
d'Arianna" (T n.906, 4/8/1973). The idea of the character come from=20
Guido Martina's fantasy. She was drawn by Giorgio Cavazzano.
How did she
> acquire the suit/powers? =20
She has no super powers. She has devices created by Genialina Edy Son (=
a=20
high fashion stylist), who creates also her costume (I can't scan a=20
picture of her, I have no scan handy, maybe Marco Barlotti, uh?) ang=20
gives her some inventions, like sleeping pills, a car "=E0 la James Bon=
d"=20
and so on.
Whom/what did she fight, did she ever
> team up with Super Donald? =20
Very frequently. With and against Super Donald. In the stories made in=20
Brazil she teams-up with a bunch of Disney super heroes, As Super Goof,=
=20
Super Gilbert, Paper Bat (Fethry's super identity called Morcego=20
Vermelho in Brazil) and so on.
So, I hope to have been useful to you.
Bye, Luca
Harry Fluks
Gottfredson
Message 156 -
1998-01-11 at 23:30:43
David and Paolo argued that Gottfredson's Golden age would
be a bit more than just 1937-1940. I agree, and I think I mistyped
the years. The Golden age starts (to me) in 1936 with
"The Foreign Legion" and ends in 1942 with "The Gleam"
(one of my personal favourites - reprinted this month in the
Dutch "DuckTales"!).
Still, I don't think "The Captive Castaways" (1934), "The Bat Bandit"
(1934), and "Editor-in-grief" (1935) are Golden Age stories,
as David and Paolo suggested. They are very good stories, though.
Is it a coincidence that my Golden age ends when Merill de Maris
left?
--Harry.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #10
*****************************************
be a bit more than just 1937-1940. I agree, and I think I mistyped
the years. The Golden age starts (to me) in 1936 with
"The Foreign Legion" and ends in 1942 with "The Gleam"
(one of my personal favourites - reprinted this month in the
Dutch "DuckTales"!).
Still, I don't think "The Captive Castaways" (1934), "The Bat Bandit"
(1934), and "Editor-in-grief" (1935) are Golden Age stories,
as David and Paolo suggested. They are very good stories, though.
Is it a coincidence that my Golden age ends when Merill de Maris
left?
--Harry.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #10
*****************************************
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 157 -
1998-01-12 at 02:58:01
CHRISTOPHER BARAT --
When people talk about how big a project it would be to
put all Disney comics on CD-ROM, they're talking about ALL
Disney comics. If we want to specialize, we can do it much more
economically. I recently got a CD writer, and have been storing
some heavy-duty graphics files with it, so I think I can supply
a few ROUGH figures.
Let's discuss "popular editions" -- resolution high
enough to look good on a computer screen, or reasonably decent
printed out on paper -- say, about 100 dpi or so. (If we want to
do "archival editions" -- resolution in the microscopic range,
i.e., 400 dpi and up -- the sky's the limit, because file size
goes up with the square of resolution. We should wait until
denser media are available before thinking about putting
anything like that on the market.)
I would guess that the complete works of Carl Barks,
scanned from printed comics in what is called "true color" (16
million shades) could be gotten onto 30 disks. The scanning
could be done by an individual, working alone at 40 hours per
week, in about four or five months. If we were to do "archival
quality" scans, while publishing the actual material at
"popular" resolution (figuring technology will eventually
allow us to publish them "right", so we might as well have the
scans on file), double the labor. It could be reduced to about
10 disks by scanning b/w proofs and having them colored on
the computer in something closer to regular comic book tones
(256 shades is a handy figure), but that would increase the
labor costs. I don't know how much, because I don't know how
fast a skilled colorist can work on a computer.
Labor, by the way, would depend on how carefully the
person doing the scans had to handle the material. If it were
done from comics that had to be handled with fingertips and
carefully placed on the scanner, double the time. If it were
done with recently-published albums that could be thrown away
after scanning, halve it -- maybe less -- in fact, the best way
to do it would probably be to slice the spines off and attach an
automatic page feeder to the scanner.
The complete Gottfredson is a little harder for me to
figure, since I haven't done newspaper strips yet, and since
formats vary so widely. I would say offhand, JUST as a guess,
that we could likely get about three years of dailies onto a
disk, and probably about the same for Sundays. That would put
his entire output between 1930 and 1960 in the neighborhood of
20 disks. Scanning time for that body of work would be (again,
I'm guessing) about the same as for Barks.
I haven't yet looked into costs of having disks reproduced,
once a master is made, but the mastering seems like the sort of
thing that could be afforded by a medium-size publisher. Retail
price would, of course, depend on how many sold copies these
set-up costs could be spread over, but I think the complete
Barks and the complete Gottfredson could turn out to be well
within the price range of the average member of this List -- in
fact, inexpensive enough to be worth publishing.
And once that's done, of course, we can start thinking
about the complete Murry, the complete Scarpa, the complete
Rosa, the complete Bucky Bug . . .
Quack, Don =
When people talk about how big a project it would be to
put all Disney comics on CD-ROM, they're talking about ALL
Disney comics. If we want to specialize, we can do it much more
economically. I recently got a CD writer, and have been storing
some heavy-duty graphics files with it, so I think I can supply
a few ROUGH figures.
Let's discuss "popular editions" -- resolution high
enough to look good on a computer screen, or reasonably decent
printed out on paper -- say, about 100 dpi or so. (If we want to
do "archival editions" -- resolution in the microscopic range,
i.e., 400 dpi and up -- the sky's the limit, because file size
goes up with the square of resolution. We should wait until
denser media are available before thinking about putting
anything like that on the market.)
I would guess that the complete works of Carl Barks,
scanned from printed comics in what is called "true color" (16
million shades) could be gotten onto 30 disks. The scanning
could be done by an individual, working alone at 40 hours per
week, in about four or five months. If we were to do "archival
quality" scans, while publishing the actual material at
"popular" resolution (figuring technology will eventually
allow us to publish them "right", so we might as well have the
scans on file), double the labor. It could be reduced to about
10 disks by scanning b/w proofs and having them colored on
the computer in something closer to regular comic book tones
(256 shades is a handy figure), but that would increase the
labor costs. I don't know how much, because I don't know how
fast a skilled colorist can work on a computer.
Labor, by the way, would depend on how carefully the
person doing the scans had to handle the material. If it were
done from comics that had to be handled with fingertips and
carefully placed on the scanner, double the time. If it were
done with recently-published albums that could be thrown away
after scanning, halve it -- maybe less -- in fact, the best way
to do it would probably be to slice the spines off and attach an
automatic page feeder to the scanner.
The complete Gottfredson is a little harder for me to
figure, since I haven't done newspaper strips yet, and since
formats vary so widely. I would say offhand, JUST as a guess,
that we could likely get about three years of dailies onto a
disk, and probably about the same for Sundays. That would put
his entire output between 1930 and 1960 in the neighborhood of
20 disks. Scanning time for that body of work would be (again,
I'm guessing) about the same as for Barks.
I haven't yet looked into costs of having disks reproduced,
once a master is made, but the mastering seems like the sort of
thing that could be afforded by a medium-size publisher. Retail
price would, of course, depend on how many sold copies these
set-up costs could be spread over, but I think the complete
Barks and the complete Gottfredson could turn out to be well
within the price range of the average member of this List -- in
fact, inexpensive enough to be worth publishing.
And once that's done, of course, we can start thinking
about the complete Murry, the complete Scarpa, the complete
Rosa, the complete Bucky Bug . . .
Quack, Don =
Eric Chun
Lo$ hardcover book
Message 158 -
1998-01-12 at 05:32:11
Dean wrote:
> Just wanted to say that I have not received my Lo$ hardcover book
> either! I called Gladstone and they said that since I ordered it
> directly from them it was going to take until at least February. They
> said the people who got it through comic book stores got them a good
> deal earlier. I would think that should work the other way around but
> what do I know. I also hope I have not been forgotten!
When I ordered my copy (by phone), they said that copies without a
sketch option would be mailed right away, and copies with a sketch op-
tion may take until February.
See ya.
Eric
> Just wanted to say that I have not received my Lo$ hardcover book
> either! I called Gladstone and they said that since I ordered it
> directly from them it was going to take until at least February. They
> said the people who got it through comic book stores got them a good
> deal earlier. I would think that should work the other way around but
> what do I know. I also hope I have not been forgotten!
When I ordered my copy (by phone), they said that copies without a
sketch option would be mailed right away, and copies with a sketch op-
tion may take until February.
See ya.
Eric
J A Lustig
Story Credits
Message 159 -
1998-01-12 at 06:51:10
Everybody:
Hi! Just for the sake of accuracy I thought I'd let everyone know that
Gladstone's Donald Duck #307 reprints a one-page gag ("Shaping Up") and a two-
page gag ("Seafood Blues") with the wrong credit lines.
As it stands now the credits read that William Van Horn wrote, drew, lettered
and colored both of these stories. The writing credits are wrong. "Shaping Up"
was written by both Van Horn AND myself. "Seafood Blues" was written solely by
me.
This isn't a big deal--after all these are just short gags--but they were
among the very first Disney comics I ever wrote and I wanted to set the record
straight.
--John Lustig
Hi! Just for the sake of accuracy I thought I'd let everyone know that
Gladstone's Donald Duck #307 reprints a one-page gag ("Shaping Up") and a two-
page gag ("Seafood Blues") with the wrong credit lines.
As it stands now the credits read that William Van Horn wrote, drew, lettered
and colored both of these stories. The writing credits are wrong. "Shaping Up"
was written by both Van Horn AND myself. "Seafood Blues" was written solely by
me.
This isn't a big deal--after all these are just short gags--but they were
among the very first Disney comics I ever wrote and I wanted to set the record
straight.
--John Lustig
Frank Fabian
Typos
Message 160 -
1998-01-12 at 08:21:28
Ettire asked:
> Can someone explain what the "typos" are?
>
> Ettore.
"Typos", for those not so versatile in American English and its mania for
snappy abbreviations, are typographical errors, e.g., when you write
"recieve" (wrong) instead of "receive" (correct).
Best regards, Frank
> Can someone explain what the "typos" are?
>
> Ettore.
"Typos", for those not so versatile in American English and its mania for
snappy abbreviations, are typographical errors, e.g., when you write
"recieve" (wrong) instead of "receive" (correct).
Best regards, Frank
Marco Barlotti
Paperinika
Message 161 -
1998-01-12 at 11:13:58
LUCA BOSCHI wrote (on Paperinika):
> (I can't scan a=20
>picture of her, I have no scan handy, maybe Marco Barlotti, uh?)
OK, I'll scan a picture, then what? The proper place to put it would be on
the WWW characters section at Uppsala, wouldn't it?
So I might send it to Per. Per, what do you think about this?
Marco
> (I can't scan a=20
>picture of her, I have no scan handy, maybe Marco Barlotti, uh?)
OK, I'll scan a picture, then what? The proper place to put it would be on
the WWW characters section at Uppsala, wouldn't it?
So I might send it to Per. Per, what do you think about this?
Marco
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #9
Message 162 -
1998-01-12 at 11:53:47
RICH:
Fethry's nephew is (as of fairly recently) named Dugan Duck in
English, at least internally here at Egmont. What else would you call a
young duck who's very literally anirrepressible "yellow kid"? Are we in
it? Hully gee!
I don't know why Dugan's colored differently in non-Brazilian
comics. Probably, I guess, to make him more like the other Ducks,
although that's not much of an excuse IMHO.
Regarding Fethry's own regional origin - the following is *NOT*
an official Egmont opinion or decision (especially as we don't use the
character ourselves in our own comics production), but as far as I can
figure out myself, Fethry is indeed English. You'll note that the
Gladstone translation of Cavazzano's Fethry story in WDG 5 maintains the
pattern (mentioning that he's visiting from overseas).
EVERYONE:
We've talked a lot about facsimile reprints of early WDC&S on
the list lately, and the possibility of same. Remember, before anyone
gets their hopes up, that a lot of the Gottfredson material in those
early issues is banned in the USA.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Fethry's nephew is (as of fairly recently) named Dugan Duck in
English, at least internally here at Egmont. What else would you call a
young duck who's very literally anirrepressible "yellow kid"? Are we in
it? Hully gee!
I don't know why Dugan's colored differently in non-Brazilian
comics. Probably, I guess, to make him more like the other Ducks,
although that's not much of an excuse IMHO.
Regarding Fethry's own regional origin - the following is *NOT*
an official Egmont opinion or decision (especially as we don't use the
character ourselves in our own comics production), but as far as I can
figure out myself, Fethry is indeed English. You'll note that the
Gladstone translation of Cavazzano's Fethry story in WDG 5 maintains the
pattern (mentioning that he's visiting from overseas).
EVERYONE:
We've talked a lot about facsimile reprints of early WDC&S on
the list lately, and the possibility of same. Remember, before anyone
gets their hopes up, that a lot of the Gottfredson material in those
early issues is banned in the USA.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Fluks, H.W.
Barks oils ftp file
Message 163 -
1998-01-12 at 19:49:44
DANIEL asked:
>Also, how can I find Barks' paintings in the database-ftp? Under which
>category should I look?
To my surprise, there is no file on Barks paintings at the moment. This
definitely is a programming error on my side! I'll fix it in the next
release.
In the mean time, there's a list of Barks' paintings with their Dutch
reprints at
http://home.pi.net/~fluks4/cbnlo.htm
--Harry.
><><><><
>Also, how can I find Barks' paintings in the database-ftp? Under which
>category should I look?
To my surprise, there is no file on Barks paintings at the moment. This
definitely is a programming error on my side! I'll fix it in the next
release.
In the mean time, there's a list of Barks' paintings with their Dutch
reprints at
http://home.pi.net/~fluks4/cbnlo.htm
--Harry.
><><><><
PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO,BARRETO
Heritage
Message 164 -
1998-01-12 at 20:34:30
Greetings, Ducklings...
KATIE:
>> a) Who are Scrooge's actual heirs, if any?
>At least in American comics, Huey, Dewey and Louie are usually implied,
although Donald is too, so I guess I really don't know the answer.
I'm not sure either, since HDL seem to be so unaware of the heritage
(unlike Donald).
>> d) Is there a Scrooge's will?
>Never been mentioned, but what a story that would make! (I wonder what
he'd leave to Goldie...)
I've tried that "what-if" in my text "Blood in Duckburg" (maybe David
Gerstein remembers about my comments some years ago). U$ secretly
makes a will leaving all his assets to Goldie. Rockerduck manages to
destroy the will, thus leaving DD as U$'s sole heir by default. U$
dies and Rockerduck tries to have DD killed in order to jeopardize the
Duck family business (H, D, L, Fethry and Gladstone would be left
fighting for the best share of U$'s fortune) and take over Duckburg in
association with Flintheart Glomgold... that's a long story. :-)
> At least in American comics and the Rosa family tree, Grandma duck is no
blood relation to Scrooge. She's Donald's father's mother. And as for
the food...recall "King of the Klondike" in Lo$... "Square meals are
for softies!"
Well... I'd rather believe U$ loves Grandma's food, as regularly shown
in S-codes. For one, I remember when Grandma starts a business
selling her wonderful apple pies, so she refuses to give away free
pies to U$. As a revenge, U$ manages to have the corner on the apple
market, leaving Grandma without means to make pies... of course U$
spent big bucks in buying all the apples available, so I think U$
thinks there's something special in Grandma's food beyond being free.
HARRY (in re S-code in which U$ decides to make Grandma his sole heir)
> Can you tell me the actual code of that story? It was reprinted in Holland
without code, and for years I have been wondering where the story
came from, and who wrote and drew it! Especially the art is wonderful
for the time it was published (early 70s).
Sorry. In the time my copy has been reprinted, Abril used to do it
without code. Now they're more careful about those "little details".
IMHO the story has nothing particularly special, as are most of
Grandma's Farm stories. The artist looks to be the same as most of
its contemporary S-codes (as in Donald/Fethry Reporters stories etc.)
CLAUS:
>> c) I've heard somewhere (correct me if I'm wrong): according to
> Brazilian law, legitimate and/or natural heirs can't be disinheirited
> Well, I'm not sure, but I think the law says here in Norway,
that you can't completely disinherit your family.
So the situation is similar. In U$'s case, we can speculate if a) U$
has natural heirs (if he dies, we know where the money goes, unless
there's a known will); b) U$ has appointed heirs by will (which can be
undone by himself at any time, thus making U$'s threats on Donald make
sense); c) everybody *think* Donald is U$'s heir (including Donald
himself) by nature and/or by will, even though U$ could have secretly
left everything to Goldie; d) IRS will finally get their fair share :-)
> Anyway I know I've read several stories with this kind of treat, but
lately it seems more like U$ has bean treating with collecting
old death rater than disinheriting
As the text has been subsequently corrected to "threating with
collecting old debt"... I recall American stories deal with the
debt-collecting threat more frequently than with heritage issues (as
well as any other death-related issues). In either cases, we feel
like Donald always *owes* U$ something (work, respect, rent money)
while U$ doesn't seem to respect anyone as long as he's swimming in
money... No one would wonder if U$ actually leaves his fortune to Goldie.
> Though I remember recently reading a new story (in the Norwegian weekly,
don't know by who or the title), where in one of the panels U$ drags a
reluctant DD while he (U$) is telling him (DD) that he has to to learn
how to run the fortune since HE (DD) is going to inherit U$'s money.
I also remember an Italian story where U$ puts his adult nephews to
the test by bestowing them investment money in equal parts. However,
none did qualify to run U$'s fortune...
DWIGHT:
> I don't know about US law, either, but wills can be and are
challenged by the disappointed relatives.
Maybe U$ leaving all to Goldie is not as outrageous or illogical as
the Howard Hughes case, but of course a lot of Ducks would do all they
could to get the best of U$'s heritage. Nevertheless, unlike real
life, there doesn't seem to be strong government regulations in
Duckburg (especially regarding U$)... In fact, as a reader, I can't
feel there's something like a national government ruling Duckburg
(there's no such a concept that Duckburg is in America).
RICH:
> A: Where does Fethry Duck live?
In the Brazilian sub-canon, certainly, Duckburg. In "Donald's Buzz'n
Cousin" he merely moves to Duckburg.
> It has come to my understanding that Fethry's nephew was a
product of a Brazilian "coloring contest" where fans were asked
to determine little Biquinho's feather colors.
Not only Biquinho's colors, but also his clothes had to be chosen by
contest. In his first B-coded appearances during the contest,
Biquinho was black and white all over. As the contest was local, I
think each publisher has the right to color Biquinho as they like it
(the lack of a U.S. standard makes it hard to determine "official" colors).
OTA:
Thanks for the info on Mickey availability! However, I've been
browsing Disney comics in a lot of newsstands and can't find Mickey
(only that pseudo-special issue packaging 4 regular issues).
[]s, P.C.Barreto (Email removed)
KATIE:
>> a) Who are Scrooge's actual heirs, if any?
>At least in American comics, Huey, Dewey and Louie are usually implied,
although Donald is too, so I guess I really don't know the answer.
I'm not sure either, since HDL seem to be so unaware of the heritage
(unlike Donald).
>> d) Is there a Scrooge's will?
>Never been mentioned, but what a story that would make! (I wonder what
he'd leave to Goldie...)
I've tried that "what-if" in my text "Blood in Duckburg" (maybe David
Gerstein remembers about my comments some years ago). U$ secretly
makes a will leaving all his assets to Goldie. Rockerduck manages to
destroy the will, thus leaving DD as U$'s sole heir by default. U$
dies and Rockerduck tries to have DD killed in order to jeopardize the
Duck family business (H, D, L, Fethry and Gladstone would be left
fighting for the best share of U$'s fortune) and take over Duckburg in
association with Flintheart Glomgold... that's a long story. :-)
> At least in American comics and the Rosa family tree, Grandma duck is no
blood relation to Scrooge. She's Donald's father's mother. And as for
the food...recall "King of the Klondike" in Lo$... "Square meals are
for softies!"
Well... I'd rather believe U$ loves Grandma's food, as regularly shown
in S-codes. For one, I remember when Grandma starts a business
selling her wonderful apple pies, so she refuses to give away free
pies to U$. As a revenge, U$ manages to have the corner on the apple
market, leaving Grandma without means to make pies... of course U$
spent big bucks in buying all the apples available, so I think U$
thinks there's something special in Grandma's food beyond being free.
HARRY (in re S-code in which U$ decides to make Grandma his sole heir)
> Can you tell me the actual code of that story? It was reprinted in Holland
without code, and for years I have been wondering where the story
came from, and who wrote and drew it! Especially the art is wonderful
for the time it was published (early 70s).
Sorry. In the time my copy has been reprinted, Abril used to do it
without code. Now they're more careful about those "little details".
IMHO the story has nothing particularly special, as are most of
Grandma's Farm stories. The artist looks to be the same as most of
its contemporary S-codes (as in Donald/Fethry Reporters stories etc.)
CLAUS:
>> c) I've heard somewhere (correct me if I'm wrong): according to
> Brazilian law, legitimate and/or natural heirs can't be disinheirited
> Well, I'm not sure, but I think the law says here in Norway,
that you can't completely disinherit your family.
So the situation is similar. In U$'s case, we can speculate if a) U$
has natural heirs (if he dies, we know where the money goes, unless
there's a known will); b) U$ has appointed heirs by will (which can be
undone by himself at any time, thus making U$'s threats on Donald make
sense); c) everybody *think* Donald is U$'s heir (including Donald
himself) by nature and/or by will, even though U$ could have secretly
left everything to Goldie; d) IRS will finally get their fair share :-)
> Anyway I know I've read several stories with this kind of treat, but
lately it seems more like U$ has bean treating with collecting
old death rater than disinheriting
As the text has been subsequently corrected to "threating with
collecting old debt"... I recall American stories deal with the
debt-collecting threat more frequently than with heritage issues (as
well as any other death-related issues). In either cases, we feel
like Donald always *owes* U$ something (work, respect, rent money)
while U$ doesn't seem to respect anyone as long as he's swimming in
money... No one would wonder if U$ actually leaves his fortune to Goldie.
> Though I remember recently reading a new story (in the Norwegian weekly,
don't know by who or the title), where in one of the panels U$ drags a
reluctant DD while he (U$) is telling him (DD) that he has to to learn
how to run the fortune since HE (DD) is going to inherit U$'s money.
I also remember an Italian story where U$ puts his adult nephews to
the test by bestowing them investment money in equal parts. However,
none did qualify to run U$'s fortune...
DWIGHT:
> I don't know about US law, either, but wills can be and are
challenged by the disappointed relatives.
Maybe U$ leaving all to Goldie is not as outrageous or illogical as
the Howard Hughes case, but of course a lot of Ducks would do all they
could to get the best of U$'s heritage. Nevertheless, unlike real
life, there doesn't seem to be strong government regulations in
Duckburg (especially regarding U$)... In fact, as a reader, I can't
feel there's something like a national government ruling Duckburg
(there's no such a concept that Duckburg is in America).
RICH:
> A: Where does Fethry Duck live?
In the Brazilian sub-canon, certainly, Duckburg. In "Donald's Buzz'n
Cousin" he merely moves to Duckburg.
> It has come to my understanding that Fethry's nephew was a
product of a Brazilian "coloring contest" where fans were asked
to determine little Biquinho's feather colors.
Not only Biquinho's colors, but also his clothes had to be chosen by
contest. In his first B-coded appearances during the contest,
Biquinho was black and white all over. As the contest was local, I
think each publisher has the right to color Biquinho as they like it
(the lack of a U.S. standard makes it hard to determine "official" colors).
OTA:
Thanks for the info on Mickey availability! However, I've been
browsing Disney comics in a lot of newsstands and can't find Mickey
(only that pseudo-special issue packaging 4 regular issues).
[]s, P.C.Barreto (Email removed)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Heritage and democracy
Message 165 -
1998-01-12 at 22:36:54
PAUL BARRETO to KATIE and ?:
** This message contains "Back to the Klondike" spoilers **
K> a) Who are Scrooge's actual heirs, if any?
?> At least in American comics, Huey, Dewey and Louie are usually implied,
?> although Donald is too, so I guess I really don't know the answer.
P> I'm not sure either, since HDL seem to be so unaware of the heritage
P> (unlike Donald).
In Barks' rainbow-tenpager (WDC 155) it's Huey, Dewey and Louie who'll
inherit Scrooge's fortune. In "Bongo on the Congo" however, Scrooge is
running after Donald "determined to make [him] the next tycoon of the
vast McDuck empire." So I guess there is no real answer, possibly because
that would simply ruin a nice subject for more stories on this matter. But
since it seems a trend in the last years to fill every 'open gap' in the
Duckburg-universe, one could simply say Scrooge himself still isn't sure
on who it will be. ;-)
BTW. IMO the nephews don't quite deserve their inheritance in the rainbow-
story. The kind old man could easily have been a crook, but maybe Scrooge
rewards the nephews for having a good nose for that?
K> d) Is there a Scrooge's will?
?> Never been mentioned, but what a story that would make! (I wonder what
?> he'd leave to Goldie...)
I guess Goldie has about the same age as Scrooge, so wouldn't it be unwise
to leave it to her? Besides that, Goldie is no relative (which also means
the money will go out of the Duck-family) and though the hidden love can
clearly be seen in "Back to the Klondike", I would be surprised if Scrooge
will be led purely by his emotions on this descision. In fact, what does
he know about her? Did she really change to a purely good person over all
the years? "Back to the Klondike" doesn't really give an answer (though
readers can of course hope it's the case). Besides that, isn't the treasure
some kind of inheritance-gift to Goldie? This could be Scrooge's way to
make sure she'll get a better life-standard than is the case in this story.
Now that I think of it, could "Back to the Klondike" be the one and only
occassion in which Scrooge gives away something out of *goodness* (even
though he tries not to show it)? The Cornelius Coot statue and the
steamboat shovel in other Barks-stories were not such gifts, because
it's done out of self-promotion.
P> b) U$ has appointed heirs by will (which can be undone by himself at any
P> time, thus making U$'s threats on Donald make sense);
For what it's worth, as a reader I've always thought this is the case.
P> No one would wonder if U$ actually leaves his fortune to Goldie.
*I* would! But maybe that's the same to you? ;-)
P> Though I remember recently reading a new story (in the Norwegian weekly,
P> don't know by who or the title), where in one of the panels U$ drags a
P> reluctant DD while he (U$) is telling him (DD) that he has to to learn
P> how to run the fortune since HE (DD) is going to inherit U$'s money.
Could this be the "Bongo on the Congo" story (U$ 33)?
P> I also remember an Italian story where U$ puts his adult nephews to
P> the test by bestowing them investment money in equal parts. However,
P> none did qualify to run U$'s fortune...
Could this be Don Rosa's "Nobody's Business" story?
This story now really has a deeper meaning, concerning Gladstone's recent
situation! But... if the story takes place in 1954, wouldn't a comic-
book business be rather *profitable* concerning the popularity at that
time? (An answer could of course be that Duckburg really *is* ahead of
its time.)
P> Nevertheless, unlike real life, there doesn't seem to be strong
P> government regulations in Duckburg (especially regarding U$)... In
P> fact, as a reader, I can't feel there's something like a national
P> government ruling Duckburg (there's no such a concept that Duckburg is
P> in America).
Maybe in a way of speaking, Duckburg is a world on its own? There must
be democracy, because in U$ 8 joins a voting as candidate for "city
treasurer". In the smoke-writer story (WDC 194) Scrooge seems to join a
more important election, because the audience asks him questions like what
his stand on smog is, while Scrooge carries a board saying "down with
taxes" and promises that if he gets elected he'll banish smog, be good
to taxpayers and kind to little children.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
"That old miser! I hope he gets hay fever from the moss on his money!"
Donald Duck, WDC 104
** This message contains "Back to the Klondike" spoilers **
K> a) Who are Scrooge's actual heirs, if any?
?> At least in American comics, Huey, Dewey and Louie are usually implied,
?> although Donald is too, so I guess I really don't know the answer.
P> I'm not sure either, since HDL seem to be so unaware of the heritage
P> (unlike Donald).
In Barks' rainbow-tenpager (WDC 155) it's Huey, Dewey and Louie who'll
inherit Scrooge's fortune. In "Bongo on the Congo" however, Scrooge is
running after Donald "determined to make [him] the next tycoon of the
vast McDuck empire." So I guess there is no real answer, possibly because
that would simply ruin a nice subject for more stories on this matter. But
since it seems a trend in the last years to fill every 'open gap' in the
Duckburg-universe, one could simply say Scrooge himself still isn't sure
on who it will be. ;-)
BTW. IMO the nephews don't quite deserve their inheritance in the rainbow-
story. The kind old man could easily have been a crook, but maybe Scrooge
rewards the nephews for having a good nose for that?
K> d) Is there a Scrooge's will?
?> Never been mentioned, but what a story that would make! (I wonder what
?> he'd leave to Goldie...)
I guess Goldie has about the same age as Scrooge, so wouldn't it be unwise
to leave it to her? Besides that, Goldie is no relative (which also means
the money will go out of the Duck-family) and though the hidden love can
clearly be seen in "Back to the Klondike", I would be surprised if Scrooge
will be led purely by his emotions on this descision. In fact, what does
he know about her? Did she really change to a purely good person over all
the years? "Back to the Klondike" doesn't really give an answer (though
readers can of course hope it's the case). Besides that, isn't the treasure
some kind of inheritance-gift to Goldie? This could be Scrooge's way to
make sure she'll get a better life-standard than is the case in this story.
Now that I think of it, could "Back to the Klondike" be the one and only
occassion in which Scrooge gives away something out of *goodness* (even
though he tries not to show it)? The Cornelius Coot statue and the
steamboat shovel in other Barks-stories were not such gifts, because
it's done out of self-promotion.
P> b) U$ has appointed heirs by will (which can be undone by himself at any
P> time, thus making U$'s threats on Donald make sense);
For what it's worth, as a reader I've always thought this is the case.
P> No one would wonder if U$ actually leaves his fortune to Goldie.
*I* would! But maybe that's the same to you? ;-)
P> Though I remember recently reading a new story (in the Norwegian weekly,
P> don't know by who or the title), where in one of the panels U$ drags a
P> reluctant DD while he (U$) is telling him (DD) that he has to to learn
P> how to run the fortune since HE (DD) is going to inherit U$'s money.
Could this be the "Bongo on the Congo" story (U$ 33)?
P> I also remember an Italian story where U$ puts his adult nephews to
P> the test by bestowing them investment money in equal parts. However,
P> none did qualify to run U$'s fortune...
Could this be Don Rosa's "Nobody's Business" story?
This story now really has a deeper meaning, concerning Gladstone's recent
situation! But... if the story takes place in 1954, wouldn't a comic-
book business be rather *profitable* concerning the popularity at that
time? (An answer could of course be that Duckburg really *is* ahead of
its time.)
P> Nevertheless, unlike real life, there doesn't seem to be strong
P> government regulations in Duckburg (especially regarding U$)... In
P> fact, as a reader, I can't feel there's something like a national
P> government ruling Duckburg (there's no such a concept that Duckburg is
P> in America).
Maybe in a way of speaking, Duckburg is a world on its own? There must
be democracy, because in U$ 8 joins a voting as candidate for "city
treasurer". In the smoke-writer story (WDC 194) Scrooge seems to join a
more important election, because the audience asks him questions like what
his stand on smog is, while Scrooge carries a board saying "down with
taxes" and promises that if he gets elected he'll banish smog, be good
to taxpayers and kind to little children.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
"That old miser! I hope he gets hay fever from the moss on his money!"
Donald Duck, WDC 104