Wilmer Rivers wrote:
>(1) It was in reference to an actor in an earlier Frank Capra film,
>namely "Lost Horizon", that Don Rosa named a character in his
>"Xanadu" story "Tsamja Phe" (sp.?), another memorable pun. Was
>any attempt made to translate it, or was it just reproduced as is?
But... that's not a "pun". It's just a weird phonetical reproduction of the
pronunciation of the name Sam Jaffee. How could it be "translated"? It would
either be used as is by a knowledgeable translator, or scrapped altogether
as being assumed meaningless by the translator.
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Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V98 #5
Message 76 -
1998-01-06 at 17:49:11
Didier Ghez
Cazer Donald
Message 77 -
1998-01-06 at 17:57:52
Hi,
Happy New Year to all of you !
I am just back from the Czech Republic, where I bought a couple of copies=
of the local Donald Duck magazine, Kacer Donald. =
I have one to give away to the first one of you who expresses interest in=
it.
Best.
Didier
Happy New Year to all of you !
I am just back from the Czech Republic, where I bought a couple of copies=
of the local Donald Duck magazine, Kacer Donald. =
I have one to give away to the first one of you who expresses interest in=
it.
Best.
Didier
Wilmer Rivers
Tsamja Phe "pun"
Message 78 -
1998-01-06 at 18:54:49
Wilmer Rivers wrote:
>(1) It was in reference to an actor in an earlier Frank Capra film,
>namely "Lost Horizon", that Don Rosa named a character in his
>"Xanadu" story "Tsamja Phe" (sp.?), another memorable pun. Was
>any attempt made to translate it, or was it just reproduced as is?
and Don Rosa replied:
But... that's not a "pun". It's just a weird phonetical reproduction of the
pronunciation of the name Sam Jaffee. How could it be "translated"? It would
either be used as is by a knowledgeable translator, or scrapped altogether
as being assumed meaningless by the translator.
and so I now clarify:
What I was thinking is that "Tsamja Phe" might **not** be pronounced
phonetically as "Sam Jaffee" in certain other languages. Is it? I
don't know whether the dipthong "ph" is equivalent to "f" everywhere,
and the final "e" in "Phe" might be pronounced as "ay", or "eh", or some
way other than "ee". If that's the case, then "Tsamja Phe" would have
to be spelled differently, to make it be pronounced the way Don intended
(thereby preserving the "pun"). Certainly the phonetical pronunciation
would have to be transliterated in a language which uses a different
alphabet, like Greek. Was it? That's what I was asking.
Wilmer Rivers
>(1) It was in reference to an actor in an earlier Frank Capra film,
>namely "Lost Horizon", that Don Rosa named a character in his
>"Xanadu" story "Tsamja Phe" (sp.?), another memorable pun. Was
>any attempt made to translate it, or was it just reproduced as is?
and Don Rosa replied:
But... that's not a "pun". It's just a weird phonetical reproduction of the
pronunciation of the name Sam Jaffee. How could it be "translated"? It would
either be used as is by a knowledgeable translator, or scrapped altogether
as being assumed meaningless by the translator.
and so I now clarify:
What I was thinking is that "Tsamja Phe" might **not** be pronounced
phonetically as "Sam Jaffee" in certain other languages. Is it? I
don't know whether the dipthong "ph" is equivalent to "f" everywhere,
and the final "e" in "Phe" might be pronounced as "ay", or "eh", or some
way other than "ee". If that's the case, then "Tsamja Phe" would have
to be spelled differently, to make it be pronounced the way Don intended
(thereby preserving the "pun"). Certainly the phonetical pronunciation
would have to be transliterated in a language which uses a different
alphabet, like Greek. Was it? That's what I was asking.
Wilmer Rivers
Scott.Smith
Disney Books for sale
Message 79 -
1998-01-06 at 19:02:33
I would like to sell my Disney collection:
Mickey Mouse In Color
Mickey Mouse Joins the Foreign Legion
**Barks Bear Book*** 33 stories b and w 274 pages
about 200 barks comics including early Gladstones
Please E-mail for complete list and feel free to make an offer
on the above books--I will email you back.
(Email removed)
Mickey Mouse In Color
Mickey Mouse Joins the Foreign Legion
**Barks Bear Book*** 33 stories b and w 274 pages
about 200 barks comics including early Gladstones
Please E-mail for complete list and feel free to make an offer
on the above books--I will email you back.
(Email removed)
D Decker
Facsimile: Am I using the wrong word?
Message 80 -
1998-01-06 at 22:22:36
On Jan 6, 11:56am, Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
> Subject: Facsimile: Am I using the wrong word?
> DWIGHT DECKER:
>
> > Gary will have to reply to this to get Gladstone's view of the matter,
> > of course, but reprinting old comics has its share of headaches.
> > Regular comic-book printing just about requires black and white
> > photostats.
>
> With "fascimile" I meant reprinting *straight from the original comic*
> itself, omitting the need of photostats. As if the original comic is
> colour-xeroxed.
>
By "facsimile," I assumed you meant an exact duplicate of the original
comic, produced the same way and looking like the original. Most reprints
of US comic books have been done like that. There are some relative few
book collections of comic-book stories that have been shot from the original
pages. Now, it would seem reasonable that some color-photo process that
simply takes a picture of the printed comic-book page would be a lot
simpler than the laborious procedure of making black and white stats
that drop the color out, retouching the art to clean it up, and making
new color plates to print it in the old four-color process, so why _haven't_
comic-book reprints been done the easy way? At a guess...you're in effect
printing a full-color photograph on every page, so you need much better
and more expensive paper stock than the usual newsprint. Full-color
separations of each page might be vastly more expensive than mechanical
four-color, too. Then again, my information could be dated and such things
may be economically feasible now even though they weren't ten or twenty
years ago. Gladstone would have to answer this, I guess. But if things
haven't changed, I'd guess that "facsimile edition" would be prohibitively
expensive in the US unless the print-run and sales could be pushed to
European levels.
--Dwight Decker
> Subject: Facsimile: Am I using the wrong word?
> DWIGHT DECKER:
>
> > Gary will have to reply to this to get Gladstone's view of the matter,
> > of course, but reprinting old comics has its share of headaches.
> > Regular comic-book printing just about requires black and white
> > photostats.
>
> With "fascimile" I meant reprinting *straight from the original comic*
> itself, omitting the need of photostats. As if the original comic is
> colour-xeroxed.
>
By "facsimile," I assumed you meant an exact duplicate of the original
comic, produced the same way and looking like the original. Most reprints
of US comic books have been done like that. There are some relative few
book collections of comic-book stories that have been shot from the original
pages. Now, it would seem reasonable that some color-photo process that
simply takes a picture of the printed comic-book page would be a lot
simpler than the laborious procedure of making black and white stats
that drop the color out, retouching the art to clean it up, and making
new color plates to print it in the old four-color process, so why _haven't_
comic-book reprints been done the easy way? At a guess...you're in effect
printing a full-color photograph on every page, so you need much better
and more expensive paper stock than the usual newsprint. Full-color
separations of each page might be vastly more expensive than mechanical
four-color, too. Then again, my information could be dated and such things
may be economically feasible now even though they weren't ten or twenty
years ago. Gladstone would have to answer this, I guess. But if things
haven't changed, I'd guess that "facsimile edition" would be prohibitively
expensive in the US unless the print-run and sales could be pushed to
European levels.
--Dwight Decker
Eric Chun
Disney comics Digest V98 #5
Message 81 -
1998-01-06 at 23:14:32
Daniel wrote:
> Is there someone here with the complete typewritten script
> or is there a chance it will be published in the future? I
> really would like to have it for comparision!
Yes, I have it. You can purchase a copy from Bear Mountain
Enterprises (John Nichols). Phone: (804) 696-2925. His ad-
dress is in the Overstreet Price Guide.
See ya.
Eric
> Is there someone here with the complete typewritten script
> or is there a chance it will be published in the future? I
> really would like to have it for comparision!
Yes, I have it. You can purchase a copy from Bear Mountain
Enterprises (John Nichols). Phone: (804) 696-2925. His ad-
dress is in the Overstreet Price Guide.
See ya.
Eric
Stefan Diös
Translating
Message 82 -
1998-01-06 at 23:58:46
> How did you start with Disney translations? .....
My background in this line of work is entirely "Donaldistic". I was a reader
and a fan, as I still basically am, and was active in NAFS(k), the Swedish
Donaldist Society. In the early 80's, the Swedish editors were looking for
new translators for their various titles. Fortunately for me, they decided
to try somebody with some knowledge of the Ducks, rather than concentrating
on higher academic degrees in foreign languages (of which I had, and have,
none). I had already had some correspondence with the office as a NAFS(k)
representative, so they had seen some samples of my writing. Once I even
mentioned, as a half-joking side comment, that I was ready to try some
translating if needed. This, if anything, might be called a "blind
application", as I had no idea they actually needed translators - there was
never any advertising done. Maybe I was born under Gladstone Gander's star...
I was given a Goofy album as a tryout. The weird humor in it (many puns!)
suited me well, and I was accepted. Two or three years later (late 1985), I
was assigned the weekly "Kalle Anka & C:o", which I have been doing ever
since. Over the years, I have done some other stuff as well - mostly, of
course, Disney comics, but also on occasion other comics and even some
children's books. But I still prefer to call myself a "Donaldist" rather
than a "translator". It was the Ducks that led me to whatever else I might
have done on the side, and it's with the Ducks that I really feel at home.
Like Dwight Decker, I find the payment quite OK. On the other hand, I have
no idea what to expect. I get paid per page, so I suspect that once you're
in, it's possible to make some dough by accepting as much work as possible
and just swish through the pages without any extra effort. There are still
lots of regular Disney titles in Scandinavia, and some comic pages really
don't have much text. But I'd like to try to do a decent job, rather than
maximizing my income. These days I try to balance my workload so I can make
just enough to pay the bills. I've been at this job for several years
already, and if I can keep it up, it could continue for maybe twice as long.
I'm sure a burnout will come sooner or later, with an inevitable decline in
quality, and sometimes I feel it might be closer than I would prefer. So I
figure it's important to find as much time as I can to do completely
different things (and maybe pick up an extra buck somewhere), in order to
delay the burnout and preserve the joy I feel with my work for as long as
possible.
I realize that I have been extremely privileged to work under these almost
ideal circumstances. Burnout fear or not, I'm still thrilled to be able to
work with something I love so much - getting paid for it to boot! I owe much
gratitude to all the people at the Swedish editors who supported me in the
80's, given my "dubious" background as a "young fanatic". Slipping in on
such a lucky banana peel, I don't know if my case is any useful guideline
for someone who wants to start out in the business. But I do know for sure
that anytime some hopeful Swedish youngster writes to the office claiming
they can do a better job, I'll be kicked out the moment they can prove it!
And I'd certainly respect it, too.
Regarding "Return to Plain Awful":
Having learnt how the Dutch and Finnish translators handled the final gag
(thanks, Harry and Mike), I'd better try to explain what I put in. I planted
the gag early in the story by having Scrooge say something like "he never
shares his money with anyone" instead of "making his money square". Now, in
this case the Swedish word for "share" would be the same as "cut in two". A
rough English equivalent might be the word "split". In the end, the joke is
that this is just what happened to the money. The gag might work OK, but as
I said earlier, it detracts from Scrooge's character. So in retrospect, I am
not too excited about this solution. Sorry, Don!
Finally, in an earlier post I wrote:
>Don Rosa has gracefully supplied me /---/
Did I really write that?! I'm sure I meant "graciously". And it wouldn't be
the first time I made that mistake, either. Or others like it. You think you
learn enough of a language to express yourself in writing, but... Oh, well.
I have no academic degrees in English, remember?
Or maybe I was making a pun. Yes, I'm sure that must have been the case.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
My background in this line of work is entirely "Donaldistic". I was a reader
and a fan, as I still basically am, and was active in NAFS(k), the Swedish
Donaldist Society. In the early 80's, the Swedish editors were looking for
new translators for their various titles. Fortunately for me, they decided
to try somebody with some knowledge of the Ducks, rather than concentrating
on higher academic degrees in foreign languages (of which I had, and have,
none). I had already had some correspondence with the office as a NAFS(k)
representative, so they had seen some samples of my writing. Once I even
mentioned, as a half-joking side comment, that I was ready to try some
translating if needed. This, if anything, might be called a "blind
application", as I had no idea they actually needed translators - there was
never any advertising done. Maybe I was born under Gladstone Gander's star...
I was given a Goofy album as a tryout. The weird humor in it (many puns!)
suited me well, and I was accepted. Two or three years later (late 1985), I
was assigned the weekly "Kalle Anka & C:o", which I have been doing ever
since. Over the years, I have done some other stuff as well - mostly, of
course, Disney comics, but also on occasion other comics and even some
children's books. But I still prefer to call myself a "Donaldist" rather
than a "translator". It was the Ducks that led me to whatever else I might
have done on the side, and it's with the Ducks that I really feel at home.
Like Dwight Decker, I find the payment quite OK. On the other hand, I have
no idea what to expect. I get paid per page, so I suspect that once you're
in, it's possible to make some dough by accepting as much work as possible
and just swish through the pages without any extra effort. There are still
lots of regular Disney titles in Scandinavia, and some comic pages really
don't have much text. But I'd like to try to do a decent job, rather than
maximizing my income. These days I try to balance my workload so I can make
just enough to pay the bills. I've been at this job for several years
already, and if I can keep it up, it could continue for maybe twice as long.
I'm sure a burnout will come sooner or later, with an inevitable decline in
quality, and sometimes I feel it might be closer than I would prefer. So I
figure it's important to find as much time as I can to do completely
different things (and maybe pick up an extra buck somewhere), in order to
delay the burnout and preserve the joy I feel with my work for as long as
possible.
I realize that I have been extremely privileged to work under these almost
ideal circumstances. Burnout fear or not, I'm still thrilled to be able to
work with something I love so much - getting paid for it to boot! I owe much
gratitude to all the people at the Swedish editors who supported me in the
80's, given my "dubious" background as a "young fanatic". Slipping in on
such a lucky banana peel, I don't know if my case is any useful guideline
for someone who wants to start out in the business. But I do know for sure
that anytime some hopeful Swedish youngster writes to the office claiming
they can do a better job, I'll be kicked out the moment they can prove it!
And I'd certainly respect it, too.
Regarding "Return to Plain Awful":
Having learnt how the Dutch and Finnish translators handled the final gag
(thanks, Harry and Mike), I'd better try to explain what I put in. I planted
the gag early in the story by having Scrooge say something like "he never
shares his money with anyone" instead of "making his money square". Now, in
this case the Swedish word for "share" would be the same as "cut in two". A
rough English equivalent might be the word "split". In the end, the joke is
that this is just what happened to the money. The gag might work OK, but as
I said earlier, it detracts from Scrooge's character. So in retrospect, I am
not too excited about this solution. Sorry, Don!
Finally, in an earlier post I wrote:
>Don Rosa has gracefully supplied me /---/
Did I really write that?! I'm sure I meant "graciously". And it wouldn't be
the first time I made that mistake, either. Or others like it. You think you
learn enough of a language to express yourself in writing, but... Oh, well.
I have no academic degrees in English, remember?
Or maybe I was making a pun. Yes, I'm sure that must have been the case.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
D Decker
Facsimile editions.
Message 83 -
1998-01-07 at 00:04:22
On Jan 6, 3:14pm, Fluks, H.W. wrote:
> Subject: RE: Facsimile editions.
> > Western still has stats of virtually everything it has ever printed.
>
> This is not what I heard and read in articles in European fanzines
> in the 70s. A lot of the old Barks material is lost because they
> had copied it on bad microfilm, or simply thrown the originals
> away. That's the main reason that people like Jippes re-inked
> old Barks material.
> Or that's what people thought at that time.
>
Well, you could be right. I'd sooner believe you than me on this,
since I was only repeating what I dimly remembered hearing third
hand about six years ago.
Incidentally, I also remember being told that when Western's
contract with MGM expired and was not renewed, all the comic-book
artwork, stats, and other materials were sent to MGM, which didn't
know what to do with them and didn't want to store them, and so
destroyed everything. That meant Barks's Benny Burro and Barney Bear
could _never_ be reprinted, or at least not properly. Yet some of
those stories have in fact been reprinted in the last few years
(was it by the recent reincarnation of Harvey Comics...?). My
theory was that Harvey got hold of stats that had been in Europe
for foreign editions and thus escaped MGM's disposal -- and the
stories did seem to be relettered with not quite faithful dialogue.
That's assuming the story about MGM destroying the stats was true
to begin with. Y'know, if I keep telling these stories I only half-
remember hearing somewhere years ago, I'm going to damage the
credibility of the Internet as a source of reliable information,
and people will only snicker when you say, "Why, it must be true!
I read it on the Internet!"
--Dwight Decker
> Subject: RE: Facsimile editions.
> > Western still has stats of virtually everything it has ever printed.
>
> This is not what I heard and read in articles in European fanzines
> in the 70s. A lot of the old Barks material is lost because they
> had copied it on bad microfilm, or simply thrown the originals
> away. That's the main reason that people like Jippes re-inked
> old Barks material.
> Or that's what people thought at that time.
>
Well, you could be right. I'd sooner believe you than me on this,
since I was only repeating what I dimly remembered hearing third
hand about six years ago.
Incidentally, I also remember being told that when Western's
contract with MGM expired and was not renewed, all the comic-book
artwork, stats, and other materials were sent to MGM, which didn't
know what to do with them and didn't want to store them, and so
destroyed everything. That meant Barks's Benny Burro and Barney Bear
could _never_ be reprinted, or at least not properly. Yet some of
those stories have in fact been reprinted in the last few years
(was it by the recent reincarnation of Harvey Comics...?). My
theory was that Harvey got hold of stats that had been in Europe
for foreign editions and thus escaped MGM's disposal -- and the
stories did seem to be relettered with not quite faithful dialogue.
That's assuming the story about MGM destroying the stats was true
to begin with. Y'know, if I keep telling these stories I only half-
remember hearing somewhere years ago, I'm going to damage the
credibility of the Internet as a source of reliable information,
and people will only snicker when you say, "Why, it must be true!
I read it on the Internet!"
--Dwight Decker
Wolfman
Sides of books
Message 84 -
1998-01-07 at 00:18:44
Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling.
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Hi!
Barely one week into the new year and this will already =20
be the most stupid question asked in 1998, but ... I'm gonna ask it=20
anyway. I just found this out myself! I was looking at some books=20
here and I noticed that every country has it's own way of printing=20
the title of the book on it's side. No, no, don't stop reading ...
this is serious: on books from the United States or the =20
Netherlands, the title always reads from the bottom to the=20
top and on books from Germany and Italy, they always read=20
from the top to the bottom.=20
...
=20
Impressive, he?
Is this like some kind of 'rule' in each country, how they print
their titles on the side, or is it a coincidence that all my foreign
books are the same?
Bye!
Arthur
PS: Happy new year!
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Hi!
Barely one week into the new year and this will already =20
be the most stupid question asked in 1998, but ... I'm gonna ask it=20
anyway. I just found this out myself! I was looking at some books=20
here and I noticed that every country has it's own way of printing=20
the title of the book on it's side. No, no, don't stop reading ...
this is serious: on books from the United States or the =20
Netherlands, the title always reads from the bottom to the=20
top and on books from Germany and Italy, they always read=20
from the top to the bottom.=20
...
=20
Impressive, he?
Is this like some kind of 'rule' in each country, how they print
their titles on the side, or is it a coincidence that all my foreign
books are the same?
Bye!
Arthur
PS: Happy new year!
Marco Barlotti
Atom Bomb on the web? ;-)
Message 85 -
1998-01-07 at 01:36:35
DANIEL:
>
>BTW. I have Atom Bomb here in scanned form (in colour), if someone wants
>them for a webpage, I'll gladly forward them.
I'd be happy to put those scans on my Web pages, provided (1) that 20 Mb
suffice (that's all the free space I have for now...) and (2) we don't
infringe any copyright. Well, point (2) is not essential anyway... ;-)
Marco
>
>BTW. I have Atom Bomb here in scanned form (in colour), if someone wants
>them for a webpage, I'll gladly forward them.
I'd be happy to put those scans on my Web pages, provided (1) that 20 Mb
suffice (that's all the free space I have for now...) and (2) we don't
infringe any copyright. Well, point (2) is not essential anyway... ;-)
Marco
Jgarvin
Subject: Facsimile editions.
Message 86 -
1998-01-07 at 05:50:37
This year the National Geographic released its entire library of
magazines on CD Rom. Every page of every issue (including photos,
paintings, maps, articles, etc.) from 1888 to this year. It even has a
searchable data base, cross referenced, bookmarks, etc. Every page has
been scanned in using a high quality, hi-res scanner. It's incredible.
The whole thing is on 30 CD roms.
Wouldn't it be great to see comics publishers follow suit? The complete
Comics and Stories, Uncle Scrooge, or Four Color Comics? In color,
complete with covers, ads, everything? Plus, it could come with a
searchable database, index, translations, etc Without the high cost of
printing, this could probably be a very profitable venture for some
publisher (like Gladstone!) And affordable (relatively)! The entire
Geographic set was about $150.
And maybe, if the content (i.e. the issues of the comics being scanned)
were treated and sold as some kind of historical archive, we could get
them completely uncensored.
CDs could be sold separately with say, 50 issues per CD, or as a set.
I know I would be first in line.
What do you think?
jg
magazines on CD Rom. Every page of every issue (including photos,
paintings, maps, articles, etc.) from 1888 to this year. It even has a
searchable data base, cross referenced, bookmarks, etc. Every page has
been scanned in using a high quality, hi-res scanner. It's incredible.
The whole thing is on 30 CD roms.
Wouldn't it be great to see comics publishers follow suit? The complete
Comics and Stories, Uncle Scrooge, or Four Color Comics? In color,
complete with covers, ads, everything? Plus, it could come with a
searchable database, index, translations, etc Without the high cost of
printing, this could probably be a very profitable venture for some
publisher (like Gladstone!) And affordable (relatively)! The entire
Geographic set was about $150.
And maybe, if the content (i.e. the issues of the comics being scanned)
were treated and sold as some kind of historical archive, we could get
them completely uncensored.
CDs could be sold separately with say, 50 issues per CD, or as a set.
I know I would be first in line.
What do you think?
jg
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Facsimile: Am I using the wrong word?
Message 87 -
1998-01-07 at 11:20:13
DWIGHT DECKER:
> [why not a colour-reproduction of the original comic's pages?] At a
> guess...you're in effect printing a full-color photograph on every
> page, so you need much better and more expensive paper stock than the
> usual newsprint. Full-color separations of each page might be vastly
> more expensive than mechanical four-color, too. Then again, my
> information could be dated and such things may be economically feasible
> now even though they weren't ten or twenty years ago. Gladstone would
> have to answer this, I guess.
See? I already thought it was too easy! ;-) But I think it should be
possible now to print it on the same paper as a regular story. In
comic-books full-colour advertisements are printed on the same paper as
the stories.
Maybe it costs more ink or maybe the photographing-process (matrixing the
photographs for print, which needs silver? Or is silver only needed for
greyscale?) is more expensive? But even if it is, is it still cheaper than
the whole process of colour-filtering, retouching and recolouring? *That's*
what I find strange in the CBL, I may not like the results but I can't say
they didn't do enough effort to get the "original-is-lost" stories to
print. Maybe they thought people wouldn't like greyscale-reproductions of
a xerox-quality? Maybe the editors wanted b/w photostats for future
reprints in non-collector comic-books and so they thought they might do
it in one turn?
Greetings,
--- Daniel (who's afraid he's one the last collectors caring so much
for Barks' original art)
> [why not a colour-reproduction of the original comic's pages?] At a
> guess...you're in effect printing a full-color photograph on every
> page, so you need much better and more expensive paper stock than the
> usual newsprint. Full-color separations of each page might be vastly
> more expensive than mechanical four-color, too. Then again, my
> information could be dated and such things may be economically feasible
> now even though they weren't ten or twenty years ago. Gladstone would
> have to answer this, I guess.
See? I already thought it was too easy! ;-) But I think it should be
possible now to print it on the same paper as a regular story. In
comic-books full-colour advertisements are printed on the same paper as
the stories.
Maybe it costs more ink or maybe the photographing-process (matrixing the
photographs for print, which needs silver? Or is silver only needed for
greyscale?) is more expensive? But even if it is, is it still cheaper than
the whole process of colour-filtering, retouching and recolouring? *That's*
what I find strange in the CBL, I may not like the results but I can't say
they didn't do enough effort to get the "original-is-lost" stories to
print. Maybe they thought people wouldn't like greyscale-reproductions of
a xerox-quality? Maybe the editors wanted b/w photostats for future
reprints in non-collector comic-books and so they thought they might do
it in one turn?
Greetings,
--- Daniel (who's afraid he's one the last collectors caring so much
for Barks' original art)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
I do declare!
Message 88 -
1998-01-07 at 11:23:11
WILMER RIVERS, 02-01-1997:
>> --- Daniel (wondering if that last "!" makes the phrase sound angry,
>> which is not the case)
> [...] when the characters in Barks' stories spoke, they did so
> enthusiastically! We would expect no less a display of enthusiasm,
> then, from someone who is demanding that one of those stories be
> published in its original form!
Ah! Finally someone who understands me!!!!!!!!!!
;-)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
>> --- Daniel (wondering if that last "!" makes the phrase sound angry,
>> which is not the case)
> [...] when the characters in Barks' stories spoke, they did so
> enthusiastically! We would expect no less a display of enthusiasm,
> then, from someone who is demanding that one of those stories be
> published in its original form!
Ah! Finally someone who understands me!!!!!!!!!!
;-)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Frank Fabian
Custard / mustard
Message 89 -
1998-01-07 at 14:10:45
HARRY wrote:
>When the Barks story about Gyro's custard gun was first used
>in Holland, the translation said "mustard gun". In the reprint,
>20 years later, they used the literal translation of custard gun.
>A Dutch bibliographer (Hans Matla) suspected that they changed
>"mustard" into "custard" because children might try it at home,
>and mustard in the eyes is rather unhealthy!
>
>I still don't know why the first translation changed the text
>from "custard" to "mustard". Is it a coincidence that the
>words only differ 1 character? The Dutch translations
>("mosterd", "pudding") are very different...
>
Maybe your preceding paragraph applies here too:
>In Holland, a lot of puns have gone. I think mainly because the
>Dutch translation was taken from a German translation, and it
>seems Germans care less about translating English word play.
>
because the German title for this story was and still is "Das Senfgewehr"
(The Mustard Gun). When first reading the English version of this story, I
first didn't notice the difference, because mustard and custard sound so
similar (at least to me as a non-native speaker). When I finally noticed, I
wondered if this was an translation error or an intentional change. One
would have to ask the German translator for that.
Best regards, Frank
>When the Barks story about Gyro's custard gun was first used
>in Holland, the translation said "mustard gun". In the reprint,
>20 years later, they used the literal translation of custard gun.
>A Dutch bibliographer (Hans Matla) suspected that they changed
>"mustard" into "custard" because children might try it at home,
>and mustard in the eyes is rather unhealthy!
>
>I still don't know why the first translation changed the text
>from "custard" to "mustard". Is it a coincidence that the
>words only differ 1 character? The Dutch translations
>("mosterd", "pudding") are very different...
>
Maybe your preceding paragraph applies here too:
>In Holland, a lot of puns have gone. I think mainly because the
>Dutch translation was taken from a German translation, and it
>seems Germans care less about translating English word play.
>
because the German title for this story was and still is "Das Senfgewehr"
(The Mustard Gun). When first reading the English version of this story, I
first didn't notice the difference, because mustard and custard sound so
similar (at least to me as a non-native speaker). When I finally noticed, I
wondered if this was an translation error or an intentional change. One
would have to ask the German translator for that.
Best regards, Frank
Satu Tams
Disney comics Digest V98 #5
Message 90 -
1998-01-07 at 15:47:11
Well, holidays are over for now, my Christmas was more on the lousy than
happy side, but one great thing was that I got the hardcover LO$ and it
saved my Christmas. The book is beautiful and magnificent to have, and
this was really the only thing I and my teenaged little sister agreed on
during my holiday.
A good start for this year was what Anna-Maija already mentioned, that in
Aku Ankka -magazine they finally have started to tell the writer and the
artist by name in the beginning of every story. I think Don Rosa's
popularity has much to do with this, I think he's the only one whose name
is used in the cover of the AA-magazine to promote a story, that is, to
get people to buy individual magazines when they are not subscribers.
Apart from using Barks's name of course, but I mean the drawers/writers
that are working today. Perhaps Aku Ankka will some day start to publish
an editorial page like those at least in some Gladstone-magazines, that
have things interesting for adult readers as well, not just about the
latest Disney-animation.
I wonder if there are any finnish translators in this mailing list? I'd
love to hear about translating the stories into finnish, since on this
list there has been diskussion about translating lately. I've always
thought the language in Aku Ankka has been very good, about which I was
not at all surprised after I read the original stories for example by
Barks, which also are suberb to start with. I'd like to know from which
language are the stories translated from, for example Rosa-stories?
English, Danish or something else?
Now I'm going to dive into just arrived issue of AA, which contains a
celebration story about Gladstone Gander by Don Rosa, and also an old
Barks story where Donald and Gladstone race by sailing boats to rescue
Uncle Scrooge after he's crashed by plane to the South Sea. (I don't know
the name in english)
bye
Satu
happy side, but one great thing was that I got the hardcover LO$ and it
saved my Christmas. The book is beautiful and magnificent to have, and
this was really the only thing I and my teenaged little sister agreed on
during my holiday.
A good start for this year was what Anna-Maija already mentioned, that in
Aku Ankka -magazine they finally have started to tell the writer and the
artist by name in the beginning of every story. I think Don Rosa's
popularity has much to do with this, I think he's the only one whose name
is used in the cover of the AA-magazine to promote a story, that is, to
get people to buy individual magazines when they are not subscribers.
Apart from using Barks's name of course, but I mean the drawers/writers
that are working today. Perhaps Aku Ankka will some day start to publish
an editorial page like those at least in some Gladstone-magazines, that
have things interesting for adult readers as well, not just about the
latest Disney-animation.
I wonder if there are any finnish translators in this mailing list? I'd
love to hear about translating the stories into finnish, since on this
list there has been diskussion about translating lately. I've always
thought the language in Aku Ankka has been very good, about which I was
not at all surprised after I read the original stories for example by
Barks, which also are suberb to start with. I'd like to know from which
language are the stories translated from, for example Rosa-stories?
English, Danish or something else?
Now I'm going to dive into just arrived issue of AA, which contains a
celebration story about Gladstone Gander by Don Rosa, and also an old
Barks story where Donald and Gladstone race by sailing boats to rescue
Uncle Scrooge after he's crashed by plane to the South Sea. (I don't know
the name in english)
bye
Satu