From: "Rob and Nancy McCallum" <mccallumrn at hotmail.com>
>>>Can any one tell me (and the rest of DCML) the exact date and time of the
Barks tribute at this year's San Diego Comic Con?
Perhaps one of the panelists, Mark Evanier, Russ Cochran, Don Rosa, Russell
Myers or R.C. Harvey would know.
Well, don't believe anything you hear about the panel being on Sunday as was
originally planned. It has been changed to Friday, but I haven't bothered to
find out when. Byron Erickson will also be on the panel at my proxy
invitation, and I hope to persuade the Finnish editors who will be in
attendance to also participate. I think it would do the American Barksfans
good to know how famous and beloved Barks still is across Europe
(*especially* in Finland) and not have to think that he's been forgotten by
all but a handful of aged comic collectors as here in America. I just hope
that we 7 or 8 panelists don't come close to outnumbering the audience, and
that's not a sarcastic crack. Even when Gladstone's Disney comics were still
shining brightly here, Disney comics panels at conventions, even SD, did not
draw more than a scattering of fans. But this one is for Barks, hissownself,
so maybe lots of old-timers will pile in to do his memory honor!
From: Pascal Oost <oost at xs4all.nl>
>>>I'm curious: who owns the copyrights to these Barks-paintings? Did Egmont
buy them for the danish weekly, or did Disney buy them so all
Disney-licensees can use them?
All of the images of Barks' Disney Duck (actually Barks Duck) paintings are
Disney's sole property, and as such are available for the free and unlimited
use by every licensed Disney publisher on the green earth. And Disney did
not need to "buy" anything. They are actually *paid* to accept ownership (in
the form of their royalties on the initial litho sales), just as Egmont pays
in license fees for the right to singlehandedly produce thousands of pages
of Disney comics each year and turn the rights to that material over to
Disney 100%.
Author
Topic: 200106
(445 messages)
Don Rosa
DCML digest #576
Message 241 -
2001-06-17 at 17:05:01
Jeff LeRose
Van Horn - The eyes have it
Message 242 -
2001-06-17 at 17:48:31
> Rodney to Francesco:
>
> > I was wondering what it is that you don't like about Van Horn's art. His
> > early material tended to be a little sloppy, but his later stuff I think
> > looks wonderful.
>
> Since I - too - am not very big fun of Van Horn's drawings, I can give you
> one reason: eyes. Especially HDL's eyes seem awfully misplaced and clumsy.
> However, the stories are good.
>
> --
> Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
>
At first, I also had mixed feelings about Van Horn's art, until I
realized that in many cases, he made very simple scenes come alive, and
they were some of my favorites. I think his placement and treatment of
the eyes really adds to the loose and alive look of his work. This
unrestrained approach makes his work real fun. Which to me is what it?s
all about.
Jeff
>
> > I was wondering what it is that you don't like about Van Horn's art. His
> > early material tended to be a little sloppy, but his later stuff I think
> > looks wonderful.
>
> Since I - too - am not very big fun of Van Horn's drawings, I can give you
> one reason: eyes. Especially HDL's eyes seem awfully misplaced and clumsy.
> However, the stories are good.
>
> --
> Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
>
At first, I also had mixed feelings about Van Horn's art, until I
realized that in many cases, he made very simple scenes come alive, and
they were some of my favorites. I think his placement and treatment of
the eyes really adds to the loose and alive look of his work. This
unrestrained approach makes his work real fun. Which to me is what it?s
all about.
Jeff
Fernando Ventura
Don: Panchito's carpet!
Message 243 -
2001-06-17 at 17:57:37
Me:
>I was not so clear on my question! Here in Brazil they've never used
>Panchito's horse, Se?or Martinez as his way of transport! He use's his
>serap? (carpet), as the three caballeros used it on the movie.
Don:
>Really? A magical flying carpet?! You wouldn't have expected me to use
that,
>would you? That was just another of the fantasy elements of the "musical
>travelogue" which the old film actually was meant to be.
Off course not! Not on a Don story!
In any way the carpet works weel on the Panchito B-Coded stories, probably
because the first time I read a B-Coded story was when I was a
child...before I saw the movie...so I'm habituate with Panchito's carpet as
something accetable on this comics...! In any way, I really dislike
"fantasyous to much" stories...some fantasy, as Panchito's carpet, is
accetable for me, some, are not!
Fernando!
>I was not so clear on my question! Here in Brazil they've never used
>Panchito's horse, Se?or Martinez as his way of transport! He use's his
>serap? (carpet), as the three caballeros used it on the movie.
Don:
>Really? A magical flying carpet?! You wouldn't have expected me to use
that,
>would you? That was just another of the fantasy elements of the "musical
>travelogue" which the old film actually was meant to be.
Off course not! Not on a Don story!
In any way the carpet works weel on the Panchito B-Coded stories, probably
because the first time I read a B-Coded story was when I was a
child...before I saw the movie...so I'm habituate with Panchito's carpet as
something accetable on this comics...! In any way, I really dislike
"fantasyous to much" stories...some fantasy, as Panchito's carpet, is
accetable for me, some, are not!
Fernando!
Søren Krarup Olesen
"Science friction"
Message 244 -
2001-06-17 at 18:08:53
FERNADO wrote to DON (and SPREA better watch out :-):
> [...] In any way, I really dislike "fantasyous to much"
> stories...some fantasy, as Panchito's carpet, is accetable for me,
> some, are not!
This reminds me of how much computer nerd and internet like stuff many
of the newer Egmont stories contain. On top of that, we have masses of
sci-fi stories from both Egmont and Italy.
I am a computer freak myself, love the internet as a media and hold a
great (IMO :-) collection of sci-fi stories and all, but still... For
some strange reason I don't really appreciate all this "modern stuff"
in Disney comics.
Perhaps this development into Disney comics follows what we see from
several Americal TV series; like yesterday when I by mistake watched
Star Trek Voyager. It was all made out of rubber, the star ships were
rubber, the personnel were all rubber and even the little alien
baby creature who was saved under the most embarassing circumstances
(what a horrible episode!) was plain rubb(er)ish.
I suspect such series to belong to the so-called "hard science fiction"
category (here spiced down with some childish ingrediences) and
apparently this too is the case for most of the sci-fi Disney comic
stories I have read.
Why is that? Do the Disney characters not have enough substance to
induce the writing of sci-fi stories with a bit more depth. I call for
more "soft science fiction" in future stories, but I also realise that
this implies more preparations from those story writers who are in
charge.
Sprea, what is your opinion about this? I know that you are a big
Heinlein fan, but if I remember correctly he had more imagination than
humour and he also belongs to the "hard" department, right? Are you
satisfied with Italian Disney sci-fi stories or...? :-)
Søren
> [...] In any way, I really dislike "fantasyous to much"
> stories...some fantasy, as Panchito's carpet, is accetable for me,
> some, are not!
This reminds me of how much computer nerd and internet like stuff many
of the newer Egmont stories contain. On top of that, we have masses of
sci-fi stories from both Egmont and Italy.
I am a computer freak myself, love the internet as a media and hold a
great (IMO :-) collection of sci-fi stories and all, but still... For
some strange reason I don't really appreciate all this "modern stuff"
in Disney comics.
Perhaps this development into Disney comics follows what we see from
several Americal TV series; like yesterday when I by mistake watched
Star Trek Voyager. It was all made out of rubber, the star ships were
rubber, the personnel were all rubber and even the little alien
baby creature who was saved under the most embarassing circumstances
(what a horrible episode!) was plain rubb(er)ish.
I suspect such series to belong to the so-called "hard science fiction"
category (here spiced down with some childish ingrediences) and
apparently this too is the case for most of the sci-fi Disney comic
stories I have read.
Why is that? Do the Disney characters not have enough substance to
induce the writing of sci-fi stories with a bit more depth. I call for
more "soft science fiction" in future stories, but I also realise that
this implies more preparations from those story writers who are in
charge.
Sprea, what is your opinion about this? I know that you are a big
Heinlein fan, but if I remember correctly he had more imagination than
humour and he also belongs to the "hard" department, right? Are you
satisfied with Italian Disney sci-fi stories or...? :-)
Søren
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks items (010617)
Message 245 -
2001-06-17 at 18:12:25
Links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items. I don't have any
connection with the sellers or the sites. If you've seen other
rare/original/unpublished items, I hope you'll post them to the list
as well. Information is taken from the sellers' descriptions, unless
otherwise noted. ["DvE"]
Items at Ebay (http://www.ebay.com):
- - - - - - -
# 1154410218
DONALD DUCK OrgART Pat Block Carl Barks story
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1154410218
A ink and watercolor model drawing from the Carl Barks/ Pat Block/ John
Lustig Disney production "Somewhere In Nowhere", which was the great duck
artist's last story. This is a superb large image of Donald taken from the
dramatic moment that he is buried in an avalanche in this epic Donald Duck
Adventure. Original measures 10" by 9" on high quality watercolor paper.
Signed by Disney artist Pat Block. Mr. Block, working penciling and inking
this story for Carl Barks, took extra pains to make the story as best he
could, producing detailed models. This particular page of the story was
Carl's favorite in the whole story. Also included in this lot is a copy of
the limited numbered edition, produced by Walt Disney Italy in November
2000. Book signed with a drawing by Pat Block. The story appears in both
Italian and English. The story was concieved by Carl Barks, with script by
John Lustig. Editing by Carl Barks. There is NO RESERVE on this fine lot,
note this is for the book AND an ORIGINAL INKED & COLORED DRAWING. Not a
print or reproduction.
- - - - - - -
# 1155203313
Armani Disney's Uncle Scrooge by Carl Barks
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1155203313
"Eureka! A Goose Egg Nugget!" Those were the words that started the
McDuck fortune. Armni has brought this moment to the third dimension
with this wonderful limited edition figurene. Almost 13" tall! To make
this offer extra special, we are offering as a bonus to the lucky winning
bidder a framed mini-print of the original painting "Eureka! A Goose Egg
Nugget!" This print has been hand signed by Uncle Scrooge creator - the
late and very great Carl Barks.
[Are there more versions of this print? I have one with a black border,
instead of white. Or is that a different print with only the same
picture? DvE.]
- - - - - - -
# 1154297226
Carl Barks, signed limited editon Photograph
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1154297226
This limited editon Photograph was taken in Honor of Mr. Barks 92nd
birthday. Limited to 1092 autographed prints, it includes a numbered
folder with an very rare original drawing on the cover.As a special
bonus, included with this package is a full color flyer advertising
his 1993 commemorative exhibit.
[Numbered folder with rare original drawing on the cover is not shown.
Does someone have a picture or a description of it? The same for the
flyer with the 1993 commemorative exhibit advertisement. DvE.]
- - - - - - -
# 1154582491
Uncle Scrooge, Ultimate Carl Barks Collector
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1154582491
Uncle Scrooge: the Ultimate Barks Collector. This is a signed and
numbered print of what has come to be known as "The Ultimate Barks
Collector" since being reprinted in The Carl Barks Library (set 4,
volume 1, page 152) a few years ago and other places since then. It was
originally written by Kim Weston and drawn by Walter Simonson as an
homage to Carl Barks and printed as the cover of Kim Weston's zine in
Capa-Alpha, the Comics Amateur Press Alliance in September, 1974. The
zine had a short article and a listing of reprints of Carl Barks stories
up to that date. At the same time as the cover copies were lithographed
on 20 pound white paper, some additional copies were printed on a pale
yellow/ivory card stock and signed and numbered by Weston and Simonson.
Over the years some of those were given to friends, family, and fellow
Barks collectors. Although when it was printed in the CBL, it was enlarged
slightly, The CBL lost some of the detail in the original printing. And
no other printing is even as good as the CBL. This is #35 of 50 in the
edition. The image size is approximately 6 x 8 3/4 inches (15.1 x 22.1 cm),
a size chosen to match the image size of Barks art printed in 1950's
American Dell comic books. It is on 8 1/2 x 11 inch card stock in black
ink, is suitable for framing, and is in immaculate condition.
- - - - - - -
# 1155204981
CARL BARKS - RICH FINDS - LTD EDIT SERIGRAPH
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1155204981
Rich Finds at Inventory Time is a serigraph of an original oil painting
created by artist Carl Barks in 1994. Utilizing the fine art of
serigraphy, Rich Finds at Inventory Time is printed from hand-done color
separations incorporating 75 colors. The resulting image is 28" x 35".
printed on 320 gram acid-free Coventry 100% rag paper. This serigraph
is a publishers proof edition # 5 of 50. It comes fully framed and
matted and was produced by Disney Art Editions, Inc. in 1994.
- - - - - - -
# 1156856901
Carl Barks Print: Footsteps Of Pizarro
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1156856901
Back in 1996 Disney asked Carl barks to create a number of color
pencil sketches to add dimension to his oil paintings - 40 of these
were reproduced in a limited number of 1,000 and sold together as the
Carl Barks treasury!!! Now I am selling these prints individually
(8" X 10") matted and ready for framing!!! This one is entittled:
In The Footsteps Of Pizarro!!! [No scan, but digital photo. DvE.]
- - - - - - -
# 1156547623
CARL BARKS AUTOGRAPHED COMIC BOOK DONALD DUCK
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1156547623
This is a copy of ?THE BEST OF DONALD DUCK AND UNCLE SCROOGE?, from
1964. The COMIC BOOK has CARL BARKS?, the creator of UNCLE SCROOGES,
AUTOGRAPH on the top of the first page. The COMIC reprints 2 classic
CARL BARKS stories ? ?The Old Castle?s Secret? and The Golden Helmet?.
Purchased new when it was originally issued. Never used or read in
NEAR MINT CONDITION, with only minor cover scuffing.
- - - - - - -
# 1156224858
Barks Collector Lot of 3 Carl Barks Fanzine!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1156224858
Lot of three different issues of the Barks Collector, the rare Carl
Barks fanzine! #7 is in FINE condition- has some 'spotting' on the
back cover that does not go through the paper, otherwise this is a
near mint copy. #8 and #11 are both Near Mint, with no spotting,
tears, or damage.
[Seller does not specify which scan belongs to which issue.
My guess: the cookie-cover (with back cover) is #7, the Groucho cover
is #8, and the serpent cover is #11. But again, this is a guess. DvE.]
- - - - - - -
--- Daniel
connection with the sellers or the sites. If you've seen other
rare/original/unpublished items, I hope you'll post them to the list
as well. Information is taken from the sellers' descriptions, unless
otherwise noted. ["DvE"]
Items at Ebay (http://www.ebay.com):
- - - - - - -
# 1154410218
DONALD DUCK OrgART Pat Block Carl Barks story
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1154410218
A ink and watercolor model drawing from the Carl Barks/ Pat Block/ John
Lustig Disney production "Somewhere In Nowhere", which was the great duck
artist's last story. This is a superb large image of Donald taken from the
dramatic moment that he is buried in an avalanche in this epic Donald Duck
Adventure. Original measures 10" by 9" on high quality watercolor paper.
Signed by Disney artist Pat Block. Mr. Block, working penciling and inking
this story for Carl Barks, took extra pains to make the story as best he
could, producing detailed models. This particular page of the story was
Carl's favorite in the whole story. Also included in this lot is a copy of
the limited numbered edition, produced by Walt Disney Italy in November
2000. Book signed with a drawing by Pat Block. The story appears in both
Italian and English. The story was concieved by Carl Barks, with script by
John Lustig. Editing by Carl Barks. There is NO RESERVE on this fine lot,
note this is for the book AND an ORIGINAL INKED & COLORED DRAWING. Not a
print or reproduction.
- - - - - - -
# 1155203313
Armani Disney's Uncle Scrooge by Carl Barks
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1155203313
"Eureka! A Goose Egg Nugget!" Those were the words that started the
McDuck fortune. Armni has brought this moment to the third dimension
with this wonderful limited edition figurene. Almost 13" tall! To make
this offer extra special, we are offering as a bonus to the lucky winning
bidder a framed mini-print of the original painting "Eureka! A Goose Egg
Nugget!" This print has been hand signed by Uncle Scrooge creator - the
late and very great Carl Barks.
[Are there more versions of this print? I have one with a black border,
instead of white. Or is that a different print with only the same
picture? DvE.]
- - - - - - -
# 1154297226
Carl Barks, signed limited editon Photograph
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1154297226
This limited editon Photograph was taken in Honor of Mr. Barks 92nd
birthday. Limited to 1092 autographed prints, it includes a numbered
folder with an very rare original drawing on the cover.As a special
bonus, included with this package is a full color flyer advertising
his 1993 commemorative exhibit.
[Numbered folder with rare original drawing on the cover is not shown.
Does someone have a picture or a description of it? The same for the
flyer with the 1993 commemorative exhibit advertisement. DvE.]
- - - - - - -
# 1154582491
Uncle Scrooge, Ultimate Carl Barks Collector
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1154582491
Uncle Scrooge: the Ultimate Barks Collector. This is a signed and
numbered print of what has come to be known as "The Ultimate Barks
Collector" since being reprinted in The Carl Barks Library (set 4,
volume 1, page 152) a few years ago and other places since then. It was
originally written by Kim Weston and drawn by Walter Simonson as an
homage to Carl Barks and printed as the cover of Kim Weston's zine in
Capa-Alpha, the Comics Amateur Press Alliance in September, 1974. The
zine had a short article and a listing of reprints of Carl Barks stories
up to that date. At the same time as the cover copies were lithographed
on 20 pound white paper, some additional copies were printed on a pale
yellow/ivory card stock and signed and numbered by Weston and Simonson.
Over the years some of those were given to friends, family, and fellow
Barks collectors. Although when it was printed in the CBL, it was enlarged
slightly, The CBL lost some of the detail in the original printing. And
no other printing is even as good as the CBL. This is #35 of 50 in the
edition. The image size is approximately 6 x 8 3/4 inches (15.1 x 22.1 cm),
a size chosen to match the image size of Barks art printed in 1950's
American Dell comic books. It is on 8 1/2 x 11 inch card stock in black
ink, is suitable for framing, and is in immaculate condition.
- - - - - - -
# 1155204981
CARL BARKS - RICH FINDS - LTD EDIT SERIGRAPH
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1155204981
Rich Finds at Inventory Time is a serigraph of an original oil painting
created by artist Carl Barks in 1994. Utilizing the fine art of
serigraphy, Rich Finds at Inventory Time is printed from hand-done color
separations incorporating 75 colors. The resulting image is 28" x 35".
printed on 320 gram acid-free Coventry 100% rag paper. This serigraph
is a publishers proof edition # 5 of 50. It comes fully framed and
matted and was produced by Disney Art Editions, Inc. in 1994.
- - - - - - -
# 1156856901
Carl Barks Print: Footsteps Of Pizarro
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1156856901
Back in 1996 Disney asked Carl barks to create a number of color
pencil sketches to add dimension to his oil paintings - 40 of these
were reproduced in a limited number of 1,000 and sold together as the
Carl Barks treasury!!! Now I am selling these prints individually
(8" X 10") matted and ready for framing!!! This one is entittled:
In The Footsteps Of Pizarro!!! [No scan, but digital photo. DvE.]
- - - - - - -
# 1156547623
CARL BARKS AUTOGRAPHED COMIC BOOK DONALD DUCK
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1156547623
This is a copy of ?THE BEST OF DONALD DUCK AND UNCLE SCROOGE?, from
1964. The COMIC BOOK has CARL BARKS?, the creator of UNCLE SCROOGES,
AUTOGRAPH on the top of the first page. The COMIC reprints 2 classic
CARL BARKS stories ? ?The Old Castle?s Secret? and The Golden Helmet?.
Purchased new when it was originally issued. Never used or read in
NEAR MINT CONDITION, with only minor cover scuffing.
- - - - - - -
# 1156224858
Barks Collector Lot of 3 Carl Barks Fanzine!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1156224858
Lot of three different issues of the Barks Collector, the rare Carl
Barks fanzine! #7 is in FINE condition- has some 'spotting' on the
back cover that does not go through the paper, otherwise this is a
near mint copy. #8 and #11 are both Near Mint, with no spotting,
tears, or damage.
[Seller does not specify which scan belongs to which issue.
My guess: the cookie-cover (with back cover) is #7, the Groucho cover
is #8, and the serpent cover is #11. But again, this is a guess. DvE.]
- - - - - - -
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Anders' future-photographs from long ago
Message 246 -
2001-06-17 at 18:35:25
ANDERS SIVEBAEK to GILLES, 15-05-2001:
> [future] There's some stories there that would be fun to see.
> I also remember one, but it was just about a camera that could
> take pictures of the future. (Dutch)
Is that a Disney story? Which one?
- Daniel
> [future] There's some stories there that would be fun to see.
> I also remember one, but it was just about a camera that could
> take pictures of the future. (Dutch)
Is that a Disney story? Which one?
- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Unlax
Message 247 -
2001-06-17 at 18:42:41
RODNEY W BOWCOCK, 15-05-2001:
> [unlax] I think this term originated from the Amos and Andy program
> of the 30's and 40's. Anyone who knows about american radio of this
> period knows that this was possibly the most popular program ever.
> It got so popular that movie theaters would schedule intermissions
> every night from 7:00-7:15 so people wouldn't miss the action, and
> during summer nights you could walk down suburban streets and hear
> the entire show from people's open windows. It's virtually impossible
> that Barks didn't hear this show, and I'm 75% certain that's where
> the phrase came from.
Do you mean that Barks used the "unlax" term in one (or more) of his
stories? If so, I would like to know which one(s).
- Daniel
> [unlax] I think this term originated from the Amos and Andy program
> of the 30's and 40's. Anyone who knows about american radio of this
> period knows that this was possibly the most popular program ever.
> It got so popular that movie theaters would schedule intermissions
> every night from 7:00-7:15 so people wouldn't miss the action, and
> during summer nights you could walk down suburban streets and hear
> the entire show from people's open windows. It's virtually impossible
> that Barks didn't hear this show, and I'm 75% certain that's where
> the phrase came from.
Do you mean that Barks used the "unlax" term in one (or more) of his
stories? If so, I would like to know which one(s).
- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Donald's 313 car
Message 248 -
2001-06-17 at 18:55:41
HALSTEN AASTEBOL to OLAF SOLSTRAND, 16-05-2001:
>> I've also seen on the Norwegian TV show "Norge Rundt" some people
>> making a real car exact similar as 313. [...]
> That car actually exist, yes! It's an almost exact replica of 313 as
> seen in the comics.
When did Donald's car appear for the first time?
> The engine however is not a "1920 Mixwell engine" as described in
> "Volcano Valley", but rather a more well known engine from an
> Opel Kadett.
Is "1920 Mixwell engine" a reference to a real existant engine?
- Daniel
>> I've also seen on the Norwegian TV show "Norge Rundt" some people
>> making a real car exact similar as 313. [...]
> That car actually exist, yes! It's an almost exact replica of 313 as
> seen in the comics.
When did Donald's car appear for the first time?
> The engine however is not a "1920 Mixwell engine" as described in
> "Volcano Valley", but rather a more well known engine from an
> Opel Kadett.
Is "1920 Mixwell engine" a reference to a real existant engine?
- Daniel
Francesco Spreafico
"Science friction"
Message 249 -
2001-06-17 at 19:00:48
From: "S?ren Krarup Olesen" <raptus at stofanet.dk>
> Sprea, what is your opinion about this? I know that you are a big
> Heinlein fan, but if I remember correctly he had more imagination than
> humour and he also belongs to the "hard" department, right? Are you
> satisfied with Italian Disney sci-fi stories or...? :-)
I guess I've been "spoiled" by an "old" (from the 80's) story drawn by
Massimo De Vita "Zio Paperone e la rivoluzione elettronica" in which Scrooge
actually invented the Internet like it is today way back when in Real Life
only US Universities and Army used it. Lots of non-comic SF stories had had
the same kind of Net for decades, but of course I hadn't read them yet, and
that was, I think, my first glance at wthe future. (And after that I'd been
waiting for it to become real! :-) So SF stories in Disney comics are normal
for me.
--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo
> Sprea, what is your opinion about this? I know that you are a big
> Heinlein fan, but if I remember correctly he had more imagination than
> humour and he also belongs to the "hard" department, right? Are you
> satisfied with Italian Disney sci-fi stories or...? :-)
I guess I've been "spoiled" by an "old" (from the 80's) story drawn by
Massimo De Vita "Zio Paperone e la rivoluzione elettronica" in which Scrooge
actually invented the Internet like it is today way back when in Real Life
only US Universities and Army used it. Lots of non-comic SF stories had had
the same kind of Net for decades, but of course I hadn't read them yet, and
that was, I think, my first glance at wthe future. (And after that I'd been
waiting for it to become real! :-) So SF stories in Disney comics are normal
for me.
--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Donald's 313 car, an addition
Message 250 -
2001-06-17 at 19:36:12
I've looked up "Volcano Valley" (OS 147, panel 5.5), which describes
Donald's 313 car as having "1920 Mixwell engine! '22 Dudge body!
'23 Paclac axles! Wheels off a lawn mower!"
In my previous email I asked about the Mixwell engine, but
I would also like to know what "Dudge" and "Paclac" refer to.
- Daniel
"I don't know! I'm trying to see whose car is at Daisy's house!"
Donald's 313 car as having "1920 Mixwell engine! '22 Dudge body!
'23 Paclac axles! Wheels off a lawn mower!"
In my previous email I asked about the Mixwell engine, but
I would also like to know what "Dudge" and "Paclac" refer to.
- Daniel
"I don't know! I'm trying to see whose car is at Daisy's house!"
YMH
"Hard" SF
Message 251 -
2001-06-17 at 19:37:26
"Hard" Science Fiction is a term that reffers to Science Fiction that
is mostly technology or science-driven instead of character or plot-driven.
Usually the characters are only incidental. And usually the science and
technology actually make sense, which is why Voyager is not Hard SF -- it's
just *bad* SF. It tries to be character and plot driven and fails utterly due
to weak characters and weak plots, ends up relying on treknobbable to solve
all their problems but do *that* badly as well. (Oh, and please don't assume
all Trek is this bad -- Voyager is just plain terrible, but most of the other
three series, the movies, and many of the novels and comics are *really*
good...)
By the way, there were no "rubber" spaceships involved in the episode
you saw -- all the VFX were computer generated. :-)
is mostly technology or science-driven instead of character or plot-driven.
Usually the characters are only incidental. And usually the science and
technology actually make sense, which is why Voyager is not Hard SF -- it's
just *bad* SF. It tries to be character and plot driven and fails utterly due
to weak characters and weak plots, ends up relying on treknobbable to solve
all their problems but do *that* badly as well. (Oh, and please don't assume
all Trek is this bad -- Voyager is just plain terrible, but most of the other
three series, the movies, and many of the novels and comics are *really*
good...)
By the way, there were no "rubber" spaceships involved in the episode
you saw -- all the VFX were computer generated. :-)
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Dutch story
Message 252 -
2001-06-17 at 20:15:25
Daniel
The story I mentioned was:
AA93-26e H 90135 4 EGe MHe DD Foto fra fremtiden
Photo from the future. at some point it shows how HDL would look in the
future.
Do you remember in which connection I rambled about that story?
I remember it is a good one - which is strange as I at the time
actually didn't like the ducth stories.
That calls for an explanation, that I just liked the d-coded stories
and the ones by Carl Barks better -
Much later I discovered nice stories by frist, Milton and Jippes later
others. But I don't have large access
to them, and I'm not very good at reading dutch. It's seems the danish
publisher either had or still has the
same negative point of wiev towards the dutch stories as I had back
then.
But maybe a show of the right direction is that they're starting to
print the odd ducth story by eg. Milton
in the extra, a monthly.
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
The story I mentioned was:
AA93-26e H 90135 4 EGe MHe DD Foto fra fremtiden
Photo from the future. at some point it shows how HDL would look in the
future.
Do you remember in which connection I rambled about that story?
I remember it is a good one - which is strange as I at the time
actually didn't like the ducth stories.
That calls for an explanation, that I just liked the d-coded stories
and the ones by Carl Barks better -
Much later I discovered nice stories by frist, Milton and Jippes later
others. But I don't have large access
to them, and I'm not very good at reading dutch. It's seems the danish
publisher either had or still has the
same negative point of wiev towards the dutch stories as I had back
then.
But maybe a show of the right direction is that they're starting to
print the odd ducth story by eg. Milton
in the extra, a monthly.
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Backup#8
Message 253 -
2001-06-17 at 21:58:31
GILLES MAURICE, 16-05-2001:
> I just saw the Backup#8 in my mailbox (with Barks' Bibliography).
> Great! I was very surprised to see Fran?ois' and Harry's names!
I would like to know more about this publication. Is it a magazine?
Does it appear frequently? How many pages does it have? Who is the
publisher? What is the cover date? What are the Barks contents?
- Daniel
> I just saw the Backup#8 in my mailbox (with Barks' Bibliography).
> Great! I was very surprised to see Fran?ois' and Harry's names!
I would like to know more about this publication. Is it a magazine?
Does it appear frequently? How many pages does it have? Who is the
publisher? What is the cover date? What are the Barks contents?
- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Red dye story (WDC 201)
Message 254 -
2001-06-17 at 23:20:03
In Barks' red dye story (WDC 201), Donald accidently dyes the city red.
According to my dictionary, the saying "paint the city red" means
something like: having a good time by going into the city, like going
to a disco or having a dinner in a restaurant. (In Dutch, the saying is
"de bloemetjes buiten zetten", which means "put the flowers outside".)
Could there be a connection between the "paint the city red" saying
and the red dye story, or is that too far-fetched?
BTW. I have no idea if the saying has any double ('dark') meanings, because
it seems to be slang. So, my apologies if I'm asking a strange question.
- Daniel
According to my dictionary, the saying "paint the city red" means
something like: having a good time by going into the city, like going
to a disco or having a dinner in a restaurant. (In Dutch, the saying is
"de bloemetjes buiten zetten", which means "put the flowers outside".)
Could there be a connection between the "paint the city red" saying
and the red dye story, or is that too far-fetched?
BTW. I have no idea if the saying has any double ('dark') meanings, because
it seems to be slang. So, my apologies if I'm asking a strange question.
- Daniel
Shelley Hanson/KlezmerAllThatJazz
Off-topic, Heinlein
Message 255 -
2001-06-17 at 23:21:15
Soren wrote:
if I remember correctly [Heinlein] had more imagination than
> humour and he also belongs to the "hard" department, right?
As a Heinlein fan, I can't agree that Heinlein was lacking in the humor
department. He had a sharp satirical edge, particularly in many of the short
stories which may not be readily availble. If you can find his classic "By
His Bootstraps," you will see that this was one of the first time-travel
stories to really lay out the paradoxes, and hilariously (but with a cutting
edge). Heinlein's juveniles, like "Have Spacesuit Will Travel," also reveal
a sardonic wit. Or check out the treatment of the media at the end of
"Tunnel in the Sky" -- talk about being ahead of his time. Although he, as
an engineer, certainly can be classified in the "hard" category because of
his attention to detail and plausible science, his characterizations are far
above those of most of the writers of his era -- or, in my opinion, now. If
you've read a lot of Heinlein, the magnitude of the sci-fi plots that
Heinlein has already covered becomes very clear. It's really hard to come up
with something Heinlein hasn't already done in one way or another. I view
him as the Carl Barks of science fiction, or as one writer termed in, the
Robert Louis Stevenson of the 20th century.
Speaking of humor, did you like the famous Star Trek (original series)
episode "The Trouble with Tribbles"? Clearly David Gerrold did, as he stole
the plot from a chapter of Heinlein's "The Rolling Stones" for that episode
(not to mention other writing Gerrold claims as his own which is also
Heinlein-plot based). Gerrold has acknowledged the source of "his" idea.
By the way, I hate the stuff Heinlein wrote at the end of his career. In my
opinion, the first half of "Stranger in a Strange Land" was vintage
Heinlein, which took a weird turn halfway through, and I never really liked
anything he wrote afterward.
I'm curious: are Duck fans also sci-fi fans? Or is it just a few of us?
if I remember correctly [Heinlein] had more imagination than
> humour and he also belongs to the "hard" department, right?
As a Heinlein fan, I can't agree that Heinlein was lacking in the humor
department. He had a sharp satirical edge, particularly in many of the short
stories which may not be readily availble. If you can find his classic "By
His Bootstraps," you will see that this was one of the first time-travel
stories to really lay out the paradoxes, and hilariously (but with a cutting
edge). Heinlein's juveniles, like "Have Spacesuit Will Travel," also reveal
a sardonic wit. Or check out the treatment of the media at the end of
"Tunnel in the Sky" -- talk about being ahead of his time. Although he, as
an engineer, certainly can be classified in the "hard" category because of
his attention to detail and plausible science, his characterizations are far
above those of most of the writers of his era -- or, in my opinion, now. If
you've read a lot of Heinlein, the magnitude of the sci-fi plots that
Heinlein has already covered becomes very clear. It's really hard to come up
with something Heinlein hasn't already done in one way or another. I view
him as the Carl Barks of science fiction, or as one writer termed in, the
Robert Louis Stevenson of the 20th century.
Speaking of humor, did you like the famous Star Trek (original series)
episode "The Trouble with Tribbles"? Clearly David Gerrold did, as he stole
the plot from a chapter of Heinlein's "The Rolling Stones" for that episode
(not to mention other writing Gerrold claims as his own which is also
Heinlein-plot based). Gerrold has acknowledged the source of "his" idea.
By the way, I hate the stuff Heinlein wrote at the end of his career. In my
opinion, the first half of "Stranger in a Strange Land" was vintage
Heinlein, which took a weird turn halfway through, and I never really liked
anything he wrote afterward.
I'm curious: are Duck fans also sci-fi fans? Or is it just a few of us?