KATIE SULLIVAN:
<<I realize in the rest of the world "football" refers to what we
Americans call "soccer", but bear with me. The Super Bowl reminded
me...wasn't there a comic where Scrooge jumped into a football game when
the nephews were losing? He said something about having played in the
old days. Anyone else remember this obscure little story? I think
Grandma Duck was in it.>>
I believe that this story was "September Scrimmage." It appeared in the
'57 MICKEY MOUSE ALMANAC. There was a good gag in there about Scrooge
running a trick play by hiding the ball in his top hat.
BTW, where do you imagine Scrooge got the time to play football as a young
man? At the time he would have been "of age" to do so, he was busy in the
American West with his empire-building. Perhaps some galoots from Back East
(where the Ivy League schools like Yale and Harvard still dominated the game
on the collegiate level) brought a ball with them when they went out West and
allowed Scrooge to play in their scrimmages.
STEVEN ROWE:
<<I find the recent recollections of the Duck Tales fans interesting. I'm of
the older generation, and I recall the talk of Barks fans when DT started was
basicaly negative. They hated the show, and they hated the comics. The only
thing they liked was Uncle Scrooge toys... Now that you young folks have
grown up, I guess that I will be hearing alot more fond nostalgia about DT.>>
As has been pointed out before by several people, not just me, the "old
sourdoughs"' dismissal of DUCKTALES was short-sighted, not recognizing that
the new ideas in the TV series could actually ADD something to the Ducks'
world. (It's all of a piece with new characters being created for the
European Duck comics -- they, too, have added something to the Duck-universe.)
For this reason, I honestly don't feel that discussing the DUCKTALES world
in these pages (?) is totally "off-topic". That world has appeared in comics
form
and is just as legitimate as the world of Brigitta, "Super Donald", and
other "overseas-generated" denizens.
RICH BELLACERA:
<<As for "Quack Pack" in general, other than the relatively good
animation, the glance into the future WRT HD&L, the great
revamping of Daisy, and the ocassional appearance of LvD (and
the kids as the T-Squad), there's nothing else that I find redeeming...>>
That pretty much sums it up, IMHO.
>Actually, she was always referred to as MRS. Crackshell. You
>may be confusing her with Ma Beagle....
<<Except when Fenton is calling her "M' Ma">>
What I meant was that no one actually calls her "MA Crackshell" as
opposed to MRS. Crackshell.
<<Since we're talking about DT's have you (anyone) ever noticed the
recurring background character called "Vacation van Hump" who is
a large "Gus Goose" like character wearing a Hawaiian shirt. He
appears in several episodes, but never as an important character.
The one episode that comes to mind off hand is the Duckworth one
where he is waiting at a bus stop and is captured by aliens. Van
Hump is also at the bus stop at the beginning and end of the episode.>>
VVH spoke in two episodes that I can think of: "Magica's Shadow War"
and "Sir Gyro de Gearloose" (in which he upbraids Gyro for a defective
invention). He was mute in the ep you mention, "Duckworth's Revolt".
The weird thing about VVH is that they took sufficient trouble
to give him a name and a reasonably consistent appearance, yet never
did anything really substantial with him! Perhaps his biggest moment
of glory came when he was one of the invitees to Scrooge's birthday
party in "Sweet Duck of Youth". How'd he wangle an invite to THAT
shindig?
-- Christopher E. Barat
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Digest V98 #34-36
Message 481 -
1998-01-30 at 01:57:19
Stefan Diös
Disney comics Digest V98 #37
Message 482 -
1998-01-30 at 03:45:28
DON MARKSTEIN:
> I'm glad you like "The New Look". But I'm afraid I can't
> take much credit for the "lawyer lingo" -- I lifted words like
> "obsquatumatillions" and phrases like "Flickus flackus
> fumdeedledum" right out of Barks.
I know... thats what I like! Some little reference to the old classics once
in a while can surely raise a story... we just need to be careful we use it
properly and don't overdo it...
HARRY:
>If people want the original intention of a comic, they
>should read it in the original language.
>If they just want to enjoy the story, they should
>read the translation.
>If they want to enjoy the efforts of the translator,
>they should read the translation AND the original.
Hear! Hear! There's another wise man.
>I often like to see what a translator did with
>a story (you can call that one of my hobbies).
I know exactly what you mean... only in my case it's beginning to look like
a professional disease... I can't even watch TV or movies without constantly
checking the subtitles to compare subconsciously...
>The "thinking boxes" story (WDC 141). In
>the final panel, Donald says something to
>the rabbit (I don't even recall what). In the
>Dutch translation, he simply says "KWAAK
>KWAAK KWAAK!"
>(Looking at the art, I think the Dutch had
>no English original when the translation was
>made. Maybe the Scandinavian and/or
>German versions had a similar "translation"?)
As far as I can recall, we had "real" dialogue in Sweden. I could give other
examples, however, of less successful instances.
Thanks for your input, Harry (and others).
MARCO:
>BROR:
>
>>I wonder why they would do such a thing.
>
> ;-)
>
>
>(Sorry, I couldn't resist that. The inside joke is for those who followed my
>polemics on Italian translations on this list about one year ago)
Ahem. Would this be too lengthy to recap, in which case I'd need to find
those old Digests? Did I miss another joke, like I do so often in the comics...?
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
> I'm glad you like "The New Look". But I'm afraid I can't
> take much credit for the "lawyer lingo" -- I lifted words like
> "obsquatumatillions" and phrases like "Flickus flackus
> fumdeedledum" right out of Barks.
I know... thats what I like! Some little reference to the old classics once
in a while can surely raise a story... we just need to be careful we use it
properly and don't overdo it...
HARRY:
>If people want the original intention of a comic, they
>should read it in the original language.
>If they just want to enjoy the story, they should
>read the translation.
>If they want to enjoy the efforts of the translator,
>they should read the translation AND the original.
Hear! Hear! There's another wise man.
>I often like to see what a translator did with
>a story (you can call that one of my hobbies).
I know exactly what you mean... only in my case it's beginning to look like
a professional disease... I can't even watch TV or movies without constantly
checking the subtitles to compare subconsciously...
>The "thinking boxes" story (WDC 141). In
>the final panel, Donald says something to
>the rabbit (I don't even recall what). In the
>Dutch translation, he simply says "KWAAK
>KWAAK KWAAK!"
>(Looking at the art, I think the Dutch had
>no English original when the translation was
>made. Maybe the Scandinavian and/or
>German versions had a similar "translation"?)
As far as I can recall, we had "real" dialogue in Sweden. I could give other
examples, however, of less successful instances.
Thanks for your input, Harry (and others).
MARCO:
>BROR:
>
>>I wonder why they would do such a thing.
>
> ;-)
>
>
>(Sorry, I couldn't resist that. The inside joke is for those who followed my
>polemics on Italian translations on this list about one year ago)
Ahem. Would this be too lengthy to recap, in which case I'd need to find
those old Digests? Did I miss another joke, like I do so often in the comics...?
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
David B. Fenske
Metric
Message 483 -
1998-01-30 at 08:08:55
>Anyway,
>if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for where he
>lives, he's probably Canadian.
>
>--Dwight Decker
>
Hmmmm.... remember National Geographic did a survey last year (or in the
last few years) and discovered that a *large* percentage of Americans
couldn't locate the USA on a world map? And even larger numbers didn't
know where most of the countries in the world were?
So, maybe Canadians are more comfy using the NA term, cuz we knows our
geography better ! :-) [big smiley]
[The above is *NOT* intended to disparage any of the knowledgeable
Americans on this list, of course.]
Dave F.
>if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for where he
>lives, he's probably Canadian.
>
>--Dwight Decker
>
Hmmmm.... remember National Geographic did a survey last year (or in the
last few years) and discovered that a *large* percentage of Americans
couldn't locate the USA on a world map? And even larger numbers didn't
know where most of the countries in the world were?
So, maybe Canadians are more comfy using the NA term, cuz we knows our
geography better ! :-) [big smiley]
[The above is *NOT* intended to disparage any of the knowledgeable
Americans on this list, of course.]
Dave F.
Shaun M. Knowler
Disney comics Digest V98 #37
Message 484 -
1998-01-30 at 08:27:24
DWIGHT said:
> if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for
> where he lives, he's probably Canadian.
Boy did this get me laughing! All of my correspondants will certainly know
this to be true with me! I guess we're just sick of Americans getting all
the credit for this huge continent. ;)
Hmm... speaking of Canadian "stereotypes" and the such, would anyone think
that the heavy use of "eh" in Don Rosa's "War of the Wendigo" be one of
the reasons Disney doesn't approve of the story? I doubt it, because as
Dwight said, USers rarley think of Canada. I certainly wasn't offended, I
thought it was great! Canada is such a rare setting for most American
products, and I was happy to see the Ducks north of the border again.
Don't forget, $crooge first struck it rich up here! :)
Proud of the last 2 letters in my e-mail address,
-Shaun
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
> if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for
> where he lives, he's probably Canadian.
Boy did this get me laughing! All of my correspondants will certainly know
this to be true with me! I guess we're just sick of Americans getting all
the credit for this huge continent. ;)
Hmm... speaking of Canadian "stereotypes" and the such, would anyone think
that the heavy use of "eh" in Don Rosa's "War of the Wendigo" be one of
the reasons Disney doesn't approve of the story? I doubt it, because as
Dwight said, USers rarley think of Canada. I certainly wasn't offended, I
thought it was great! Canada is such a rare setting for most American
products, and I was happy to see the Ducks north of the border again.
Don't forget, $crooge first struck it rich up here! :)
Proud of the last 2 letters in my e-mail address,
-Shaun
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
Bror Hellman
Gladstone Ganders fame!
Message 485 -
1998-01-30 at 08:55:43
Donald Markstein:
> Several years ago, I had a disagreement with a friend
> over whether or not Gladstone Gander was known to the general
> public -- I said he was; my friend said he wasn't. We settled
> the matter by asking the next ten people we saw if they knew who
> he was. I won.
Well... I recently had a similar experience. In Sweden (and most of
Scandinavia I think) Gladstone and $crooge are icons and types for Luck
or Greed..
They are so well-known that they are used as sayings. "Lucky like a
Gander", "Greedy Like McDuck" and so on...
I was rather suprised when I listened to radio the other day and heard
a politician who didn't know who Gladstone was. Although he had heard
the saying once, he didn't know where it came from.
And Disney Comics have been one of the best-selling publications for
the last fifty years...
Bror. (of the nations Donald Duck party... :-)
> Several years ago, I had a disagreement with a friend
> over whether or not Gladstone Gander was known to the general
> public -- I said he was; my friend said he wasn't. We settled
> the matter by asking the next ten people we saw if they knew who
> he was. I won.
Well... I recently had a similar experience. In Sweden (and most of
Scandinavia I think) Gladstone and $crooge are icons and types for Luck
or Greed..
They are so well-known that they are used as sayings. "Lucky like a
Gander", "Greedy Like McDuck" and so on...
I was rather suprised when I listened to radio the other day and heard
a politician who didn't know who Gladstone was. Although he had heard
the saying once, he didn't know where it came from.
And Disney Comics have been one of the best-selling publications for
the last fifty years...
Bror. (of the nations Donald Duck party... :-)
Bror Hellman
Digest #35 (Translating Mark Twain)
Message 486 -
1998-01-30 at 11:28:22
> ETA BETA:
>
> > Just because of Mark Twain's popularity Scrooge's line could
> >easily have been left exactly as it was, in *English*, while the
> "Gyroid"
> >comment could then have been translated literally, respecting the
> original
>gag without even the need for a footnote
PYAS:
> I gather that this view is shared by Mike, and perchance even by my
> excellent friend Br'er "Steamboat" Hellman.
Thanks for considering me as your "excellent friend" even though I
haven't contacted you in quite a while... Sorry about that... Thank's fr
the Christmas Card btw. My own personal Jiminy Cricket was rather harsh
with me for forgetting you when I sent my own.
Well.. I think that Mark Twains _name_ is well known enough in
Sweden.. So you could always use references to him and his name.. He is
well-known and very few Swedes can't remember Huck Finn.
But as to the nature of how he got his name - I truly think it's
impossible to use without a foot-note or if the
actual story was included in the story.
I think such extended footnotes as such a prucedure would require
would be too much for a main-stream publication, but I would like to see
it published like you did it know, and then a one-page article about
Mark Twain, his name, and how you couldn't translate it verbatim. :-)
Such little "meta"-articles _really_ enhances my reading-experience!
Maybe I read too many "Bamse" (Swedish childrens-comic about a bear and
featuring such articles about the stories) but I like these
articles.
> Seein' as how these fine people
> outnumber me by several hundred percent, one might surmise that I'd be
> tempted to change my ways. Not so! I'm adamant about this. Scrooge
speaking
> English all of a sudden, in a Swedish comic, just because I can't
translate
> a gag with little or no bearing on the story? Even in this case, it
would
> look perfectly absurd to me. I would never even consider that.
I think you did your best and your opinion is the same as my own.
Sometimes I can think of something better that you have missed (like
with our conversation a couple of years ago considering afrikaan and
boer translated into Swedish) but that is _very_ uncommon.
About the currency-bit... I think you should use "Kr" when the story
is in Duckburg and other clearly "in country", "in calisota" or "in
duckburg" places since that is how the Swedish "Duckburg world" is
established in our language. But you should - in my opinion - use local
currencies when clearly in the west or clearly out of Sweden... It
adds some flavour that I miss when I'm reading the - in my opinion -
inferior translations.
/ Steamboat Willie
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Everything I can pry loose is not nailed down.
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>
> > Just because of Mark Twain's popularity Scrooge's line could
> >easily have been left exactly as it was, in *English*, while the
> "Gyroid"
> >comment could then have been translated literally, respecting the
> original
>gag without even the need for a footnote
PYAS:
> I gather that this view is shared by Mike, and perchance even by my
> excellent friend Br'er "Steamboat" Hellman.
Thanks for considering me as your "excellent friend" even though I
haven't contacted you in quite a while... Sorry about that... Thank's fr
the Christmas Card btw. My own personal Jiminy Cricket was rather harsh
with me for forgetting you when I sent my own.
Well.. I think that Mark Twains _name_ is well known enough in
Sweden.. So you could always use references to him and his name.. He is
well-known and very few Swedes can't remember Huck Finn.
But as to the nature of how he got his name - I truly think it's
impossible to use without a foot-note or if the
actual story was included in the story.
I think such extended footnotes as such a prucedure would require
would be too much for a main-stream publication, but I would like to see
it published like you did it know, and then a one-page article about
Mark Twain, his name, and how you couldn't translate it verbatim. :-)
Such little "meta"-articles _really_ enhances my reading-experience!
Maybe I read too many "Bamse" (Swedish childrens-comic about a bear and
featuring such articles about the stories) but I like these
articles.
> Seein' as how these fine people
> outnumber me by several hundred percent, one might surmise that I'd be
> tempted to change my ways. Not so! I'm adamant about this. Scrooge
speaking
> English all of a sudden, in a Swedish comic, just because I can't
translate
> a gag with little or no bearing on the story? Even in this case, it
would
> look perfectly absurd to me. I would never even consider that.
I think you did your best and your opinion is the same as my own.
Sometimes I can think of something better that you have missed (like
with our conversation a couple of years ago considering afrikaan and
boer translated into Swedish) but that is _very_ uncommon.
About the currency-bit... I think you should use "Kr" when the story
is in Duckburg and other clearly "in country", "in calisota" or "in
duckburg" places since that is how the Swedish "Duckburg world" is
established in our language. But you should - in my opinion - use local
currencies when clearly in the west or clearly out of Sweden... It
adds some flavour that I miss when I'm reading the - in my opinion -
inferior translations.
/ Steamboat Willie
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Anything not nailed down is mine.
Everything I can pry loose is not nailed down.
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http://www.angelfire.com/wi/SteamboatWillie/
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Another interesting Moe fact
Message 487 -
1998-01-30 at 11:33:15
RICH, MARCO:
Having actually sat down to *read* "It's Music?" after finally
identifying and locating it, I made quite a surprising discovery - in
this first Moe story (X 4029), he's called Hog Haid Moe, not Hard Haid
Moe! Weird that they changed the name for the stories that followed
(although I guess I know why... Hog Haid suggests a pigfaced character,
which Moe isn't).
This also explains why one of our Australian readers
occasionally substituted "Hog" for "Hard" when referring to the
character four years ago, when we first discussed his English name. He
probably read that first story when it was published there. And I
thought he had made a typo... (my apologies, whoever you were, if you're
still on the list! ;-)
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Having actually sat down to *read* "It's Music?" after finally
identifying and locating it, I made quite a surprising discovery - in
this first Moe story (X 4029), he's called Hog Haid Moe, not Hard Haid
Moe! Weird that they changed the name for the stories that followed
(although I guess I know why... Hog Haid suggests a pigfaced character,
which Moe isn't).
This also explains why one of our Australian readers
occasionally substituted "Hog" for "Hard" when referring to the
character four years ago, when we first discussed his English name. He
probably read that first story when it was published there. And I
thought he had made a typo... (my apologies, whoever you were, if you're
still on the list! ;-)
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Nils Lid Hjort
Public Lecture on Donaldistic History Falsification!
Message 488 -
1998-01-30 at 17:26:23
My esteemed colleague Oeystein Soerensen, Professor of History at the
University of Oslo and a well-known writer on various historical topics,
including meay aspects of European nationalism through the centuries, and
whose last book was about Bjoernstjerne Bjoernson, and who is, despite being
an occasional reader of our Disney Comics-maillist, being an avid Barksist and
Rosaist and knower of even minor details of the Beccatini Index, probably too
modest to mention this here himself, gives a
PUBLIC LECTURE
with the title
HISTORY FALSIFICATION IN DONALD DUCK STORIES
(ok then, it's in Norwegian, "Historieforfalskning i Donald Duck"),
TUESDAY FEBRUARY 3rd, at 16:15,
as part of the wonderfully expansive and creative
BIOERNEGILDET 98
week (the association of students of mathematical science oriented topics,
more or less, organises this every year). Where? In "Store fysiske auditorium",
Fysikkbygget, University campus, Blindern. (And it's free, isn't it?)
Nils Lid Hjort
[Look also for other public lectures of interest during the Bioernegildet week:
"Sex and violence among the dinosaurs", "Sexual traumas and the memory of
humans", "How many elementary particles are there?" (the anwer is: 12),
"Intelligent oil wells", "Can a curve fill the space?", "How Statistics
Professor Hjort changed Olympic history" (oops, that was the previous year).]
University of Oslo and a well-known writer on various historical topics,
including meay aspects of European nationalism through the centuries, and
whose last book was about Bjoernstjerne Bjoernson, and who is, despite being
an occasional reader of our Disney Comics-maillist, being an avid Barksist and
Rosaist and knower of even minor details of the Beccatini Index, probably too
modest to mention this here himself, gives a
PUBLIC LECTURE
with the title
HISTORY FALSIFICATION IN DONALD DUCK STORIES
(ok then, it's in Norwegian, "Historieforfalskning i Donald Duck"),
TUESDAY FEBRUARY 3rd, at 16:15,
as part of the wonderfully expansive and creative
BIOERNEGILDET 98
week (the association of students of mathematical science oriented topics,
more or less, organises this every year). Where? In "Store fysiske auditorium",
Fysikkbygget, University campus, Blindern. (And it's free, isn't it?)
Nils Lid Hjort
[Look also for other public lectures of interest during the Bioernegildet week:
"Sex and violence among the dinosaurs", "Sexual traumas and the memory of
humans", "How many elementary particles are there?" (the anwer is: 12),
"Intelligent oil wells", "Can a curve fill the space?", "How Statistics
Professor Hjort changed Olympic history" (oops, that was the previous year).]
Nils Lid Hjort
Rosa's musical quotation(s)
Message 489 -
1998-01-30 at 17:42:46
Music mode: I trust this is
**warning: not a spoiler**
for the American continent, the inhabitants of which can not yet read this
month's very appropriately timed anniversary story by Don Rosa on Gladstone
Gander [50 years this month since WDC&S #88], published in the Scandinavian
countries last week: The Rosa story does contain a musical quotation, which is
easily recognisable (you can almost hear it!), and well placed. A good &
interesting story which should be debated here a little more -- but I guess we
shall have to wait for the Americans to read it (in WDC&S?) half a year from
now.
But I would like to know the answer to a question posed by someone else more
than a month ago, about a certain musical quotation placed by Rosa at the
end of "A Little Something Special". I have the Scandinavian version, not yet
the American version, of this story, and at least there only a rhytm is given,
no staves & no bars, and I haven't understood what piece of music this is.
Time to inform the list, please, whoever so snugly & obviously knew (and
therefore asked us). [I apologise if I've missed it; I haven't been able to
read the list so carefully the last month. At least I made a quick search and
didn't find anything more about this topic.]
Nils Lid Hjort
**warning: not a spoiler**
for the American continent, the inhabitants of which can not yet read this
month's very appropriately timed anniversary story by Don Rosa on Gladstone
Gander [50 years this month since WDC&S #88], published in the Scandinavian
countries last week: The Rosa story does contain a musical quotation, which is
easily recognisable (you can almost hear it!), and well placed. A good &
interesting story which should be debated here a little more -- but I guess we
shall have to wait for the Americans to read it (in WDC&S?) half a year from
now.
But I would like to know the answer to a question posed by someone else more
than a month ago, about a certain musical quotation placed by Rosa at the
end of "A Little Something Special". I have the Scandinavian version, not yet
the American version, of this story, and at least there only a rhytm is given,
no staves & no bars, and I haven't understood what piece of music this is.
Time to inform the list, please, whoever so snugly & obviously knew (and
therefore asked us). [I apologise if I've missed it; I haven't been able to
read the list so carefully the last month. At least I made a quick search and
didn't find anything more about this topic.]
Nils Lid Hjort
Nils Lid Hjort
Barks, Grandey & Morby, Hamilton?
Message 490 -
1998-01-30 at 17:48:01
I recently heard via another source that something had been happening
recently, or at least seemed to be in the process of sorting itself out,
regarding the law cases involving Barks, Grandey & Morby ("Carl Barks Studio"),
and Bruce Hamilton (Another Rainbow etc.). Can anyone inform us? What is the
current status of the affairs? What are the (tentative) decisions and their
consequences?
Nils Lid Hjort
recently, or at least seemed to be in the process of sorting itself out,
regarding the law cases involving Barks, Grandey & Morby ("Carl Barks Studio"),
and Bruce Hamilton (Another Rainbow etc.). Can anyone inform us? What is the
current status of the affairs? What are the (tentative) decisions and their
consequences?
Nils Lid Hjort
Marco Barlotti
Mountain Magic
Message 491 -
1998-01-30 at 18:59:42
DAVID:
> The cuts in "Mountain Magic" as presented in WWOD 1 amount to
>just three panels' worth.
>
Are you saying this by way of comparison with the ORIGINAL layout of the
story? Or with the ITALIAN version?
In the Italian version ,as I said in an earlier posting, the last panel is
clearly redrawn to fito into the available space.
Now, in case you have access to the ORIGINAL version: was it in 3-tier or
4-tier format? If it was in 3-tier format, what was the last panel? If in
4-tier format, how could the USA edition cut off JUST three or four panels
here and there?
I'm puzzled.
Marco
> The cuts in "Mountain Magic" as presented in WWOD 1 amount to
>just three panels' worth.
>
Are you saying this by way of comparison with the ORIGINAL layout of the
story? Or with the ITALIAN version?
In the Italian version ,as I said in an earlier posting, the last panel is
clearly redrawn to fito into the available space.
Now, in case you have access to the ORIGINAL version: was it in 3-tier or
4-tier format? If it was in 3-tier format, what was the last panel? If in
4-tier format, how could the USA edition cut off JUST three or four panels
here and there?
I'm puzzled.
Marco
Rich Pegasus
Disney comics Digest V98 #37
Message 492 -
1998-01-30 at 19:14:07
P.C. BARRETO:
RE: Fethry as Jungle King, Undersea King, Pena Kid and Pena de Selvas
Are you saying that none of these stories actually take place in the
Disney Universe but are just fictional stories written by the character
himself as part of his job working for $crooge? What is the name of
this newspaper and what does the acronym AFAIK mean?
HARRY FLUKS:
> Subject: Bellacera, Pegasus, or Xephyr
Yoiks! I forgot that my handle changes depending on whether I am using
Eudora or Netscape as my e-mailer... Oh well... You can usually tell
it's me since the actual address remains constant (unless of course I
e-mail in my official capacity from work...)
> I don't know the story, but I'm almost certain that it wasn't
> Holland! Have you ever been to Amsterdam? 8-)
Actually I have... and I wish to return someday. It's very beautiful,
especially during the flowering season. I even have wooden shoes I
purchased there... never found them very comfortable though. ;-)
As for the story, you surely noted it was Finland (at least I got part
of it right :-)
DWIGHT DECKER:
> if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for
> where he lives, he's probably Canadian.
This is an interesting topic considering the international component of
this list. I have tried to be "Politically Correct" in most of my posts
by using the phrase "in the States" or "USA" or "US"...of course the
last
two acronyms can be confused with "Uncle Scrooge Adventures" or "Uncle
Scrooge", thus I use "U$" and "U$A" to distinguish the difference. I
especially try not to use "American" (though I do find at times I have)
since it completely ignores the fact that Canadians, Mexicans,
Brazilians,
El Salvadorans, etc. are all ALSO "Americans." However, in my personal
polls of folks from every possible country in the world I've asked, "If
you hear the term 'American' what country of origin do you believe it
refers to?" The answer is ALWAYS "The United States." However, living
in the USA, it is my experience that we have a large foreign national
population, even in the workplace where I have even gotten in arguements
about "who constitutes an American" and have been called "arrogant" for
using the term specifically as an appellation to people and things
originating in the USA. I have been told very plainly that we from the
USA are the only folks in the world who do not have a real name for our
people (and I certainly don't like "Unitedstatians", Dwight. I'm sure
you
just used that for convenience since it's not a real word). So, in
order
to be polite, and hopefully not cause a flurry of off-topic discussion
here, is it generally acceptable by Canadians, Brazilians, and others in
the Americas that the term "American" be used to mean "of/from the
United
States"? Are there any here who find this usage arrogant or
distasteful?
It would certainly be more comfortable for me to simply say "American"
than trying to reform my sentences to accomodate "we in the USA" or
"United States" (since I refuse to use the other terms I've heard and
read:
"Usans" and "Unitedstatians"). Again, this may seem like a silly
question,
but I am trying to respect my neighbors on this List with this inquirey.
Rich Pegasus "Xephyr" Bellacera ;-) (whatever his appellation may be)
RE: Fethry as Jungle King, Undersea King, Pena Kid and Pena de Selvas
Are you saying that none of these stories actually take place in the
Disney Universe but are just fictional stories written by the character
himself as part of his job working for $crooge? What is the name of
this newspaper and what does the acronym AFAIK mean?
HARRY FLUKS:
> Subject: Bellacera, Pegasus, or Xephyr
Yoiks! I forgot that my handle changes depending on whether I am using
Eudora or Netscape as my e-mailer... Oh well... You can usually tell
it's me since the actual address remains constant (unless of course I
e-mail in my official capacity from work...)
> I don't know the story, but I'm almost certain that it wasn't
> Holland! Have you ever been to Amsterdam? 8-)
Actually I have... and I wish to return someday. It's very beautiful,
especially during the flowering season. I even have wooden shoes I
purchased there... never found them very comfortable though. ;-)
As for the story, you surely noted it was Finland (at least I got part
of it right :-)
DWIGHT DECKER:
> if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for
> where he lives, he's probably Canadian.
This is an interesting topic considering the international component of
this list. I have tried to be "Politically Correct" in most of my posts
by using the phrase "in the States" or "USA" or "US"...of course the
last
two acronyms can be confused with "Uncle Scrooge Adventures" or "Uncle
Scrooge", thus I use "U$" and "U$A" to distinguish the difference. I
especially try not to use "American" (though I do find at times I have)
since it completely ignores the fact that Canadians, Mexicans,
Brazilians,
El Salvadorans, etc. are all ALSO "Americans." However, in my personal
polls of folks from every possible country in the world I've asked, "If
you hear the term 'American' what country of origin do you believe it
refers to?" The answer is ALWAYS "The United States." However, living
in the USA, it is my experience that we have a large foreign national
population, even in the workplace where I have even gotten in arguements
about "who constitutes an American" and have been called "arrogant" for
using the term specifically as an appellation to people and things
originating in the USA. I have been told very plainly that we from the
USA are the only folks in the world who do not have a real name for our
people (and I certainly don't like "Unitedstatians", Dwight. I'm sure
you
just used that for convenience since it's not a real word). So, in
order
to be polite, and hopefully not cause a flurry of off-topic discussion
here, is it generally acceptable by Canadians, Brazilians, and others in
the Americas that the term "American" be used to mean "of/from the
United
States"? Are there any here who find this usage arrogant or
distasteful?
It would certainly be more comfortable for me to simply say "American"
than trying to reform my sentences to accomodate "we in the USA" or
"United States" (since I refuse to use the other terms I've heard and
read:
"Usans" and "Unitedstatians"). Again, this may seem like a silly
question,
but I am trying to respect my neighbors on this List with this inquirey.
Rich Pegasus "Xephyr" Bellacera ;-) (whatever his appellation may be)
Awiles
North America & $crooge Coaching
Message 493 -
1998-01-30 at 19:38:14
TO: (Email removed)
"if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for where
he lives, he's probably Canadian"
It could be school curriculum as well. It's amazing how little information
about Canada is taught in US schools.
Anyways, back to my childhood and adult love, $crooge. What issue can I
find $crooge coaching Donald in Non-American Football???
King Wog Of Norwalk, the strange collector
"if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for where
he lives, he's probably Canadian"
It could be school curriculum as well. It's amazing how little information
about Canada is taught in US schools.
Anyways, back to my childhood and adult love, $crooge. What issue can I
find $crooge coaching Donald in Non-American Football???
King Wog Of Norwalk, the strange collector
D Decker
Asterix (off-topic)
Message 494 -
1998-01-30 at 19:59:52
The subject of the French comic album series ASTERIX has come up a time or two
on this ML, and several English-speaking members have admitted to being fans of
the series. The usual problem is where to get 'em, and I just got a catalog
from a mail-order book dealer offering what looks like the entire series in
English. So, for our North American friends, I can offer a source for the
goods:
A Common Reader
141 Tompkins Avenue
Pleasantville, NY
10570-3154
They also have a website with all their books listed and on-line ordering:
www.commonreader.com
I have no connection with Common Reader other than as an occasional satisfied
customer, but I will say this. When I moved some years ago, I figured most of
the mail-order companies that send me junk mail would find me sooner or later
anyway, but this was the one company I actually sent a change of address form
to. Their book catalog celebrates the joys of literacy, and is what I turn to
when I go through one of those (rare) periods when I get tired of comic books
and want to class up the act with some Good Reading. That they've decided to
carry Asterix albums is kind of unusual for them.
We now return you to your on-topic Disney ML...
--Dwight Decker
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #38
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on this ML, and several English-speaking members have admitted to being fans of
the series. The usual problem is where to get 'em, and I just got a catalog
from a mail-order book dealer offering what looks like the entire series in
English. So, for our North American friends, I can offer a source for the
goods:
A Common Reader
141 Tompkins Avenue
Pleasantville, NY
10570-3154
They also have a website with all their books listed and on-line ordering:
www.commonreader.com
I have no connection with Common Reader other than as an occasional satisfied
customer, but I will say this. When I moved some years ago, I figured most of
the mail-order companies that send me junk mail would find me sooner or later
anyway, but this was the one company I actually sent a change of address form
to. Their book catalog celebrates the joys of literacy, and is what I turn to
when I go through one of those (rare) periods when I get tired of comic books
and want to class up the act with some Good Reading. That they've decided to
carry Asterix albums is kind of unusual for them.
We now return you to your on-topic Disney ML...
--Dwight Decker
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #38
*****************************************
Rich Pegasus
Disney comics Digest V98 #38
Message 495 -
1998-01-30 at 20:09:38
SHAUN KNOWLER:
> DWIGHT said:
> > if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for
> > where he lives, he's probably Canadian.
> Boy did this get me laughing! All of my correspondants will certainly know
> this to be true with me! I guess we're just sick of Americans getting all
> the credit for this huge continent. ;)
Of course this is a portion of my *point* from my last e-mail, which
will
apparently appear just prior to this one on the same List issue.
BROR HELLMAN:
> Well... I recently had a similar experience. In Sweden (and most of
> Scandinavia I think) Gladstone and $crooge are icons and types for Luck
> or Greed..
> They are so well-known that they are used as sayings. "Lucky like a
> Gander", "Greedy Like McDuck" and so on...
I can't speak for others here in the USA, but in my experience, we have
similar phrases here in in the USA, though I think the names of the
Disney
Characters and the origins of the "phrases are in reverse to Sweden. I
have commonly heard the name "Scrooge" used as a derogatory remark
referring
to someone as "stingy" or "miserly", but it is my belief the origin
(like
the character of Uncle Scrooge) is derived from Charles Dickens' "A
Christmas Carol", and we also use the phrase "Lucky Duck" or "Lucky
Goose".
The origin of this is not so clear, though it seems to me that it
relates
to a childrens fairytale (Hans Christian Anderson, Brothers Grimm,
????),
and here, too, Gladstone I believe is a manifestation of this phrase. I
wish Disney's secondary characters like Gladstone and others were more
familiar to the general population in the USA, but sadly that is not the
case. It is nice to know most of the younger generation are familiar
with
U$ & HD&L by way of "DuckTales", but sadly not for their comicbook and
previous classic cartoon appearances. Sweden seems to be a good example
of
how Disney Comics have found their limelight having successfully
emigrated
and assimilated far from their native home. :-(
Rich
> DWIGHT said:
> > if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for
> > where he lives, he's probably Canadian.
> Boy did this get me laughing! All of my correspondants will certainly know
> this to be true with me! I guess we're just sick of Americans getting all
> the credit for this huge continent. ;)
Of course this is a portion of my *point* from my last e-mail, which
will
apparently appear just prior to this one on the same List issue.
BROR HELLMAN:
> Well... I recently had a similar experience. In Sweden (and most of
> Scandinavia I think) Gladstone and $crooge are icons and types for Luck
> or Greed..
> They are so well-known that they are used as sayings. "Lucky like a
> Gander", "Greedy Like McDuck" and so on...
I can't speak for others here in the USA, but in my experience, we have
similar phrases here in in the USA, though I think the names of the
Disney
Characters and the origins of the "phrases are in reverse to Sweden. I
have commonly heard the name "Scrooge" used as a derogatory remark
referring
to someone as "stingy" or "miserly", but it is my belief the origin
(like
the character of Uncle Scrooge) is derived from Charles Dickens' "A
Christmas Carol", and we also use the phrase "Lucky Duck" or "Lucky
Goose".
The origin of this is not so clear, though it seems to me that it
relates
to a childrens fairytale (Hans Christian Anderson, Brothers Grimm,
????),
and here, too, Gladstone I believe is a manifestation of this phrase. I
wish Disney's secondary characters like Gladstone and others were more
familiar to the general population in the USA, but sadly that is not the
case. It is nice to know most of the younger generation are familiar
with
U$ & HD&L by way of "DuckTales", but sadly not for their comicbook and
previous classic cartoon appearances. Sweden seems to be a good example
of
how Disney Comics have found their limelight having successfully
emigrated
and assimilated far from their native home. :-(
Rich