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Stefan Diös
I'd like to thank everyone who shared their opinions (and assertions) about
Carl Barks' oil paintings recently on this list. I'm about to write an
article about that time in Barks' life, and I'm not savvy enough to the
fine arts to give a valuable opinion myself.

But I do recall when some paintings were exhibited in Copenhagen in 1994.
Myself, I liked them because I knew they were Barks and I recognized the
characters and situations, but I couldn't say anything really deep as to
the artistic quality... I was more like "well, cool, this is nice, I
guess". One of my friends, however, whom I do trust to have an eye for art
as well as being a dedicated Barks fan, expressed some disappointment at
the paintings. I'm talking from memory here with some uncertainty, but the
idea was that Barks' talent was vastly greater for comics than for oil
painting. I remember some phrase like "they may look good in all those
posters and reproductions, but when you come close to the real thing, it's
immediately apparent what amateur stuff this really is".

So, it was refreshing for me to see similar views expressed on this list,
but maybe even more so to find the different viewpoint represented. I
especially appreciated Donald Ault's touching description of what this
meant to Barks himself, and John Garvin's almost equally touching account
of what it meant to him! Not to mention his detailed analysis explaining
the finer points of the paintings. Thank you, all!

I'll soak up some of this information and try to present it in my article
as balanced as possible. If anyone has something to add regarding Carl
Barks' life after his retirement from comics, don't hesitate to contact me
in private mail.

Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Olaf Solstrand
Hi!
Can you help me find the English words for some characters?

In the weekly, we sometimes can read a Kari Korhonen-comic which in Norway
has the title "Donald Rakker-Duck". These are stories about Donald's
childhood at Grandma's farm.

What's the name of these stories in English (American)? "Rakker" is a
Norwegian word, so I guess that is replaced with something else...

In this comic, he also has some friends. And they're not Gyro or Mickey or
Goofy or Gladstone, but brand new figures only used by Kari. What are their
names?
I'm thinking of:
- Donald's best friend, "Ronny" in Norwegian, which Donald loves to play
sheriff with. His father is a shop-owner.
- Donald's and "Ronny"'s female friend, "Pia" in Norwegian, a bright girl
which I think Donald has a little crush on... Her mother owns a cafeteria on
a boat.
- The big bully often mobbing Donald (as someone just said "mob" is not the
right word, but...), "Kjartan" or "Kjakan" (I'm not 100% sure of the
Norwegian name either here...)
- And, if you know it, the name of Grandma's neighbor. Thanks!

(Although I love Barks, I'm not 100% barksist. Kari Korhonen is one of my
favourites, behind Don Rosa... As a script writer, of course, I don't think
he is a too good drawer. I would say he draws ducks in the same way that
Noel Van Horn draws mice...)

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And now, a question for you barksists; In the hypnotizer gun story, where
Donald is hypnotized by that toy gun, he goes to get some money from a big
bully. What's HIS name in English / American? In Norway it was Sterke-Jens
or Sterke-Lars, I'm not 100% sure. ("sterk" means strong, Jens/Lars is a
typical Norwegian first name)

-----

BTW:
In the Donald strips in the Norwegian weekly magazine "Hjemmet", I often
reacted that they called Donald's girlfriend Dolly "Daisy". Now I've
realized that Daisy IS the original name. When you've always heard "Dolly"
used, "Daisy" seems strange! I don't know why Hjemmet used another
translation than the "official" Norwegian word "Dolly", but it was really
weird to understand that they actually was right.

Where did the word "Dolly" come from? Maybe it has the same origin as from
the Aqua song "Barbie Girl":

"I'm a blonde little girl, in my fantasy world
Dress me up, make it tight, I'm your dolly"

:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

-olaf- ( http://home.no.net/treaa/ )
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Olaf Solstrand
Never mind... I found it at the Inducks...

"Donald Rakker-Duck" turned out to be Donny Duck.
"Ronny" turned out to be Louis.
"Kjakan"/"Kjartan" turned out to be Tom.
And "Sterke-Jens/Lars" turned out to be Rockjaw Bumrisk.

btw, isn't it about time we got to read another Disney story which finds
place in Kentucky, which we all know so much about?

-olaf- ( http://home.no.net/treaa/ )
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David B. Fenske
I have to jump in here, and relinquish lurker status for a moment. All
this talk of Heinlein and
sci-fi in general is interesting. Heinlein is the first sci-fi writer I
cut my teeth on way back when
I was in grade school, and that led to Arthur C. Clarke, Frank Herbert
(Dune rules!), Tolkien,
Asimov, and others. This also fit in with my love of early Superman/Batman
comics. So why,
I wonder, did I buy so many Disney comics as a kid, especially Uncle
Scrooge and Donald Duck?
And WDCD? US comics represented the majority of my Disney
purchases. Despite the occasional
sci-fi or space theme in Disney comics (loved how they can just jump in a
backyard rocket and be in
space or at the moon in a few minutes), the Disney world is much different
from your typical sci-fi
universe. I guess it just says something about the pull of good stories
and artistry... much of which
was coming from Barks, even though at the time I had no idea who he was.

At 02:16 PM 06/18/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>"Shelley Hanson/KlezmerAllThatJazz":
>
> > By the way, I hate the stuff Heinlein wrote at the end of his career. In
>my
> > opinion, the first half of "Stranger in a Strange Land" was vintage
> > Heinlein, which took a weird turn halfway through, and I never really
>liked
> > anything he wrote afterward.
>
>Weird, I agree on everything you write, but this, I love every single word
>he wrote, especially the ones after Stranger :-)

I thought SIASL was a fascinating book when I read it, but I think I was too
young to really appreciate what was going on. I'm not sure I would enjoy it
as much now, as an adult, and have resisted the temptation to do a re-read
on the expanded edition. This book showed what was ahead... as Heinlein's
later works, beginning with the dreadful "I Will Fear No Evil," (clearly
some of
us differ over that one), seemed to become obsessed with adult themes. Still,
I thought "Time Enough for Love" was a very good read. I must admit I
haven't read
any of the later ones, although I keep thinking I should give them a try.

>Kriton:
> >Although I've read "Stranger in a Strange Land", I can't say I was
> >particularly impressed. On the other hand, I'd recommend two of his later
> >books "Time Enough For Love" and "I Will Fear No Evil". I'd even go as far
> >as claiming that "Time Enough For Love" is one of the best SF books ever.
>
>That's where I got my nickname ("Lazarus Long", I don't use here) from,
>that's my favourite novel:-)

It's a shame they haven't done any good film adaptations of Heinlein's work.
"The Puppet Masters" lacked something, even though it followed the book.
I have yet to see "Starship Troopers," because it sounds like the gore and
special effects hijacked the story.

David Fenske

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Anders Christian Siveb¾k
NINIE (was it? from odd Bjarne Poulsen's adress)

I absolutely follow your opinions. I do think the word mobbing would be
known in english, as the word mob is english. I don't know what I
experienced in school was mobbing or bullying, I certainly felt chased for
all 11 years. Actually i wouldn't be sad to read about schools in the
weekly, not even back then, cause friends and kids in Duckburg School were
nice, and my classmates at school didn't seem to be.
The mobber/bullyer in the story i mentioned was mobbing because of
personal problems, and not feeling he was good enough in eg. Maths. I
would think that is often the reason for someone to mob - I always thought
of that - it's worst for the one who mobs... he/she really must feel bad.

popular science... yeah. As i told a norwegian article was supposed to be
ironic - the irony was the subject, Donald Duck, as i saw it. I'm not sure
I agree with a viewpoint I read today: It's good that the media at least
write about comics - (Me: If the write false things, I'd rather not read
anything!)

About those toilets, as far as i know, only Rosa has shown toilets in the
duck comics. In War of the Wendigo (Dwarph Indian story - the continuation
(danish explanation)) And in this new story Money bin vs. Beagle Boys.
There is a toilet room shown in the Coin too.

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 6/20/2001 6:11:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:

don Rosa wrote
> Here in Kentucky we call them "soft drinks"...

we also call them soft drinks here in the Carolinas (where we are the world's
highest per-capta of Pepsi drinkers!)

and hey, speaking of KY, what about them Louisville Sluggers!?!

Rob wrote

>Much of the science fiction of the 1930s - 1950s is now science fact.

Actually no; some of the sf of the 30s-50s is now science fact; much of it
remains fiction (or even science fantasy). ((I used to collect sf beatnick
stories ))

Steven Rowe
Theresa Wiegert
Hi!
I've noticed, while trying to catch for 2 (!) days, while I couldn't reach
my mailbox (and there are lots to read! You people write a lot!), that tha
texts comes in a strange order sometimes. I mean, Occasionally I get to
read the answer to a mail before I see the mail which has been
answered. I'm reading the digests, so I guess that the ones who have
answered "in advance" don't and that there is some kind of disorder when
the mails get bundled into digests. Could anything be done about
that? It's not a big nuisance though, but a bit confusing.

Off topic birdienews:

I have good news though, - it seems like my budgie (parakeet) is getting
better! He's sleeping at the moment, but he's been very happy the last
couple of days. It might have something to do with the fact that I
promised him a girlfriend if he tried hard to get better (there are
already 2 other birdies, but they are couple, so he's a bit alone
anyway) :)

I just saw a silhuette of Magica on a broomstick. I miss her, have to go
find some old stories with her. Is there another Magica fan out there who
has some tip on a really good Magica story to read? please tell me!

--
/Theresa, who btw loves ST-Voyager... and babylon5 and fantasy and...
Theresa Wiegert
Kjell Crone:
> The word "l?skeblask" is used by lots of people, including
> "normal" people.
> Many of them probably don't know the origin of the word.

Ha! I remember when I was younger - I was convinced that "l?skeblask" was
the right word for it in swedish - we never drank soft drinks at home,
so I hadn't heard any other word for it. But oh, what kids in school
thought that was laughable when I used it... So for a while I was quite
embarrased. That's a reason to why names shouldn't be altered concerning
old historical figures, like Leonardo da Vinci, someone mentioned
before. If you don't know the story, it might turn out wrong if you are a
young reader. I've learnt tremendously much history from duck-stories, but
it might get confusing sometimes. But L?skeblask should remain! It's a
wonderful word.
I remember a story when Donald works someplace making this L?skeblask
(from Kalle Anka, about 10-15 years ago), and everything goes a bit as it
usually does when Donald is around, and he drinks far too much and gets
all swollen, and the drink is extremely pink.... :) I think tha factory
exploded or something like that. Does anyone remember?

--
/Theresa, getting thirsty...
DGE
Hey, guys...

>About those toilets, as far as i know, only Rosa has shown toilets in the
>duck comics.
[snip]

Daan Jippes showed a toilet as early as the 1970s ("Disco-Ducks" - H
78dd09). And while they've only appeared occasionally since then in the
comics, Disney's own TV cartoons show them rather frequently. HOW TO HAUNT A
HOUSE, a short Goofy cartoon released last year, is one example: in it, a
flashlight is flushed down a toilet.
What's wrong with a toilet, anyway? Yes, it implies the Ducks have
normal bodily functions. But *implying* it doesn't mean we need to show
anything gross on-screen.
It's like saying we can't show a knife cutting a piece of meat
because the same knife could also, in theory, be used to murder someone.

David Gerstein
Eta Beta
Hi Rob,

>Eta, I was very surprised to hear YOU only want a limited amount of sci-fi
>in Disney comics. I would have guessed you would like all those
>Gottfredson sci-fi stories (especially those of Eega Beeva); not so???

Well, I said it's a bit difficult to explain... :-)

Gottfredson stuff, whatever it is, is just plain brilliant...
I love "Mickey in Sky Island", "World of Tomorrow", "Be-Junior and
the Aints" as well as, say, "Magic Shoe" or other "Fantasy" stuff
but, you see, that's what I consider "limited amount"... :-)

Cheers

Eta Beta
Luca Boschi
Hi, Fernando, and all!

I find your message only now, and surely someone just answered you...

> Ok, here I go again...I really like the Caballeros...

Well, I want to notice that the Walt Kelly's story in Zio Paperone # 141 is
VERY, VERY important. Also a short story with Donald by Walt Kelly shall be
printed in Italy soon. But this "Three Caballeros" is the original, long,
rare version. Unavailable from an ald "Albi d'Oro" from the Italian
newsstands, now at its first "popular" reprinting from when it come out. I
also want to remember you that even the two parts USA reprint, in WDC&S, was
an "edited version"... And I have no idea from how many years the Walt
Kelly's original version is not available anymore in ANY country...

> it's a very important issue in any
> way!

Righto! For the Alberto's article, too!
>
> I was checking on the Inducks and I saw that there are a Caballeros story
> that Carpi drew..."I tre caballeros e la guerra dei juke-boxes"

Yes. There is one more story with "los tres amigos", drawn by Carpi, and
written and storyboarded by... the poor me (in the book "Walt Disney
presenta Paperino"). It's the story of "Al? Paperino e la lampada in
condominio". This time it's a sort of fairy tale in the "Walt Disney's
Theatre" mood, with Panchito and Jos? as the two geniuses living together in
a magic lamp hold by Donald - Aladdin.
I agree with Don Rosa about the (im)possibility to use the magic serap? in a
"normal" Three Caballeros story. But it was possible to use it, if all the
three guys become "fantastic characters". So, I turned 'em into, and they
fly on a magic carpet again.

> I'm really curious to see how this great italian
> artist drew Panchito and Jos?!

Very, very well. Maybe there are samples by him and by other artists in the
introduction I wrote for the the Don Rosa's story, which shall come out in
Italy in ZP 142 (next July).

Luca
Sue And Gary Leach
Eta:

GARY

>Pohl Anderson

I guess that was a momentary lapse in writing, and you might have
meant Frederik Pohl and Poul Anderson... :-)

I also forgot to mention the one, the only, Cordwainer Bird!

Gary Leach
Olaf Solstrand
Hi. First, I want to thank for the tips I recieved on using digests. I
finally got it...

I guess most of you read the same weekly as I do. I mean, not the SAME - but
the same comics, the same articles, the same contests... only in a different
language. Don't you agree with me that this magazine should be changed into
something better?

Here are my opinions on what I want from a weekly Donald Duck magazine:
- The cover should, instead of being a funny gag, be more like a WDC-cover.
I LOVED the cover for no. 21 this year - Don Rosa's cover for "The Beagle
Boys vs. The Money Bin".
- The Mickey Mouse comics should be removed and placed in the Mickey Mouse
Magazine (a monthly in Norway, I don't know about other countries). Mickey
has NOTHING to do in the DD-weekly - all they have in common is Walt Disney.
- It should be at least one Carl Barks-story in each weekly.
- The silly articles should be removed - except from the ones explaining
things in the comics.
- I like the contest, but I think it should be Duckburg-related.

I want your opinions.
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Søren Krarup Olesen
All this talk about flying carpets made me reread Chendi/Bottaro's
wonderful "Paperin Babà" (I TL 273-A) which features a very amusing
flying carpet. Now, on page 24 Gladstone holds a coin with the portrait
of Scrooge, however this portrait looks like (re)drawn by Perego.

Any idea of why this was done. Could it be that Bottaro simply drew a
blank coin or...?

Søren
Fluks, H.W.
Luca:

> Well, I want to notice that the Walt Kelly's story in Zio
> Paperone # 141 is VERY, VERY important.
> this "Three Caballeros" is the original, long,
> rare version. Unavailable from an ald "Albi d'Oro" from the Italian
> newsstands, now at its first "popular" reprinting from when
> it come out.

Inducks also mentions a reprint in Capolavori Disney 5, 1992. But I guess
you exclude these collector's books from "popular" printings.

> even the two parts USA reprint, in WDC&S, was
> an "edited version"... And I have no idea from how many years the Walt
> Kelly's original version is not available anymore in ANY country...

The story was reprinted in the Dutch weekly in 1980, and twice after that,
in albums. The panels were re-arranged to 5 tiers per page. But I think the
story is complete.

--Harry.
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