G. BLUM:
> I've even heard stories of William Van Horn being sent back to his
> drawing board with a model sheet.
ARCHONTIS:
> And is Blum's grapevine information on William Van Horn's
returned artwork true?
Nope, it certainly isn't!!
Blum has probably missunderstod something that happened about 10 years ago.
This quote will hopefully make things clear:
"[...]Two events did occur during 1988 that probably put that idea in
Geoff's head. One, I did a four page ducktales piece with Gary Leach
(Flights of Fancy) with my first use of Launchpad. Pencils were submitted
as usual and nobody at Disney had any complaints. Then, after the inks were
done someone at Disney decided that all of my heads on Launchpad were of
model. Someone made corrections, again I do not know who, and overlayed
inks were done for those heads. No one gave me a chance to fix my own
pages. I suspect that somebody at Gladstone did the actual inked overlays."
"The second event was when Gladstone asked me (in late 1988) to do the lead
ducktales story on a regular basis. I was not familiar with the characters
used on the TV series so I asked for some model sheets. Disney supplied a
complete set. Must be a pile about an inch high! That was the only time I
ever got any model sheets, and *I asked for them!*[...]"
Best Wishes
Per-Erik
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Per-Erik Malmström
Blum about WVH...
Message 406 -
1998-01-24 at 17:12:28
Augie De Blieck Jr.
DuckTales!
Message 407 -
1998-01-24 at 20:13:13
MATT:
> unfortunately, the second season really hit rock bottom for me, as I
> found both bubba and "gizmoduck" to be rather one dimensional gimmick
> characters (and "Ma" Crackshell...<<shudder!>>).
I have to admit to something of a fondness for Bubba, but he and Gizmoduck were
completely unnecessary. There's no reason. They can't possibly say they ran
out of story ideas for $crooge or the nephews or Launchpad.
> The animation also
> took a nosedive, as i understand a new director liked to use really
> ultra-outrageous facial expressions and other weird techniques that took
> away from the show's classic look and feel.
Absolutely. This is my major complaint with the second season. They went from
animation in the first season to cartooning in the second season. It just
looked so out of place, especially in comparison to the awe-inspiring TMS
(Japanese animation studios) episodes of the first season.
> i think the original 5 episodes especially are very well done. I dont
Yes. They really shined. I believe TMS (Tokyo Movie Shinsha) did the
animation on these, and it shows. They're responsible for the best animation
on TV today. The use in particular of colors in the 5th episode really floored
me. (To quote Tiny Toons: "Secret of good quality animation: Lotsa shadows."
> have any on tape though!!! I tried a few months ago when they were
> running the show during saturday mornings, but didnt get many. :((
Yeah, they only aired for a handful of weeks.
> I havent seen "Quack Pack" yet, but it doesnt sound like something I'd
> wanna touch, esp. after having gotten into duck fandom... exactly how
> bad is it? anyone?? :)
I couldn't sit through a full episode. It's just that bad.
> p.s. was anyone else as extremely disappointed by the DT movie as I was?
I wasn't extremely disappointed, but it seemed like they didn't take advantage
of the format as well as they could have, and the story really dragged in spots
and pandered to the kiddies. Their biggest stunt was the use of the
multi-place camera on the money bin in the end, at which point I just really
ceased to care all that much. They should have adopted a Barks story for the
movie.
-Augie
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> unfortunately, the second season really hit rock bottom for me, as I
> found both bubba and "gizmoduck" to be rather one dimensional gimmick
> characters (and "Ma" Crackshell...<<shudder!>>).
I have to admit to something of a fondness for Bubba, but he and Gizmoduck were
completely unnecessary. There's no reason. They can't possibly say they ran
out of story ideas for $crooge or the nephews or Launchpad.
> The animation also
> took a nosedive, as i understand a new director liked to use really
> ultra-outrageous facial expressions and other weird techniques that took
> away from the show's classic look and feel.
Absolutely. This is my major complaint with the second season. They went from
animation in the first season to cartooning in the second season. It just
looked so out of place, especially in comparison to the awe-inspiring TMS
(Japanese animation studios) episodes of the first season.
> i think the original 5 episodes especially are very well done. I dont
Yes. They really shined. I believe TMS (Tokyo Movie Shinsha) did the
animation on these, and it shows. They're responsible for the best animation
on TV today. The use in particular of colors in the 5th episode really floored
me. (To quote Tiny Toons: "Secret of good quality animation: Lotsa shadows."
> have any on tape though!!! I tried a few months ago when they were
> running the show during saturday mornings, but didnt get many. :((
Yeah, they only aired for a handful of weeks.
> I havent seen "Quack Pack" yet, but it doesnt sound like something I'd
> wanna touch, esp. after having gotten into duck fandom... exactly how
> bad is it? anyone?? :)
I couldn't sit through a full episode. It's just that bad.
> p.s. was anyone else as extremely disappointed by the DT movie as I was?
I wasn't extremely disappointed, but it seemed like they didn't take advantage
of the format as well as they could have, and the story really dragged in spots
and pandered to the kiddies. Their biggest stunt was the use of the
multi-place camera on the money bin in the end, at which point I just really
ceased to care all that much. They should have adopted a Barks story for the
movie.
-Augie
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Francois Willot
Brazilian stories and super Pete
Message 408 -
1998-01-24 at 23:16:33
Luna Storta:
>Paperinik (Super Duck) is one of my preferred characters, at least in
>his first appearances, drawn by G. B. Carpi or Massimo de Vita, but
>when I read some of those b-coded stories featuring Paperinik,
>Paperinika or even Paper Bat (Super Fethry) I really feel sick! They
>are the worst thing I ever read, I preferr to read 100 times Perego's
>worst story instead of 1 time this super league stories!! :-(
I admit that these stories are not very good, but the Brazilian ones
with Super Fethry and Chief O'Hara for example are enjoyable. The
dialogues between Peninha and his fiancee too ("Ravigotte" here) are
most of the time extremely *funny*!
Rich:
>Are there any members of the List who are familiar with
>the magazine "Le Journal de Mickey" who may have seen
>or read stories featuring Pete, a.k.a. Black Pete, a.k.a.
>Peg-Leg Pete, etc. ("Pat Hibulaire" in French), where
>he is desguised as a Super Hero(?). I fear he might
>more likely have been a Super Villian, but I don't know.
>If you have, can you tell me anything about this character?
I only know *one* story with that character. The cover of issue # 1872
by Patrice Croci from 1988 shows a "super Pete" (Pete disguised as a
superhero), and Super Goof in the background suspiciously looking at
him. This is an illustration of a 3-pages story introducing "Super
Patibluax" who is in fact Super Pete. The story is "Pat et Lafouine --
Patibulax le terrible"; Lafouine is Scuttle, the character (villain who
helps Pete) created by Paul Murry. The story code is F JM 88217, it was
drawn by Ferioli and was written by Drai.
Pete found in "Super debile" (a magazine that Lafouine was reading), an
advertissement explaining how to become a superhero. He sent some money
to them and after a few days, he received superhero clothes and became
Super Pete. But he didn't know very well how to fly, and after various
problems with Super Goof, he finally landed in a zoo between several
lions. This is the only appearance of Super Pete I know of!
Francois
>Paperinik (Super Duck) is one of my preferred characters, at least in
>his first appearances, drawn by G. B. Carpi or Massimo de Vita, but
>when I read some of those b-coded stories featuring Paperinik,
>Paperinika or even Paper Bat (Super Fethry) I really feel sick! They
>are the worst thing I ever read, I preferr to read 100 times Perego's
>worst story instead of 1 time this super league stories!! :-(
I admit that these stories are not very good, but the Brazilian ones
with Super Fethry and Chief O'Hara for example are enjoyable. The
dialogues between Peninha and his fiancee too ("Ravigotte" here) are
most of the time extremely *funny*!
Rich:
>Are there any members of the List who are familiar with
>the magazine "Le Journal de Mickey" who may have seen
>or read stories featuring Pete, a.k.a. Black Pete, a.k.a.
>Peg-Leg Pete, etc. ("Pat Hibulaire" in French), where
>he is desguised as a Super Hero(?). I fear he might
>more likely have been a Super Villian, but I don't know.
>If you have, can you tell me anything about this character?
I only know *one* story with that character. The cover of issue # 1872
by Patrice Croci from 1988 shows a "super Pete" (Pete disguised as a
superhero), and Super Goof in the background suspiciously looking at
him. This is an illustration of a 3-pages story introducing "Super
Patibluax" who is in fact Super Pete. The story is "Pat et Lafouine --
Patibulax le terrible"; Lafouine is Scuttle, the character (villain who
helps Pete) created by Paul Murry. The story code is F JM 88217, it was
drawn by Ferioli and was written by Drai.
Pete found in "Super debile" (a magazine that Lafouine was reading), an
advertissement explaining how to become a superhero. He sent some money
to them and after a few days, he received superhero clothes and became
Super Pete. But he didn't know very well how to fly, and after various
problems with Super Goof, he finally landed in a zoo between several
lions. This is the only appearance of Super Pete I know of!
Francois
Stefan Diös
Recent Digests (Translating)
Message 409 -
1998-01-25 at 04:05:58
DON MARKSTEIN (Digest #28)
> Should any of MY stories ever cross your desk, please be
> assured that you can keep my "tone and spirit intact" by wording
> it the best way you know how, in Swedish. In any transferal from
> one language to another, something is bound to be "lost in
> translation". I will appreciate anything you can do to add stuff
> back in, and make it the best story it can possibly be. Thanks
> for everything you do to make me look good.
Thanks for your confidence in me... I enjoyed your "The New Look", scheduled
for Egmont Weekly #8, especially the legal lawyer lingo. What else have you
done in recent years? I'll remember most of the stories, I'm sure, but I
can't always immediately connect them to the writers in my mind...
ETA BETA (Digest #30)
> The general point to me was that Don's stories are not always treated with
the care they deserve, in Italy, although with a lot of enthusiasm.
Well, enthusiasm is what got *me* started, but it's not always enough... I
could understand your "comic book" example. That mistake is so embarrassing,
it's really funny!
>In fact, to be really honest, and call me malicious if you want, I can't
help thinking that the Italian translator actually didn't recognize the
Groucho's gag, in the first place...
Might be so. And maybe we can't expect everybody to know that song, either.
Sometimes I wonder how much is lost because I don't recognize something.
When I first read Don's explanatory comments on Lo$, some years after I
translated the stories, I realized how many old movies I never saw. I guess
I'd had to leave out most of the obscure film dialogue even if I had
identified it, but at least I want to know what I'm missing. That way, I can
always claim afterwards that I made my mistakes on purpose!
To get back to "Lydia", after thinking about again, I guess there *is* a
distinct chance that I had used some Swedish version of the Groucho Marx
song (or made one up), if only the names had been the same. But I can't be
sure, and as it were, I'm happy with my solution. I'm sure I have done much
worse on other occasions.
I also have to admit that I actually translated some 5000 pages of Italian
comics in the 80's, mostly before I got started on the weekly magazine. I
did that because that was what the editors needed, and they didn't seem to
care I had no education or experience whatsoever of the Italian language.
I'd had Latin and French in high school and had vacationed in Italy a few
weeks... that was all. So I got a dictionary and started out, at first aided
by a Danish translation. I guess that's when I learned how to conform to
tradition rather than to translate literally - I really had no other choice,
even though I certainly learned some Italian while working and soon could do
without the Danish text. Anyway, the editors were pleased, and I learned to
get by well enough not to be too ashamed myself. I often saw historical or
literary references, and tried to do research when needed. After a while, I
could even recognize some Italian puns! But then, of course, I never know
how much I missed. I bet that if Don Rosa were Italian, I'd have messed up
his stories a lot more than I do now!
>Well, your whole posting was very interesting to me. I'd like to expand on
some other topics you touched, but maybe another time.
Please do! Maybe I, too, will return another time...
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #32
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> Should any of MY stories ever cross your desk, please be
> assured that you can keep my "tone and spirit intact" by wording
> it the best way you know how, in Swedish. In any transferal from
> one language to another, something is bound to be "lost in
> translation". I will appreciate anything you can do to add stuff
> back in, and make it the best story it can possibly be. Thanks
> for everything you do to make me look good.
Thanks for your confidence in me... I enjoyed your "The New Look", scheduled
for Egmont Weekly #8, especially the legal lawyer lingo. What else have you
done in recent years? I'll remember most of the stories, I'm sure, but I
can't always immediately connect them to the writers in my mind...
ETA BETA (Digest #30)
> The general point to me was that Don's stories are not always treated with
the care they deserve, in Italy, although with a lot of enthusiasm.
Well, enthusiasm is what got *me* started, but it's not always enough... I
could understand your "comic book" example. That mistake is so embarrassing,
it's really funny!
>In fact, to be really honest, and call me malicious if you want, I can't
help thinking that the Italian translator actually didn't recognize the
Groucho's gag, in the first place...
Might be so. And maybe we can't expect everybody to know that song, either.
Sometimes I wonder how much is lost because I don't recognize something.
When I first read Don's explanatory comments on Lo$, some years after I
translated the stories, I realized how many old movies I never saw. I guess
I'd had to leave out most of the obscure film dialogue even if I had
identified it, but at least I want to know what I'm missing. That way, I can
always claim afterwards that I made my mistakes on purpose!
To get back to "Lydia", after thinking about again, I guess there *is* a
distinct chance that I had used some Swedish version of the Groucho Marx
song (or made one up), if only the names had been the same. But I can't be
sure, and as it were, I'm happy with my solution. I'm sure I have done much
worse on other occasions.
I also have to admit that I actually translated some 5000 pages of Italian
comics in the 80's, mostly before I got started on the weekly magazine. I
did that because that was what the editors needed, and they didn't seem to
care I had no education or experience whatsoever of the Italian language.
I'd had Latin and French in high school and had vacationed in Italy a few
weeks... that was all. So I got a dictionary and started out, at first aided
by a Danish translation. I guess that's when I learned how to conform to
tradition rather than to translate literally - I really had no other choice,
even though I certainly learned some Italian while working and soon could do
without the Danish text. Anyway, the editors were pleased, and I learned to
get by well enough not to be too ashamed myself. I often saw historical or
literary references, and tried to do research when needed. After a while, I
could even recognize some Italian puns! But then, of course, I never know
how much I missed. I bet that if Don Rosa were Italian, I'd have messed up
his stories a lot more than I do now!
>Well, your whole posting was very interesting to me. I'd like to expand on
some other topics you touched, but maybe another time.
Please do! Maybe I, too, will return another time...
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #32
*****************************************
Cebarat
Digest V98 #30-31
Message 410 -
1998-01-25 at 04:57:06
RICH PEGASUS re Glittering Goldie:
<<Perhaps given that many of us are quite familiar with DUCKTALES, and
the fact that she appears in at least three episodes ("Back to the
Klondike", Nov. 28, 1987; "Scroogerello", Nov. 24, 1987; and "'Til
Nephews Do Us Part", Jan. 1, 1988), though I seem to remember a
fourth, she became more than a "one-shot" character, and Don Rosa
had nothing to do with that (I believe). So it would seem, Disney
itself planned for Goldie to be his recurring love interest, which,
according to G. Blum's own words in Lo$, Don was following up on
when Disney dropped the ball after DuckTales.>>
The fourth episode in which Goldie appeared was "Ducky Mountain High".
That was the one in which Goldie played Scrooge off against Flintheart
in order to acquire a gold deposit on McDuck's land. When
Scrooge finally gets wise, she cools off his wrath by saying that she
"learned from the master" -- Scrooge. Evidently, this compliment fell
more under the heading of being "smarter than the smarties" than "making
it square"!
Disney itself may not have had any plans for Goldie, but the DUCKTALES
writers definitely jumped on the notion of Goldie as an occasional far-off
love interest for Scrooge.
KATIE SULLIVAN:
<<I re-watched the DuckTales episode with Millionera Vanderbucks. I know
the HooZoo page and others have conjectured that "Millie" and Brigitta
are the "same" character. I don't see that, at all! I mean, sure I
prefer Goldie to Brigitta, but Millionera was evil! Brigitta is a
suck-up, but not evil! (Again, speaking with my limited knowlege of the
character Brigitta.)>>
I too have been exposed to Brigitta on only a few occasions, but I agree
with this assessment. The worst that B. can be accused of appears to be
pestering Scrooge when he wants to be left alone. Millionaira wants to
get hold of the McDuck fortune, period, and has no real interest in Scrooge
at all! When she's asked "Will you take this duck..." etc., her eyes
light up in $'s and she shouts, "Yes, I'll take him for everything he
has!" Doesn't sound like "the same character as Brigitta" to me.
<<Speaking of dear ol' Flintheart [on DUCKTALES]...
I have heard that the decision to erase his South African nationality
was for political reasons. I can understand Disney's desire to avoid
controversy. But, actually, Flinty is a Boer. Boers are a group of
people from the Netherlands who settled South Africa, if I remember my
history lessons correctly. So why couldn't DuckTales have emphasized
his Dutch ancestry instead? Why make him a clone of Scrooge with the
same accent and that ridiculous kilt?>>
Actually, I think the decision to make Flintheart explicitly Scottish
was an extremely clever one. At one stroke, it solved the problem of
Flinty's South African roots and, as Joe Torcivia put it, "established
Glomgold as a sort of Anti-Scrooge." Making him Dutch would have totally
puzzled the audience, necessitated a long explanation, and brought up the
whole South African question once again.
My own interpretation of "why the DT Glomgold is living in Duckburg" was
that Glomgold moved to Duckburg from S.A. in order to (1) get away from
all the political controversy of the time (bad for business, you know)
and (2) keep closer tabs on Scrooge. The donning of such Scottish
accoutrements as a kilt and tam o shanter might have been Flinty's way of
distinguishing himself more clearly from Scrooge as "the more authentic
Scot" (playing on the cheapness stereotype!).
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
<<Perhaps given that many of us are quite familiar with DUCKTALES, and
the fact that she appears in at least three episodes ("Back to the
Klondike", Nov. 28, 1987; "Scroogerello", Nov. 24, 1987; and "'Til
Nephews Do Us Part", Jan. 1, 1988), though I seem to remember a
fourth, she became more than a "one-shot" character, and Don Rosa
had nothing to do with that (I believe). So it would seem, Disney
itself planned for Goldie to be his recurring love interest, which,
according to G. Blum's own words in Lo$, Don was following up on
when Disney dropped the ball after DuckTales.>>
The fourth episode in which Goldie appeared was "Ducky Mountain High".
That was the one in which Goldie played Scrooge off against Flintheart
in order to acquire a gold deposit on McDuck's land. When
Scrooge finally gets wise, she cools off his wrath by saying that she
"learned from the master" -- Scrooge. Evidently, this compliment fell
more under the heading of being "smarter than the smarties" than "making
it square"!
Disney itself may not have had any plans for Goldie, but the DUCKTALES
writers definitely jumped on the notion of Goldie as an occasional far-off
love interest for Scrooge.
KATIE SULLIVAN:
<<I re-watched the DuckTales episode with Millionera Vanderbucks. I know
the HooZoo page and others have conjectured that "Millie" and Brigitta
are the "same" character. I don't see that, at all! I mean, sure I
prefer Goldie to Brigitta, but Millionera was evil! Brigitta is a
suck-up, but not evil! (Again, speaking with my limited knowlege of the
character Brigitta.)>>
I too have been exposed to Brigitta on only a few occasions, but I agree
with this assessment. The worst that B. can be accused of appears to be
pestering Scrooge when he wants to be left alone. Millionaira wants to
get hold of the McDuck fortune, period, and has no real interest in Scrooge
at all! When she's asked "Will you take this duck..." etc., her eyes
light up in $'s and she shouts, "Yes, I'll take him for everything he
has!" Doesn't sound like "the same character as Brigitta" to me.
<<Speaking of dear ol' Flintheart [on DUCKTALES]...
I have heard that the decision to erase his South African nationality
was for political reasons. I can understand Disney's desire to avoid
controversy. But, actually, Flinty is a Boer. Boers are a group of
people from the Netherlands who settled South Africa, if I remember my
history lessons correctly. So why couldn't DuckTales have emphasized
his Dutch ancestry instead? Why make him a clone of Scrooge with the
same accent and that ridiculous kilt?>>
Actually, I think the decision to make Flintheart explicitly Scottish
was an extremely clever one. At one stroke, it solved the problem of
Flinty's South African roots and, as Joe Torcivia put it, "established
Glomgold as a sort of Anti-Scrooge." Making him Dutch would have totally
puzzled the audience, necessitated a long explanation, and brought up the
whole South African question once again.
My own interpretation of "why the DT Glomgold is living in Duckburg" was
that Glomgold moved to Duckburg from S.A. in order to (1) get away from
all the political controversy of the time (bad for business, you know)
and (2) keep closer tabs on Scrooge. The donning of such Scottish
accoutrements as a kilt and tam o shanter might have been Flinty's way of
distinguishing himself more clearly from Scrooge as "the more authentic
Scot" (playing on the cheapness stereotype!).
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
Katie Sullivan
DuckTales and Darkwing Duck
Message 411 -
1998-01-25 at 06:09:55
> MATT:
> was anyone else as extremely disappointed by the DT movie as I was?
I don't know about "extremely" disappointed, but it defintiely could
have been better. How much mileage is Disney going to get out of the
genie in the lamp storyline? There was a regular episode about it with
Flintheart, then the movie, then all the Aladdin stuff... I also
thought it was geared a bit too much toward little kids, but then I
guess that makes sense economically. Still, I thought the plot was a
*bit* tired. Dijon was funny, though!
Re: the first 5 episodes:
Are you referring to the Treasure of the Golden Suns series? I think
they were the first episodes aired. They were very, very good, I
thought. Plus, one epside featured a llama, if I'm not mistaken, and
that's my favorite animal! Plus, El Capitan, the wheezy-voiced villain,
was voices by Jim Cummings, a fantastic animation voice artist who also
did the voices for Don Karnage on Tale Spin and Darkwing Duck.
Speaking of Darkwing Duck,
Rich B and all other DW fans...
I have a webpage about it at http://www.home.onestop.net/duchess
More of my own art!
REVISED LIST:
Here's a partial list of all the people who are possible romantic
companions of $crooge:
> 1. Glittering Goldie O'Gilt (!!!!!!!!!!)
> 2. Brigitta MacBridge
> 3. Millionera Vanderbucks :-( (Let's hope not!)
> 4. Grandma Duck (Probably not!!!)
> 5. Isabelle/Daisy in "Mickey's Christmas Carol" (Probably not!!!!)
> 6. Miss Quackfaster (Also probably not!!!)
> 7. Belle Duck (?)
> 8. Money Quack (?)
> 9. [Insert your own picks here] (????????????)
Belle and "Money" remain a mystery, at least to me. Any more info,
scans, etc?
:-)
Katie Sullivan
(Email removed)
> was anyone else as extremely disappointed by the DT movie as I was?
I don't know about "extremely" disappointed, but it defintiely could
have been better. How much mileage is Disney going to get out of the
genie in the lamp storyline? There was a regular episode about it with
Flintheart, then the movie, then all the Aladdin stuff... I also
thought it was geared a bit too much toward little kids, but then I
guess that makes sense economically. Still, I thought the plot was a
*bit* tired. Dijon was funny, though!
Re: the first 5 episodes:
Are you referring to the Treasure of the Golden Suns series? I think
they were the first episodes aired. They were very, very good, I
thought. Plus, one epside featured a llama, if I'm not mistaken, and
that's my favorite animal! Plus, El Capitan, the wheezy-voiced villain,
was voices by Jim Cummings, a fantastic animation voice artist who also
did the voices for Don Karnage on Tale Spin and Darkwing Duck.
Speaking of Darkwing Duck,
Rich B and all other DW fans...
I have a webpage about it at http://www.home.onestop.net/duchess
More of my own art!
REVISED LIST:
Here's a partial list of all the people who are possible romantic
companions of $crooge:
> 1. Glittering Goldie O'Gilt (!!!!!!!!!!)
> 2. Brigitta MacBridge
> 3. Millionera Vanderbucks :-( (Let's hope not!)
> 4. Grandma Duck (Probably not!!!)
> 5. Isabelle/Daisy in "Mickey's Christmas Carol" (Probably not!!!!)
> 6. Miss Quackfaster (Also probably not!!!)
> 7. Belle Duck (?)
> 8. Money Quack (?)
> 9. [Insert your own picks here] (????????????)
Belle and "Money" remain a mystery, at least to me. Any more info,
scans, etc?
:-)
Katie Sullivan
(Email removed)
Shaun M. Knowler
Disney comics Digest V98 #32
Message 412 -
1998-01-25 at 10:41:04
Sorry folks, my message is kinda off topic...
MATT:
> I havent seen "Quack Pack" yet, but it doesnt sound like something I'd
> wanna touch, esp. after having gotten into duck fandom... exactly how
> bad is it? anyone?? :)
Personally, I like it. I like Ducks in ALL forms and media. I think the
really important thing to realize about the QP series, is that one should
not think of the comics in ANY aspect. QP is based on the DD cartoon
shorts, and should be seen in the same light. DuckTales was based on the
comics, obviously, so that may be causing some confusion where the Donald
and $crooge series are involved.
However, the hardest thing to get over in the series is the teenaged HD&L,
who really get annoying fast.
-Shaun
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
MATT:
> I havent seen "Quack Pack" yet, but it doesnt sound like something I'd
> wanna touch, esp. after having gotten into duck fandom... exactly how
> bad is it? anyone?? :)
Personally, I like it. I like Ducks in ALL forms and media. I think the
really important thing to realize about the QP series, is that one should
not think of the comics in ANY aspect. QP is based on the DD cartoon
shorts, and should be seen in the same light. DuckTales was based on the
comics, obviously, so that may be causing some confusion where the Donald
and $crooge series are involved.
However, the hardest thing to get over in the series is the teenaged HD&L,
who really get annoying fast.
-Shaun
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
Mikko Pohjola
Disney comics Digest V98 #32
Message 413 -
1998-01-25 at 13:26:41
STEFAN:
In the Finnish translation of "The Treasure of Croesus" the
Craugho Marx song was simply translated into Finnish. It felt rather
strange even though I did know about the original version. However, I
think it was the least bad solution for the problem.
!!! PUN SPOILER for Lo$ #2 !!!
In Lo$ #2 ("The Master of Mississippi") there's that Mark Twain
pun where Scrooge is measuring the depth of the water saying: "Mark
three... Half twain... Mark twain..." Where upon that Gearloose fellow
comes and says: "Where is he? I want to have his autograph!" (I don't know
the exact quotes since I got that one from the German translation!) In the
Finnish version the imho easily understandable Mississippi jargon was left
out and replaced with Scrooge singing a made-up song that would end with
"taskustain puuttuu ain markat vain" (="from my pocket marks are ever
missing"). Markat vain -> Mark Twain. I can't figure out their reasoning
sometimes.
RICH and KATIE:
> there is at least one country in Europe (Holland?) which actually
> *banned* Donald for a while for that very reason!
Well... <cough> Eh... 'twas Finland. Alright? It was Finland!
Actually, Donald wasn't really banned. In the town of Kemi (a
rather mediocre-sized town in Northern Finland) there were Aku Ankkas (the
Finnish Donald Duck weekly) in the waiting room of the health care center,
as there are Aku Ankkas in most waiting rooms. In the 1970's some citizens
complained about this since because Aku Ankka is not married to Daisy and
wears no pants, he can't be a good example for the children. I think the
town board actually banned Aku Ankkas from all the town's public areas
(doctors' waiting rooms, hospitals, schools). A while later the decision
was, of course, overruled.
Interestingly enough, nowadays Kemi is the host of the most
important comic convention in Finland, the Kemi Comics Festival...
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
In the Finnish translation of "The Treasure of Croesus" the
Craugho Marx song was simply translated into Finnish. It felt rather
strange even though I did know about the original version. However, I
think it was the least bad solution for the problem.
!!! PUN SPOILER for Lo$ #2 !!!
In Lo$ #2 ("The Master of Mississippi") there's that Mark Twain
pun where Scrooge is measuring the depth of the water saying: "Mark
three... Half twain... Mark twain..." Where upon that Gearloose fellow
comes and says: "Where is he? I want to have his autograph!" (I don't know
the exact quotes since I got that one from the German translation!) In the
Finnish version the imho easily understandable Mississippi jargon was left
out and replaced with Scrooge singing a made-up song that would end with
"taskustain puuttuu ain markat vain" (="from my pocket marks are ever
missing"). Markat vain -> Mark Twain. I can't figure out their reasoning
sometimes.
RICH and KATIE:
> there is at least one country in Europe (Holland?) which actually
> *banned* Donald for a while for that very reason!
Well... <cough> Eh... 'twas Finland. Alright? It was Finland!
Actually, Donald wasn't really banned. In the town of Kemi (a
rather mediocre-sized town in Northern Finland) there were Aku Ankkas (the
Finnish Donald Duck weekly) in the waiting room of the health care center,
as there are Aku Ankkas in most waiting rooms. In the 1970's some citizens
complained about this since because Aku Ankka is not married to Daisy and
wears no pants, he can't be a good example for the children. I think the
town board actually banned Aku Ankkas from all the town's public areas
(doctors' waiting rooms, hospitals, schools). A while later the decision
was, of course, overruled.
Interestingly enough, nowadays Kemi is the host of the most
important comic convention in Finland, the Kemi Comics Festival...
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Tryg Helseth
Ducky Tales of Scrooge and his "girl" friends.
Message 414 -
1998-01-25 at 17:13:55
Hello ALL!
Just dropping out of lurk mode to let you folks know I'm still here.
The list has really been active lately, and I have enjoyed reading the many
discussions--particularity about Scrooge's many possible love interests. I
would like to join in on the discussion, but really have nothing to add as
you folks are covering it so thoroughly.
For many years I had never knew there was anyone other than Goldie as a
possible romantic interest for Scrooge. Then in the early '80s a co-worker
who was born in Italy told me about Brigitta--it would be many years later
before I actually saw Brigitta in an English version, but I wondered what
other women (ducks?) were lurking in his past. From recent discussions
here, there are apparently quite a few!
I have also been following discussions on DuckTales which I haven't seen
for many years now. A childhood friend and I used to fantasies about
Disney creating extended or even feature length movie versions of our
favorite Donald and Scrooge adventures. As years went by I learned that it
would never happen--Disney migrated characters and stories from the movies
to the comic books, not the other way around.
Then came DuckTales! I remember almost falling off my chair when I first
stumbled across it by accident. It was "Land Beneath the Ground" right
there in full animated glory! OK, so they watered down the characters and
took a few other liberties. Their typical slapstick Donald Duck cartoons
couldn't hold a JW novice badge to this!
There was one DuckTales episode I have always wanted to see again, but know
so little about it--not even the title. It was a futuristic episode where
H,D, and L are now adults and have inherited Scrooges fortune. I don't
remember much else about it. Does anyone know what episode I am talking
about?
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <(Email removed)>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" - The Beach Drakes
Just dropping out of lurk mode to let you folks know I'm still here.
The list has really been active lately, and I have enjoyed reading the many
discussions--particularity about Scrooge's many possible love interests. I
would like to join in on the discussion, but really have nothing to add as
you folks are covering it so thoroughly.
For many years I had never knew there was anyone other than Goldie as a
possible romantic interest for Scrooge. Then in the early '80s a co-worker
who was born in Italy told me about Brigitta--it would be many years later
before I actually saw Brigitta in an English version, but I wondered what
other women (ducks?) were lurking in his past. From recent discussions
here, there are apparently quite a few!
I have also been following discussions on DuckTales which I haven't seen
for many years now. A childhood friend and I used to fantasies about
Disney creating extended or even feature length movie versions of our
favorite Donald and Scrooge adventures. As years went by I learned that it
would never happen--Disney migrated characters and stories from the movies
to the comic books, not the other way around.
Then came DuckTales! I remember almost falling off my chair when I first
stumbled across it by accident. It was "Land Beneath the Ground" right
there in full animated glory! OK, so they watered down the characters and
took a few other liberties. Their typical slapstick Donald Duck cartoons
couldn't hold a JW novice badge to this!
There was one DuckTales episode I have always wanted to see again, but know
so little about it--not even the title. It was a futuristic episode where
H,D, and L are now adults and have inherited Scrooges fortune. I don't
remember much else about it. Does anyone know what episode I am talking
about?
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <(Email removed)>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" - The Beach Drakes
Luca Boschi
Characters with not so much dresses...
Message 415 -
1998-01-25 at 19:45:03
Ciao a tutti!
> >>ABOUT THE PRINCE & THE PAUPER:
>
I can add a detait to that story (in the comics version). You must know that
Asteriti, who was used to draw the "Mice", made all the characters' drawings EXCEPT
Donald, who was drawn by Roberto Santillo, an outstanding artist actually in the
Carpi's School and now "head" of the Accademia Disney. The colors were added by
Gabliela Lovati and Valeria Turati.
I know this, because I was in the Publishing House, when they worked to this story.
>
> >> 7. Miss Belle Duck!
>
I'm
> interested in learning more about her and in seeing some images
> of her, if possible. I don't believe she has ever appeared in any
> comics printed in the USA.
Right. She wasn't. Maybe I can send a page of an old "Topolino" to Katie (since I
have a parcel for her), and she con scan one Belle's picture.
>
> KATIE:
> All kidding aside, if I recall correctly, there is at least one country
> in Europe (Holland?) which actually *banned* Donald for a while
> for that very reason!
I can add something more. In Great Britain, in 50's Eega Beeva was considered
"censorable" because he was a male wearing woman dresse. So, he was forced to wear
PANTS. And I know that in some Scandinavian countries, many old Gottfredson's
stories with him were banned, because... frequently he put his hands into his black
"gonnellino" (and it was better that kids didn't imitate him putting hands into
their slips), and because he was naked too much. So, since in Italy are normally
produced new Eega's stories, in the 70's they were forced to drew a little bit less
of them, because at Mondadori they knew those stories were refused from nothern
countries.
A nice (and funny) theme could be to check all the panels in which characters
appear REALLY without pants. And there are a lot of them, I can assure you.
Ri-ciao,
Luca
> -Rich (xephyr)
> http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
>
> >>ABOUT THE PRINCE & THE PAUPER:
>
I can add a detait to that story (in the comics version). You must know that
Asteriti, who was used to draw the "Mice", made all the characters' drawings EXCEPT
Donald, who was drawn by Roberto Santillo, an outstanding artist actually in the
Carpi's School and now "head" of the Accademia Disney. The colors were added by
Gabliela Lovati and Valeria Turati.
I know this, because I was in the Publishing House, when they worked to this story.
>
> >> 7. Miss Belle Duck!
>
I'm
> interested in learning more about her and in seeing some images
> of her, if possible. I don't believe she has ever appeared in any
> comics printed in the USA.
Right. She wasn't. Maybe I can send a page of an old "Topolino" to Katie (since I
have a parcel for her), and she con scan one Belle's picture.
>
> KATIE:
> All kidding aside, if I recall correctly, there is at least one country
> in Europe (Holland?) which actually *banned* Donald for a while
> for that very reason!
I can add something more. In Great Britain, in 50's Eega Beeva was considered
"censorable" because he was a male wearing woman dresse. So, he was forced to wear
PANTS. And I know that in some Scandinavian countries, many old Gottfredson's
stories with him were banned, because... frequently he put his hands into his black
"gonnellino" (and it was better that kids didn't imitate him putting hands into
their slips), and because he was naked too much. So, since in Italy are normally
produced new Eega's stories, in the 70's they were forced to drew a little bit less
of them, because at Mondadori they knew those stories were refused from nothern
countries.
A nice (and funny) theme could be to check all the panels in which characters
appear REALLY without pants. And there are a lot of them, I can assure you.
Ri-ciao,
Luca
> -Rich (xephyr)
> http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
>
Luna Storta
Sorry
Message 416 -
1998-01-25 at 21:05:11
Hello,
In the last digest I did an error posting just a draft of the
complete message I prepared, so there was no signature and a
message about "A Chrismas Carol" was just a remind to myself, so
here it is the real message about "A Christmas Carol" I intended to
send:
The author of this story is Guido Martina, the great Italian
author, while the artist is Jose Maria Colomer Fonts, a spanish
artist. The story appeared for the first time in Topolino #1412 on
19 december 1982, and is 70 pages long.
Ciao,
Paolo Castagno
http://fumetti.home.ml.org
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In the last digest I did an error posting just a draft of the
complete message I prepared, so there was no signature and a
message about "A Chrismas Carol" was just a remind to myself, so
here it is the real message about "A Christmas Carol" I intended to
send:
The author of this story is Guido Martina, the great Italian
author, while the artist is Jose Maria Colomer Fonts, a spanish
artist. The story appeared for the first time in Topolino #1412 on
19 december 1982, and is 70 pages long.
Ciao,
Paolo Castagno
http://fumetti.home.ml.org
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Katie Sullivan
Odd character clothes
Message 417 -
1998-01-25 at 23:12:24
> > >> 7. Miss Belle Duck!
> > I'm interested in learning more about her and in seeing some images
> of her, if possible. I don't believe she has ever appeared in any
> comics printed in the USA.
> Right. She wasn't. Maybe I {LUCA} can send a page of an old "Topolino"
> to Katie (since I have a parcel for her), and she con scan one Belle's
> picture.
I would be happy to! :-)
> A nice (and funny) theme could be to check all the panels in which
> characters
> appear REALLY without pants. And there are a lot of them, I can assure
> you.
I know in one chapter of the Lo$ series, when Scrooge first becomes a
cowboy, all his clothes get shaken off by a wild horseback ride. And in
Back to the Klondike, after Scrooge washes the honey off, there's
several panels where he is running away from mosquitos, totally naked!
Granted, they're just feathery little ducks, but it's a wonder the
censors haven't made a fuss about it! ;-)
Anyone remember any other examples?
Katie
> > I'm interested in learning more about her and in seeing some images
> of her, if possible. I don't believe she has ever appeared in any
> comics printed in the USA.
> Right. She wasn't. Maybe I {LUCA} can send a page of an old "Topolino"
> to Katie (since I have a parcel for her), and she con scan one Belle's
> picture.
I would be happy to! :-)
> A nice (and funny) theme could be to check all the panels in which
> characters
> appear REALLY without pants. And there are a lot of them, I can assure
> you.
I know in one chapter of the Lo$ series, when Scrooge first becomes a
cowboy, all his clothes get shaken off by a wild horseback ride. And in
Back to the Klondike, after Scrooge washes the honey off, there's
several panels where he is running away from mosquitos, totally naked!
Granted, they're just feathery little ducks, but it's a wonder the
censors haven't made a fuss about it! ;-)
Anyone remember any other examples?
Katie
Matthew R. Sommer
DuckTales!!
Message 418 -
1998-01-26 at 05:42:10
augie said:
>I have to admit to something of a fondness for Bubba, but he and Gizmoduck were
>completely unnecessary. There's no reason. They can't possibly say they ran
>out of story ideas for $crooge or the nephews or Launchpad.
exactly. Bubba would have been a good one-shot character, but grew very
old pretty quickly imho. And gizmoduck...I just hafta ask 'why??' It
was almost like they were grooming him for his own show. I know ROBOCOP
was big at the time, which obviously inspired GD, but sheesh. There
were so many subplots and new characters made up just for the gizmoduck
character (GD/fenton, his mother, his girlfriend, etc...). They had
already parodied the idea of superheroes BEAUTIFULLY the first season
with the Launchpad 'hero for hire' episode... so why bring in this lame
new character to take up space?
To think of how many good Barks plots werent even touched, and then
getting this creatively bankrupt stuff... It really turned me off the
show.
(re: animation quality nosedive)
>Absolutely. This is my major complaint with the second season. They went from
>animation in the first season to cartooning in the second season. It just
>looked so out of place, especially in comparison to the awe-inspiring TMS
>(Japanese animation studios) episodes of the first season.
I'm a huge fan of Japanese anime, so maybe i'm biased :) But that stuff
was gorgeous to look at...very lush and high quality stuff. I only wish
they could have continued. i have a feeling that disney decided to cut
the cost of production after the first season and went with lower
quality animators? Just a hunch, but the difference is so striking I
couldnt believe the two seasons were done by the same studios.
(re: Quack Pack)
>I couldn't sit through a full episode. It's just that bad.
ha! Now i almost WANT to see it, just to see how bad it is (kind of like
slowing down to watch a car wreck...I know i shouldnt look, but it's so
awful it's fascinating!) :)
>> p.s. was anyone else as extremely disappointed by the DT movie as I was?
>I wasn't extremely disappointed, but it seemed like they didn't take advantage
>of the format as well as they could have, and the story really dragged in spots
>and pandered to the kiddies. Their biggest stunt was the use of the
>multi-place camera on the money bin in the end, at which point I just really
>ceased to care all that much. They should have adopted a Barks story for the
>movie.
I had high hopes for the film, and by the time it came out i was about
16 or 17, so I was obviously NOT in the intended audience range for this
picture... But the problem I had with it was that for all the fancy big
budget animation techniques, it was just such an uninspired story.
Especially when the idea of a magic lamp/genie had ALREADY been done
really well in the regular show! The episode where $crooge and Glomgold
race for the lamp in the first season was BETTER than this movie... It
seemed like a real wasted oportunity. The ducks are capable of telling
pretty mature themed stories sometimes... and even though young kids
like them, older kids can get something out of it as well... I think
Disney just aimed this film squarely at preschoolers. I dont know what
the figures were, but for me and my friends, and in my experience, there
was a lot of OLDER people watching this show on TV...why didnt disney
realize this? This kind of thinking happens all the time, so I dont
know why i should be surprised about it...
-matt-
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #33
*****************************************
>I have to admit to something of a fondness for Bubba, but he and Gizmoduck were
>completely unnecessary. There's no reason. They can't possibly say they ran
>out of story ideas for $crooge or the nephews or Launchpad.
exactly. Bubba would have been a good one-shot character, but grew very
old pretty quickly imho. And gizmoduck...I just hafta ask 'why??' It
was almost like they were grooming him for his own show. I know ROBOCOP
was big at the time, which obviously inspired GD, but sheesh. There
were so many subplots and new characters made up just for the gizmoduck
character (GD/fenton, his mother, his girlfriend, etc...). They had
already parodied the idea of superheroes BEAUTIFULLY the first season
with the Launchpad 'hero for hire' episode... so why bring in this lame
new character to take up space?
To think of how many good Barks plots werent even touched, and then
getting this creatively bankrupt stuff... It really turned me off the
show.
(re: animation quality nosedive)
>Absolutely. This is my major complaint with the second season. They went from
>animation in the first season to cartooning in the second season. It just
>looked so out of place, especially in comparison to the awe-inspiring TMS
>(Japanese animation studios) episodes of the first season.
I'm a huge fan of Japanese anime, so maybe i'm biased :) But that stuff
was gorgeous to look at...very lush and high quality stuff. I only wish
they could have continued. i have a feeling that disney decided to cut
the cost of production after the first season and went with lower
quality animators? Just a hunch, but the difference is so striking I
couldnt believe the two seasons were done by the same studios.
(re: Quack Pack)
>I couldn't sit through a full episode. It's just that bad.
ha! Now i almost WANT to see it, just to see how bad it is (kind of like
slowing down to watch a car wreck...I know i shouldnt look, but it's so
awful it's fascinating!) :)
>> p.s. was anyone else as extremely disappointed by the DT movie as I was?
>I wasn't extremely disappointed, but it seemed like they didn't take advantage
>of the format as well as they could have, and the story really dragged in spots
>and pandered to the kiddies. Their biggest stunt was the use of the
>multi-place camera on the money bin in the end, at which point I just really
>ceased to care all that much. They should have adopted a Barks story for the
>movie.
I had high hopes for the film, and by the time it came out i was about
16 or 17, so I was obviously NOT in the intended audience range for this
picture... But the problem I had with it was that for all the fancy big
budget animation techniques, it was just such an uninspired story.
Especially when the idea of a magic lamp/genie had ALREADY been done
really well in the regular show! The episode where $crooge and Glomgold
race for the lamp in the first season was BETTER than this movie... It
seemed like a real wasted oportunity. The ducks are capable of telling
pretty mature themed stories sometimes... and even though young kids
like them, older kids can get something out of it as well... I think
Disney just aimed this film squarely at preschoolers. I dont know what
the figures were, but for me and my friends, and in my experience, there
was a lot of OLDER people watching this show on TV...why didnt disney
realize this? This kind of thinking happens all the time, so I dont
know why i should be surprised about it...
-matt-
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #33
*****************************************
Katie Sullivan
American Football
Message 419 -
1998-01-26 at 05:47:40
I realize in the rest of the world "football" refers to what we
Americans call "soccer", but bear with me. The Super Bowl reminded
me...wasn't there a comic where Scrooge jumped into a football game when
the nephews were losing? He said something about having played in the
old days. Anyone else remember this obscure little story? I think
Grandma Duck was in it.
Katie
Americans call "soccer", but bear with me. The Super Bowl reminded
me...wasn't there a comic where Scrooge jumped into a football game when
the nephews were losing? He said something about having played in the
old days. Anyone else remember this obscure little story? I think
Grandma Duck was in it.
Katie
Matthew R. Sommer
DuckTales !!!
Message 420 -
1998-01-26 at 06:08:05
katie said:
(HI to a fellow execpc'er, BTW...)
>Re: the first 5 episodes:
>Are you referring to the Treasure of the Golden Suns series? I think
>they were the first episodes aired. They were very, very good, I
>thought. Plus, one epside featured a llama, if I'm not mistaken, and
>that's my favorite animal! Plus, El Capitan, the wheezy-voiced villain,
>was voices by Jim Cummings, a fantastic animation voice artist who also
>did the voices for Don Karnage on Tale Spin and Darkwing Duck.
yeah, i WAS refering to "TotGS" when i said the first 5... that actually
first aired as an uniterrupted movie, later broken up into 5 different
episodes... really good stuff!! They rarely topped that first 5 episode
set for the rest of the run of the show... although there were so many
good ones that I cant recall them all right now...
The weirdest thing about DuckTales for me? $crooge's TOP COAT!! :) When
I started reading the comics after watching DT I wanted to know why his
coat wasnt BLUE like it was supposed to be! ;) Anyone know why they
changed such an important detail? Related to this, way back in 1989 I
took a trip to europe, and when in italy I bought one issue of the "I
CLASSICI DI WALT DISNEY N.151, "nove volte paperino""...several of the
stories inside also used the DUCKTALES color scheme for U$...
wish I could get these DT episodes on TAPE!! Anyone have any to trade?
-matt-
(HI to a fellow execpc'er, BTW...)
>Re: the first 5 episodes:
>Are you referring to the Treasure of the Golden Suns series? I think
>they were the first episodes aired. They were very, very good, I
>thought. Plus, one epside featured a llama, if I'm not mistaken, and
>that's my favorite animal! Plus, El Capitan, the wheezy-voiced villain,
>was voices by Jim Cummings, a fantastic animation voice artist who also
>did the voices for Don Karnage on Tale Spin and Darkwing Duck.
yeah, i WAS refering to "TotGS" when i said the first 5... that actually
first aired as an uniterrupted movie, later broken up into 5 different
episodes... really good stuff!! They rarely topped that first 5 episode
set for the rest of the run of the show... although there were so many
good ones that I cant recall them all right now...
The weirdest thing about DuckTales for me? $crooge's TOP COAT!! :) When
I started reading the comics after watching DT I wanted to know why his
coat wasnt BLUE like it was supposed to be! ;) Anyone know why they
changed such an important detail? Related to this, way back in 1989 I
took a trip to europe, and when in italy I bought one issue of the "I
CLASSICI DI WALT DISNEY N.151, "nove volte paperino""...several of the
stories inside also used the DUCKTALES color scheme for U$...
wish I could get these DT episodes on TAPE!! Anyone have any to trade?
-matt-