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ETA BETA:

The Danish name for Jubal Pomp is "N=E6bh=F8j"
or "Naebhoej". It means something like "Beakhigh"
or perhaps "Beakhill". His first appearance in
Denmark was in Scarpa's "Zio paperone e la lana vulcanica"
(I-TL-551-A) - the wool story. In this story he
was called "Uldesen" which equals "Woolson".
Also Brigitta had a different name in that story,
namely "Ulla Merino", later and now she is
"Mary Moseand" (equals "Mary Mallard").
So, you see, it's just that simple!

S=F8ren

Donald D. Markstein:

> I don't know how people manage to write the same plot
> with different characters. I can start with absolutely identical
> basic ideas, but when I spin them out into plots for different
> characters, they come out as TOTALLY different stories. I
> recently wrote a Mickey Mouse script based on an idea I've been
> kicking around in my head for a long time. Several years ago, I
> wrote an Eek! the Cat story based on the same idea -- and not
> only would you never know the stories had any but the most
> TENUOUS relationship to each other -- you'd NEVER, in a million
> years, GUESS that the first one I proposed from that idea was a
> HORROR story!

Well... Many (in my personal taste - bad) scripts are somewhat generic.

You read them and your realize that the story you are reading could
be written with completely different leading characters.

Like.. for example Donald Duck or Woody Woodpecker in my example.

I don't like to read such comics because the individual personality of
the characters (Donald, $crooge, Gladstone, Woody, etc.) are somewhat
essential to the "flavor" of the story in my opinion.

In the example I mentioned it is clearly the same author for both
stories. It's a story involving tumbleweed (I can't recall names and
dates and such.. but there should be someone on this list who recognizes
it).

The stories are identical except that one is featuring Woody Woodpecker
and the other the Ducks.

Who owns that story? Disney or Walter Lantz?

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I've seen something else as well, that illustrates a bit waht you are
saying.
Paul Murry re-made a couple of Barks-stories using Mickey Mouse. The
stories became very similar,
and yet very different. But as a primary "Duck"-fan I prefer the
Barks-version....

/ Steamboat Willie

I read with interest the Blum article ARCHONTIS (thank's, BTW :) posted in
digest #28. Hey, it's not THAT bad, is it? I mean, delving into the text
while in a cynical frame of mind, I'm sure we could all find lots of hidden
meanings/insults/attacks/whatever. But IS this text really that cynical? I
find it hard to analyse Geoffreys texts because I don't know what kind of
guy he is. No emoticons are being used to indicate what he means and it
seems to me just about everything here could well be a compliment. Is Blum
REALLY such a bad guy?
As far as revealing that certain encounter at the end of the story, I
hardly think it was a deliberate attempt at sabotage, rather just something
he didn't consider very much. Hey, I myself revealed that ending here on
the list as soon as it came out in Norway; I never even CONSIDERED that it
might spoil the story for some. To me it actually seems he is trying his
hardest to highlight what he finds positive in Don's stories.
But I must agree that it might be an idea to get some more
Rosa-scholarly person to write some of the intros. However, I also think
Blum should write some, as his texts really are fascinating at times.

GLADSTONE, GARY, why haven't you commented on what has been said about
these articles? And it would be very interesting to hear what is going on
with you people at the moment; what direction the comany's heading in etc. :-)

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I didn't get a digest today! Are there that few messages??

Anyway, just posting to remind everyone about my newly improved Money
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Enjoy!

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KATIE:
>I re-watched the DuckTales episode with Millionera Vanderbucks. I know
>the HooZoo page and others have conjectured that "Millie" and Brigitta
>are the "same" character.

As stated in the HooZoo it says Miss Vanderbucks is a *twisted* version,
but the truth is, I was merely speculating as to a possible origin for the
concept of M. Vanderbucks. In the tale, if memory serves, she did plot
to trick $crooge into marrying him with the help of he male companion.
My intent was to draw a parallel. The "DuckTales" versions the comic
book plots and characters were rarely dead-on. Even our beloved Goldie
wasn't slightly different from the Barks/Rosa version we see in comics.
I, too, would rate Millionaira and Brigitta as two distinctly different
characters, I just believe that the tale "Til Nephews Do Us Part" finds
it's roots in "Zio Paperone e il ratto di Brigitta" ("Brigitta Kidnapped").
Her partner, while not named, does look alot like Jubal Cock. Albeit, I
haven't seen the episode for about a year, so I'm speaking from a fractured
memory. Perhaps I'll move that portion of the profile to the "working
theories" section.

Recently rewatching an episode of "Quack Pack" called "Ducklaration of
Independence" I noticed an obvious, yet subtle nod to FETHRY and
HARD HAID MOE. Donald was even dressed in all red with a long
red knit cap, his feet are even exaggerated and he acts weird. The
old hermit is very reminiscent of MOE, however, in this version the
Hermit must react to the presence of Donald and primarily the Nephews.

ANOTHER WORKING THEORY:
[Katie says):
>Here's a partial list of all the people who are possible romantic
>companions of $crooge:
<snip>
>6. Miss Quackfaster (!!!)

And then signs her post as:

>Katie Sullivan
>a.k.a. "Miss Quackfaster"

Is there something we should know? ;-) [just having fun]

DAVID G.:
> Quite formally - as of right now, J. Frostfeathers Pomp and
>Jubal Pomp (Filo Sganga) are very seriously *not* the same.

Duly noted. Thank you.

> "Il Ratto di Brigitta" will be Filo's introduction to the USA.
>He's not a judge. J. Frostfeathers Pomp in "The Terror of Duckburg" *is*
>a judge. IMHO, both are pompous, albeit in different kinds of ways. End
>of story (I hope, I hope, I hope ;-)

Ya' happy now Eta??? }:-P <===Rich sticking tongue out at Eta. ;-)

BTW, is this *English* translation of "Brigitta Kidnapped" on schedule to be
publish in a Gladstone comic soon?

[changes are in order for HooZoo] .....'nuff said. ;-)

KATIE asks:
>I didn't get a digest today! Are there that few messages??

Addicting isn't it? ;-) The List is truly one of my daily highlights I must
admit. Can almost cause withdrawls if at least "one" doesn't come through.

Of course I love Disney comics, and I imagine that's why we're all here
anyhow.

Ciao [for now!].

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html

PAOLO:
>ABOUT THE PRINCE & THE PAUPER:
>The artist who wrote this recently discussed story is Sergio Asteriti,
[snip]
One of the most interesting things about this story (actually
written at Disney Comics, but certainly *drawn* by Asteritti) is that it
includes a few sequences that were cut visibly from the animated
version.
One shows Donald locked in a dungeon. He's biting his nails (?)
and glances to one side to see a skeleton posed in exactly the same way!
Scared, he flees up the stairs just as Mickey is thrown towards him, and
the two collide.
In the cartoon, we enter this sequence as Donald flees up the
stairs. We aren't exactly told from *what* he's running - but as the
camera swoops around, we can just barely make out the posed skeleton on
the distant bench where, in an obviously aborted sequence, Donald had
been sitting.

David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>

WILMER RIVERS --
>> "My own opinion is that Goldie was a one-time character in
>> "Back to the Klondike", and had Barks written stories about
>> "Back to the Transvaal", "Back to the Outback", "Back to the
>> Bad Hills", etc., we would have learned more reasons for
>> Scrooge to get a "far away look" in his eyes when he
>> remembered his life in those other places, too."
I love it! I just wish I could believe it.
No, I remember Scrooge's first description of Goldie too
well. From memory: "She was spangled and flashy, and her heart
was as hard as the ice on the tundra -- the only LIVE one I ever
knew."
Okay, maybe he was exaggerating; maybe he was misremembering;
maybe he was making it all up. But if we take him at his word,
and we really don't have any reason not to, the meaning of "the
only LIVE one I ever knew" is clear. She wasn't just a gold
field fling -- she was The Woman In His Past.

LUNA STORTA --
You don't see your proposed behavior for Goldie in an
unfavorable light? Hmm -- perhaps we're running against cultural
differences here. To MY way of thinking, abandoning your
children just because there's something else you'd rather do
than raise them is fairly reprehensible. If she found a
responsible relative to leave them with, that might mitigate it
some, but it's still a pretty slimy way to behave (and speaking
only for myself, I gotta say, if MY children ever stick ME with
the grandkids so they can go gallivanting off to the Klondike,
I'm gonna be fairly displeased with them). Stashing the kids in
an orphanage -- unless you meant some other type of "institution",
like perhaps a lunatic asylum or an insurance company -- would
mitigate it considerably less.
Of course, if she abandoned them thinking she would
thereby become rich and be able to reclaim them later (hopefully
before they grew TOO much -- and, too, before the abandonment
resulted in the legal termination of her parental rights) and
make the remainder of their childhood more affluent, it's
possible the reprehensible aspect of the act would be
overshadowed by its stupidity. But that's mere speculation; and
anyway, I'd like to think she's SMARTER than that, too.

BROR HELLMAN --
This talk about doing the same story with different
characters reminds me of an incident in the late 1960s or early
'70s. I'd recently acquired a xerox of "Pirate Gold" -- the only
way I was likely to read it, since Western didn't seem
interested in reprinting it and it was already priced out of my
range. Within days of reading it, I picked up a WD Comic Digest,
which contained the very same story -- but with Peter Pan
characters. I was shocked, dismayed and appalled -- but even
more than that, I was amused.

Quack, Don