KATIE:
>
> I realize in the rest of the world "football" refers to what we
> Americans call "soccer", but bear with me. The Super Bowl reminded
> me...wasn't there a comic where Scrooge jumped into a football game when
> the nephews were losing? He said something about having played in the
> old days. Anyone else remember this obscure little story? I think
> Grandma Duck was in it.
The only story I can think of is "September Scrimmage" from MICKEY MOUSE
ALMANAC #1 by Barks. It's most recent reprinting is in USAiC #20. And,
Grandma wasn't in it.
-Shaun
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Shaun M. Knowler
Disney comics Digest V98 #34
Message 436 -
1998-01-27 at 19:50:30
PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO,BARRETO
More quacking...
Message 437 -
1998-01-27 at 20:03:07
LUNA STORTA (re "A Christmas Carol")
> The story appeared for the first time in Topolino #1412 on
19 december 1982, and is 70 pages long.
Thanks for the info! We Brazilians had to wait until next Christmas
to read it (so I did), but I'd never remember it was such a long story.
LUNA STORTA, again (re hero league)
I agree Paperinik B-codes are very weak and placing the naturally lone
Paperinik in a hero league is not very clever. However, I suppose I'm
not the only Brazilian Paperinik fan, for Brazilian studios kept on
exploiting the character as long as possible. Even worse, making him
team with Paperinika... how about the celebrated women's champion now?
RICH: (re Red Wasp)
> He was, I'm sure, intended to only be a "one-shot" character
who appeared in a three part story "The Red Wasp Mystery"
from WDC&S #317 - 319.
If you are interested in seeing this tale let me know (I have
a scanner and know how to use it) ;-).
Surely! Thank you in advance.
> BTW, do the heroes of Duckburg ... get involved with more *super* villianish
types to match?
Not frequently. Of course, heroes don't have much trouble with those
dumbish regular villains, and even when they use Super-help (a
mind-controlled Superomao, for one), there's always some ridiculously
exposed Achilles' heel.
> I'm not famliar with this Professor Estigma
He's a tall, bald, long-nosed dogface who is an evil scientist (like
Emil Eagle, but much smarter) and occasionally leads the crime syndicate.
[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed)
> The story appeared for the first time in Topolino #1412 on
19 december 1982, and is 70 pages long.
Thanks for the info! We Brazilians had to wait until next Christmas
to read it (so I did), but I'd never remember it was such a long story.
LUNA STORTA, again (re hero league)
I agree Paperinik B-codes are very weak and placing the naturally lone
Paperinik in a hero league is not very clever. However, I suppose I'm
not the only Brazilian Paperinik fan, for Brazilian studios kept on
exploiting the character as long as possible. Even worse, making him
team with Paperinika... how about the celebrated women's champion now?
RICH: (re Red Wasp)
> He was, I'm sure, intended to only be a "one-shot" character
who appeared in a three part story "The Red Wasp Mystery"
from WDC&S #317 - 319.
If you are interested in seeing this tale let me know (I have
a scanner and know how to use it) ;-).
Surely! Thank you in advance.
> BTW, do the heroes of Duckburg ... get involved with more *super* villianish
types to match?
Not frequently. Of course, heroes don't have much trouble with those
dumbish regular villains, and even when they use Super-help (a
mind-controlled Superomao, for one), there's always some ridiculously
exposed Achilles' heel.
> I'm not famliar with this Professor Estigma
He's a tall, bald, long-nosed dogface who is an evil scientist (like
Emil Eagle, but much smarter) and occasionally leads the crime syndicate.
[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed)
Shaun M. Knowler
Disney comics Digest V98 #34
Message 438 -
1998-01-27 at 20:13:05
OLE:
<< No, even if I find it waste of the few pages Gladstone publish to
reprint
the same stories in both comic books and albums simultaneously, I was
referring to Don doing the same drawings over and over and over, only
to make the Lo$ hardcover book more valuable to collectors.=20
I wonder how many of those books ever get *read*? >>
I know of at least ONE that gets read. :) I don't pay 107 Canadian dollars
to NOT read something!
-Shaun
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
<< No, even if I find it waste of the few pages Gladstone publish to
reprint
the same stories in both comic books and albums simultaneously, I was
referring to Don doing the same drawings over and over and over, only
to make the Lo$ hardcover book more valuable to collectors.=20
I wonder how many of those books ever get *read*? >>
I know of at least ONE that gets read. :) I don't pay 107 Canadian dollars
to NOT read something!
-Shaun
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
Etabeta
Translations
Message 439 -
1998-01-27 at 20:25:27
MIKE & STEFAN
on V98#33 MIKE wrote to STEFAN
>!!! PUN SPOILER for Lo$ #2 !!!
>
>In Lo$ #2 ("The Master of Mississippi") there's that Mark Twain
>pun where Scrooge is measuring the depth of the water saying: "Mark
>three... Half twain... Mark twain..." Where upon that Gearloose fellow
>comes and says: "Where is he? I want to have his autograph!" (I don't know
>the exact quotes since I got that one from the German translation!) In the
>Finnish version the imho easily understandable Mississippi jargon was left
>out and replaced with Scrooge singing a made-up song that would end with
>"taskustain puuttuu ain markat vain" (="from my pocket marks are ever
missing").
>Markat vain -> Mark Twain.
>I can't figure out their reasoning sometimes.
Yes, that was another good gag Italian readers missed, too.
Scrooge's line went like "Mark one... half two... mark two", while the
arriving "Gyroid" goes "Hey! Sounds like fun! Let me have a go at it!".
Obviously, his following enquire about Lily Langtry is ignored as well, he
just keeps talking about the "sawyers".
This was surely a choice of the translator, however.
Mark Twain is quite popular in Italy as well, and the legend about his
name
is well known, so I think the translator purposedly avoided the Mark Twain
reference.
But why ? Just because of Mark Twain's popularity Scrooge's line could
easily
have been left exactly as it was, in *English*, while the "Gyroid"
comment could
then have been translated literally, respecting the original gag without
even
the need for a footnote (although one about Lily Langtry would probably
have come
in handy...)
Well, what we can say here, I guess, is that a rule cannot be
estabilished, and
every single case stands on its own with regard of the various "local"
cultures...
Translating surely is a difficult job, one where is nearly impossible to
make
everyone happy, I'm afraid.
Cheers
Eta Beta
email to : (Email removed)
------------------------------------------
"Do you suffer from long-term memory loss ?"
"I don't remember..."
(Chumbawamba '97)
------------------------------------------
on V98#33 MIKE wrote to STEFAN
>!!! PUN SPOILER for Lo$ #2 !!!
>
>In Lo$ #2 ("The Master of Mississippi") there's that Mark Twain
>pun where Scrooge is measuring the depth of the water saying: "Mark
>three... Half twain... Mark twain..." Where upon that Gearloose fellow
>comes and says: "Where is he? I want to have his autograph!" (I don't know
>the exact quotes since I got that one from the German translation!) In the
>Finnish version the imho easily understandable Mississippi jargon was left
>out and replaced with Scrooge singing a made-up song that would end with
>"taskustain puuttuu ain markat vain" (="from my pocket marks are ever
missing").
>Markat vain -> Mark Twain.
>I can't figure out their reasoning sometimes.
Yes, that was another good gag Italian readers missed, too.
Scrooge's line went like "Mark one... half two... mark two", while the
arriving "Gyroid" goes "Hey! Sounds like fun! Let me have a go at it!".
Obviously, his following enquire about Lily Langtry is ignored as well, he
just keeps talking about the "sawyers".
This was surely a choice of the translator, however.
Mark Twain is quite popular in Italy as well, and the legend about his
name
is well known, so I think the translator purposedly avoided the Mark Twain
reference.
But why ? Just because of Mark Twain's popularity Scrooge's line could
easily
have been left exactly as it was, in *English*, while the "Gyroid"
comment could
then have been translated literally, respecting the original gag without
even
the need for a footnote (although one about Lily Langtry would probably
have come
in handy...)
Well, what we can say here, I guess, is that a rule cannot be
estabilished, and
every single case stands on its own with regard of the various "local"
cultures...
Translating surely is a difficult job, one where is nearly impossible to
make
everyone happy, I'm afraid.
Cheers
Eta Beta
email to : (Email removed)
------------------------------------------
"Do you suffer from long-term memory loss ?"
"I don't remember..."
(Chumbawamba '97)
------------------------------------------
Rich Bellacera
Disney comics Digest V98 #34
Message 440 -
1998-01-27 at 20:33:11
DAVID G:
>BTW, Rich, you've mentioned QUACK PACK recently as paying
>homage to such characters as Fethry and Hard Haid Moe. While I'd
>like to think this was the case, the fact is that the show's producers
>went ahead without even knowing who Gladstone Gander was (and
>so didn't use him). I think it's a case of us seeing something there
>only because we *want* to see it there. Fethry's been in very few
>American Disney comics, and to the best of my knowledge, even in
>various giveaway titles that included S-coded stories, Moe's never
>appeared.
Although I'm not exactly sure why you mentioned Gladstone (perhaps
you mean Fethry?) I have come across a few HHM stories from
Brazil and have become vaguely familiar with his character, and as
for the "Quack Pack: Ducklaration of Independence" I guess it's just
a case of uncanny coincidence. However, are you sure there are no
other USA printings of stories featuring HHM? A few months back
I was rumaging around at a certain Comic Shop where I came across
several issues of a Disney magazine called "Wonderful World of
Disney" pnted by Western Printing and Lithographing Co. in 1968
which was apparently distributed by Gulf Oil Company gas stations.
The magazine was filled with art, stories, nature photos, and activities
for the kiddies (puzzles, etc.). Among the stories was a Fethry comic
which is most likely a foreign import (I dunno), but there was no
*storycode* located in any panel. I have scanned it in ince it does
indeed feature HHM, along with Donald Duck, HHM's dog
Hannibal(?), and [now that I know who he is] Tabby, Donald's cat.
If what you say is true, then this may be the first appearance of
HHM and Tabby in a USA publication. If anyone recognizes this
story called "Magic Mountain" could you please share the
*storycode*? I checked and could not find it under that title in
the Disney Comics database.
I will leave this comic posted to my webpage for a few days. It can
be found at the following URLs for anyone interested:
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/moe01.gif
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/moe02.gif
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/moe03.gif
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/moe04.gif
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/moe05.gif
You might notice a similarity of HHM to the old codger in QP
(or maybe not).
As for "Quack Pack" in general, other than the relatively good
animation, the glance into the future WRT HD&L, the great
revamping of Daisy, and the ocassional appearance of LvD (and
the kids as the T-Squad), there's nothing else that I find redeeming.
Though knowing your [David] great appreciation for the old
Disney cartoon shorts, I thought you'd really appreciate all the, to
me, homages to old DD cartoons, of which I've seen a great many
(and I know I'm not crazy). I do think the producers are making a
conscious effort to showcase DD in his old form in QP (much of
it, however, gets lost in all the garbage in the rest of the show).
> IMHO, Egmont has things a little better with their own
>occasional caveman character, Princess Oona. While typically
>destructive, she's used in a more Barksian way, and I like that.
Could you tell us (from the USA) a little more about "Oona"?
CHRISTOPHER B:
>Actually, she was always referred to as MRS. Crackshell. You
>may be confusing her with Ma Beagle....
Except when Fenton is calling her "M' Ma"
>The climax had more than its share of drama, and Dijon was
>an extremely good character, so much so that the TV series used
>him to good effect in "The Golden Goose" (and expanded his
>persona in the process).
Dijon also appeared in the "Attack of the Metal Mites" episode
where he was working for Glomgold. Of all the minor characters
presented on DT, I think Dijon's three appearances were among the
best.
Since we're talking about DT's have you (anyone) ever noticed the
recurring background character called "Vacation van Hump" who is
a large "Gus Goose" like character wearing a Hawaiian shirt. He
appears in several episodes, but never as an important character.
The one episode that comes to mind off hand is the Duckworth one
where he is waiting at a bus stop and is captured by aliens. Van
Hump is also at the bus stop at the beginning and end of the episode.
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
>BTW, Rich, you've mentioned QUACK PACK recently as paying
>homage to such characters as Fethry and Hard Haid Moe. While I'd
>like to think this was the case, the fact is that the show's producers
>went ahead without even knowing who Gladstone Gander was (and
>so didn't use him). I think it's a case of us seeing something there
>only because we *want* to see it there. Fethry's been in very few
>American Disney comics, and to the best of my knowledge, even in
>various giveaway titles that included S-coded stories, Moe's never
>appeared.
Although I'm not exactly sure why you mentioned Gladstone (perhaps
you mean Fethry?) I have come across a few HHM stories from
Brazil and have become vaguely familiar with his character, and as
for the "Quack Pack: Ducklaration of Independence" I guess it's just
a case of uncanny coincidence. However, are you sure there are no
other USA printings of stories featuring HHM? A few months back
I was rumaging around at a certain Comic Shop where I came across
several issues of a Disney magazine called "Wonderful World of
Disney" pnted by Western Printing and Lithographing Co. in 1968
which was apparently distributed by Gulf Oil Company gas stations.
The magazine was filled with art, stories, nature photos, and activities
for the kiddies (puzzles, etc.). Among the stories was a Fethry comic
which is most likely a foreign import (I dunno), but there was no
*storycode* located in any panel. I have scanned it in ince it does
indeed feature HHM, along with Donald Duck, HHM's dog
Hannibal(?), and [now that I know who he is] Tabby, Donald's cat.
If what you say is true, then this may be the first appearance of
HHM and Tabby in a USA publication. If anyone recognizes this
story called "Magic Mountain" could you please share the
*storycode*? I checked and could not find it under that title in
the Disney Comics database.
I will leave this comic posted to my webpage for a few days. It can
be found at the following URLs for anyone interested:
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/moe01.gif
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/moe02.gif
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/moe03.gif
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/moe04.gif
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/moe05.gif
You might notice a similarity of HHM to the old codger in QP
(or maybe not).
As for "Quack Pack" in general, other than the relatively good
animation, the glance into the future WRT HD&L, the great
revamping of Daisy, and the ocassional appearance of LvD (and
the kids as the T-Squad), there's nothing else that I find redeeming.
Though knowing your [David] great appreciation for the old
Disney cartoon shorts, I thought you'd really appreciate all the, to
me, homages to old DD cartoons, of which I've seen a great many
(and I know I'm not crazy). I do think the producers are making a
conscious effort to showcase DD in his old form in QP (much of
it, however, gets lost in all the garbage in the rest of the show).
> IMHO, Egmont has things a little better with their own
>occasional caveman character, Princess Oona. While typically
>destructive, she's used in a more Barksian way, and I like that.
Could you tell us (from the USA) a little more about "Oona"?
CHRISTOPHER B:
>Actually, she was always referred to as MRS. Crackshell. You
>may be confusing her with Ma Beagle....
Except when Fenton is calling her "M' Ma"
>The climax had more than its share of drama, and Dijon was
>an extremely good character, so much so that the TV series used
>him to good effect in "The Golden Goose" (and expanded his
>persona in the process).
Dijon also appeared in the "Attack of the Metal Mites" episode
where he was working for Glomgold. Of all the minor characters
presented on DT, I think Dijon's three appearances were among the
best.
Since we're talking about DT's have you (anyone) ever noticed the
recurring background character called "Vacation van Hump" who is
a large "Gus Goose" like character wearing a Hawaiian shirt. He
appears in several episodes, but never as an important character.
The one episode that comes to mind off hand is the Duckworth one
where he is waiting at a bus stop and is captured by aliens. Van
Hump is also at the bus stop at the beginning and end of the episode.
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
Luca Boschi
Eega Beeva and naked Mickeys
Message 441 -
1998-01-27 at 20:55:22
Hi, all!
David wrote:
>
> LUCA:
> We've been using Eega Beeva full-tilt in the pocketbooks since
> the late 1970s at Egmont, I think. And in the normal 8-panel-per-page
> weekly stories too, since last year. Are you saying that the late 1970s
> is when that moratorium stopped?
So told me Franco Fossati, some years later (in 1982, I think).
Actually, he was "Topolino"'s stories editor in chief.
> As a further note, I find that Eega was *very* popular in
> Britain in the 1940s and 1950s, often appearing on the cover of their
> weekly then.
Some stories with him, very well drawn ones, were produced with and
without Mickey. And also a four-panels comic pantomime strip in color
with him was made. And he got short pants.
And oddly, while you state that there was an objection to
> his sticking his hands in his shorts, I don't notice them actually
> cutting such scenes when they ran the stories (we have a reasonably
> complete archive of the 1950s issues, here).
The didn't cut those scenes, because when they published Gottfredson's
strips, seems that this moratorium didn'exist. But, according Fossati,
they didn't translated and printed the "new" stories made in Italy
(drawn by Scarpa, P. L. De Vita, Gatto, Perego and so on).
>
> KATIE:
> Other Ducks in the buff? Errm... why are you so interested in
> this? When I was still in college last year, there was a special club
> for people like that. :-D
> I recall Mickey being sans clothes in a few stories, too (you'd
> guess off the bat that they were earlier ones, but two are from 1944 =
> and
> 1957 so they're not *that* early.
There are lots of Mickey without pants in italian stories. I well
remembre a scene in which he and Black pete are completely naked in
Scarpa's "Topolino e il mistero di Tapioco VI". And what to say about
ALL the appearances of Dippy-Goofy-the Dawg and the earliest H.
Horsecollar's ones (no pants at all, and they're not ducks)?
Best to you!
David wrote:
>
> LUCA:
> We've been using Eega Beeva full-tilt in the pocketbooks since
> the late 1970s at Egmont, I think. And in the normal 8-panel-per-page
> weekly stories too, since last year. Are you saying that the late 1970s
> is when that moratorium stopped?
So told me Franco Fossati, some years later (in 1982, I think).
Actually, he was "Topolino"'s stories editor in chief.
> As a further note, I find that Eega was *very* popular in
> Britain in the 1940s and 1950s, often appearing on the cover of their
> weekly then.
Some stories with him, very well drawn ones, were produced with and
without Mickey. And also a four-panels comic pantomime strip in color
with him was made. And he got short pants.
And oddly, while you state that there was an objection to
> his sticking his hands in his shorts, I don't notice them actually
> cutting such scenes when they ran the stories (we have a reasonably
> complete archive of the 1950s issues, here).
The didn't cut those scenes, because when they published Gottfredson's
strips, seems that this moratorium didn'exist. But, according Fossati,
they didn't translated and printed the "new" stories made in Italy
(drawn by Scarpa, P. L. De Vita, Gatto, Perego and so on).
>
> KATIE:
> Other Ducks in the buff? Errm... why are you so interested in
> this? When I was still in college last year, there was a special club
> for people like that. :-D
> I recall Mickey being sans clothes in a few stories, too (you'd
> guess off the bat that they were earlier ones, but two are from 1944 =
> and
> 1957 so they're not *that* early.
There are lots of Mickey without pants in italian stories. I well
remembre a scene in which he and Black pete are completely naked in
Scarpa's "Topolino e il mistero di Tapioco VI". And what to say about
ALL the appearances of Dippy-Goofy-the Dawg and the earliest H.
Horsecollar's ones (no pants at all, and they're not ducks)?
Best to you!
PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO,BARRETO
Scrooge's "blues" & my $1/50 on $1/4s
Message 442 -
1998-01-27 at 21:36:51
Hi everybody...
MATT:
> The weirdest thing about DuckTales for me? $crooge's TOP COAT!! :)
AFAIK Scrooge's coat was blue in Sunday strips also (was it just a
coincidence?). Maybe his coat has been colored blue in DT to make
better contrast with the fancy background (or the producers thought a
red-coated whiskered U$ looked like a Santa Claus or the color could
be interpreted as a Communist symbol <G>)
KATIE:
>> "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" - The Beach Drakes
> LOL!
Where's that quote from?
KEVIN:
> you'll find that the old miser has 754, 078, 939, 456
quarters or about $188.5 billion dollars. Since, as Decker points out, the
total value of all American coins is a mere $11 billion, Scrooge has quite
an impressive stash.
Even if there were really 754 billion quarters in circulation, why
would U$ gather them all? Maybe he wants to play 754 billion Pac-Man
games? :-) Of course it would make a severe coin shortage and turn
plain coins into collectors' pieces, thus claiming for government
intervention (something unknown in Duckburg, by the way) lest U$ could
take over the whole financial system.
That's why in "Blood in Duckburg" there are gold coins in the money
bin, U$ coined them himself and they can't legally circulate in
Duckburg -- U$ runs his business by issuing bonds guaranteed by the
bullion value of the coins until the Central Bank manages to recover
control over legal tender and <spoiler ommitted>.
[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed)
MATT:
> The weirdest thing about DuckTales for me? $crooge's TOP COAT!! :)
AFAIK Scrooge's coat was blue in Sunday strips also (was it just a
coincidence?). Maybe his coat has been colored blue in DT to make
better contrast with the fancy background (or the producers thought a
red-coated whiskered U$ looked like a Santa Claus or the color could
be interpreted as a Communist symbol <G>)
KATIE:
>> "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" - The Beach Drakes
> LOL!
Where's that quote from?
KEVIN:
> you'll find that the old miser has 754, 078, 939, 456
quarters or about $188.5 billion dollars. Since, as Decker points out, the
total value of all American coins is a mere $11 billion, Scrooge has quite
an impressive stash.
Even if there were really 754 billion quarters in circulation, why
would U$ gather them all? Maybe he wants to play 754 billion Pac-Man
games? :-) Of course it would make a severe coin shortage and turn
plain coins into collectors' pieces, thus claiming for government
intervention (something unknown in Duckburg, by the way) lest U$ could
take over the whole financial system.
That's why in "Blood in Duckburg" there are gold coins in the money
bin, U$ coined them himself and they can't legally circulate in
Duckburg -- U$ runs his business by issuing bonds guaranteed by the
bullion value of the coins until the Central Bank manages to recover
control over legal tender and <spoiler ommitted>.
[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed)
Tryg Helseth
DuckTales! (Woo woo!)
Message 443 -
1998-01-27 at 21:48:38
KATIE:
>me...wasn't there a comic where Scrooge jumped into a football game when
>the nephews were losing? He said something about having played in the
>old days. Anyone else remember this obscure little story? I think
>Grandma Duck was in it.
Don't know if this is the story or not, but I believe "September Scrimmage"
features Scrooge in a football game. That story originally appeared in a
giant comic (Summer Fun?).
>> H,D, and L are now adults and have inherited Scrooges fortune. I
>I don't remember the title, but I do remember the episode, for sure! It
>was pretty neat. The nephews were all grown up and everything was
>futuristic. Webby was adult, blonde, shapely and married to Doofus
>(!?!)
Webby and Doofus? It HAS been a long time since I saw that episode...
>> "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" - The Beach Drakes
>
>LOL!
Heh. Glad you like it. I had used that signature for quite a few months
without realizing I had a glaring typo in it. Folks here were too polite
to point it out... :)
DAVID:
> The episode you remember is called "Duck to the Future" and is
>even available on video (quite a rarity for a non-feature-film-related
>Disney property in the USA, at least since about 1990). I liked it too,
>although I didn't care for the notion that HDL had grown up to be so
>unfriendly.
Thanks David. I do remember that H,D & L seemed like jerks in the episode.
Will have to look for that video tape.
CHRISTOPHER:
>That was "Duck to the Future." HD&L didn't "inherit" Scrooge's fortune --
>Magica took advantage of Scrooge's absence in the future to steal Old #1 in
>the present, and the adult HD&L are now working for her. (Their decision to
>be such ruthless businessmen was set off by some friendly advice Scrooge had
>given them about how to run their lemonade stand!)
The story is starting to come back to me with all these little details. I
should have remembered that Magica was responsible for the temporal shift.
Thanks.
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <(Email removed)>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" - The Beach Drakes
>me...wasn't there a comic where Scrooge jumped into a football game when
>the nephews were losing? He said something about having played in the
>old days. Anyone else remember this obscure little story? I think
>Grandma Duck was in it.
Don't know if this is the story or not, but I believe "September Scrimmage"
features Scrooge in a football game. That story originally appeared in a
giant comic (Summer Fun?).
>> H,D, and L are now adults and have inherited Scrooges fortune. I
>I don't remember the title, but I do remember the episode, for sure! It
>was pretty neat. The nephews were all grown up and everything was
>futuristic. Webby was adult, blonde, shapely and married to Doofus
>(!?!)
Webby and Doofus? It HAS been a long time since I saw that episode...
>> "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" - The Beach Drakes
>
>LOL!
Heh. Glad you like it. I had used that signature for quite a few months
without realizing I had a glaring typo in it. Folks here were too polite
to point it out... :)
DAVID:
> The episode you remember is called "Duck to the Future" and is
>even available on video (quite a rarity for a non-feature-film-related
>Disney property in the USA, at least since about 1990). I liked it too,
>although I didn't care for the notion that HDL had grown up to be so
>unfriendly.
Thanks David. I do remember that H,D & L seemed like jerks in the episode.
Will have to look for that video tape.
CHRISTOPHER:
>That was "Duck to the Future." HD&L didn't "inherit" Scrooge's fortune --
>Magica took advantage of Scrooge's absence in the future to steal Old #1 in
>the present, and the adult HD&L are now working for her. (Their decision to
>be such ruthless businessmen was set off by some friendly advice Scrooge had
>given them about how to run their lemonade stand!)
The story is starting to come back to me with all these little details. I
should have remembered that Magica was responsible for the temporal shift.
Thanks.
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <(Email removed)>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" - The Beach Drakes
Katie Sullivan
A rather long post from Miss Quackfaster ;-)
Message 444 -
1998-01-28 at 01:16:23
> TO "Matthew R. Sommer" <(Email removed)>
> (HI to a fellow execpc'er, BTW...)
Hi! Never noticed that, before. Where do you live? West-central
Wisconsin, here.I'm (Email removed) (the username sullivan was
already taken. :-(
> The weirdest thing about DuckTales for me? $crooge's TOP COAT!! :)
> When
> I started reading the comics after watching DT I wanted to know why
> his
> coat wasnt BLUE like it was supposed to be!
I know exactly what you mean! That always bugs me, too. On the other
hand, it makes it easier to distinguish "tainted" material from the
"real" comics-related things.
> TO Kevin Greenlee
Fascinating calculations about the money bin! Of course, it's highly
doubtful that all the money in there is *American* coinage, but
still....interesting!
> KATIE:
> Other Ducks in the buff? Errm... why are you so interested in
> this? When I was still in college last year, there was a special club
> for people like that. :-D
LOL! :-D Actually, I wasn't the one who originally brought it up. It
was Luca, I think. Anyway, it's just a matter of curiosity. ;-) Tee
hee.
And when you think about it, most Warner Brothers classic toons are
completely naked. Wile E. Coyote, Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, and sometimes
even Porky Pig, were all without apparel.
> I think one reason I dislike Bubba is that for a caveman
> character, he's just too cliched. All the usual suspect cliches are
> there - mispronouncing another character's name, riding a dinosaur
> (siiigh), liking rock music, having a sloping brow, and so on.
I know that was a definite turn-off for me.Re: Fenton's mother
> <<unfortunately, the second season really hit rock bottom for me, as I
>
> found both bubba and "gizmoduck" to be rather one dimensional gimmick
> characters (and "Ma" Crackshell...<<shudder!>>)...>>
> Actually, she was always referred to as MRS. Crackshell. You may be
> confusing her with Ma Beagle. But please continue...
Others refered to her as MRS. Crackshell (a cool name, by the way!) But
Fenton himself called her "mama," with the stress on the second
syllable.
> Except for the much-praised "made-over Daisy," it came and went like
> the
> proverbial dose of salts.
Having seen a grand total of 2 and 1/2 episodes, I can't really judge,
with but I wasn't thrilled with what I saw. I did, however, like the
new look for Daisy. I've always thought that big bow made her look a
bit outdated and childish. The rest of her traditional clothing was
fine, but that bow gets on my nerves. But then, I tend to be horribly
picky sometimes!!! ;-)(Obscure animation-related fact: the same
actress does the voice for both Daisy on QP and Morgana on Darkwing
Duck.)
> The llama, by the way, appeared in part two, "Wrongway in Ronguay." I
>
> immediately thought of the llama in the Barks story "The Prize of
> Pizarro."
Absolutely! There were also numerous llamas in "The Secret of the
Incas" with Brigitta, which was recently published in the US for the
first time.
> BTW recent digests seem to suggest that people are under the false
> impression that this is a Disney *animation* ml, which it one of the
> few things it officially isn't. I'm just stating that as a fact, not
> an attack on you, Christopher, or others. I know where the PageDown
> is when the subjects occasionally go too off-topic for my taste.
Thanks for your tolerance, but I don't really consider it *completely*
off topic. (Well, maybe a little, but there's obviously some interest
because the discussion keeps going on.) Especially the comparasons of
various characters and their screen translations.
Re: Scrooge's many romances...
> Another of Scrooge's old flames appears in a Strobl story in U$ 78
> from 1968, "I. O. U. ... But Who?"
> LONG SPOILER: Scrooge finds an old I-Owe-You note for a few dollars,
> but can't read the signature. Looking through his photo album, he
> finds likely candidates for the debt. <SNIP>. Finally he comes to
> Rosie Goldilocks, and her photo has the legend "Dear friend, I know
> how much I owe you." <SNIP> (she gives) Scrooge a big kiss when he
> arrives. <SNIP> Scrooge once saved her from drowning, she promised
> to become his wife ("M-m-my w-wife?!") She admits however, she did it
> to save the plantation and Scrooge promises to put a lot of money into
> it - obviously relieved to get away so easily.
I do remember this story! I was going to bring it up, but I keep
forgetting.I believe in the American version, the words of the photo are
"I'll always be in debt to you". Her name, if memory serves me right,
was Minnie Pearl, (which was also the name of a former commedienne on
"The Grand Ole Opry" here in the States.) I'll add her to the list...
1. Glittering Goldie O'Gilt
2. Brigitta MacBridge
3. Millionera Vanderbucks
4. Belle Duck
5. Money Quack
6. Minnie Pearl/Rosie Goldilocks
Notice I have cut Grandma Duck and Miss Quackfaster from the list, as
there is no evidence anywhere to back up these theories.
Quack!
Katie Sullivan
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
"Somebody owes you a billion dollars and they skip town every time!" ~
$crooge, "Back to the Klondike"
> (HI to a fellow execpc'er, BTW...)
Hi! Never noticed that, before. Where do you live? West-central
Wisconsin, here.I'm (Email removed) (the username sullivan was
already taken. :-(
> The weirdest thing about DuckTales for me? $crooge's TOP COAT!! :)
> When
> I started reading the comics after watching DT I wanted to know why
> his
> coat wasnt BLUE like it was supposed to be!
I know exactly what you mean! That always bugs me, too. On the other
hand, it makes it easier to distinguish "tainted" material from the
"real" comics-related things.
> TO Kevin Greenlee
Fascinating calculations about the money bin! Of course, it's highly
doubtful that all the money in there is *American* coinage, but
still....interesting!
> KATIE:
> Other Ducks in the buff? Errm... why are you so interested in
> this? When I was still in college last year, there was a special club
> for people like that. :-D
LOL! :-D Actually, I wasn't the one who originally brought it up. It
was Luca, I think. Anyway, it's just a matter of curiosity. ;-) Tee
hee.
And when you think about it, most Warner Brothers classic toons are
completely naked. Wile E. Coyote, Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, and sometimes
even Porky Pig, were all without apparel.
> I think one reason I dislike Bubba is that for a caveman
> character, he's just too cliched. All the usual suspect cliches are
> there - mispronouncing another character's name, riding a dinosaur
> (siiigh), liking rock music, having a sloping brow, and so on.
I know that was a definite turn-off for me.Re: Fenton's mother
> <<unfortunately, the second season really hit rock bottom for me, as I
>
> found both bubba and "gizmoduck" to be rather one dimensional gimmick
> characters (and "Ma" Crackshell...<<shudder!>>)...>>
> Actually, she was always referred to as MRS. Crackshell. You may be
> confusing her with Ma Beagle. But please continue...
Others refered to her as MRS. Crackshell (a cool name, by the way!) But
Fenton himself called her "mama," with the stress on the second
syllable.
> Except for the much-praised "made-over Daisy," it came and went like
> the
> proverbial dose of salts.
Having seen a grand total of 2 and 1/2 episodes, I can't really judge,
with but I wasn't thrilled with what I saw. I did, however, like the
new look for Daisy. I've always thought that big bow made her look a
bit outdated and childish. The rest of her traditional clothing was
fine, but that bow gets on my nerves. But then, I tend to be horribly
picky sometimes!!! ;-)(Obscure animation-related fact: the same
actress does the voice for both Daisy on QP and Morgana on Darkwing
Duck.)
> The llama, by the way, appeared in part two, "Wrongway in Ronguay." I
>
> immediately thought of the llama in the Barks story "The Prize of
> Pizarro."
Absolutely! There were also numerous llamas in "The Secret of the
Incas" with Brigitta, which was recently published in the US for the
first time.
> BTW recent digests seem to suggest that people are under the false
> impression that this is a Disney *animation* ml, which it one of the
> few things it officially isn't. I'm just stating that as a fact, not
> an attack on you, Christopher, or others. I know where the PageDown
> is when the subjects occasionally go too off-topic for my taste.
Thanks for your tolerance, but I don't really consider it *completely*
off topic. (Well, maybe a little, but there's obviously some interest
because the discussion keeps going on.) Especially the comparasons of
various characters and their screen translations.
Re: Scrooge's many romances...
> Another of Scrooge's old flames appears in a Strobl story in U$ 78
> from 1968, "I. O. U. ... But Who?"
> LONG SPOILER: Scrooge finds an old I-Owe-You note for a few dollars,
> but can't read the signature. Looking through his photo album, he
> finds likely candidates for the debt. <SNIP>. Finally he comes to
> Rosie Goldilocks, and her photo has the legend "Dear friend, I know
> how much I owe you." <SNIP> (she gives) Scrooge a big kiss when he
> arrives. <SNIP> Scrooge once saved her from drowning, she promised
> to become his wife ("M-m-my w-wife?!") She admits however, she did it
> to save the plantation and Scrooge promises to put a lot of money into
> it - obviously relieved to get away so easily.
I do remember this story! I was going to bring it up, but I keep
forgetting.I believe in the American version, the words of the photo are
"I'll always be in debt to you". Her name, if memory serves me right,
was Minnie Pearl, (which was also the name of a former commedienne on
"The Grand Ole Opry" here in the States.) I'll add her to the list...
1. Glittering Goldie O'Gilt
2. Brigitta MacBridge
3. Millionera Vanderbucks
4. Belle Duck
5. Money Quack
6. Minnie Pearl/Rosie Goldilocks
Notice I have cut Grandma Duck and Miss Quackfaster from the list, as
there is no evidence anywhere to back up these theories.
Quack!
Katie Sullivan
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
"Somebody owes you a billion dollars and they skip town every time!" ~
$crooge, "Back to the Klondike"
Katie Sullivan
Duckburg weather
Message 445 -
1998-01-28 at 01:53:11
Duckburg is generally considered to be somewhere on the Pacific ocean,
in the United States. Yet in a couple stories, (including the one with
the frog jumping contest,) they are hit by "hurricanes". Often this
term is used to describe any great storm, but technically "hurricanes"
only form in the tropics (the exact same type of storm as a typhoon).
Of course, this is just a fictional universe, so if the meteorology
doesn't match up logically, no one should really raise any eyebrows. As
an aspiring tropical meteorologist, however, this caught my attention.
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #35
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in the United States. Yet in a couple stories, (including the one with
the frog jumping contest,) they are hit by "hurricanes". Often this
term is used to describe any great storm, but technically "hurricanes"
only form in the tropics (the exact same type of storm as a typhoon).
Of course, this is just a fictional universe, so if the meteorology
doesn't match up logically, no one should really raise any eyebrows. As
an aspiring tropical meteorologist, however, this caught my attention.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #35
*****************************************
Bror Hellman
Duckburg weather
Message 446 -
1998-01-28 at 11:44:35
> Duckburg is generally considered to be somewhere on the Pacific ocean,
> in the United States. Yet in a couple stories, (including the one
with
> the frog jumping contest,) they are hit by "hurricanes". Often this
> term is used to describe any great storm, but technically "hurricanes"
> only form in the tropics (the exact same type of storm as a typhoon).
> Of course, this is just a fictional universe, so if the meteorology
> doesn't match up logically, no one should really raise any eyebrows.
As
> an aspiring tropical meteorologist, however, this caught my attention.
Well.. If you should judge by the comics... Only by reading Barks
himself seems to place Duckburg and Calisota in the general vincinity of
Canada, Minnesota, California and Brasil... ;-)
/ Steamboat Willie
> in the United States. Yet in a couple stories, (including the one
with
> the frog jumping contest,) they are hit by "hurricanes". Often this
> term is used to describe any great storm, but technically "hurricanes"
> only form in the tropics (the exact same type of storm as a typhoon).
> Of course, this is just a fictional universe, so if the meteorology
> doesn't match up logically, no one should really raise any eyebrows.
As
> an aspiring tropical meteorologist, however, this caught my attention.
Well.. If you should judge by the comics... Only by reading Barks
himself seems to place Duckburg and Calisota in the general vincinity of
Canada, Minnesota, California and Brasil... ;-)
/ Steamboat Willie
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #35
Message 447 -
1998-01-28 at 12:20:16
RICH:
Hot damn! I knew the Gulf Oil comics used Fethry stories, but I
*never* suspected Hard Haid Moe had made an American appearance in one.
Interestingly, the story suggests that Donald hasn't met Moe before, so
it could be one of Moe's first appearances. (I say "one of" because
there's *another* Moe story where Donald acts like he hasn't met Moe
before, one from 1965 which I've discussed with Harry Fluks...)
The story you've got is none that I've ever seen before (and to
the best of my knowledge, I don't know of a European publication from
which we could derive a code). But it's drawn by Al Hubbard and comes
from the X-coded program. X is for "Xtra," which means that it was a
story produced in American English by the usual crew at Western
Publishing in the 1960s - but not for use in the Gold Key comics. It was
made *exclusively* for use *outside* of those comics - in American
giveaway specials like the one you have, but mainly overseas (where the
vast majority of X-coded stories were regularly published, for example
by the Italians and by Egmont).
Toward the end of the 1960s the X-coded program became the
S-coded program - for "studio," Disney Studio. Now (I'm led to believe)
Western Publishing dropped out of the picture and the Disney Studio in
Burbank began to commission the material themselves, continuing on with
some of Western's artists and writers but hiring many of their own, too.
Got any more of these things with a scanner at the ready? The
Gulf Oil comics were where I remembered reading Fethry stories as a kid
- they were published before I was born, but I borrowed them from
neighbor kids. Sadly, I haven't seen any since I was about 9.
David
<(Email removed)>
Hot damn! I knew the Gulf Oil comics used Fethry stories, but I
*never* suspected Hard Haid Moe had made an American appearance in one.
Interestingly, the story suggests that Donald hasn't met Moe before, so
it could be one of Moe's first appearances. (I say "one of" because
there's *another* Moe story where Donald acts like he hasn't met Moe
before, one from 1965 which I've discussed with Harry Fluks...)
The story you've got is none that I've ever seen before (and to
the best of my knowledge, I don't know of a European publication from
which we could derive a code). But it's drawn by Al Hubbard and comes
from the X-coded program. X is for "Xtra," which means that it was a
story produced in American English by the usual crew at Western
Publishing in the 1960s - but not for use in the Gold Key comics. It was
made *exclusively* for use *outside* of those comics - in American
giveaway specials like the one you have, but mainly overseas (where the
vast majority of X-coded stories were regularly published, for example
by the Italians and by Egmont).
Toward the end of the 1960s the X-coded program became the
S-coded program - for "studio," Disney Studio. Now (I'm led to believe)
Western Publishing dropped out of the picture and the Disney Studio in
Burbank began to commission the material themselves, continuing on with
some of Western's artists and writers but hiring many of their own, too.
Got any more of these things with a scanner at the ready? The
Gulf Oil comics were where I remembered reading Fethry stories as a kid
- they were published before I was born, but I borrowed them from
neighbor kids. Sadly, I haven't seen any since I was about 9.
David
<(Email removed)>
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #35
Message 448 -
1998-01-28 at 12:27:32
RICH:
Yipe, I replied to you without ever answering the question you
asked!
Here's me the other day:
>>BTW, Rich, you've mentioned QUACK PACK recently as paying
>>homage to such characters as Fethry and Hard Haid Moe. While I'd
>>like to think this was the case, the fact is that the show's producers
>>went ahead without even knowing who Gladstone Gander was (and
>>so didn't use him).
To which you replied:
>Although I'm not exactly sure why you mentioned Gladstone (perhaps
>you mean Fethry?)
I meant Gladstone. I was simply saying that since "Quack Pack"'s
staff didn't seem to have read enough Duck comics even to know who a
prominent character like Gladstone Gander was, I figured they most
*certainly* would never have known who the comparatively obscure
*Fethry* was, not to mention the even more unknown Moe. (I say "obscure"
and "unknown" with regard to USA appearances only, natch.)
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Yipe, I replied to you without ever answering the question you
asked!
Here's me the other day:
>>BTW, Rich, you've mentioned QUACK PACK recently as paying
>>homage to such characters as Fethry and Hard Haid Moe. While I'd
>>like to think this was the case, the fact is that the show's producers
>>went ahead without even knowing who Gladstone Gander was (and
>>so didn't use him).
To which you replied:
>Although I'm not exactly sure why you mentioned Gladstone (perhaps
>you mean Fethry?)
I meant Gladstone. I was simply saying that since "Quack Pack"'s
staff didn't seem to have read enough Duck comics even to know who a
prominent character like Gladstone Gander was, I figured they most
*certainly* would never have known who the comparatively obscure
*Fethry* was, not to mention the even more unknown Moe. (I say "obscure"
and "unknown" with regard to USA appearances only, natch.)
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Bror Hellman
Translations, etc.
Message 449 -
1998-01-28 at 12:54:44
Eta Beta:
> Mark Twain is quite popular in Italy as well, and the legend about his
name
> is well known, so I think the translator purposedly avoided the Mark
Twain reference.
I wonder why they would do such a thing.
Editors do strange things sometimes, and without knowing their
resoning, their actions seems very strange.
In Swedish Kalle Anka & C:o in the 70ies they changed all references
to existing countries. In "The Gilded Man" for example, the map of
south amerika behind Donald in one panel was repainted to feature some
sort of irregular shape instead. i suppose they tried to indicate some
unknown island.
/ Steamboat Willie
> Mark Twain is quite popular in Italy as well, and the legend about his
name
> is well known, so I think the translator purposedly avoided the Mark
Twain reference.
I wonder why they would do such a thing.
Editors do strange things sometimes, and without knowing their
resoning, their actions seems very strange.
In Swedish Kalle Anka & C:o in the 70ies they changed all references
to existing countries. In "The Gilded Man" for example, the map of
south amerika behind Donald in one panel was repainted to feature some
sort of irregular shape instead. i suppose they tried to indicate some
unknown island.
/ Steamboat Willie
PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO,BARRETO
3 cubic acres... say, 49,037,546.99915m3
Message 450 -
1998-01-28 at 15:44:56
Greetings, Ducklings...
Acres really don't make much sense ouside North America. Nor the
discussion on the cubic feet equivalent of Scrooge's three cubic
acres... we Metric System users can't understand it anyway. So I
decided to go through calculations myself...
According to the Good Old Not So Greatly Acclaimed Windows Calculator,
if the money bin is square, it is 366.0240137706m on each side. Wow!
However, in most stories the money bin appears to be much smaller --
unless it has a huge basement. Otherwise, when considering the three
cubic acres' ( 49,037,546.99915m3 for non-Americans) canon, the money
bin is by far the world's largest building (and by far the world's
biggest strategical blunder in the History of finance, for no one
could leave such a fortune in a single place -- and completely stationary!)
[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed)
Acres really don't make much sense ouside North America. Nor the
discussion on the cubic feet equivalent of Scrooge's three cubic
acres... we Metric System users can't understand it anyway. So I
decided to go through calculations myself...
According to the Good Old Not So Greatly Acclaimed Windows Calculator,
if the money bin is square, it is 366.0240137706m on each side. Wow!
However, in most stories the money bin appears to be much smaller --
unless it has a huge basement. Otherwise, when considering the three
cubic acres' ( 49,037,546.99915m3 for non-Americans) canon, the money
bin is by far the world's largest building (and by far the world's
biggest strategical blunder in the History of finance, for no one
could leave such a fortune in a single place -- and completely stationary!)
[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed)