Keskustelujen arkisto

Hi A.C.
Not only the schools is a subject that has been passed over in silence. I have seen some bath tubs in DD's, but until the newest Don Rosa comic (With the blueprints...) have I ever, ever - as far as I remember - seen a toilet. -Actually we only see the ...er, seat??? , but anyway, people have toilets...
People die - but never in DD comics. (That'd be sad - but reality...) (Yeah, OK, mr. Rosa let $'s dad die, I know...)
Returning to the subject: Schools and ducks. Most people go to school - and sometimes ducks do too...
A story showing HD&L in school is in my opinion a funny idea. Please notice the word "funny"... I see it as a gag story, since it seems quite hard to imagine an adventure taking place in a school yard. Bullying (which I don't think is called "Mobbing" in English? -Unless, of course, you was attacked (physical) by the other students. ) could of course be chosen as a subject - but really AC, since you have been a victim of bullying, you could answer: Would you, when you was released from the "torture" in school, like to go home, and be remindend of your suffering when "visiting" your friends in duckburg? I found it prefereable to forget about victimisation and meet with adventures... (I don't even think a story where the bullyer is defeated in some way, would cheer me up... :o( ... )
About Learning From Comics:
YES, it certainly is OK to let kids learn from comics. ANd I am so sorry, it isn't accepted. Though, I remember mu teacher in history telling that when he was studying at the Uuniversity, they discussed "popular science" (Meaning something like 'Science for gunsils/dummies/everyone, right?), and after having studied some DD's/Uncle$'s and some magazines of Pop. Sci., they found out that the reseach for DD's was better than the research for the mag.s... It is food for thought, hmm...

/99E

mob:

sb p?bel; flok; bande
vb stimle sammen; stimle sammen om, omringe ( fx the prince was mobbed by sight-seers
overfalde i flok
Fra Gyldendals Engesk-dansk.

----- Original Message -----
From: Anders Christian Sivebaek <acsive at mail.mira.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: 18. juni 2001 20:26
Subject: Duckburg Schools

> Hello fellow fans!
>
> Having been studying at a danish teacher's college for almost a year
> now, I just spend some time thinking about schools in Duckburg.
>
> This subject has several aspects. First claim from me: There's not
> often shown scenes or stories from Duckburg school in the weekly. I
> mean we often see the ducks on adventures, doing things in their spare
> time, having different jobs and so on. I of course remember some times
> when school was the subject of eg. a Barks-story - but some of those
> have truant officers as main charecters as HDL don't want to go to
> school in those stories.
>
> I see something self-condradicting in the fact that the kids are often
> shown as not wanting to go to school, and then, at the same time,
> they're Junior Woodchucks, learning all kinds of things through that.
> Oh - and being that they might not think they have any need for school
> - as they can have it all at the JW's? Is that right or wrong of them?
>
> In another story by Barks that I read in danish in 1993 or so, the
> danish caption in the splash panel (Want to buy an island?) almost made
> me ... throw up. It says, HD and L actually like to go to school, it's
> so funnyyyy. At the time (in all my years at school) I was mobbed in
> school so I didn't agree. But the story showed how happy HDL were to
> learn something. Later though, I saw the original splash panel's
> caption, it says kindergarten...
>
> Maybe the fact that too many pupils are not happy about mobbing in
> classes and pauses at school, explains a lot about why there aren't
> many stories about it. Still I remember a quite good story where HDL
> was confronted with one who wanted to mob others, and they try to do
> something about it. In the end they make friends. I don't recall the
> story code right now, sorry.
>
> I remember another story, which I read in the 80'es when I was myself
> what I consider a child. Back then I wasn't so interested in artists
> and all, I just enjoyed the stories like a good boy;-) Of course that
> is the porpouse of the stories for most people, and the childlike ones
> (the ones who are children, or a such at heart) too. The story was
> about HDL having to write an essay for the next day, so they run to
> Gyro to ask for an idea. He coincidentally invented a time-mashine
> (quite normal thing for him to do at that period of stories) and the
> story is about several accidents that the multi artist Limonardo da
> Vimsi causes (The name would read Lemonado da Clumsy or such in
> American, if the story is published in a Gladstone comic or such). My
> reason for mentioning that is that I of course saw what was behind that
> name: Leonardo da Vinci, and so, I suddenly knew a bit about him.
>
> I don't want to write too much about the studio-stories from the 60'es
> even though some of them have school as subjects, where eg. Scrooge is
> teacher in geography, Gyro in Chemistry and Grandma in Domestrial
> Scinece (? - Home cooking?). I am not too fond of the stories made by
> the Studio back then.
>
> I come to think of the school drawings Don Rosa made for Finland in
> 1999. The 1-page drawing of those shows HDL wishing they were at
> school, and as they're JW's hunting for knowledge I would understand
> that. Still, it's been said here that it's somewhat a gag drawing? How?
> In the way that we think of Barks showing the kids not wanting to go to
> school because they are JW's or what? From my point of wiev it wouldn't
> be the slightest strange if HD&L would be very bright pupils.
>
> Maybe a problem is that they have been 10 years for how long? In the
> stories we read today? If I had been in 4th grade, which is what we
> attend at that age, where I live, for so many years I would be pretty
> fed up with whatever it is they learn at that point.
>
> In connection with this, I also notice that the kids (HDL) are very
> interested in the Internet and computers in some new stories, and as a
> kind of answer to S?ren, it doesn't botter me. I don't mind if every
> writer or artist has his own wiev of Duckburg, I'll have one for every
> writer or artist. If I eg. read a Don Rosa story, I am used to the fact
> that the stories go on in the 50'es, and I read the Barks-stories more
> or less the same way. Other stories can show HDL or Scrooge working
> with internet or PC's as they're another kind of stories from my point
> of wiev. The Scrooge of the firstmentioned kind of stories can't be
> shown in a story in eg. the 90'es - not from my point of wiev. The
> second-mentioned Scrooge is forever the age he was in his best years
> with Barks, and HDL are 10 years old forever - and this would be
> possible because Duckburg is either stuck in time, or (whoa!) without
> time - in those stories that is.
>
> So, coping with the fact (not fully accepting it) that I'm part of a
> small minority of readers - socalled donaldists, who are very
> interested in many different aspects of Duckburg - I wonder if the
> usual reader would like it - or throw up - if he/she read about HDL in
> school. Would it be okay to teach kids something through the Weekly?
> Would it be fun to see HDL in school for a day - seeing what they
> do/learn, what silly/wise teachers they have? The old codex (what not
> to show and what to show) of Gutenberghus, the publisher in Denmark
> before it was named back to Egmont, said that a writer/artists
> shouldn't make the stories so that any particular group would be hated.
> They for some reason mentioned teachers (!), but if a writer/artist
> shows teachers as they really are (some are good, some aren't) would it
> be okay today?
>
> Large () (I should tell that I've been member of the staff of the local
> school paper for the last year. The school is not only teacher's
> college, though it's known for that, but also a special danish high
> school form taking 2 years (higher prepertaion-exam, hf in danish).
> Many of the pupils and a few teachers subscribe to our paper, which
> comes out 5 times a year or so. For the last 4 numbers I've written a
> column, on this my favorite interest, Ducks - Chances are that I make
> take this subkect, school, as the thing for the 2nd column next school
> year (the first coming will be music in Duck comics)) End of ()
>
> I challenge any writer/artist/donaldist/fan/reader to come up with
> ideas on this, discuss or comment.
>
> (Stepping down from the sodapop-box)
> A. C. Sivebaek
> acsive at mail.mira.dk
>
>

Don:

> For our non-fluent-in-English
> members, "drake" is a male duck or sometimes just a duck and a word
> slightly more commonly used in England than in America.

Interesting! It never occurred to me that "Drake" was an actual English
word. The Dutch translation of Ludwig Von Drake is Otto van Drakestein.
"Otto" sounds a bit German alright, but "Drakestein" is just inspired by the
castle where our queen lived before she became our queen. It means something
like "Dragon castle". Probably the original translator didn't know anything
about drakes either.

I had a similar experience with the names Gander and Coot: only years after
I saw these English names, I realised what their meaning was.

Funny: the Dutch translations of most Disney character names don't refer to
animals at all: Duck (no meaning), Geluk (luck), Prul (piece of garbage,
this is Coot's name).

Kjell:

> BTW, the name "L?ngtbortistan" (Farawaystan) is sometimes
> used in Sweden
> when you refer to an indefinite distant locality.

Same in Holland: "Verweggistan" has become a common expression. This has
been discussed in articles and books about modern Dutch language, but I
think no-one laid the link with Disney comics, let alone Barks.
Maybe someone can prove, someday, that the Barks stories *are* the origin of
the word "Verweggistan".

--Harry.

Eero-Pekka:

> Have anyone read the book "How to read Donald Duck:
> Imperialist Ideology in the Disney Comic"

Yep. I read the English and Dutch translations lots of times. Most
interesting for me was the publication information given with the stories
that were discussed. In the 70s, when the book was issued, we didn't have
indexes about Disney comics...

Lots of things in the book make good sense to me, especially the implicit
insult of 3rd-world-peoples in Disney comics.
Lots of other things were overreactions to USA imperialism, combined with
lack of humour.

In fact, there are some Barks gags that I only understood after the
explanation in this book! Example (quoting from memory):

- "Do you have phones here (in this new African developing country)"?
- "Yes, in all kinds and colors! But there's only one with a line - it's a
direct connection to the World Loan Bank!"

I only got the joke when they explained about the World Loan Bank...

> The reading is supposed to be fun. I can't imagine Donald
> commenting the president election of the U.S etc.

A writer *can* sneak in some of his own opinions or views on the world. And
it's still happening. Yesterday I read a pocket book story about the Ducks
going to a different world, where the women ruled in stead of the men. What
could have been a very politically correct story, came out as an insult to
womenhood...

--Harry.

From: Kjell Crone <kjell.crone at ifsab.se>
>Is that the word, sodapop?
>>>>This is interesting,
according to my dictionary, there is no such word! Strange.
But soda, isn't that carbonated plain water ?
And lemonade, isn't that *uncarbonated* fruit juice, with water and sugar
added ?
There also is something called "soft drink", I think this is the right word.

Yes, correct, lemonade is not "soda pop".
There are different words for things like Coca-Cola in various parts of the
nation here. Some regions call them "soda pop". Other regions just say "pop"
or just "soda". Here in Kentucky we call them "soft drinks"... maybe because
Kentucky is where most of the country's HARD drinks come from (whiskey,
bourbon, white lightnin', moonshine, etc.).
We're teaching a lot about Kentucky lately, eh? It's a state to be proud
of -- we are the country's major supplier of liquor & tobacco, also known
for gambling on horse races and having many hunters, people wildly fanatical
about sports, and being in the running for the most overweight and
undereducated population in the USA... and the most famous Kentuckian
(Louisvillian) is someone known worldwide because he used to pummel other
people senseless with his fists.
But we do say "soft drink".

Thanks to Keno Don and the rest who responded to my Cornelius Coot/Duckburg
question. I vaguely remember reading the explanation but couldn't remember
whether it was Don or Barks who gave the explanation, and I sure didn't
remember where.

--your pal, Hoy, Don's neighbor in West Virginia, where cousins go to marry

In a message dated 6/19/01 4:11:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:

> >What I really don't like about Van Horn's art is what happens to his Ducks'
> >eyes when they're *closed* -- the edges go away and we're left with just
> >two
> >curves. Reminds me too much of anime. :-)
>
> What's wrong about anime?
>

:::shrug::: Just a personal dislike of that style of art. Plus the frame rate
is too low.

Hey Harry!

>Maybe someone can prove, someday, that the Barks stories *are* the origin
of
>the word "Verweggistan".

There's a Barks piece with the name "Farbackishan": the Gyro
Gearloose story "Buffaloed by Buffalos". The use of "-shan" rather than
"-stan" makes it uncertain, though.
More likely is another Barks story where the name "Faroffistan"
appears - but I don't remember which one this *is*! Still, it's out there,
and I'm willing to bet it's the origin of the (in)famous place-name.

David