TO: (Email removed)
"Acres really don't make much sense outside North America"
Excuse me but Canada is part of the North American continent and is a metric
country. The lone wolf is the USA.
Q. How can you tell a Canadian from an American.
A. Call the Canadian and American.
King Wog Of Norwalk, the touchy
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Awiles
Metric
Message 466 -
1998-01-29 at 20:33:06
PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO,BARRETO
$crooge's "blues"/Fethry's spinoffs
Message 467 -
1998-01-29 at 21:21:13
Hi all..
KRITON:
>> Maybe his coat has been colored blue in DT to make
>> better contrast with the fancy background
>It might also be because large patches of red don't look very good on TV
(a limitation of color TV technology, I suppose), and are even worse on
video tape.
Excellent point. Indeed, there's a TV technology limitation that
oversaturates warm colors, especially on NTSC (sorry, North Americans).
MARCO:
> ... for some information on a strange Fethry
>featured as king of an underwater world.
I couldn't check out the URLs yet, but AFAIK Fethry made a couple of
spinoffs of himself: Pena Kid (the cowboy) and Pena das Selvas (the
jungle king). They were Fethry lookalikes conceived and drawn by
Fethry himself as part of his job in Scrooge's publishing company.
The stories alternate between Fethry's studio (Scrooge himself appears
frequently, criticizing Fethry's work) and the adventurous character
in-story; sometimes, however, Pena Kid and Pena das Selvas appear as
standalone characters.
[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed)
KRITON:
>> Maybe his coat has been colored blue in DT to make
>> better contrast with the fancy background
>It might also be because large patches of red don't look very good on TV
(a limitation of color TV technology, I suppose), and are even worse on
video tape.
Excellent point. Indeed, there's a TV technology limitation that
oversaturates warm colors, especially on NTSC (sorry, North Americans).
MARCO:
> ... for some information on a strange Fethry
>featured as king of an underwater world.
I couldn't check out the URLs yet, but AFAIK Fethry made a couple of
spinoffs of himself: Pena Kid (the cowboy) and Pena das Selvas (the
jungle king). They were Fethry lookalikes conceived and drawn by
Fethry himself as part of his job in Scrooge's publishing company.
The stories alternate between Fethry's studio (Scrooge himself appears
frequently, criticizing Fethry's work) and the adventurous character
in-story; sometimes, however, Pena Kid and Pena das Selvas appear as
standalone characters.
[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed)
Fluks, H.W.
Hard Haid Moe's story (Rich)
Message 468 -
1998-01-29 at 21:33:24
Marco:
>The first appearance of Hard Haid Moe is reportedly on a Studio Disney Story
>by Kinney and Hubbard which appeared on "Topolino" #462.
Of course you're referring to the first *Italian* appearance. The
Italians
may have reprinted the stories out of order. That's what the Dutch
did when they introduced Ferthy...
--Harry.
>The first appearance of Hard Haid Moe is reportedly on a Studio Disney Story
>by Kinney and Hubbard which appeared on "Topolino" #462.
Of course you're referring to the first *Italian* appearance. The
Italians
may have reprinted the stories out of order. That's what the Dutch
did when they introduced Ferthy...
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Translating Mark Twain
Message 469 -
1998-01-29 at 22:03:46
Stefan:
[About footnotes in a translation:]
>Seein' as how these fine people
>outnumber me by several hundred percent, one might
>surmise that I'd be tempted to change my ways. Not so!
Well, maybe I can balance the percentage a bit: I too think
that Disney comics should not have footnotes about the
translation. To me that would be like an explaining
footnote in the subtitles of a foreign movie. (Americans
probably won't know what I'm talking about.. 8-)
If people want the original intention of a comic, they
should read it in the original language.
If they just want to enjoy the story, they should
read the translation.
If they want to enjoy the efforts of the translator,
they should read the translation AND the original.
I often like to see what a translator did with
a story (you can call that one of my hobbies).
One example I remember from a Barks story:
The "thinking boxes" story (WDC 141). In
the final panel, Donald says something to
the rabbit (I don't even recall what). In the
Dutch translation, he simply says "KWAAK
KWAAK KWAAK!"
(Looking at the art, I think the Dutch had
no English original when the translation was
made. Maybe the Scandinavian and/or
German versions had a similar "translation"?)
>when Scrooge specifically is in America, should I use "dollar"
>as the given currency instead of "kronor", which is
>otherwise legal tender all over the Swedish Disney
>comics world?
The Dutch often use other descriptions, like "dubbeltje" (dime),
"cent", "kwartje" (quarter), "tientje" (banknote of 10) which
could be used for any currency.
It did amaze me that they translated all the geography in
Lo$ (and in other Rosa stories) literally. But then again,
these stories were published in "Donald Duck Extra", which
is for the older readers, who are probably less
critical about where Duckburg is supposed to be.
>countries like Italy, where nobody tries to
>pretend that the Ducks live anywhere else than real-life America
When I first saw an Italian comic, I was amazed that they used
the $-sign on Scrooge's bin. And the characters even GRUNT
and SNORT in (American) English!
>> Translating surely is a difficult job, one where is nearly
>> impossible to make everyone happy, I'm afraid.
>Well said, old chum!
But I think that is exactly what makes a translator's job
interesting. (I'm not a translator myself, but translating
comics sure sounds like a fine job!)
--Harry.
Leidschendam, The Netherlands.
("Oxsmith?" "No, Locksmith, with an L!"
"Repareert u ook oude koeien?" "Nee, alleen sloten!")
><><><><
[About footnotes in a translation:]
>Seein' as how these fine people
>outnumber me by several hundred percent, one might
>surmise that I'd be tempted to change my ways. Not so!
Well, maybe I can balance the percentage a bit: I too think
that Disney comics should not have footnotes about the
translation. To me that would be like an explaining
footnote in the subtitles of a foreign movie. (Americans
probably won't know what I'm talking about.. 8-)
If people want the original intention of a comic, they
should read it in the original language.
If they just want to enjoy the story, they should
read the translation.
If they want to enjoy the efforts of the translator,
they should read the translation AND the original.
I often like to see what a translator did with
a story (you can call that one of my hobbies).
One example I remember from a Barks story:
The "thinking boxes" story (WDC 141). In
the final panel, Donald says something to
the rabbit (I don't even recall what). In the
Dutch translation, he simply says "KWAAK
KWAAK KWAAK!"
(Looking at the art, I think the Dutch had
no English original when the translation was
made. Maybe the Scandinavian and/or
German versions had a similar "translation"?)
>when Scrooge specifically is in America, should I use "dollar"
>as the given currency instead of "kronor", which is
>otherwise legal tender all over the Swedish Disney
>comics world?
The Dutch often use other descriptions, like "dubbeltje" (dime),
"cent", "kwartje" (quarter), "tientje" (banknote of 10) which
could be used for any currency.
It did amaze me that they translated all the geography in
Lo$ (and in other Rosa stories) literally. But then again,
these stories were published in "Donald Duck Extra", which
is for the older readers, who are probably less
critical about where Duckburg is supposed to be.
>countries like Italy, where nobody tries to
>pretend that the Ducks live anywhere else than real-life America
When I first saw an Italian comic, I was amazed that they used
the $-sign on Scrooge's bin. And the characters even GRUNT
and SNORT in (American) English!
>> Translating surely is a difficult job, one where is nearly
>> impossible to make everyone happy, I'm afraid.
>Well said, old chum!
But I think that is exactly what makes a translator's job
interesting. (I'm not a translator myself, but translating
comics sure sounds like a fine job!)
--Harry.
Leidschendam, The Netherlands.
("Oxsmith?" "No, Locksmith, with an L!"
"Repareert u ook oude koeien?" "Nee, alleen sloten!")
><><><><
David B. Fenske
Metric
Message 470 -
1998-01-29 at 22:04:00
At 01:33 PM 1/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>TO: (Email removed)
>
>
>"Acres really don't make much sense outside North America"
>
>Excuse me but Canada is part of the North American continent and is a metric
>country. The lone wolf is the USA.
Whoaa Nelly!
True, Canada has gone metric, but it is a far cry to say that we are a
metric country! While most younger folks are now happy with kilometers and
Celsius, there are many who still prefer miles and Fahrenheit (especially
the older folk). And when you go shopping, prices are given in both $/kg
and $/lb (lb is short for pound for you metric-only types). Most people
still convert kg into lb for price comparisons etc. We have gotten rid of
the gallon, and are now pretty used to liters. BUT when people ask how
tall you are, the answer is *always* 6 feet 4 inches, 5 foot 2, etc. In
the lab where I work, we have a Post-Doc from the Netherlands, and she is
amazed at this, and gives her height in meters (1.83...). This is just
incomprehensable to most Canadians.
So yes, we're officially metric. But we only use about half the units, and
still prefer many of the old "British Imperial Units." And you know
something, I like that! There's something important about maintaining the
links with your past. And in many cases, such as acres, farmland parcels
were distributed in those units, so they're nice even numbers. There used
to be a nice even number of miles between our roads, now there's an odd
number of km. And on it goes... a country of contradictions.
With time, alas, all the older units will probably go. I was raised on the
Fahrenheit temperature scale, but now I much prefer Celsius. And km or
miles are both OK in my book. Same with lb. and kg. Liters too... think I
prefer them to gallons and pints and quarts (how many pints in a gallon??).
But a persons height will always be in feet!
Dave F.
>
>Q. How can you tell a Canadian from an American.
>A. Call the Canadian and American.
I think that would be "Call the Canadian *an* American." And yes, that
usually does the trick!
There are other ways, of course... :-)
Dave F.
>
>King Wog Of Norwalk, the touchy
Classy handle...
>
>
>
>TO: (Email removed)
>
>
>"Acres really don't make much sense outside North America"
>
>Excuse me but Canada is part of the North American continent and is a metric
>country. The lone wolf is the USA.
Whoaa Nelly!
True, Canada has gone metric, but it is a far cry to say that we are a
metric country! While most younger folks are now happy with kilometers and
Celsius, there are many who still prefer miles and Fahrenheit (especially
the older folk). And when you go shopping, prices are given in both $/kg
and $/lb (lb is short for pound for you metric-only types). Most people
still convert kg into lb for price comparisons etc. We have gotten rid of
the gallon, and are now pretty used to liters. BUT when people ask how
tall you are, the answer is *always* 6 feet 4 inches, 5 foot 2, etc. In
the lab where I work, we have a Post-Doc from the Netherlands, and she is
amazed at this, and gives her height in meters (1.83...). This is just
incomprehensable to most Canadians.
So yes, we're officially metric. But we only use about half the units, and
still prefer many of the old "British Imperial Units." And you know
something, I like that! There's something important about maintaining the
links with your past. And in many cases, such as acres, farmland parcels
were distributed in those units, so they're nice even numbers. There used
to be a nice even number of miles between our roads, now there's an odd
number of km. And on it goes... a country of contradictions.
With time, alas, all the older units will probably go. I was raised on the
Fahrenheit temperature scale, but now I much prefer Celsius. And km or
miles are both OK in my book. Same with lb. and kg. Liters too... think I
prefer them to gallons and pints and quarts (how many pints in a gallon??).
But a persons height will always be in feet!
Dave F.
>
>Q. How can you tell a Canadian from an American.
>A. Call the Canadian and American.
I think that would be "Call the Canadian *an* American." And yes, that
usually does the trick!
There are other ways, of course... :-)
Dave F.
>
>King Wog Of Norwalk, the touchy
Classy handle...
>
>
>
Fluks, H.W.
Bellacera, Pegasus, or Xephyr
Message 471 -
1998-01-29 at 22:09:41
Last saturday, Rich wrote:
>if I recall correctly, there is at least one country
>in Europe (Holland?) which actually *banned* Donald for a while
for that very reason! [not enough clothes]
>Well, I think there was actually a little more
>to it (having something to do with promoting extramarital sex
>which they mistakenly attributed to the reason he has three *sons*
>who have no mother). Perhaps someone on the List knows the
>whole, or correct story behind this.
I don't know the story, but I'm almost certain that it wasn't
Holland! Have you ever been to Amsterdam? 8-)
--Harry.
Leidschendam, The Netherlands
(Catching up with old mail)
>if I recall correctly, there is at least one country
>in Europe (Holland?) which actually *banned* Donald for a while
for that very reason! [not enough clothes]
>Well, I think there was actually a little more
>to it (having something to do with promoting extramarital sex
>which they mistakenly attributed to the reason he has three *sons*
>who have no mother). Perhaps someone on the List knows the
>whole, or correct story behind this.
I don't know the story, but I'm almost certain that it wasn't
Holland! Have you ever been to Amsterdam? 8-)
--Harry.
Leidschendam, The Netherlands
(Catching up with old mail)
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Hard Haid Moe (again) - Definitive news
Message 472 -
1998-01-29 at 22:30:27
Back to the drawing board...
After earlier today citing X 4029 ("It's Music?"), X 4066 ("Pop
Goes the Art"), X 4083 ("Must The Show Go On?") and X 4084 ("King of the
Country") as potential candidates for TOPOLINO 462's first appearance of
Moe, I learned that X 4066 and X 4084 both saw print here (as our own
mailing-list database could have told me, and now has). Neither with
Moe. Geez.
But additional research shows that X 4029 is the one! The
10-pager "It's Music?" - a story where Donald and banjo-twanging Fethry
go off into the wilderness - is the one Becattini cites as the first
appearance of Hard Haid Moe. This is the one in TOPOLINO 462.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
After earlier today citing X 4029 ("It's Music?"), X 4066 ("Pop
Goes the Art"), X 4083 ("Must The Show Go On?") and X 4084 ("King of the
Country") as potential candidates for TOPOLINO 462's first appearance of
Moe, I learned that X 4066 and X 4084 both saw print here (as our own
mailing-list database could have told me, and now has). Neither with
Moe. Geez.
But additional research shows that X 4029 is the one! The
10-pager "It's Music?" - a story where Donald and banjo-twanging Fethry
go off into the wilderness - is the one Becattini cites as the first
appearance of Hard Haid Moe. This is the one in TOPOLINO 462.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
D Decker
Metric
Message 473 -
1998-01-29 at 22:39:22
> >Q. How can you tell a Canadian from an American.
> >A. Call the Canadian and American.
>
> I think that would be "Call the Canadian *an* American." And yes, that
> usually does the trick!
>
> There are other ways, of course... :-)
>
One sure way is use of the term "North American." Our neighbors to the North
use it frequently, Unitedstatians seldom use the term. Example: asked whether
one uses the NTSC or PAL TV format, a Canadian will say, "We use NTSC in North
America" (meaning both the US and Canada), while a Yank will say, "I don't know
what you're talking about -- we just turn the TV on in America and that's good
enough for us" (meaning just the US). I think it stems in part from the fact
that Canadians are very much aware of that big noisy country south of them,
while USers seldom think of Canada at all except when cold weather is blowing
in from that direction or the Blue Jays are winning the World Series. Anyway,
if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for where he
lives, he's probably Canadian.
--Dwight Decker
> >A. Call the Canadian and American.
>
> I think that would be "Call the Canadian *an* American." And yes, that
> usually does the trick!
>
> There are other ways, of course... :-)
>
One sure way is use of the term "North American." Our neighbors to the North
use it frequently, Unitedstatians seldom use the term. Example: asked whether
one uses the NTSC or PAL TV format, a Canadian will say, "We use NTSC in North
America" (meaning both the US and Canada), while a Yank will say, "I don't know
what you're talking about -- we just turn the TV on in America and that's good
enough for us" (meaning just the US). I think it stems in part from the fact
that Canadians are very much aware of that big noisy country south of them,
while USers seldom think of Canada at all except when cold weather is blowing
in from that direction or the Blue Jays are winning the World Series. Anyway,
if somebody is using the term "North America" as a general term for where he
lives, he's probably Canadian.
--Dwight Decker
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Metric & football
Message 474 -
1998-01-30 at 00:03:43
(Email removed) wrote:
> "Acres really don't make much sense outside North America"
>
> Excuse me but Canada is part of the North American continent and is a
> metric
> country. The lone wolf is the USA.
Well, acres may be okay, I was merely referring to the
fact that 'cubic acres' corresponds to e.g.
'cubic squaremetres' or something like that.
Anyway, this was all formerly debatted some months ago,
I was told...
On "real" football & U$: I can think of several occations
where Donald participated in the game and some where
U$ was the coach.
S=F8ren
> "Acres really don't make much sense outside North America"
>
> Excuse me but Canada is part of the North American continent and is a
> metric
> country. The lone wolf is the USA.
Well, acres may be okay, I was merely referring to the
fact that 'cubic acres' corresponds to e.g.
'cubic squaremetres' or something like that.
Anyway, this was all formerly debatted some months ago,
I was told...
On "real" football & U$: I can think of several occations
where Donald participated in the game and some where
U$ was the coach.
S=F8ren
Michael Naiman
CBG Awards
Message 475 -
1998-01-30 at 00:37:19
According to the latest issue of CBG (#1264 dated February 6, 1998) this
year's votes will only be accepted on original ballots. No photo copies or
faxes will be counted. Looks like the ballot box stuffing incident of a few
years back resulting in a Barks "landslide" will not happen again....I'm
sure that the secretaries, mailroom sorters, parking lot sweepers, vending
machine suppliers, office supply clerks, and janitors at the various Disney
publishing firms are relieved that their arms will not have to be twisted
into voting the "party line" this year.
year's votes will only be accepted on original ballots. No photo copies or
faxes will be counted. Looks like the ballot box stuffing incident of a few
years back resulting in a Barks "landslide" will not happen again....I'm
sure that the secretaries, mailroom sorters, parking lot sweepers, vending
machine suppliers, office supply clerks, and janitors at the various Disney
publishing firms are relieved that their arms will not have to be twisted
into voting the "party line" this year.
Luca Boschi
Hard Haid Moe (again) - Definitive news
Message 476 -
1998-01-30 at 00:49:09
Gerstein, David DK - ECN wrote:
> After earlier today citing X 4029 ("It's Music?"), X 4066 ("Pop
> Goes the Art"), X 4083 ("Must The Show Go On?") and X 4084 ("King of the
> Country") as potential candidates for TOPOLINO 462's first appearance of
> Moe, I learned that X 4066 and X 4084 both saw print here (as our own
> mailing-list database could have told me, and now has). Neither with
> Moe. Geez.
> But additional research shows that X 4029 is the one! The
> 10-pager "It's Music?" - a story where Donald and banjo-twanging Fethry
> go off into the wilderness - is the one Becattini cites as the first
> appearance of Hard Haid Moe. This is the one in TOPOLINO 462.
>
> David Gerstein
> <(Email removed)>
So it is! I'm coming back from a travel, and I read both your messages
(question and answer). Surely your researches go in the right
direction. I always have known that the story in "Topolino" 462 is the
first appearance of Hard Haid Moe. A lot of times I tried to let it
reprint, with a proper presentation, in the monthly PAPERINO, but it
seems noone was interested to this character. I can only add that in
Italy it was 13 pages long (trimmed, glued, partially redrawn to fit)
and its title is PAPERINO E LO STORNELLO ALLA PAGE.
> After earlier today citing X 4029 ("It's Music?"), X 4066 ("Pop
> Goes the Art"), X 4083 ("Must The Show Go On?") and X 4084 ("King of the
> Country") as potential candidates for TOPOLINO 462's first appearance of
> Moe, I learned that X 4066 and X 4084 both saw print here (as our own
> mailing-list database could have told me, and now has). Neither with
> Moe. Geez.
> But additional research shows that X 4029 is the one! The
> 10-pager "It's Music?" - a story where Donald and banjo-twanging Fethry
> go off into the wilderness - is the one Becattini cites as the first
> appearance of Hard Haid Moe. This is the one in TOPOLINO 462.
>
> David Gerstein
> <(Email removed)>
So it is! I'm coming back from a travel, and I read both your messages
(question and answer). Surely your researches go in the right
direction. I always have known that the story in "Topolino" 462 is the
first appearance of Hard Haid Moe. A lot of times I tried to let it
reprint, with a proper presentation, in the monthly PAPERINO, but it
seems noone was interested to this character. I can only add that in
Italy it was 13 pages long (trimmed, glued, partially redrawn to fit)
and its title is PAPERINO E LO STORNELLO ALLA PAGE.
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Hard Haid Moe
Message 477 -
1998-01-30 at 01:01:21
Hi Rich (and everyone).
The cuts in "Mountain Magic" as presented in WWOD 1 amount to
just three panels' worth.
The first comes on Page 2 of the WWOD edition: between panels 11
(Donald seeing the sign) and 12 (Fethry shouting) is an additional panel
of Fethry turning to Don and holding up two fingers in a "peace" symbol
(or something).
Then on WWOD page 4, between panels 9 (close-up of Moe) and 10
(Moe leading Fethry to the oak tree) was a deleted panel of DD watching
and gloating at Fethry's upcoming hard time.
Finally Panel 11 (Moe raising the sack over Fethry's head) was
originally a taller panel, also encompassing Donald watching from the
tree above.
And that's it. Really, you're pretty close to having the whole
thing.
Also re: MOE - I suspect this is his first USA appearance, but
until yesterday, I hadn't known that he made *any* USA appearances, and
now I know I'm wrong about that. So who knows? I think for now it's
probably a safe bet to call this Moe's first USA appearance if it's
definitely the first issue of WWOD (because I don't believe any other
USA publication used S-coded stories until the 1980s). But I could be
wrong.
Re: FETHRY - he's also in DD 106, Joe Torcivia tells me. And I
*know* he's in WDC&S 509 (one of Whitman's very last issues) from having
the issue in my own collection.
Re: TABBY - Tabby is both scared of and disgusted by Fethry most
of the time, if you can call that a rapport! ;-) Actually there are a
few stories where Tabby willingly obeys Fethry (like a time when Fethry
uses him as a hunting cat in the woods!), but he always regrets it and
heads Donaldward fast in the end. Whether WWOD 1 is Tabby's first USA
appearance is unknown to me, although if he's not in the DD 106 Fethry
story, I'd bet the answer is yes.
And there *are* stories both S- and I-coded where Tabby appears
with Donald and Scrooge or (a little more often) Donald and the nephews,
but for some reason he tends to appear in the Fethry stories most often
- and then, to the exclusion of other characters (like Scrooge and the
kids).
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
The cuts in "Mountain Magic" as presented in WWOD 1 amount to
just three panels' worth.
The first comes on Page 2 of the WWOD edition: between panels 11
(Donald seeing the sign) and 12 (Fethry shouting) is an additional panel
of Fethry turning to Don and holding up two fingers in a "peace" symbol
(or something).
Then on WWOD page 4, between panels 9 (close-up of Moe) and 10
(Moe leading Fethry to the oak tree) was a deleted panel of DD watching
and gloating at Fethry's upcoming hard time.
Finally Panel 11 (Moe raising the sack over Fethry's head) was
originally a taller panel, also encompassing Donald watching from the
tree above.
And that's it. Really, you're pretty close to having the whole
thing.
Also re: MOE - I suspect this is his first USA appearance, but
until yesterday, I hadn't known that he made *any* USA appearances, and
now I know I'm wrong about that. So who knows? I think for now it's
probably a safe bet to call this Moe's first USA appearance if it's
definitely the first issue of WWOD (because I don't believe any other
USA publication used S-coded stories until the 1980s). But I could be
wrong.
Re: FETHRY - he's also in DD 106, Joe Torcivia tells me. And I
*know* he's in WDC&S 509 (one of Whitman's very last issues) from having
the issue in my own collection.
Re: TABBY - Tabby is both scared of and disgusted by Fethry most
of the time, if you can call that a rapport! ;-) Actually there are a
few stories where Tabby willingly obeys Fethry (like a time when Fethry
uses him as a hunting cat in the woods!), but he always regrets it and
heads Donaldward fast in the end. Whether WWOD 1 is Tabby's first USA
appearance is unknown to me, although if he's not in the DD 106 Fethry
story, I'd bet the answer is yes.
And there *are* stories both S- and I-coded where Tabby appears
with Donald and Scrooge or (a little more often) Donald and the nephews,
but for some reason he tends to appear in the Fethry stories most often
- and then, to the exclusion of other characters (like Scrooge and the
kids).
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Marco Barlotti
Translation of Don's stories on "Zio Paperone"
Message 478 -
1998-01-30 at 01:33:33
ETA BETA:
>> Mark Twain is quite popular in Italy as well, and the legend about his
>name
>> is well known, so I think the translator purposedly avoided the Mark
>Twain reference.
>
BROR:
>I wonder why they would do such a thing.
;-)
(Sorry, I couldn't resist that. The inside joke is for those who followed my
polemics on Italian translations on this list about one year ago)
Marco
>> Mark Twain is quite popular in Italy as well, and the legend about his
>name
>> is well known, so I think the translator purposedly avoided the Mark
>Twain reference.
>
BROR:
>I wonder why they would do such a thing.
;-)
(Sorry, I couldn't resist that. The inside joke is for those who followed my
polemics on Italian translations on this list about one year ago)
Marco
Marco Barlotti
First Hard Haid Moe story
Message 479 -
1998-01-30 at 01:33:42
Rich asked for the publication date of "Topolino" #462, carrying the first
HHM story ever.
It's October 4th 1964.
David also asked whether the Italian version of Mountain Magic had some
panels deleted, or some panels added with respect to the version that Rich
scanned.
It's quite surprising that the answer is: BOTH.
Some panels are in "Topolino" but not in the GULF comic book; and the LAST
panel is certainly abridged in "Topolino". Looks like there was a "basic"
version from which both the Italian and the Gulf versions were derived....
Strange enough!
Marco
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HHM story ever.
It's October 4th 1964.
David also asked whether the Italian version of Mountain Magic had some
panels deleted, or some panels added with respect to the version that Rich
scanned.
It's quite surprising that the answer is: BOTH.
Some panels are in "Topolino" but not in the GULF comic book; and the LAST
panel is certainly abridged in "Topolino". Looks like there was a "basic"
version from which both the Italian and the Gulf versions were derived....
Strange enough!
Marco
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Dave Rawson
Promotions
Message 480 -
1998-01-30 at 01:43:40
ALL:
A couple of upcoming stories caught my eye. The first is THE
GROUCH KINGS OF DUCKBURG [D96186] written by John Lustig and drawn
by Branca. The other is SASQUATCHING [D97012] written by Shaun
Craill and drawn by Torres.
THE GROUCH KINGS OF DUCKBURG will be published in Egmont's Donald
Duck Weekly #17. It's notable to me for two reasons, list-member
John Lustig's lively dialog and Branca's uncharacteristic (to my
eye) freneticism.
John always turns a phrase better and more consistently than
almost any Duck writer I know. There's a purposely inflated
grandiloquence to the language that is musical when read aloud.
So exaggerated, extended and lively is the art in this story that
I would never recognize it as Branca's were it not for his credit.
Not that Branca's work lacks life. Far from it. But this feels
like a Van Horn story drawn by someone else. Gone even are the
block-jawed, beautifully featured character faces that usually tip
me to a Branca creation.
Here there's hardly a panel where the characters are not in the
throes of some uncontainable behavior. If John's still around, I
have to ask, how much of what we're seeing is due to John's panel
descriptions? How much to Branca experimenting with a different
look (or at least one unfamiliar to me)?
SASQUATCHING, written by list-member and New Zealander newlywed
Shaun Crail, is a Junior Woodchucks 6-page story of
live-and-let-live. It's drawn by Torres and scheduled to appear in
Egmont's Donald Duck Weekly #16. When I met Shaun and his bride,
Moira, last December (as I believe Didier and Francois did soon
thereafter), he showed me a version of this very same story.
As I've said before, I think shorter stories are harder to do well
because the inescapable fundamental overhead (establish
protagonist and motivation, antagonist and motivation, their
conflict, complication and resolution) is the same as in longer
stories, leaving less room for development of other subtexts or
gag sequences.
This, I seem to remember, is Shaun's debut work. If so, Egmont
should consider soliciting more work from the lad as he moves the
story along very well with colorful characters matched with
appropriate lingo worthy of anyone writing in the English
language, especially when sounding like a regional dialect of the
United Sates as they do here, remarkable for a Kiwi, let alone for
a first effort.
I especially like the deft conclusion. I don't think I could pull
off so much change in so few panels and end on such a lyric note.
Francois Willot <(Email removed)>:
DCR> If others view that as "promotion," well, I guess I'll
DCR> have to live with that view. Come to think of it, I do
consciously
DCR> promote the artists and other collaborators. So I guess it's
fair
DCR> to call it promotion. I think it's important for such
creators to
DCR> get their due.
> Maybe the word sounds wrong to you, but in your case, you send
> messages to fans and persons who are intersted by Disney comics. It
> has nothing to do with a commercial promotion...
That's my thinking. That's your thinking. But I've learned I can't
reasonably predict others perception of my intent, based on my
actual intent. They bring a whole world-view of their own to such
things and often see things proven which have no basis in fact.
Once such things are seen, there is no convincing them otherwise
since, of course, anything I say about my intent is automatically
suspect. Such is the way of the world. One can only laugh and move
on.
After all, in my country, about 30% of the population believes
Elvis is still alive, a bit more than half believe there are
aliens amongst us, and virtually the same number don't know it
takes the Earth a year to travel around the sun. In fact,
according to the 1996 National Science Board survey of scientific
literacy (which also provided the previous statistic), 27% of
adults in the United States still believe the Sun revolves around
the Earth!
> People will find credits in a lot of Egmont publications and creators
> like you will be acknowledged.
Yes. I think it's great that Egmont's incredible roster of talent
will finally have a chance to get their due. I predict this will
work to Egmont's advantage (apart from the creator-friendliness of
it all) because they will be able to grow interest in their many,
many story-tellers, rather than just an immediately recognizable
few.
Look at the success of Carl Barks, Don Rosa and William Van Horn
whenever they appear in Europe or create a new project. Now, folks
will be able to laud deserving artists like Vicar, Branca,
Ferioli, Cavazano, Rota and many, many others as well as brilliant
wordsmiths like John Lustig and David Gerstein. (Though I suppose
it will always be harder for writers to win recognition -- both
because ultimately it's not their words, but a translation being
read and because few people understand what an Egmont comic book
writer does.)
> As for your "promotion" messages, the stories you're talking about are
> unfortunately published long after here, so I can't say anything about
> them.
I'll see what I can do to change that. I'll try to send you
copies, if you wish. Contact me privately to work out the details.
> The last story you wrote which was published here is D 92281, "US One
> of a kind", drawn by Rodriques (or Paco Rodriguez). I hope you will
> not do Duck Tales stories anymore, because I don't like them...
ONE OF A KIND is a sentimental favorite of mine because I get to
explain to the young people the world over what junk bond dealers
are all about and why destroying real goods and job producing
companies on the altar of short-term greed is no good for society.
Sorry you didn't like it, but I'm glad to hear it nonetheless. It
makes your likes more believable!
I'm not sure I understand your allusion to Duck Tales stories.
This wasn't one. I've never written one. I've barely seen one.
Perhaps you confused the look of the Mother Mallard character (she
of the Homemade Marmalade fame) with the matronly character from
Duck Tales. Perhaps I'd best ask, what did you mean?
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
A couple of upcoming stories caught my eye. The first is THE
GROUCH KINGS OF DUCKBURG [D96186] written by John Lustig and drawn
by Branca. The other is SASQUATCHING [D97012] written by Shaun
Craill and drawn by Torres.
THE GROUCH KINGS OF DUCKBURG will be published in Egmont's Donald
Duck Weekly #17. It's notable to me for two reasons, list-member
John Lustig's lively dialog and Branca's uncharacteristic (to my
eye) freneticism.
John always turns a phrase better and more consistently than
almost any Duck writer I know. There's a purposely inflated
grandiloquence to the language that is musical when read aloud.
So exaggerated, extended and lively is the art in this story that
I would never recognize it as Branca's were it not for his credit.
Not that Branca's work lacks life. Far from it. But this feels
like a Van Horn story drawn by someone else. Gone even are the
block-jawed, beautifully featured character faces that usually tip
me to a Branca creation.
Here there's hardly a panel where the characters are not in the
throes of some uncontainable behavior. If John's still around, I
have to ask, how much of what we're seeing is due to John's panel
descriptions? How much to Branca experimenting with a different
look (or at least one unfamiliar to me)?
SASQUATCHING, written by list-member and New Zealander newlywed
Shaun Crail, is a Junior Woodchucks 6-page story of
live-and-let-live. It's drawn by Torres and scheduled to appear in
Egmont's Donald Duck Weekly #16. When I met Shaun and his bride,
Moira, last December (as I believe Didier and Francois did soon
thereafter), he showed me a version of this very same story.
As I've said before, I think shorter stories are harder to do well
because the inescapable fundamental overhead (establish
protagonist and motivation, antagonist and motivation, their
conflict, complication and resolution) is the same as in longer
stories, leaving less room for development of other subtexts or
gag sequences.
This, I seem to remember, is Shaun's debut work. If so, Egmont
should consider soliciting more work from the lad as he moves the
story along very well with colorful characters matched with
appropriate lingo worthy of anyone writing in the English
language, especially when sounding like a regional dialect of the
United Sates as they do here, remarkable for a Kiwi, let alone for
a first effort.
I especially like the deft conclusion. I don't think I could pull
off so much change in so few panels and end on such a lyric note.
Francois Willot <(Email removed)>:
DCR> If others view that as "promotion," well, I guess I'll
DCR> have to live with that view. Come to think of it, I do
consciously
DCR> promote the artists and other collaborators. So I guess it's
fair
DCR> to call it promotion. I think it's important for such
creators to
DCR> get their due.
> Maybe the word sounds wrong to you, but in your case, you send
> messages to fans and persons who are intersted by Disney comics. It
> has nothing to do with a commercial promotion...
That's my thinking. That's your thinking. But I've learned I can't
reasonably predict others perception of my intent, based on my
actual intent. They bring a whole world-view of their own to such
things and often see things proven which have no basis in fact.
Once such things are seen, there is no convincing them otherwise
since, of course, anything I say about my intent is automatically
suspect. Such is the way of the world. One can only laugh and move
on.
After all, in my country, about 30% of the population believes
Elvis is still alive, a bit more than half believe there are
aliens amongst us, and virtually the same number don't know it
takes the Earth a year to travel around the sun. In fact,
according to the 1996 National Science Board survey of scientific
literacy (which also provided the previous statistic), 27% of
adults in the United States still believe the Sun revolves around
the Earth!
> People will find credits in a lot of Egmont publications and creators
> like you will be acknowledged.
Yes. I think it's great that Egmont's incredible roster of talent
will finally have a chance to get their due. I predict this will
work to Egmont's advantage (apart from the creator-friendliness of
it all) because they will be able to grow interest in their many,
many story-tellers, rather than just an immediately recognizable
few.
Look at the success of Carl Barks, Don Rosa and William Van Horn
whenever they appear in Europe or create a new project. Now, folks
will be able to laud deserving artists like Vicar, Branca,
Ferioli, Cavazano, Rota and many, many others as well as brilliant
wordsmiths like John Lustig and David Gerstein. (Though I suppose
it will always be harder for writers to win recognition -- both
because ultimately it's not their words, but a translation being
read and because few people understand what an Egmont comic book
writer does.)
> As for your "promotion" messages, the stories you're talking about are
> unfortunately published long after here, so I can't say anything about
> them.
I'll see what I can do to change that. I'll try to send you
copies, if you wish. Contact me privately to work out the details.
> The last story you wrote which was published here is D 92281, "US One
> of a kind", drawn by Rodriques (or Paco Rodriguez). I hope you will
> not do Duck Tales stories anymore, because I don't like them...
ONE OF A KIND is a sentimental favorite of mine because I get to
explain to the young people the world over what junk bond dealers
are all about and why destroying real goods and job producing
companies on the altar of short-term greed is no good for society.
Sorry you didn't like it, but I'm glad to hear it nonetheless. It
makes your likes more believable!
I'm not sure I understand your allusion to Duck Tales stories.
This wasn't one. I've never written one. I've barely seen one.
Perhaps you confused the look of the Mother Mallard character (she
of the Homemade Marmalade fame) with the matronly character from
Duck Tales. Perhaps I'd best ask, what did you mean?
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm