ARCHONTIS PANTIOS to me:
D> However, as it appears now it certainly isn't a one-time project and
D> I'm getting pretty tired of the new additional chapters. Am I really
D> (almost?) the only one?
A> Getting tired? Why? Is Don dealing with the SAME periods in Scrooge's
A> life?
Yes. At least to me, the early (pre-1947) phase of Scrooge's life is one
period and I think it would be nicer if it remains dark (at least not
brighter as it is now).
On the other hand, if Don would write additional chapters which stand on
their own and don't try to clear up things in the Barks 'future' you won't
hear me complaining. It's the 'explanation' of things in the duck-universe
which bother me the most.
Of course, I may still not like the additional chapters even if they
would stand on their own, but there has also been another non-reference
Rosa-story which I wasn't very fond of (I even forgot the name). I've
never bothered about that because it stood on its own, I could simply
put it aside and wait for a better one. No criticism at all.
A> Is he repeating himself? Is he being redundant?
Not in his stories, but in laying IMO too much emphasis on certain
aspects of Scrooge's character (for example, the "I made it square"-like
comments) and also in re-using Glittering Goldie. I've always liked her
to be a mystery. Now I really don't see what - concerning Don's stories -
keeps Goldie and Scrooge apart.
A> I don't think so. Hence, I'm not sure I understand the meaning of
A> "tired".
Why? Do you think there's something deeper in it? There isn't. I meant
it as "bored" and... eh... "tired". (Is there another word for it?
I mean that situation in which eyelids get heavy, etc.)
A> Again, it must be something else that you want to say, rather than
A> "tiring". And while you say that you just want to criticize Don's work,
A> you dance around the issue and you're just an inch short from saying
A> what is so transparent from your "ramplings": you seem to *resent* Don's
A> work and what he's doing with the Ducks...
Oh no, this certainly isn't the case! A lot of Don's stories are my
favourite Duck-stories:
"Son of the Sun", "His Majesty McDuck", "Crocodile Collector", "Treasure
Under Glass", "Island on the Edge of Time" (even though I could predict
the ending), "Nobody's Business", the pumpkin-tenpager, "Mythical
Menagery", "Metaphorically Spanking", "Recalled Wreck", "The Curse of
Nostrildamus", "Treasure of the Ten Avatars", "The Duck Who Never Was",
the Lillehammer-story, the fish-balloon story, the skyscraper-story,
"A Matter of Some Gravity", and why do I have the feeling there still
are more?
Quite a lot of favourite stories for an artist whose work I "resent". And
when Harry visited me a month ago I came with an idea to include Don's
best fan-drawings (mostly the coloured ones) in the database, simply
because I think a lot of them are so much a piece of art on their own
that I certainly wouldn't like to see them fading into history.
BTW. I mentioned some stories which do refer to history or older Barks-
stories. My most favourite Rosa-stories "Son of the Sun" for example
refers to Barks' inca-story, and "His Majesty McDuck" explains why
Cornelius Coot is holding the corns. Heck, I also like the "Of Ducks
and Dimes and Destinies"!
What I want to say with this is that you *won't* hear me saying that Don
should not refer back *at all*. What I try to say is it shouldn't be so
heavily and not as an attempt to 'order' the Barks universe and to write
a (longer) history for the ducks and Duckburg.
A> There, slowly, but steadily you get closer and closer at expressing that
A> resentment. I've seen that attitude before. It's an attitude shared by a
A> number of "Barks purists".
If so, what would be wrong with it? I see the Barks universe as being
complete and IMO there's certainly no need to revisit it. If in the future
a new artist starts making references to Don's stories and/or revisit
them, it would also bother me. What fun would it be if the Ducks would go
dive into the lake to find the "Son of the Sun" treasure back? Or if
Scrooge would have another attempt to get the Nostrildamus-medallion in
his possesion? Maybe Scrooge wants to become majesty again? What would be
the sense of it? The stories become longer, but the rinse gets thinner.
I'm *not* a Barks-purist, the only thing that could be seen as a Barks-
puristic vision is that Duckburg should stay free from all-too-much facts.
Put Fethry into it, let Magica live in a castle with her grandmother,
take Ludwig von drake out of his undeserved prison, let the Beagle Boys
have their little nephews... I really don't mind! Money-bin on the corner
of the street? Scrooge living in a mansion? Great!
But please don't go back to older stories, making them multi-parted and
or tying them into a frame... *that* is what I object to!
A> At times, however, you seem to contradict yourself: you "accuse" Rosa of
A> "heavily leaning on Barks' work", while at the same time you accost him
A> for making the Ducks "different".
Well, you can add them up: Leaning on Barks' work *and* making the Ducks
different. Later in your letter you talk about "duck-schizophrenia" and
this might be about the feeling I get. I see Barks' universe with different
Ducks in it: a different opinion and a different behaviour.
A> Different, I presume, when compared to the Barksian canon?
Not only the Barksian canon.
A> Or maybe, you're afraid that Rosa is creating (unknowingly so, I'm sure)
A> a new canon?
Yes.
A> Gosh, this sounds really threatening! But to WHOM?
To me, for example, but also to the Duck universe as it has been for
quite a while. It even might even threaten Don's own work, because one
day he will run out of history and revelations and what can he do then?
I guess then he'll see the limitations he made by trying to make so much
facts. An example could be that his Duckburg never can change radically
into another direction because he's stuck in 1954. He easily could solve
it by saying it happened at the end, but then it would always be autumn or
winter! Maybe Don can go to 1955? Or 1956? Maybe, but after this he'll
have to show his ducks grown older! What I want to say with this is that
every revelation today might be a limitation tomorrow.
Of course this would be Don's problem, not mine. I can only be sad that
the artist whose work I once liked so much (counting the weeks until the
next monthly would come with another one), has so radically changed the
Ducks. But as long as Don does it without interferring so obviously with
the Barks-ducks, you certainly won't hear me complain the way I do now.
A> So there it is...It's not that Rosa leans heavily on Barks. It's that
A> his Ducks are really non-Barks!
Then how come they have the "Billions in the Hole" shrink-device in
"Shrinking Tightwad", how come they say they're in "Trala-la" *again*,
or in "Plain Awul"? All adventures once done by Barks' ducks and still
they're not the same as Rosa's?
A> I DON'T WISH TO JUST ENSHRINE BARKS' WORK AND WORSHIP HIM IN ETERNITY.
A> Let new people unleash their creative juices.
Exactly my point, leave the Barks-world alone and create independent
stories.
A> Out-of-character? According to whose definition of this character? So,
A> now Don is an iconoclast?
You mean a person destroying 'statues'? In a way, yes. If you obviously
place your stories in another artist's world and change it, for example
by writing a (too long) history which the 'original' avoided, then
I indeed think one could call himself a 'iconoclast'.
The lack of a strong cohesion in Barks' world is *intended*, so I guess
in that way it's a good word, yes.
A> He somehow threatens this pristine Barksian universe you've been so
A> comfortable with?
Yes
A> And you have taken it upon yourself to chastise Don for "really not
A> understanding the characters"? What do we have here? A religious or
A> ideological dogma or something? And you are one of its guardians?
No, just a comic-book fan who likes to read about ducks in his leisure
time.
D> Why not? Of course this will make him an faithless person, because poor
D> Goldie is still waiting for him in/around his old shack.
A> Sarcasm? Is this your idea of well-intentioned criticism?
Yes, I tried to give a view on what might be going to happen if Duckburg
really gets to tight. Some readers will *really* think that way then, and
not as being sarcastic!
A> You obviously resent Rosa for doing all these new spins on the Ducks,
A> you stop reading him, then you start again, etc. etc.
As soon as I see an independent Rosa-story, I'll read it, yes. Is it really
all or nothing when you like an artists work?
A> Hey, IT'S ALL ABOUT COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS!!! JUST ENJOY THE DAMNED
A> THINGS!!!
That is exactly my point, but then don't add a real-life world around
it and keep the ducks faithful to their model.
D> Ending this rambling, I can say that I know I will regret this letter.
D> Not because of my opinion, but because I'm afraid the list won't be as
D> nice to me anymore as it was before.
A> Well, Daniel, you can judge for yourself...
I really have no idea. All went fine, but I'm afraid that - with Don's
recent descision to lurk - some people will now point at me as the one
who caused it. Not a very nice thought, as I think that would be very
unfair.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Archontis Pantsios (History is unpredictable II)
Message 286 -
1998-01-19 at 02:38:43
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks' Donald hot-tempered?
Message 287 -
1998-01-19 at 02:56:56
B. MARTIN:
> I personally find Rosa's presentation of Donald superior to Barks'.
> Donald as a hot-tempered, ill-mannered lout is so tiresome. I have
> never had any interest in the temper-tantrums of Donald in comics or
> cartoons.
I've seen this mentioned here before. Why do people think that a Barks
Donald or a 'in-character' Donald is a hot tempered one? Maybe this was
the case up to around 1946, but then a more indepth Donald began to see
the light.
Please take a look at these stories:
- OS 223 "Lost in the Andes" - page 31 - panels 3-6
Donald and the nephews sitting in the rain.
- OS 256 "Luck of the North" - page 7-8 (entirely)
- OS 300 "Big-top Bedlam" - page 26-28
Donald having a party in himself untill..
- OS 328 "In Old California - page 26 - panels 5-7
Donald and the nephews saying goodbye to Rolando
(look at his hands on the nephews' shoulders).
- OS 386 "Only a Poor Old Man": page 2-4, page 32 - panels 1-3
Donald not quite seriously 'attentively' listening to Scrooge /
Donald telling Scrooge the truth, most clearly in panel 3.
(yes, panel 2 *is* hot-tempered)
- WDC 71 <swimrace>: page 10 - panels 3-4
Donald saving the nephews
I'm only starting here, but maybe other people can point out their
favourite Donald-moments?
Also look at the emotions and the interaction in these stories, which
all (as someone already said) read like a symphony. What can I say more?
Greetings,
--- Daniel
> I personally find Rosa's presentation of Donald superior to Barks'.
> Donald as a hot-tempered, ill-mannered lout is so tiresome. I have
> never had any interest in the temper-tantrums of Donald in comics or
> cartoons.
I've seen this mentioned here before. Why do people think that a Barks
Donald or a 'in-character' Donald is a hot tempered one? Maybe this was
the case up to around 1946, but then a more indepth Donald began to see
the light.
Please take a look at these stories:
- OS 223 "Lost in the Andes" - page 31 - panels 3-6
Donald and the nephews sitting in the rain.
- OS 256 "Luck of the North" - page 7-8 (entirely)
- OS 300 "Big-top Bedlam" - page 26-28
Donald having a party in himself untill..
- OS 328 "In Old California - page 26 - panels 5-7
Donald and the nephews saying goodbye to Rolando
(look at his hands on the nephews' shoulders).
- OS 386 "Only a Poor Old Man": page 2-4, page 32 - panels 1-3
Donald not quite seriously 'attentively' listening to Scrooge /
Donald telling Scrooge the truth, most clearly in panel 3.
(yes, panel 2 *is* hot-tempered)
- WDC 71 <swimrace>: page 10 - panels 3-4
Donald saving the nephews
I'm only starting here, but maybe other people can point out their
favourite Donald-moments?
Also look at the emotions and the interaction in these stories, which
all (as someone already said) read like a symphony. What can I say more?
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Wind and smog
Message 288 -
1998-01-19 at 02:58:32
RICH MORRISSEY:
> There was also an American story back in the '50's (which I *thought*
> was by Barks...) in which Scrooge settles two failing businesses on
> his nephews to see if either can save them. Donald almost makes a
> surprising success of a pillow factory, but Gladstone is completely
> stumped by a moving company
Indeed Barks: the wind-story of WDC 187. Here Scrooge says: "I'm old and
feeble! It's time I chose a successor to manage my many businesses! My
nearest of kin are Donald and that no-good cousin Gladstone! If one of
those had any *business ability*, I'd give him the job!"
RICH MORRISSEY to me:
>> [WDC&S 194 smoke-writer story] Yes indeed, but in the next panels the
>> nephews explain the meaning of smog to Scrooge [...]
> I can't believe someone with as many investments as Scrooge wouldn't
> read a newspaper every day, at least during the week. (I suspect he
> borrows Miss Quackfaster's.)
As Scrooge explains himself: "I haven't bought a paper since the price
jumped a cent in 1950!" Which means that, at the time of the story, he
has been without a paper for about 6 years!
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"*Thanks*? Is *that* all the *reward* I get?"
(Gladstone Gander, WDC 187)
> There was also an American story back in the '50's (which I *thought*
> was by Barks...) in which Scrooge settles two failing businesses on
> his nephews to see if either can save them. Donald almost makes a
> surprising success of a pillow factory, but Gladstone is completely
> stumped by a moving company
Indeed Barks: the wind-story of WDC 187. Here Scrooge says: "I'm old and
feeble! It's time I chose a successor to manage my many businesses! My
nearest of kin are Donald and that no-good cousin Gladstone! If one of
those had any *business ability*, I'd give him the job!"
RICH MORRISSEY to me:
>> [WDC&S 194 smoke-writer story] Yes indeed, but in the next panels the
>> nephews explain the meaning of smog to Scrooge [...]
> I can't believe someone with as many investments as Scrooge wouldn't
> read a newspaper every day, at least during the week. (I suspect he
> borrows Miss Quackfaster's.)
As Scrooge explains himself: "I haven't bought a paper since the price
jumped a cent in 1950!" Which means that, at the time of the story, he
has been without a paper for about 6 years!
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"*Thanks*? Is *that* all the *reward* I get?"
(Gladstone Gander, WDC 187)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Don Rosa's pre-disney works
Message 289 -
1998-01-19 at 03:00:50
SOEREN OLESEN:
?> find Don's gags-at-the-bottom-of-the-panel storytelling somewhat
?> disrupting to story's general touch and feel.
> Hm, not sure I agree, I find Rosa's stories utterly funny. Rosa is a
> great humorist, sometimes even with a bit of blackness added to it,
> which I prefere.
Then you really should see his pre-Disney work "Pertwillaby Papers" and
"Captain Kentucky"! I hope this work will be reprinted one day, although
I'm very curious if Disney would allow it because some of the plots
and scenes were re-used in his Disney stories.
IMO "Vortex" is *far* superior to "The Universal Solvent". Any Rosa-fan
who hasn't seen this story, has really missed something!
I find the characters in these stories very amusing. Pertwillaby is a kind
of guy who has so much trust in humanity that it becomes plain silly.
Villians can play a very mean trick on him and he still sees something
positive in it to thank the villian for! Really wonderful!
"Captain Kentucky" could be considered as a Rosa-soap on Kentucky, but
then... what a soap! If you can read these about 150 pages without
bursting out laughing, then... well... I can't even imagine that! ;-)
I can find (some?) of this art on Mike Schneiderath's DUCKhunt-pages,
which also have some 'surviving' pages of Don's computerhandbook.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"Yeah... I thought I had that award in the bag! I mean, here I own a
John F. Kennedy memorial ash-tray, I have a plastic flamingo on my
lawn, I have a clear lucite bathroom bowl lid imbedded with silver
dollars, I like to read movie/T.V.star gossip magazines, [...], and
my favourite TV show is "Three's Company". HOW COULD I LOSE?"
'Live' 1979 'interview' with Don Rosa, according to Captain Kentucky #12
?> find Don's gags-at-the-bottom-of-the-panel storytelling somewhat
?> disrupting to story's general touch and feel.
> Hm, not sure I agree, I find Rosa's stories utterly funny. Rosa is a
> great humorist, sometimes even with a bit of blackness added to it,
> which I prefere.
Then you really should see his pre-Disney work "Pertwillaby Papers" and
"Captain Kentucky"! I hope this work will be reprinted one day, although
I'm very curious if Disney would allow it because some of the plots
and scenes were re-used in his Disney stories.
IMO "Vortex" is *far* superior to "The Universal Solvent". Any Rosa-fan
who hasn't seen this story, has really missed something!
I find the characters in these stories very amusing. Pertwillaby is a kind
of guy who has so much trust in humanity that it becomes plain silly.
Villians can play a very mean trick on him and he still sees something
positive in it to thank the villian for! Really wonderful!
"Captain Kentucky" could be considered as a Rosa-soap on Kentucky, but
then... what a soap! If you can read these about 150 pages without
bursting out laughing, then... well... I can't even imagine that! ;-)
I can find (some?) of this art on Mike Schneiderath's DUCKhunt-pages,
which also have some 'surviving' pages of Don's computerhandbook.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"Yeah... I thought I had that award in the bag! I mean, here I own a
John F. Kennedy memorial ash-tray, I have a plastic flamingo on my
lawn, I have a clear lucite bathroom bowl lid imbedded with silver
dollars, I like to read movie/T.V.star gossip magazines, [...], and
my favourite TV show is "Three's Company". HOW COULD I LOSE?"
'Live' 1979 'interview' with Don Rosa, according to Captain Kentucky #12
SRoweCanoe
Don Rosa
Message 290 -
1998-01-19 at 03:25:27
I had a nice long response to the Rosa dilemia written, ready to be e-mailed
off; and it just disappeared...
So, let me just state: Don, you don't need to reply to every letter or e-mail.
Name one other celebrity who answers every letter. If you must respond, send
form letters to most. Most will have no problems with it. You're no longer Don
Rosa, fan; but Don Rosa, big name pro.
Also, has everybody finally gotten a copy of Adventurous Uncle Scrooge McDuck
#2? My local book shop still has 8 or so.
Also, lastly; was it Don's Donald and Scrooge (or Scrooge and Donald) that
were rare? If so, anybody need some? (I think I've found a stack of the
plastic packs).
Steven Rowe
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off; and it just disappeared...
So, let me just state: Don, you don't need to reply to every letter or e-mail.
Name one other celebrity who answers every letter. If you must respond, send
form letters to most. Most will have no problems with it. You're no longer Don
Rosa, fan; but Don Rosa, big name pro.
Also, has everybody finally gotten a copy of Adventurous Uncle Scrooge McDuck
#2? My local book shop still has 8 or so.
Also, lastly; was it Don's Donald and Scrooge (or Scrooge and Donald) that
were rare? If so, anybody need some? (I think I've found a stack of the
plastic packs).
Steven Rowe
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #21
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Katie Sullivan
Disney comics Digest V98 #21
Message 291 -
1998-01-19 at 06:04:32
>KATHY: (Katie, but that's ok)
>I can surely scan for you the meeting between Goldie and Brigitta,
>but... I don't remember at all in which publication this story can be
>found, I surely own it, but don't remember where... Maybe someone can
>help?
That would be GREAT, if you could!!!
Katie
>I can surely scan for you the meeting between Goldie and Brigitta,
>but... I don't remember at all in which publication this story can be
>found, I surely own it, but don't remember where... Maybe someone can
>help?
That would be GREAT, if you could!!!
Katie
Mike Casillas
Digest V98 #20
Message 292 -
1998-01-19 at 06:53:52
In my last posting I put:
> "The Reluctant Dragon" or "Morris the Midget Moose" in
>WDC&S #621.
I put #621 in by mistake, I meant WDC&S in general! Also I don't think that
these stories should be completely eliminated, maybe just cut back or
serialized for those who enjoy them.
-Mike
> "The Reluctant Dragon" or "Morris the Midget Moose" in
>WDC&S #621.
I put #621 in by mistake, I meant WDC&S in general! Also I don't think that
these stories should be completely eliminated, maybe just cut back or
serialized for those who enjoy them.
-Mike
Rich Bellacera
Disney comics Digest V98 #21
Message 293 -
1998-01-19 at 08:24:50
LUNA:
>What is making you think that in Europe Donald and Mickey live in the
>same city???? At least in Italy (and then in all the stories produced
>in Italy) there is a clear distinction between Duckburg and Topolinia
<snip>
My mistake for lumping all of Europe in with the impression of
Brazil, etc. As far as Italy goes, it is my impression that Duck
stories occur in Duckburg (primarily) and that Mouse stories occur
in a different place, which, thanks to you, I now know to be
Topolinia. Apparently "Topolinia" corresponds to the English
name of "Mouseton." However, it is also my impression that, as
far as Brazillian Disney is concerned, both Mickey and Donald live
in Duckburg, as does Fethry and nearly everyone else in Disney
comics. In at least on WDC&S tales from the distant past, it would
appear that Bucky Bug lives in a junk yard inside of Mickey's own
home town (I forget what issue it was that show Bucky seeing a
gigantic Mickey Mouse (David Gerstein probably remembers the
issue).
>UNCLE Ludwig Von Drake????? I always considered LVD not as a relative
>to the ducks... many times I saw Donald or HD&L calling him just
>"Pico", and not "Zio Pico"...
In most of the older WDC&S issues presenting LvD in DD or U$ stories
he is either referred to as being a definite relative or simply by his
professional
title. However, in his first USA comic "Ludwig von Drake" #1 (Nov. 1961)
in the story "Duckburg U.S.A." the Duck family (including DD, HDL, Gus,
Grandma, Daisy Gladstone, U$ and even Gyro) are all waiting at the train
station for LvD's arrival. None of theDucks had ever met him previously
and Donald's firt line is, "According to his letter, Ludwig is a genius at
everything! I can hardly wait to meet our distinguished relative!" That issue
doesn't delve deeper into where on the Family tree LvD branches, but other
stories do call him "Uncle" in relation to Donald and HDL. Wm van Horn's
Duck Family Tree also includes LvD.
For me, the Duck relative that never seemed to make sense was "Gyro." I
can buy Gus and Gladstone (both geese) easily being on the tree, but not a
chicken. I don't believe Rosa ever made provisions to include Gyro, but
some of the other writers (including Barks & van Horn) do include Gyro.
ABOUT GIDEON McDUCK:
He sounds like an intriguing character. As far as I can tell, he has never
appeared in the USA, and proably won't in the near future. :-( It would
be interesting to see what life for $crooge would have been like if he
indeed had an entrepeneuring younger brother.
>About the Duckburg mayor I agree with you in recalling him as a
>PIGface, and this way to present him has been repeated by many italian
>authors (it seems to me that expecially Luciano Gatto did it).
Does the Mayor of Duckburg have a name, I can only recall him being
called "Mr. Mayor." But it appears in recent Rosa stories that the Pig mayor
is no longer in office.
LUNA (or MARCO per Luca's inference):
>I can surely scan for you the meeting between Goldie and Brigitta,
>but... I don't remember at all in which publication this story can be
>found, I surely own it, but don't remember where... Maybe someone can
>help?
If you have a chance, I'm sure others might be interested in seeing it as
well. If someone can post it to a webpage with an available URL would
surely be wonderful.
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
>What is making you think that in Europe Donald and Mickey live in the
>same city???? At least in Italy (and then in all the stories produced
>in Italy) there is a clear distinction between Duckburg and Topolinia
<snip>
My mistake for lumping all of Europe in with the impression of
Brazil, etc. As far as Italy goes, it is my impression that Duck
stories occur in Duckburg (primarily) and that Mouse stories occur
in a different place, which, thanks to you, I now know to be
Topolinia. Apparently "Topolinia" corresponds to the English
name of "Mouseton." However, it is also my impression that, as
far as Brazillian Disney is concerned, both Mickey and Donald live
in Duckburg, as does Fethry and nearly everyone else in Disney
comics. In at least on WDC&S tales from the distant past, it would
appear that Bucky Bug lives in a junk yard inside of Mickey's own
home town (I forget what issue it was that show Bucky seeing a
gigantic Mickey Mouse (David Gerstein probably remembers the
issue).
>UNCLE Ludwig Von Drake????? I always considered LVD not as a relative
>to the ducks... many times I saw Donald or HD&L calling him just
>"Pico", and not "Zio Pico"...
In most of the older WDC&S issues presenting LvD in DD or U$ stories
he is either referred to as being a definite relative or simply by his
professional
title. However, in his first USA comic "Ludwig von Drake" #1 (Nov. 1961)
in the story "Duckburg U.S.A." the Duck family (including DD, HDL, Gus,
Grandma, Daisy Gladstone, U$ and even Gyro) are all waiting at the train
station for LvD's arrival. None of theDucks had ever met him previously
and Donald's firt line is, "According to his letter, Ludwig is a genius at
everything! I can hardly wait to meet our distinguished relative!" That issue
doesn't delve deeper into where on the Family tree LvD branches, but other
stories do call him "Uncle" in relation to Donald and HDL. Wm van Horn's
Duck Family Tree also includes LvD.
For me, the Duck relative that never seemed to make sense was "Gyro." I
can buy Gus and Gladstone (both geese) easily being on the tree, but not a
chicken. I don't believe Rosa ever made provisions to include Gyro, but
some of the other writers (including Barks & van Horn) do include Gyro.
ABOUT GIDEON McDUCK:
He sounds like an intriguing character. As far as I can tell, he has never
appeared in the USA, and proably won't in the near future. :-( It would
be interesting to see what life for $crooge would have been like if he
indeed had an entrepeneuring younger brother.
>About the Duckburg mayor I agree with you in recalling him as a
>PIGface, and this way to present him has been repeated by many italian
>authors (it seems to me that expecially Luciano Gatto did it).
Does the Mayor of Duckburg have a name, I can only recall him being
called "Mr. Mayor." But it appears in recent Rosa stories that the Pig mayor
is no longer in office.
LUNA (or MARCO per Luca's inference):
>I can surely scan for you the meeting between Goldie and Brigitta,
>but... I don't remember at all in which publication this story can be
>found, I surely own it, but don't remember where... Maybe someone can
>help?
If you have a chance, I'm sure others might be interested in seeing it as
well. If someone can post it to a webpage with an available URL would
surely be wonderful.
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
Soeren Krarup Olesen
censorship
Message 294 -
1998-01-19 at 11:13:08
Marco Barlotti wrote:
> Interesting! The italian story is FULL of cannon shots, three of whic=
h are
> very clearly drawn. So maybe full panels are missing from your versio=
n?
>
> BTW, I could not see the panel on your WebSite.
Sorry, there was "missing hd-space" on my server - thisis fixed now, pl=
ease try
to uploade it again.
S=F8ren
> Interesting! The italian story is FULL of cannon shots, three of whic=
h are
> very clearly drawn. So maybe full panels are missing from your versio=
n?
>
> BTW, I could not see the panel on your WebSite.
Sorry, there was "missing hd-space" on my server - thisis fixed now, pl=
ease try
to uploade it again.
S=F8ren
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Fethry
Message 295 -
1998-01-19 at 17:26:13
KRITON KYRIMIS to me:
> [Don's young Scrooge] I think you'll agree that he is far more
> interesting than, say, Fethry!
What's so wrong with Fethry? I've been wondering this for years. For me
the Al Hubbard version looks great! Hubbard's style is very special and
lively, for people (like me) who think that an artist should be able to
have his own style, they really should see his work!
Maybe someone can put a page of Hubbard's work on Fethry online? If you
don't have a scanner I'll provide the scan! Yesterday, I reread one story
and it really was enjoyable! Maybe some would think the stories could be
'deeper', but I think they're really fun!
(Since there seem to be different versions of Fethry: I mean the one with
the long thin hairs.)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
> [Don's young Scrooge] I think you'll agree that he is far more
> interesting than, say, Fethry!
What's so wrong with Fethry? I've been wondering this for years. For me
the Al Hubbard version looks great! Hubbard's style is very special and
lively, for people (like me) who think that an artist should be able to
have his own style, they really should see his work!
Maybe someone can put a page of Hubbard's work on Fethry online? If you
don't have a scanner I'll provide the scan! Yesterday, I reread one story
and it really was enjoyable! Maybe some would think the stories could be
'deeper', but I think they're really fun!
(Since there seem to be different versions of Fethry: I mean the one with
the long thin hairs.)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Scrooge's bragging
Message 296 -
1998-01-19 at 17:27:16
JOHN GARVIN:
> I find the whole idea of Scrooge's history especially facinating because
> I do think that Barks was playing with it. [...] Scrooge's claims that
> "he earned every dollar and he earned it square" refered to the fact that
> he didn't steal it in the Beagle Boy sense.
Yes, I think a person who makes huge profits by exploiting his family for
only 30 cents an hour, isn't making his money "fair and square". Scrooge
misuses his power on his own family!
Possibly someone will now say Scrooge wants to teach his family a lesson.
Of course he would agree with this, but meanwhile his own profits gets
higher and higher. Not by his own hands, but those of his family!
Mostly the only time Scrooge makes money "fair and square" is in his own
recollections (and now Don's stories), but what we *see* is that Scrooge
takes his family out of their house (sometimes under pressure!) whenever
it suits him!
Scrooge only thinks of himself and how *he* can get better. There has been
(limited to Barks) as far as I know only one time in which he shows he
cares for his family (I've searched for it but I can't find it back). But
of course, caring for your family doesn't nescessarily cost money!
> But I always got the impression that Scrooge told all those stories
> about how he earned all that money as just that: _stories_ [...]
> Scrooge wanted to be thought of as a roughie and toughie who could
> squeeze gold from the rock with his bare hands, not as some
> industrialist [...] Scrooge, and Barks, were telling stories, not
> writing history.
A very interesting thought! Like I already said in a past letter, I think
"The Loony Lunar Gold Rush" is *the* example on this. Maybe there's more?
Like Scrooge telling the nephews he sold wind to the windmill makers in
"The Flying Dutchman" (U$ 25)?
Greetings,
--- Daniel
> I find the whole idea of Scrooge's history especially facinating because
> I do think that Barks was playing with it. [...] Scrooge's claims that
> "he earned every dollar and he earned it square" refered to the fact that
> he didn't steal it in the Beagle Boy sense.
Yes, I think a person who makes huge profits by exploiting his family for
only 30 cents an hour, isn't making his money "fair and square". Scrooge
misuses his power on his own family!
Possibly someone will now say Scrooge wants to teach his family a lesson.
Of course he would agree with this, but meanwhile his own profits gets
higher and higher. Not by his own hands, but those of his family!
Mostly the only time Scrooge makes money "fair and square" is in his own
recollections (and now Don's stories), but what we *see* is that Scrooge
takes his family out of their house (sometimes under pressure!) whenever
it suits him!
Scrooge only thinks of himself and how *he* can get better. There has been
(limited to Barks) as far as I know only one time in which he shows he
cares for his family (I've searched for it but I can't find it back). But
of course, caring for your family doesn't nescessarily cost money!
> But I always got the impression that Scrooge told all those stories
> about how he earned all that money as just that: _stories_ [...]
> Scrooge wanted to be thought of as a roughie and toughie who could
> squeeze gold from the rock with his bare hands, not as some
> industrialist [...] Scrooge, and Barks, were telling stories, not
> writing history.
A very interesting thought! Like I already said in a past letter, I think
"The Loony Lunar Gold Rush" is *the* example on this. Maybe there's more?
Like Scrooge telling the nephews he sold wind to the windmill makers in
"The Flying Dutchman" (U$ 25)?
Greetings,
--- Daniel
D Decker
Many replies
Message 297 -
1998-01-19 at 17:55:56
On Jan 18, 12:33pm, Luna Storta wrote:
> RICH:
>
> What is making you think that in Europe Donald and Mickey live in the
> same city????
Well, in the Egmont scheme of things, Mickey and Donald _do_ both live in
Duckburg. They just never happen to run into each other.
--Dwight Decker
> RICH:
>
> What is making you think that in Europe Donald and Mickey live in the
> same city????
Well, in the Egmont scheme of things, Mickey and Donald _do_ both live in
Duckburg. They just never happen to run into each other.
--Dwight Decker
D Decker
Italian help humbly requested
Message 298 -
1998-01-19 at 18:08:06
This is a request directed at our Italian friends...
Over the weekend, having a fair amount of time on my hands,
I sat down and translated the Italian newspaper article about
Gladstone getting out of newsstand comics. I was hoping
somebody of the Italian persuasion could check over my
translation and compare it against the original that appeared
in La Repubblica to make sure I didn't make any horrendous
errors in translation. I can forward my translation via
e-mail and the original La Repubblica article itself is
probably still accessible on the Web. Then I can post the
article here for all to read.
One interesting thing is that the writer didn't exactly know
what the word "Prestige" means in connection with comic-book
formats...
Thank you for your time and attention!
--Dwight Decker
Over the weekend, having a fair amount of time on my hands,
I sat down and translated the Italian newspaper article about
Gladstone getting out of newsstand comics. I was hoping
somebody of the Italian persuasion could check over my
translation and compare it against the original that appeared
in La Repubblica to make sure I didn't make any horrendous
errors in translation. I can forward my translation via
e-mail and the original La Repubblica article itself is
probably still accessible on the Web. Then I can post the
article here for all to read.
One interesting thing is that the writer didn't exactly know
what the word "Prestige" means in connection with comic-book
formats...
Thank you for your time and attention!
--Dwight Decker
Francois Willot
Dutch story
Message 299 -
1998-01-19 at 18:22:30
Dwight Decker wrote:
>There
>isn't much in the dialogue of that story that is really distinctive
>or memorable, but the name of the restaurant in Paris, the "Trop Cher,"
>sounds like something I might have come up with.
The story was published here one month before the US publication, with
the same "trop cher" joke.
>One more thing about that story...an interesting visual gag. At the
>end, Scrooge shows a famous painting he has acquired. It's a parody
>of a real painting popularly known as "Whistler's Mother" (though I
>think the official title is something like "Arrangement in Gray and
>Black"). It shows a side view of an old woman in 19th Century dress
>sitting in a chair, and was painted by the American artist James
>Whistler (thus the name). In the Duck story, that painting is parodied
>by having the woman be an anthropomorphic duck female, and she is
>shown to be...whistling. It's interesting that a _Dutch_ story would
>have a gag that can be understood only if you're familiar with a
>certain 19th Century painting by an American artist, the artist's
>name, and what his name literally means in English.
I recall that in a certain issue of JM, I saw a parody of another famous
painting, the "radeau de la meduse" ("famous" doesn't apply to me; in
fact, I didn't know about James Whistler's painting). I think that other
paintings of that kind (very imposing and very serious) were redrawn
with Ducks (and mice?).
Francois
>There
>isn't much in the dialogue of that story that is really distinctive
>or memorable, but the name of the restaurant in Paris, the "Trop Cher,"
>sounds like something I might have come up with.
The story was published here one month before the US publication, with
the same "trop cher" joke.
>One more thing about that story...an interesting visual gag. At the
>end, Scrooge shows a famous painting he has acquired. It's a parody
>of a real painting popularly known as "Whistler's Mother" (though I
>think the official title is something like "Arrangement in Gray and
>Black"). It shows a side view of an old woman in 19th Century dress
>sitting in a chair, and was painted by the American artist James
>Whistler (thus the name). In the Duck story, that painting is parodied
>by having the woman be an anthropomorphic duck female, and she is
>shown to be...whistling. It's interesting that a _Dutch_ story would
>have a gag that can be understood only if you're familiar with a
>certain 19th Century painting by an American artist, the artist's
>name, and what his name literally means in English.
I recall that in a certain issue of JM, I saw a parody of another famous
painting, the "radeau de la meduse" ("famous" doesn't apply to me; in
fact, I didn't know about James Whistler's painting). I think that other
paintings of that kind (very imposing and very serious) were redrawn
with Ducks (and mice?).
Francois
Claus Ola Margon Havik
Scroge clones and heirs
Message 300 -
1998-01-19 at 19:16:22
Katie Sullivan:=20
> > Scrooge is to clone himself.
>=20
> I don't think even Gyro knows how to do that! ;-)
Hasn't these already been done, well kind of.
In a story a (few) year(s) back Gyro makes a robot
which looks exactly like Scrooge, and to make him
think like Scrooge, Gyro transfers or copy's Scrooge
mind to the robot. $ wants to use him as a cheap
guard-dog, but the robot having $'s feelings about
money and sharing them (the money) kicks $ out too.
Quite funny story, does anyone know who made that?
And hasn't there been other stories with a similar
plot like that?
And speaking of clones..
Has there ever been any story which featured
the Phantom of Notre Duck other than the Barks story?
(Or another Barks story than "Phantom of the Notre Duck")
Any story that tried to explained why he looks
exactly like U$?
Is he perhaps a long lost twin, that was put
away (put in a basket in front of a church or something)
as a child by a poor Scottish family (McDuck),
who couldn't feed two small babies at the same time?
David Fenske:=20
> I do have one question for the group that does touch on this whole issue,
> if only slightly. This is the question of discussing story plot-lines.
> OK, I'm clear on this for new stories, but for older ones, I'd like to kn=
ow
> what the list has historically done. I have the impression that even in
> discussing an older Rosa story, say, that people are careful about giving
> away the plot. Now, this is a comic list, whose purpose is to discuss
> comics, and that includes story lines, so what is the consensus here? Is=
a
> 1 or 2 year old story fair game? Should one always just put in *spoiler*
> for those who haven't read the story? Does this caution extend to old
> Barks stories too?
Well, I haven't been here so long, that I know what has been done
in the past, but I can tell you my personal view. As a fairly
young list member (20) I haven't read all the Barks stories yet,
nor all the Don Rosa stories either for that matter. I for one sure
would appreciate it if you did include a little spoiler. These
stories do get reprinted every now and then, and it would be kind
of irritating if I read how a story ends, and the next day pick
up the next issue of "DD&Co" (The Norwegian weekly), and starts
to read an old Carl Barks story I never seen before, and then
realize I already know the "surprising" ending.
Though of course sometimes one don't remember the story's=20
title and has to give away a little about the story for
identification purposes, and I think that's okay, but don't
ruin the ending before you've alerted people that you're
going to do just that.
Claus O. M. Havik
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Claus Ola Margon H=E5vik
Hedmark College: http://www.hihm.no
email: (Email removed)
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> > Scrooge is to clone himself.
>=20
> I don't think even Gyro knows how to do that! ;-)
Hasn't these already been done, well kind of.
In a story a (few) year(s) back Gyro makes a robot
which looks exactly like Scrooge, and to make him
think like Scrooge, Gyro transfers or copy's Scrooge
mind to the robot. $ wants to use him as a cheap
guard-dog, but the robot having $'s feelings about
money and sharing them (the money) kicks $ out too.
Quite funny story, does anyone know who made that?
And hasn't there been other stories with a similar
plot like that?
And speaking of clones..
Has there ever been any story which featured
the Phantom of Notre Duck other than the Barks story?
(Or another Barks story than "Phantom of the Notre Duck")
Any story that tried to explained why he looks
exactly like U$?
Is he perhaps a long lost twin, that was put
away (put in a basket in front of a church or something)
as a child by a poor Scottish family (McDuck),
who couldn't feed two small babies at the same time?
David Fenske:=20
> I do have one question for the group that does touch on this whole issue,
> if only slightly. This is the question of discussing story plot-lines.
> OK, I'm clear on this for new stories, but for older ones, I'd like to kn=
ow
> what the list has historically done. I have the impression that even in
> discussing an older Rosa story, say, that people are careful about giving
> away the plot. Now, this is a comic list, whose purpose is to discuss
> comics, and that includes story lines, so what is the consensus here? Is=
a
> 1 or 2 year old story fair game? Should one always just put in *spoiler*
> for those who haven't read the story? Does this caution extend to old
> Barks stories too?
Well, I haven't been here so long, that I know what has been done
in the past, but I can tell you my personal view. As a fairly
young list member (20) I haven't read all the Barks stories yet,
nor all the Don Rosa stories either for that matter. I for one sure
would appreciate it if you did include a little spoiler. These
stories do get reprinted every now and then, and it would be kind
of irritating if I read how a story ends, and the next day pick
up the next issue of "DD&Co" (The Norwegian weekly), and starts
to read an old Carl Barks story I never seen before, and then
realize I already know the "surprising" ending.
Though of course sometimes one don't remember the story's=20
title and has to give away a little about the story for
identification purposes, and I think that's okay, but don't
ruin the ending before you've alerted people that you're
going to do just that.
Claus O. M. Havik
--------------------------------------
Claus Ola Margon H=E5vik
Hedmark College: http://www.hihm.no
email: (Email removed)
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