HARRY wrote:
> But we know that Egmont has a licence to produce
> 5000 pages a year, and GP (in Holland) can produce
> 1000 pages a year. Now we only need to know the
> Italian production in 1 year to compare! 8-)
>
> Which brings me to the question: do France, Brazil
> and Italy have "page quotas" like Egmont and GP
> have?
I don't know, but the average number of pages produced by Hachette is
700 every year; will be around 1,100 in 1998. The production of Italian
stories was 5000 pages every year acc. to an article published in Italy
in 1992 (I don't know if that's true, and it has probably changed,
anyway).
BTW, the author said it was more than any other country.
JUERGEN:
>But is it really true that Branca will not ink his pencils himself
>anymore?
Yes, it is. The same artist did the inking of "Runaway Brain", a French
story by J.-L. Cochet and U. Schroder.
>I believe, I've read something like that in a text page
>in a Gladstone comic, one or two years ago.
Probably in an article by A. Becattini, "Duckman from the Pampa" (or
something like that), about Branca.
Francois
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Francois Willot
Italian stories
Message 211 -
1998-01-14 at 18:33:21
Rich Pegasus
Goldie's Bastard
Message 212 -
1998-01-14 at 18:43:05
RE: "Goldie's Bastard"
KATIE:
> Since everyone else seems to be dancing around this, I'll just come
> right out and say it. Isn't it at least *slightly* possible that
> Goldie and Scrooge *might* *theoretically* have had a child together?
Theorhetically yes, but in a Disney comic book, I sincerily doubt it.
Just reading the title "Goldie's Bastard" probably shocked not just
a few. I think you and I, and possibly everyone on the list could
handle the idea of someone, even $crooge, having a child out of wedlock.
The problem lies in the mothers and fathers, especially those
desperately looking for a new scandle to charge the Disney Company
with, would take the comic which reveals this to the National
Enquirer, etc. For a Company that has *finally* really gotten with
the 90's (now that they're almost gone) with it's company policies,
it irritates the Right far more than it cares to admit. Imagine the
accusatory headlines: "Disney Promotes Premarital Sex in Childrens
Comic Book!" This is not far-fetched, and would most assuredly happen
if it were ever revealed that Dickie Duck is really $crooge & Goldie's
granddaughter. This is why I presume Gladstone (the publisher, not the
chiseler) would choose to portray Dickie as Goldie's grand*niece*,
thus successfully side-stepping the entire issue (which unfortunately
ignores the Scarpa profile).
Actually, after reading your posting about the *inheritance* issue I
had a good chuckle. I thought about typical American Soap Operas where
a realitvely popular character suddenly has a revelation that they
have a long-lost child coming to claim the family fortune. :-) Having
Dickie placed as sole heir to the McDuck fortune would cause all of
Duckburg to gasp is astonishment! Wouldn't it be a hoot if Goldie
laid that revelation on $crooge? I think there would be a reading of
the Will shorting thereafter. ;-)
KATIE:
> Since everyone else seems to be dancing around this, I'll just come
> right out and say it. Isn't it at least *slightly* possible that
> Goldie and Scrooge *might* *theoretically* have had a child together?
Theorhetically yes, but in a Disney comic book, I sincerily doubt it.
Just reading the title "Goldie's Bastard" probably shocked not just
a few. I think you and I, and possibly everyone on the list could
handle the idea of someone, even $crooge, having a child out of wedlock.
The problem lies in the mothers and fathers, especially those
desperately looking for a new scandle to charge the Disney Company
with, would take the comic which reveals this to the National
Enquirer, etc. For a Company that has *finally* really gotten with
the 90's (now that they're almost gone) with it's company policies,
it irritates the Right far more than it cares to admit. Imagine the
accusatory headlines: "Disney Promotes Premarital Sex in Childrens
Comic Book!" This is not far-fetched, and would most assuredly happen
if it were ever revealed that Dickie Duck is really $crooge & Goldie's
granddaughter. This is why I presume Gladstone (the publisher, not the
chiseler) would choose to portray Dickie as Goldie's grand*niece*,
thus successfully side-stepping the entire issue (which unfortunately
ignores the Scarpa profile).
Actually, after reading your posting about the *inheritance* issue I
had a good chuckle. I thought about typical American Soap Operas where
a realitvely popular character suddenly has a revelation that they
have a long-lost child coming to claim the family fortune. :-) Having
Dickie placed as sole heir to the McDuck fortune would cause all of
Duckburg to gasp is astonishment! Wouldn't it be a hoot if Goldie
laid that revelation on $crooge? I think there would be a reading of
the Will shorting thereafter. ;-)
D Decker
Feathered Fracas!!
Message 213 -
1998-01-14 at 19:15:45
On Jan 13, 6:52pm, Katie Sullivan wrote:
> Subject: Feathered Fracas!!
> Might I remind you that Barks did not create Donald. If he hadn't taken
> a great deal of creative lisence with Donald, he would have remained a
> slap-stick cartoon character with a stupid voice, and we wouldn't be
> having this conversation at all!!!
>
Imagine if there had been an active comics fandom back in the
'40s (and that this kind of information was known)...
"Who does this 'Carl Barks' upstart think he is? Donald Duck isn't
an adventure character -- he's a comedy character! He should be
playing pranks that backfire on him, not having adventures in
places like Egypt! Barks is ruining the wonderful world that
Al Taliaferro created!"
Er...insert plenty of smiley emoticons, guys...
--Dwight Decker
> Subject: Feathered Fracas!!
> Might I remind you that Barks did not create Donald. If he hadn't taken
> a great deal of creative lisence with Donald, he would have remained a
> slap-stick cartoon character with a stupid voice, and we wouldn't be
> having this conversation at all!!!
>
Imagine if there had been an active comics fandom back in the
'40s (and that this kind of information was known)...
"Who does this 'Carl Barks' upstart think he is? Donald Duck isn't
an adventure character -- he's a comedy character! He should be
playing pranks that backfire on him, not having adventures in
places like Egypt! Barks is ruining the wonderful world that
Al Taliaferro created!"
Er...insert plenty of smiley emoticons, guys...
--Dwight Decker
D Decker
Dutch Story in Danish
Message 214 -
1998-01-14 at 20:30:32
I just got a copy of ANDERS AND EKSTRA 1/98
(the Danish monthly Donald Duck comic book) and
noticed there's a Dutch story reprinted in it.
It caught my eye because I translated it into
English for Gladstone going on ten years ago or
so. It's H-8565, and appeared in Uncle Scrooge #238
under the title "Ducking the Press."
In fact I remember it only too well because of the
slight headache it caused. In the story, Donald
_drives_ from Duckburg to Paris, and the story
also implies that the distance between Duckburg
and Paris can be covered by train or hitchhiking.
That's fine if the reader assumes that "Duckstad"
(to use the Dutch name for Duckburg) is in Europe,
as the writer apparently did, but not so fine for
American audiences who assume Duckburg is in the
United States (without getting into esoteric details
like "Calisota"). Byron Erickson, who was then editor
of Gladstone, had to insert some dialogue about Donald
flying to Paris and renting a car (never mind that his
rental car looked just like his "313" car at home),
and something else about flying and then taking the
train from the airport to cover the train station scene.
Outside of the Rosa stories, I doubt if the Danish version
of things worries too much about where "Andeby" exactly
is (the train station scene refers to "toget fra Paris" --
the train from Paris, as though there's a direct rail
connection), so the explanatory dialogue wasn't necessary.
I can't tell if the Danish version was translated from my
English version (as was done with the Ringtail van Dukke
story) or if it was retranslated from Dutch, but the line
about Donald's "rental car" in Paris is certainly gone.
--Dwight Decker
(the Danish monthly Donald Duck comic book) and
noticed there's a Dutch story reprinted in it.
It caught my eye because I translated it into
English for Gladstone going on ten years ago or
so. It's H-8565, and appeared in Uncle Scrooge #238
under the title "Ducking the Press."
In fact I remember it only too well because of the
slight headache it caused. In the story, Donald
_drives_ from Duckburg to Paris, and the story
also implies that the distance between Duckburg
and Paris can be covered by train or hitchhiking.
That's fine if the reader assumes that "Duckstad"
(to use the Dutch name for Duckburg) is in Europe,
as the writer apparently did, but not so fine for
American audiences who assume Duckburg is in the
United States (without getting into esoteric details
like "Calisota"). Byron Erickson, who was then editor
of Gladstone, had to insert some dialogue about Donald
flying to Paris and renting a car (never mind that his
rental car looked just like his "313" car at home),
and something else about flying and then taking the
train from the airport to cover the train station scene.
Outside of the Rosa stories, I doubt if the Danish version
of things worries too much about where "Andeby" exactly
is (the train station scene refers to "toget fra Paris" --
the train from Paris, as though there's a direct rail
connection), so the explanatory dialogue wasn't necessary.
I can't tell if the Danish version was translated from my
English version (as was done with the Ringtail van Dukke
story) or if it was retranslated from Dutch, but the line
about Donald's "rental car" in Paris is certainly gone.
--Dwight Decker
Rich Pegasus
On Fethry's Brother
Message 215 -
1998-01-14 at 20:53:21
LUCA BOSCHI:
> I'd like to write a story in which, at least, Fethry goes back
> to Whitewater place, meets him again after a long time...
Yes, do it! :-) Though I doubt any "Fethry" stories which do
not directly include Donald or $crooge would ever see print in a
Gladstone comic. But just because WE [in the USA] cannot see it,
doesn't mean other fortunate Disney fans should be deprived. :-(
Perhaps one day I will be able to find it in Europe or Brazil.
> I'd like to write a story in which, at least, Fethry goes back
> to Whitewater place, meets him again after a long time...
Yes, do it! :-) Though I doubt any "Fethry" stories which do
not directly include Donald or $crooge would ever see print in a
Gladstone comic. But just because WE [in the USA] cannot see it,
doesn't mean other fortunate Disney fans should be deprived. :-(
Perhaps one day I will be able to find it in Europe or Brazil.
Nils Helge Karstad
Don's stories
Message 216 -
1998-01-14 at 20:54:19
Daniel:
>However, a quick look will
>show that Don's Ducks have become very different of Barks' Ducks and it
>only seems to get worser.
>Don's Ducks are really no Barks-ducks at all and not even Disney-Ducks
>(I mean the work of other Disney-writers in general). Scrooge is
>becoming more and more a superhero with crooks running away when they
>see him coming from a distance, Huey, Dewey and Louie are more and
>more becoming irritating bright little kids, while Donald has become a
>very dull person who's always in for the stupid comments - which is nice,
>because then Scrooge comes out better.
MHO:
Did Barks "follow" the characters Disney, Taliaferro and other artists made?
Who have ever said that Don can't change *anything*?
I've read a lot of stories that changes Barks' original characters much more than Don's stories.
Who cares?
If you like them, so read them and have fun.
If not, ignore them.
**If you're a 'Barks-only', don't read this:**
I think Don's characters are **better** than Barks' characters.
Don't forget that this is just *my* very, very humble opinion.
BTW:
>I (Eta Beta) believe that
>an author should be allowed to do whatever he/she pleases with characters
>and plots, whithin reasonable "Disneysness", of course.
Exactly what i'm trying to say.
O/yvind
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>However, a quick look will
>show that Don's Ducks have become very different of Barks' Ducks and it
>only seems to get worser.
>Don's Ducks are really no Barks-ducks at all and not even Disney-Ducks
>(I mean the work of other Disney-writers in general). Scrooge is
>becoming more and more a superhero with crooks running away when they
>see him coming from a distance, Huey, Dewey and Louie are more and
>more becoming irritating bright little kids, while Donald has become a
>very dull person who's always in for the stupid comments - which is nice,
>because then Scrooge comes out better.
MHO:
Did Barks "follow" the characters Disney, Taliaferro and other artists made?
Who have ever said that Don can't change *anything*?
I've read a lot of stories that changes Barks' original characters much more than Don's stories.
Who cares?
If you like them, so read them and have fun.
If not, ignore them.
**If you're a 'Barks-only', don't read this:**
I think Don's characters are **better** than Barks' characters.
Don't forget that this is just *my* very, very humble opinion.
BTW:
>I (Eta Beta) believe that
>an author should be allowed to do whatever he/she pleases with characters
>and plots, whithin reasonable "Disneysness", of course.
Exactly what i'm trying to say.
O/yvind
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Soeren Krarup Olesen
History is unpredictable - Finale!
Message 217 -
1998-01-14 at 21:54:26
FLUKS:
Well, "Rosa" means "pink" in Danish and it also
means putting things more trustworthy, than they
actually are...well enough of that ;-)...
ETA BETA:
Celoni is hardly a Cavazzano clone, did you look at
the art? It is obviously too weird to be considered as
anything but Celoni. My "psychedelic" approach was
perhaps a little too inexact - it's more like the wind is
blowing from all directions at the same time twisting
the art (?!)
*And* two thumbs up for Scarpa - naturally!!!
KATIE:
On history books: I find it great, that we still have
different history books on this mailing list.
I never called Rosa's work "gospel".
I know (as you wrote) that Rosa has no more authority
than the Europeans in *my* beliefs - I was merely
addressing the "wave of the maillist feeling", the "trend"
or whatever you call it.
You wrote that there is *still* something left open for
new stories, but doing so, don't you just exacly neglect
other version of the life of Scrooge?
KRITON:
You wrote: "Rosa is probably the only person
qualified to address them [the ducks]". WHAT?
If that's not forcing standards, I don't know what it is?
DWIGHT:
Agreed, that Brigitta is more direct accessible for
future histories.
EVERYONE:
I have never mentioned Barks! I am not a Barksian,
in fact I am not that fond Barks at all. I don't care if
Rosa stold everything from Barks (which he obviously
did not!)
About that money bin thing and to whom Scrooge
should will his fortune: To those of you Scandinavians
+ Germans and perherps others, please read the *great*
Gatto story "DD in year 2001" - it beautifully deals with
precisely that matter. It doesn't answer any of your questions
but it might just emphasize that it is *unpredictable*.
Finally: As to whether or not _history_ is unpredictable,
let's see...
S=F8ren
Well, "Rosa" means "pink" in Danish and it also
means putting things more trustworthy, than they
actually are...well enough of that ;-)...
ETA BETA:
Celoni is hardly a Cavazzano clone, did you look at
the art? It is obviously too weird to be considered as
anything but Celoni. My "psychedelic" approach was
perhaps a little too inexact - it's more like the wind is
blowing from all directions at the same time twisting
the art (?!)
*And* two thumbs up for Scarpa - naturally!!!
KATIE:
On history books: I find it great, that we still have
different history books on this mailing list.
I never called Rosa's work "gospel".
I know (as you wrote) that Rosa has no more authority
than the Europeans in *my* beliefs - I was merely
addressing the "wave of the maillist feeling", the "trend"
or whatever you call it.
You wrote that there is *still* something left open for
new stories, but doing so, don't you just exacly neglect
other version of the life of Scrooge?
KRITON:
You wrote: "Rosa is probably the only person
qualified to address them [the ducks]". WHAT?
If that's not forcing standards, I don't know what it is?
DWIGHT:
Agreed, that Brigitta is more direct accessible for
future histories.
EVERYONE:
I have never mentioned Barks! I am not a Barksian,
in fact I am not that fond Barks at all. I don't care if
Rosa stold everything from Barks (which he obviously
did not!)
About that money bin thing and to whom Scrooge
should will his fortune: To those of you Scandinavians
+ Germans and perherps others, please read the *great*
Gatto story "DD in year 2001" - it beautifully deals with
precisely that matter. It doesn't answer any of your questions
but it might just emphasize that it is *unpredictable*.
Finally: As to whether or not _history_ is unpredictable,
let's see...
S=F8ren
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Where is Duckburg situated?
Message 218 -
1998-01-14 at 22:33:26
DWIGHT:
Duckburg is situated exactly where a comics
city representing a metropolis or at least a big
city in general is placed, namely anywhere it fits in.
Italian authors have often put it in California, which
is just okay to me. If you can take a train from Paris
to Duckburg directly, well, that was obviously what
the author planned, or...?
Does Gotham City equal New York City, then why
call it Gotham, unless of course if the author is going
to pinpoint hidden political critisism to the way New York
is governed or likewise. That is hardly the case for Duckburg.
Rosa wrote, that he found making a plan of Duckburg
too strict. Glad to hear that, but would he eventually make
a world map showing Duckburg in the US somewhere -
fine with me, as long as it fits the story in question!
I wonder if Duckburg is placed on the moon in PKNA,
but, sorry, don't know that, just kidding... :-)
S=F8ren
Duckburg is situated exactly where a comics
city representing a metropolis or at least a big
city in general is placed, namely anywhere it fits in.
Italian authors have often put it in California, which
is just okay to me. If you can take a train from Paris
to Duckburg directly, well, that was obviously what
the author planned, or...?
Does Gotham City equal New York City, then why
call it Gotham, unless of course if the author is going
to pinpoint hidden political critisism to the way New York
is governed or likewise. That is hardly the case for Duckburg.
Rosa wrote, that he found making a plan of Duckburg
too strict. Glad to hear that, but would he eventually make
a world map showing Duckburg in the US somewhere -
fine with me, as long as it fits the story in question!
I wonder if Duckburg is placed on the moon in PKNA,
but, sorry, don't know that, just kidding... :-)
S=F8ren
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Jubal and Ludwig
Message 219 -
1998-01-14 at 23:47:22
I think that the name "Jubal Pomp" is excellent.
"Pomp" associates with richness and exaggeration,
which is just as I see Filo Sganga. He has wild
imaginations of how to get rich by any means (yet
clean and sober means). Jubal is seldomly a nasty
guy and he usually operates in the shade of Brigitta,
who basically is driven by marrying Scrooge.
Scarpa has produced a number of brilliant stories
with intrigues, that gives the characters warmth and
depth, but somehow (unfortunately) makes Goldie
seem oldfashioned as longforgotten.
Ludwig van Drake is another important character that
somehow is completely opposite to Gyro.
Ludwig holds a number of university degrees in almost
anything appropritate, he has his knowledge from books
and he is a surpreme historian. This is in great contrast
to Gyro, who makes everything based on his own wild
ideas, and they *both* lack in their sense of reality.
Great disagreements between Gyro and Ludwig may be found
in the Chierchini story "Paperino e il ciclaliante sperimentale"
or Carpi's "Paperino e l'affare della terre rare".
Good night everyone,
S=F8ren
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #15
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"Pomp" associates with richness and exaggeration,
which is just as I see Filo Sganga. He has wild
imaginations of how to get rich by any means (yet
clean and sober means). Jubal is seldomly a nasty
guy and he usually operates in the shade of Brigitta,
who basically is driven by marrying Scrooge.
Scarpa has produced a number of brilliant stories
with intrigues, that gives the characters warmth and
depth, but somehow (unfortunately) makes Goldie
seem oldfashioned as longforgotten.
Ludwig van Drake is another important character that
somehow is completely opposite to Gyro.
Ludwig holds a number of university degrees in almost
anything appropritate, he has his knowledge from books
and he is a surpreme historian. This is in great contrast
to Gyro, who makes everything based on his own wild
ideas, and they *both* lack in their sense of reality.
Great disagreements between Gyro and Ludwig may be found
in the Chierchini story "Paperino e il ciclaliante sperimentale"
or Carpi's "Paperino e l'affare della terre rare".
Good night everyone,
S=F8ren
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #15
*****************************************
Wilmer Rivers
Scrooge's heir
Message 220 -
1998-01-15 at 00:13:23
On the debate about who will (or did???) inherit Scrooge's fortune:
I can't see Scrooge's naming Grandma Duck as his heir - after all, she's
older than he is! (At least, she's older if you accept the Rosa inter-
pretation that Elvira Coot Duck is Scrooge's sister's mother-in-law.)
The ducklings are too young to be left a fortune. If they were named
as Scrooge's heirs, there would have to be a trustee of the inheritance
until they were old enough to claim it. Note that this sort of arrange-
ment is in fact a common practice; for instance, Elvis Presley left his
estate to his daughter Lisa Marie, but under the terms of his will she
was allowed to claim only a certain amount of money when she turned 18,
then more when she was 25 (or something like that), and finally as she
became older she was entitled to claim the bulk of the money, including
the rights to the Graceland mansion. Bing Crosby, who believed that
his sons by his first marriage were reckless playboys who couldn't be
trusted with money, guaranteed in his will that they couldn't inherit
most of what they had coming to them until they were, I think, 60 years
old! ("Hey, what sort of trouble could they get into **then**," he
probably asked himself.) Until then, the money was under the tight
legal control of a trust fund.
If Donald is named as Scrooge's heir, then what about Della? Donald's
sister is just as close a blood relative as he is, of course. She
could certainly challenge the will if Scrooge left it all to Donald.
Maybe, though, **she** is his heir; for all we know, she could be his
"favorite" niece! (Especially since Scrooge doesn't seem to be too
much impressed with his nephew most of the time.)
Of course, Scrooge's sisters are closer relatives still. They could
certainly make a strong case for inheriting his money, claiming that
they managed his business back in Duckburg while he was off running
around the world. Most courts would buy that argument.
However, I don't think that any of those ducks will ever see a cent of
the McDuck estate. I suspect that the entire fortune will be claimed
by - you guessed it, if you remember my previous postings on this
character - Miss Penny Wise. We have seen her only once, but that one
time (WDC&S 164) makes her a character with a **very** intriguing past!
In fact, the only thing we know about her (other than that she's a
rather strange old maid) is that, somehow or other, if she wishes to
do so, then she can at any moment foreclose on Scrooge's entire
fortune!!!! What do you want to bet that, as soon as Scrooge himself
has no further use for his money, she does precisely that?
I think Scrooge always knew that one day, sooner or later, she would
call in that debt (whatever it was) and claim his fortune. The clear
evidence, of course, is the cover of Scrooge's first comic as the
starring character (US FC #368). This gives us our first glimpse into
Scrooge's private world, and what do we see? It's Scrooge in a rowboat
in the middle of "Money Lake # 1" in his money bin, and the name painted
on that rowboat is: "Penny Wise". He always knew that someday this all
would be hers!
Wilmer Rivers
I can't see Scrooge's naming Grandma Duck as his heir - after all, she's
older than he is! (At least, she's older if you accept the Rosa inter-
pretation that Elvira Coot Duck is Scrooge's sister's mother-in-law.)
The ducklings are too young to be left a fortune. If they were named
as Scrooge's heirs, there would have to be a trustee of the inheritance
until they were old enough to claim it. Note that this sort of arrange-
ment is in fact a common practice; for instance, Elvis Presley left his
estate to his daughter Lisa Marie, but under the terms of his will she
was allowed to claim only a certain amount of money when she turned 18,
then more when she was 25 (or something like that), and finally as she
became older she was entitled to claim the bulk of the money, including
the rights to the Graceland mansion. Bing Crosby, who believed that
his sons by his first marriage were reckless playboys who couldn't be
trusted with money, guaranteed in his will that they couldn't inherit
most of what they had coming to them until they were, I think, 60 years
old! ("Hey, what sort of trouble could they get into **then**," he
probably asked himself.) Until then, the money was under the tight
legal control of a trust fund.
If Donald is named as Scrooge's heir, then what about Della? Donald's
sister is just as close a blood relative as he is, of course. She
could certainly challenge the will if Scrooge left it all to Donald.
Maybe, though, **she** is his heir; for all we know, she could be his
"favorite" niece! (Especially since Scrooge doesn't seem to be too
much impressed with his nephew most of the time.)
Of course, Scrooge's sisters are closer relatives still. They could
certainly make a strong case for inheriting his money, claiming that
they managed his business back in Duckburg while he was off running
around the world. Most courts would buy that argument.
However, I don't think that any of those ducks will ever see a cent of
the McDuck estate. I suspect that the entire fortune will be claimed
by - you guessed it, if you remember my previous postings on this
character - Miss Penny Wise. We have seen her only once, but that one
time (WDC&S 164) makes her a character with a **very** intriguing past!
In fact, the only thing we know about her (other than that she's a
rather strange old maid) is that, somehow or other, if she wishes to
do so, then she can at any moment foreclose on Scrooge's entire
fortune!!!! What do you want to bet that, as soon as Scrooge himself
has no further use for his money, she does precisely that?
I think Scrooge always knew that one day, sooner or later, she would
call in that debt (whatever it was) and claim his fortune. The clear
evidence, of course, is the cover of Scrooge's first comic as the
starring character (US FC #368). This gives us our first glimpse into
Scrooge's private world, and what do we see? It's Scrooge in a rowboat
in the middle of "Money Lake # 1" in his money bin, and the name painted
on that rowboat is: "Penny Wise". He always knew that someday this all
would be hers!
Wilmer Rivers
Stefan Diös
Database + Lydia
Message 221 -
1998-01-15 at 00:21:51
HARRY and others:
I found a change that maybe should be mentioned in the database.
The Wolf story by Don Gunn ("Visit from Grandma") in WDC #98 was published
in Sweden in KA #1967-17. In that version, the last three panels were
changed. The final two were omitted, and the third last was elongated and
moved to the end. Replacing it was a close-up of Grandma Wolf, taken from
p.4 of the story. The dialogue was also changed, of course, as the final
scene of the original was left out.
According to the index, the story was simultaneously run in Danish AA
#67-18. This should also be the altered version, I'm sure. But in AA #49-05,
I don't know. Maybe some Dane on the list can check. Wasn't the story
published in Norway or Germany?
I noticed this because the story is to be reprinted soon in some of the
Scandinavian weeklies. (In its original version.)
Also, from Digest #14:
ETA BETA:
>I will never forget "Lydia the Tattooed Lady", from "Treasury of
>Croesus", and I'm still disappointed about the Italian translators giving
>it a total miss, since they apparently believed that a local pop singer
>called Lucio Battisti was more easily recognizable to Italian readers
>than Groucho Marx... or perhaps they just never saw "At the Circus"...
I wonder what you wanted the translators to do. I realize that in Italian,
the name "Lydia" (or would it be "Lidia"??) might be the same for the lady
and the ancient country, which is necessary for the gag to work. But even
so, are there well-known Italian lyrics for that song? Or would you prefer
to have the English lyrics intact? Is that normally done in Italian Disney
comics?
If you lived in Sweden, you might be equally disappointed in my translation.
"Lydia" is not the exact name of the country in Swedish, so even if I wanted
to (which I'm not sure I did), I couldn't use the same song. Looking for
something with historical connection, I finally stopped at ABBA's "Waterloo"
(with some of the Swedish lyrics, of course). At least, that song is nothing
if not well-known. (And, as it happened, the lyrics allowed an extra point
to be made close to the end!) As a Groucho Marx fan, I heartily agree that
"Lydia the Tattoed Lady" is a hilarious piece, and it's a perfect gag to use
in Rosa's American script. But, in my opinion, there's no way Donald Duck
can sing long texts in English in a Swedish comic book.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
I found a change that maybe should be mentioned in the database.
The Wolf story by Don Gunn ("Visit from Grandma") in WDC #98 was published
in Sweden in KA #1967-17. In that version, the last three panels were
changed. The final two were omitted, and the third last was elongated and
moved to the end. Replacing it was a close-up of Grandma Wolf, taken from
p.4 of the story. The dialogue was also changed, of course, as the final
scene of the original was left out.
According to the index, the story was simultaneously run in Danish AA
#67-18. This should also be the altered version, I'm sure. But in AA #49-05,
I don't know. Maybe some Dane on the list can check. Wasn't the story
published in Norway or Germany?
I noticed this because the story is to be reprinted soon in some of the
Scandinavian weeklies. (In its original version.)
Also, from Digest #14:
ETA BETA:
>I will never forget "Lydia the Tattooed Lady", from "Treasury of
>Croesus", and I'm still disappointed about the Italian translators giving
>it a total miss, since they apparently believed that a local pop singer
>called Lucio Battisti was more easily recognizable to Italian readers
>than Groucho Marx... or perhaps they just never saw "At the Circus"...
I wonder what you wanted the translators to do. I realize that in Italian,
the name "Lydia" (or would it be "Lidia"??) might be the same for the lady
and the ancient country, which is necessary for the gag to work. But even
so, are there well-known Italian lyrics for that song? Or would you prefer
to have the English lyrics intact? Is that normally done in Italian Disney
comics?
If you lived in Sweden, you might be equally disappointed in my translation.
"Lydia" is not the exact name of the country in Swedish, so even if I wanted
to (which I'm not sure I did), I couldn't use the same song. Looking for
something with historical connection, I finally stopped at ABBA's "Waterloo"
(with some of the Swedish lyrics, of course). At least, that song is nothing
if not well-known. (And, as it happened, the lyrics allowed an extra point
to be made close to the end!) As a Groucho Marx fan, I heartily agree that
"Lydia the Tattoed Lady" is a hilarious piece, and it's a perfect gag to use
in Rosa's American script. But, in my opinion, there's no way Donald Duck
can sing long texts in English in a Swedish comic book.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Luca Boschi
Luca on Horace Horsecollar
Message 222 -
1998-01-15 at 01:42:34
TO ETA BETA, who writes:
>Oh, BTW, the last (probably for a while) Scarpa's story is out on the
>current "Topolino" #2198, featuring Horace Horsecollar in a solo
>performance written by Carlo Panaro...
Well, Scarpa didn't know that this Horace's story was not printed yet.
Living in Spain, he cannot read all the issues of the weekly "Topolino",
and he thought that the story was published many months ago. It's not
the LAST and LEAST one drawn by him for Disney. The very last was
published some months ago. Romano told me that in its last panel, after
the word "Fine", some spots of paint color were put in a way to write
the other word "Adios!".
No comment.
Anyway, Romano is now thinking to his TV serial, in Jan. he must finish
the 3 minutes long pilote, and then, they'll start with the 26 stories,
half an hour long each (!!!) Three years of hard work, at least!
In the italian newsstands, fortunately, the "Maestri Disney" dedicated
to Romano just come out this morning. It's a must for Disney collectors,
rally. But I'll let someone others to talk about it (for those who wants
to know who Gideon McDuck is, here's his very first story, with Don,
Scrooge and HDL).
Bye!
>Oh, BTW, the last (probably for a while) Scarpa's story is out on the
>current "Topolino" #2198, featuring Horace Horsecollar in a solo
>performance written by Carlo Panaro...
Well, Scarpa didn't know that this Horace's story was not printed yet.
Living in Spain, he cannot read all the issues of the weekly "Topolino",
and he thought that the story was published many months ago. It's not
the LAST and LEAST one drawn by him for Disney. The very last was
published some months ago. Romano told me that in its last panel, after
the word "Fine", some spots of paint color were put in a way to write
the other word "Adios!".
No comment.
Anyway, Romano is now thinking to his TV serial, in Jan. he must finish
the 3 minutes long pilote, and then, they'll start with the 26 stories,
half an hour long each (!!!) Three years of hard work, at least!
In the italian newsstands, fortunately, the "Maestri Disney" dedicated
to Romano just come out this morning. It's a must for Disney collectors,
rally. But I'll let someone others to talk about it (for those who wants
to know who Gideon McDuck is, here's his very first story, with Don,
Scrooge and HDL).
Bye!
Mikko Pohjola
Of canons and gospels
Message 223 -
1998-01-15 at 01:47:14
Like so many other members of this mailing list I, too, feel an urge to
participate in the discussion about Don Rosa's 'right' to create a
thorough history for Scrooge. This is an awful long two cents' worth, so
if you're not interested, just skip this message.
Most people (among them Don himself) seem to agree that Don's is just one,
unique view of Duckburg and its denizens. Most of them, however, seem to
think that Barks' work is what really happened. Some think it's all about
a bunch of comic book characters to whom anything can happen.
I think both Carl Barks and Don Rosa are superb story tellers. Barks had
his own way to write and draw comics (which has been imitated and copied
so much that it has, to many, become the 'Disney Way'). Personally, I like
Rosa's stories better. That is probably because I don't particularly
appreciate long, hollow stories, but rather think it's quite possible to
tell a complete adventure story with its Shakespearean beginning, climax
and ending all in one page. And I think Don has just the same intensivity
even in his longer stories as do those thight-cramped short stories I
like. Also, Don's stories have B plots, inside jokes, background jokes,
witty dialogue and wry humour that really works for me.
But back on the topic: This discussion is about how Don handles the Ducks.
Not always the way I'd want him to. I think HDL and DD have all become a
bit too much two-dimensional in especially Don's longer stories. Uncle
$crooge has so far worked for me (although the ending in "A Little
Something Special" was a bit too syrupy for me).
Now, should Scrooge's mysterious past be revealed? Well, why not? Carl
Barks did it ("Back to the Klondyke"), Tony Strobl did it ("The Invisible
Intruder"), Marco Rota did it (Donald's 50th anniversary story), most
European writers have done it. And now Don Rosa - the sacrilegist - has
done it! I see now point why anyone should get mad because of Don's "Life
of $crooge". Just because it does not cancel every other theory (mainly
Barks') about $crooge's past does not mean it's the only true version.
Just because it includes most of Barks' "facts" about $crooge's past
doesn't mean it's the only true version. It probably has some parts right
(at least if one wants to limit oneself to the Barks universe), but it
might have a whole lot of things wrong, as well.
Personally, should I be forced to have a strict opinion about what's canon
in Duck stories, I'd think Barks is the only one ever done anything canon.
He wrote and drew some accurate stories about the people in Duckburg (if
I'd say "about the Duck comic characters" I wouldn't consider anything too
canon) and those, to me, are canon. He also wrote and drew lots of
_fictional_ stories about the same characters, and that is what I consider
uncanon. Don Rosa has much broader view of the Barks canon than I
(incorporating almost all of Barks' stories) and on that he has built his
own universe. And in that "what if" setting his stories really work. Lo$,
for example, is brilliant! I don't think it's canon, but it IS great!
For the record, the Rosa stories I like best are those wild sci-fi
adventures such as "Journey to the Center of the Earth" and "A Matter of
Some Gravity", and those great historical/exotic adventures like "The
Treasure of Ten Avatars" and "The Guardians of the Lost Library". They
work as _great stories_ although I may not agree wholly with Don's view on
the JW Guide, for example.
And one more thing, I think $crooge would want his Money Bin turned into a
museum after he dies. A monument dedicated for those who "Are tougher than
the toughies and smarter than the smarties and make it square".
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
participate in the discussion about Don Rosa's 'right' to create a
thorough history for Scrooge. This is an awful long two cents' worth, so
if you're not interested, just skip this message.
Most people (among them Don himself) seem to agree that Don's is just one,
unique view of Duckburg and its denizens. Most of them, however, seem to
think that Barks' work is what really happened. Some think it's all about
a bunch of comic book characters to whom anything can happen.
I think both Carl Barks and Don Rosa are superb story tellers. Barks had
his own way to write and draw comics (which has been imitated and copied
so much that it has, to many, become the 'Disney Way'). Personally, I like
Rosa's stories better. That is probably because I don't particularly
appreciate long, hollow stories, but rather think it's quite possible to
tell a complete adventure story with its Shakespearean beginning, climax
and ending all in one page. And I think Don has just the same intensivity
even in his longer stories as do those thight-cramped short stories I
like. Also, Don's stories have B plots, inside jokes, background jokes,
witty dialogue and wry humour that really works for me.
But back on the topic: This discussion is about how Don handles the Ducks.
Not always the way I'd want him to. I think HDL and DD have all become a
bit too much two-dimensional in especially Don's longer stories. Uncle
$crooge has so far worked for me (although the ending in "A Little
Something Special" was a bit too syrupy for me).
Now, should Scrooge's mysterious past be revealed? Well, why not? Carl
Barks did it ("Back to the Klondyke"), Tony Strobl did it ("The Invisible
Intruder"), Marco Rota did it (Donald's 50th anniversary story), most
European writers have done it. And now Don Rosa - the sacrilegist - has
done it! I see now point why anyone should get mad because of Don's "Life
of $crooge". Just because it does not cancel every other theory (mainly
Barks') about $crooge's past does not mean it's the only true version.
Just because it includes most of Barks' "facts" about $crooge's past
doesn't mean it's the only true version. It probably has some parts right
(at least if one wants to limit oneself to the Barks universe), but it
might have a whole lot of things wrong, as well.
Personally, should I be forced to have a strict opinion about what's canon
in Duck stories, I'd think Barks is the only one ever done anything canon.
He wrote and drew some accurate stories about the people in Duckburg (if
I'd say "about the Duck comic characters" I wouldn't consider anything too
canon) and those, to me, are canon. He also wrote and drew lots of
_fictional_ stories about the same characters, and that is what I consider
uncanon. Don Rosa has much broader view of the Barks canon than I
(incorporating almost all of Barks' stories) and on that he has built his
own universe. And in that "what if" setting his stories really work. Lo$,
for example, is brilliant! I don't think it's canon, but it IS great!
For the record, the Rosa stories I like best are those wild sci-fi
adventures such as "Journey to the Center of the Earth" and "A Matter of
Some Gravity", and those great historical/exotic adventures like "The
Treasure of Ten Avatars" and "The Guardians of the Lost Library". They
work as _great stories_ although I may not agree wholly with Don's view on
the JW Guide, for example.
And one more thing, I think $crooge would want his Money Bin turned into a
museum after he dies. A monument dedicated for those who "Are tougher than
the toughies and smarter than the smarties and make it square".
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Marco Barlotti
Fabio Celoni
Message 224 -
1998-01-15 at 01:57:31
SOEREN:
> By the way, do you
>have any info on a Celoni? His art is most awkward and
>almost as if his work has been put through some kind of a
>...um... psychedelic transformer.
ETA BETA:
>
>Here's one of the Cavazzano's clones...
>
Mmmmh... I don't agree much with Eta Beta here. Fabio Celoni is a "new wave"
Disney Duck artist, much more similar IMHO to Ghiglione or Guerrini than to
Cavazzano. Celoni is the sort of artist who can do well PKNA (and he drew in
fact issue #6), but you can't really say he's copying Cavazzano. Besides,
he's not working very much, his last story on "Topolino" dates from last
March I think...
As for Cavazzano... well, he **has** become a standard for most Disney
artists in Italy, even for "old" ones! I might quote here Giorgio Bordini
and even... guess who! Giancarlo Gatti! Who both in these last months drew
stories for "Topolino" in a very "Cavazzanian" style.
Of course, great personalities are untouched by this <Cavazzano line>:
Romano Scarpa, Giulio Chierchini and Luciano Gatto, just to quote some who
contibuted recently to "Topolino", have lost nothing of their style. And
there are nevertheless some young artists who are clearly more inspired by
the evergreen Giovan Battista Carpi.
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
> By the way, do you
>have any info on a Celoni? His art is most awkward and
>almost as if his work has been put through some kind of a
>...um... psychedelic transformer.
ETA BETA:
>
>Here's one of the Cavazzano's clones...
>
Mmmmh... I don't agree much with Eta Beta here. Fabio Celoni is a "new wave"
Disney Duck artist, much more similar IMHO to Ghiglione or Guerrini than to
Cavazzano. Celoni is the sort of artist who can do well PKNA (and he drew in
fact issue #6), but you can't really say he's copying Cavazzano. Besides,
he's not working very much, his last story on "Topolino" dates from last
March I think...
As for Cavazzano... well, he **has** become a standard for most Disney
artists in Italy, even for "old" ones! I might quote here Giorgio Bordini
and even... guess who! Giancarlo Gatti! Who both in these last months drew
stories for "Topolino" in a very "Cavazzanian" style.
Of course, great personalities are untouched by this <Cavazzano line>:
Romano Scarpa, Giulio Chierchini and Luciano Gatto, just to quote some who
contibuted recently to "Topolino", have lost nothing of their style. And
there are nevertheless some young artists who are clearly more inspired by
the evergreen Giovan Battista Carpi.
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
Luca Boschi
On Fethry's Brother
Message 225 -
1998-01-15 at 02:09:30
RICH, ETA BETA & Co.
Talking about Fethry...
> Makes perfect sense to me. However, that would mean that he has been
> "travelling" since he was a child (according to the first panel in the
> Buzz'n Cousin
> story he hadn't visited Duckburg since he and Donald were kids). However,
> since
> Don Rosa assigned his place on the Duck Family Tree as "brother" to Abner
> "Whitewater", his true original home may have been somewhere not so far from
> Duckburg. I'll have to go back and re-read that Whitewater story to remember
> where it took place.
Well, from two years or so, from when I saw Don's family Tree, I think
I'd like to write a story in which, at least, Fethry goes back to
Whitewater place, meets him again after a long time, lives an adventure
with him and a "Black Petish" barksian character (sort of Pierre de la
Pouche from Gottfredson's Mickey) and a flash back on their childhood is
showed. In it the mistery of the place where Fethry lives before coming
to Duckburg (and was born) can be solved. Have you any suggestions
about? I hope that this project must be accepted by Italian Disney story
dept. I'd like to contribute a little bit to let the Don Rosa's concepts
fit without making "damages". Indeed, I know that Don will never write
such a story (since he doesn't like Fethry, and the same Egmont maybe
shall not like this kind of story).
So...
Talking about Fethry...
> Makes perfect sense to me. However, that would mean that he has been
> "travelling" since he was a child (according to the first panel in the
> Buzz'n Cousin
> story he hadn't visited Duckburg since he and Donald were kids). However,
> since
> Don Rosa assigned his place on the Duck Family Tree as "brother" to Abner
> "Whitewater", his true original home may have been somewhere not so far from
> Duckburg. I'll have to go back and re-read that Whitewater story to remember
> where it took place.
Well, from two years or so, from when I saw Don's family Tree, I think
I'd like to write a story in which, at least, Fethry goes back to
Whitewater place, meets him again after a long time, lives an adventure
with him and a "Black Petish" barksian character (sort of Pierre de la
Pouche from Gottfredson's Mickey) and a flash back on their childhood is
showed. In it the mistery of the place where Fethry lives before coming
to Duckburg (and was born) can be solved. Have you any suggestions
about? I hope that this project must be accepted by Italian Disney story
dept. I'd like to contribute a little bit to let the Don Rosa's concepts
fit without making "damages". Indeed, I know that Don will never write
such a story (since he doesn't like Fethry, and the same Egmont maybe
shall not like this kind of story).
So...