Don Rosa wrote:
>I've planned on *trying* to do this story ever since I first suggested it
>(and was rejected) to Gladstone in 1988. I'll hope I can do it until I *do*
>do it... but I'm not sure when. The problem is that there's no possible
>happy ending, not that I have thus far been able to figure out.
In the ways you describe it, you're right about the "no-happy-ending". But
what about a flashback? A story about the circumstances (that MUST be at
least one typo!) around HD&L's birth? I also imagine this story can be used
to show your theory about Mr. Duck being Daisy's brother. I also imagine
that in a story like this, it would be a good thing to let Mr. Duck and
Della visit Donald in Duckburg, bringing HIS sister Daisy, which there meets
Donald (or even funnier; Gladstone), falls in love and moves to Duckburg.
Just a thought.
On Friday, I had my final exam in high school. The subject was religion and
ethics, and in my answer I mentioned the ten avatars. I had some stuff on
them from a school book, but mainly I took the information from the story
"The Ten Avatars". This, among other things, gave me a 6, which is the best
"karakter" (sorry, forgot the English word) in Norway. So Thank You, Don
Rosa, you have now also in a not-comic-form made my life better, as this
helped on my overall "karakter". (I have to do something about my English
one day)
I know nothing about Kentucky. I've never been there, I don't know any
kentuckians personally, so my Kentucky knowledge equals a circular number
once invented in India a long time ago. All that I said about Kentucky was
fetched from what Don Rosa and Dan Shane said earlier on the list. Anyway,
that Kentucky thing was not a big thing in that mail. My entire point about
bringing in Kentucky was to say that I didn't think Duckburg at all looks
like Kentucky in the Kentucky picture Don Rosa used to defend that Della
could have been very, very young getting HD&L, using Kentucky as his
example. I hope I didn't take the wrong words out of your mouth now, Don!
(anyhow, I DID understand that the cousin-thing was a joke.)
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Don: A 5th solution / Avatars | Anders Christian: Kentucky
Message 256 -
2001-06-18 at 09:48:31
Kriton Kyrimis
HD&L's father
Message 257 -
2001-06-18 at 11:38:19
DON:
> So, once I figure out that 5th possible ending, I'll go full steam ahead.
I once saw a movie ("Samantha") about an adopted girl trying to find her
real parents. When she did, it turned out that they were a bunch of rich
weirdos (the father was played by Robert Picardo, in a manner reminiscent
of his portrayal of Voyager's Doctor) who thought that having a child
was very bad for their image, so they left her at one of their neigbors'
door step. Perhaps HD&L, on discovering who their real parents were,
decided to stay with unca Donald, despite all his faults. Portraying
their parents in as ludicrous a fashion as Samantha's parents, could
prevent HD&L's decision to stay with Donald from being a sad one.
I just had this silly idea of HD&L discovering that their father is
*Fethry*!!!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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> So, once I figure out that 5th possible ending, I'll go full steam ahead.
I once saw a movie ("Samantha") about an adopted girl trying to find her
real parents. When she did, it turned out that they were a bunch of rich
weirdos (the father was played by Robert Picardo, in a manner reminiscent
of his portrayal of Voyager's Doctor) who thought that having a child
was very bad for their image, so they left her at one of their neigbors'
door step. Perhaps HD&L, on discovering who their real parents were,
decided to stay with unca Donald, despite all his faults. Portraying
their parents in as ludicrous a fashion as Samantha's parents, could
prevent HD&L's decision to stay with Donald from being a sad one.
I just had this silly idea of HD&L discovering that their father is
*Fethry*!!!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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Halsten Aastebol
Barks items (010617)
Message 258 -
2001-06-18 at 12:02:34
At 17:12 17.06.01 +0200, Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
># 1154410218
>DONALD DUCK OrgART Pat Block Carl Barks story
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1154410218
>
>A ink and watercolor model drawing from the Carl Barks/ Pat Block/ John
>Lustig Disney production "Somewhere In Nowhere", which was the great duck
>artist's last story.
This reminds me of that Italian book containing this story. If I don't
misremember, it contains both Italian and English version. Is that right?
Is it still possible to order that book? If so, how do I do it?
Halsten
># 1154410218
>DONALD DUCK OrgART Pat Block Carl Barks story
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1154410218
>
>A ink and watercolor model drawing from the Carl Barks/ Pat Block/ John
>Lustig Disney production "Somewhere In Nowhere", which was the great duck
>artist's last story.
This reminds me of that Italian book containing this story. If I don't
misremember, it contains both Italian and English version. Is that right?
Is it still possible to order that book? If so, how do I do it?
Halsten
Halsten Aastebol
Donald's 313 car
Message 259 -
2001-06-18 at 12:11:21
At 17:55 17.06.01 +0200, Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
>When did Donald's car appear for the first time?
Wasn't that in an Al Taliaferro strip of the late 30s/early 40s? When
Donald's previous car broke down. For a while he used a stubborn donkey for
transport before shifting from donkey to 313. Am I misremembering here?
> > The engine however is not a "1920 Mixwell engine" as described in
> > "Volcano Valley", but rather a more well known engine from an
> > Opel Kadett.
>
>Is "1920 Mixwell engine" a reference to a real existant engine?
I guess all those references to the parts of Donald's car are puns.
Halsten
>When did Donald's car appear for the first time?
Wasn't that in an Al Taliaferro strip of the late 30s/early 40s? When
Donald's previous car broke down. For a while he used a stubborn donkey for
transport before shifting from donkey to 313. Am I misremembering here?
> > The engine however is not a "1920 Mixwell engine" as described in
> > "Volcano Valley", but rather a more well known engine from an
> > Opel Kadett.
>
>Is "1920 Mixwell engine" a reference to a real existant engine?
I guess all those references to the parts of Donald's car are puns.
Halsten
Eero-Pekka Halinen
Don Rosa?
Message 260 -
2001-06-18 at 12:11:56
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Don: A 5th solution / Avatars | Anders Christian: Kentucky
Message 261 -
2001-06-18 at 12:26:18
At 08:48 18.06.01 +0200, Olaf Solstrand wrote:
> but mainly I took the information from the story "The Ten Avatars".
> This, among other things, gave me a 6, which is the best "karakter"
> (sorry, forgot the English word) in Norway. So Thank You, Don Rosa, you
> have now also in a not-comic-form made my life better, as this helped on
> my overall "karakter". (I have to do something about my English one day)
The word you look for is "grade" or "mark".
Halsten
> but mainly I took the information from the story "The Ten Avatars".
> This, among other things, gave me a 6, which is the best "karakter"
> (sorry, forgot the English word) in Norway. So Thank You, Don Rosa, you
> have now also in a not-comic-form made my life better, as this helped on
> my overall "karakter". (I have to do something about my English one day)
The word you look for is "grade" or "mark".
Halsten
Eero-Pekka Halinen
Whooops...
Message 262 -
2001-06-18 at 12:48:31
Of course Don's on this list, my mistake. Don't bother. (I'm new on this
list, by the way, from Finland)
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Message 263 -
2001-06-18 at 13:19:34
SHELLEY:
> By the way, I hate the stuff Heinlein wrote at the end of his career. In my
> opinion, the first half of "Stranger in a Strange Land" was vintage
> Heinlein, which took a weird turn halfway through, and I never really liked
> anything he wrote afterward.
Although I've read "Stranger in a Strange Land", I can't say I was
particularly impressed. On the other hand, I'd recommend two of his later
books "Time Enough For Love" and "I Will Fear No Evil". I'd even go as far
as claiming that "Time Enough For Love" is one of the best SF books ever.
I guess there's no accounting for taste.
> I'm curious: are Duck fans also sci-fi fans? Or is it just a few of us?
Well, there's at least two of us. The question has popped up before,
so I guess there are even more. Last time we discussed it, someone
mentioned that it takes the same amount of suspension of disbelief to
read stories about spaceships travelling through the galaxy as it takes
to read stories about talking ducks and mice!
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> By the way, I hate the stuff Heinlein wrote at the end of his career. In my
> opinion, the first half of "Stranger in a Strange Land" was vintage
> Heinlein, which took a weird turn halfway through, and I never really liked
> anything he wrote afterward.
Although I've read "Stranger in a Strange Land", I can't say I was
particularly impressed. On the other hand, I'd recommend two of his later
books "Time Enough For Love" and "I Will Fear No Evil". I'd even go as far
as claiming that "Time Enough For Love" is one of the best SF books ever.
I guess there's no accounting for taste.
> I'm curious: are Duck fans also sci-fi fans? Or is it just a few of us?
Well, there's at least two of us. The question has popped up before,
so I guess there are even more. Last time we discussed it, someone
mentioned that it takes the same amount of suspension of disbelief to
read stories about spaceships travelling through the galaxy as it takes
to read stories about talking ducks and mice!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Eta Beta
Heinlein, and Sheckley, and Disney (back on-topic :-)
Message 264 -
2001-06-18 at 14:03:26
SHELLEY (to Soeren)
>As a Heinlein fan, I can't agree that Heinlein was lacking in the humor
>department. He had a sharp satirical edge, particularly in many of the short
>stories which may not be readily availble.
Indeed. And, knowing Francesco rather well, I'm surprised he didn't
point out, also to get a bit back on-topic :-) , that a few italian
Disney stories were derived straight from classic S/F...
from Heinlein...
I TL 2247-4 Archimede e la casa in 4D by Figus/Campinoti
[from "And he built a crooked house" (1941)]
from Robert Sheckley (one of my absolute faves)...
I TL 812-C Paperino e il premio galattico Pavese/Gatto
[from "Dimension of Miracles" (1968)]
I TL 2118-1 Paperino e l'isola inabitabile Figus/Cavazzano
[from "Ghost 5" (1957?)
I TL 2248-5 Paperino e il dilemma del raddoppio Figus/Gula
[from "The same to you doubled" in "Can you feel anything
when I do this? (late '60s-early 70's)]
and there might be others we haven't spotted yet...
BTW, of "Ghost 5" there exist also a non-Disney version,
scripted by Francesco Guccini and drawn by Bonvi (of
Sturmtruppen fame).
>I'm curious: are Duck fans also sci-fi fans? Or is it just a few of us?
Well, here's another one... not to mention the scripters of
the above stories... :-)
Cheers
Eta Beta
>As a Heinlein fan, I can't agree that Heinlein was lacking in the humor
>department. He had a sharp satirical edge, particularly in many of the short
>stories which may not be readily availble.
Indeed. And, knowing Francesco rather well, I'm surprised he didn't
point out, also to get a bit back on-topic :-) , that a few italian
Disney stories were derived straight from classic S/F...
from Heinlein...
I TL 2247-4 Archimede e la casa in 4D by Figus/Campinoti
[from "And he built a crooked house" (1941)]
from Robert Sheckley (one of my absolute faves)...
I TL 812-C Paperino e il premio galattico Pavese/Gatto
[from "Dimension of Miracles" (1968)]
I TL 2118-1 Paperino e l'isola inabitabile Figus/Cavazzano
[from "Ghost 5" (1957?)
I TL 2248-5 Paperino e il dilemma del raddoppio Figus/Gula
[from "The same to you doubled" in "Can you feel anything
when I do this? (late '60s-early 70's)]
and there might be others we haven't spotted yet...
BTW, of "Ghost 5" there exist also a non-Disney version,
scripted by Francesco Guccini and drawn by Bonvi (of
Sturmtruppen fame).
>I'm curious: are Duck fans also sci-fi fans? Or is it just a few of us?
Well, here's another one... not to mention the scripters of
the above stories... :-)
Cheers
Eta Beta
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Red dye, karakter,
Message 265 -
2001-06-18 at 14:13:29
DANIEL
That doesn't sound far-fetched to me at all. We know how much Barks
liked to make word-puns both in titles and dialogue, so it would
surprise me if he hadn't thought of the painting the town red-reference
- BTW A danish Song contest-winner was about exactly this, painting the
town red.
But, as we both have english as our second language, maybe someone here
is more sure if this is a pun Barks thought of.
OLAF
The word you look for (karakter) is grade. Your 6 corresponds to
something like A or A+ which is utterly great! Congratulations :-) (we
have the same word, and you have to be careful not to mix it up with
the word chrecter eg comic charecter or such. There's a link, but it's
hard to explain)
Okay about Kentucky, I expected it to be so. I don't know much about
Kentucky either, other than some of my friends live there.
About the flash back-solution, that is one of the ones I can think up
too.
KRITON
Yikes, what an idea...
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
That doesn't sound far-fetched to me at all. We know how much Barks
liked to make word-puns both in titles and dialogue, so it would
surprise me if he hadn't thought of the painting the town red-reference
- BTW A danish Song contest-winner was about exactly this, painting the
town red.
But, as we both have english as our second language, maybe someone here
is more sure if this is a pun Barks thought of.
OLAF
The word you look for (karakter) is grade. Your 6 corresponds to
something like A or A+ which is utterly great! Congratulations :-) (we
have the same word, and you have to be careful not to mix it up with
the word chrecter eg comic charecter or such. There's a link, but it's
hard to explain)
Okay about Kentucky, I expected it to be so. I don't know much about
Kentucky either, other than some of my friends live there.
About the flash back-solution, that is one of the ones I can think up
too.
KRITON
Yikes, what an idea...
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
Francois Willot
Donald's car
Message 266 -
2001-06-18 at 14:46:59
Daniel:
>> That car actually exist, yes! It's an almost exact
replica of 313 as
>> seen in the comics.
>
>When did Donald's car appear for the first time?
In a 1938 Donald daily strip (July 1) and latter in
1940 (March 22), with
the "313" sign for the first time.
Francois
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>> That car actually exist, yes! It's an almost exact
replica of 313 as
>> seen in the comics.
>
>When did Donald's car appear for the first time?
In a 1938 Donald daily strip (July 1) and latter in
1940 (March 22), with
the "313" sign for the first time.
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Off-topic, Heinlein
Message 267 -
2001-06-18 at 15:16:12
"Shelley Hanson/KlezmerAllThatJazz":
> By the way, I hate the stuff Heinlein wrote at the end of his career. In
my
> opinion, the first half of "Stranger in a Strange Land" was vintage
> Heinlein, which took a weird turn halfway through, and I never really
liked
> anything he wrote afterward.
Weird, I agree on everything you write, but this, I love every single word
he wrote, especially the ones after Stranger :-)
> I'm curious: are Duck fans also sci-fi fans? Or is it just a few of us?
I think that the two things may be related, maybe because there's a lot of
SF in Disney comics (even considering only Barks, as someone does).
Eta:
>Indeed. And, knowing Francesco rather well, I'm surprised he didn't
>point out, also to get a bit back on-topic :-)
I hadn't noticed that sentence :-)
Kriton:
>Although I've read "Stranger in a Strange Land", I can't say I was
>particularly impressed. On the other hand, I'd recommend two of his later
>books "Time Enough For Love" and "I Will Fear No Evil". I'd even go as far
>as claiming that "Time Enough For Love" is one of the best SF books ever.
That's where I got my nickname ("Lazarus Long", I don't use here) from,
that's my favourite novel:-)
--
Sprea
> By the way, I hate the stuff Heinlein wrote at the end of his career. In
my
> opinion, the first half of "Stranger in a Strange Land" was vintage
> Heinlein, which took a weird turn halfway through, and I never really
liked
> anything he wrote afterward.
Weird, I agree on everything you write, but this, I love every single word
he wrote, especially the ones after Stranger :-)
> I'm curious: are Duck fans also sci-fi fans? Or is it just a few of us?
I think that the two things may be related, maybe because there's a lot of
SF in Disney comics (even considering only Barks, as someone does).
Eta:
>Indeed. And, knowing Francesco rather well, I'm surprised he didn't
>point out, also to get a bit back on-topic :-)
I hadn't noticed that sentence :-)
Kriton:
>Although I've read "Stranger in a Strange Land", I can't say I was
>particularly impressed. On the other hand, I'd recommend two of his later
>books "Time Enough For Love" and "I Will Fear No Evil". I'd even go as far
>as claiming that "Time Enough For Love" is one of the best SF books ever.
That's where I got my nickname ("Lazarus Long", I don't use here) from,
that's my favourite novel:-)
--
Sprea
Fluks, H.W.
Panchito's Señor Martinez!
Message 268 -
2001-06-18 at 15:43:31
In case this hasn't been answered yet:
> From: Fernando Ventura [mailto:fernandopventura at uol.com.br]
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:10 PM
> Probably Se?or
> Martinez is a Dutch creation, right Dutch members?
No, he was already in the American Sunday newspaper strips (drawn by Murry
and Moores).
--Harry.
(Slightly behind on reading DCML mail)
> From: Fernando Ventura [mailto:fernandopventura at uol.com.br]
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:10 PM
> Probably Se?or
> Martinez is a Dutch creation, right Dutch members?
No, he was already in the American Sunday newspaper strips (drawn by Murry
and Moores).
--Harry.
(Slightly behind on reading DCML mail)
Fluks, H.W.
Wouter (no subject)
Message 269 -
2001-06-18 at 15:59:57
Wouter:
> [The three Caballeros]
> Them meeting again, by the way, also happened in an old
> American story, but I like to forget this, I didn't really
> like that story. It was in an old Dutch weekly from 1980,
> Harry probably knows it better than me.
I think you refer to the Walt Kelly story that people already mentioned
here.
--Harry.
> [The three Caballeros]
> Them meeting again, by the way, also happened in an old
> American story, but I like to forget this, I didn't really
> like that story. It was in an old Dutch weekly from 1980,
> Harry probably knows it better than me.
I think you refer to the Walt Kelly story that people already mentioned
here.
--Harry.
Eero-Pekka Halinen
Le Chevalier Noir - The Black Knight and How to Read Donald Duck
Message 270 -
2001-06-18 at 16:13:13
Hey Don, are you going to make a sequel to this great, ticklying story?
The Knight did'nt get his [quote]Grand prix[/quote] yet, and so he said:
"I'll be back!" Allthough he appeared in [quote]Attaaaaaack[quote/], but I
think that wasn't the great return of the Black Knight. By the way, does
Kertalaaki (the black stuff) cover the armour that it doesn't melt even in a
very high temperature (If you didn't plan the story THIS well, make up an
answer for me)?
Have anyone read the book "How to read Donald Duck: Imperialist Ideology in
the Disney Comic" It discovers Disneys empire and finds out that the thing
that once was thought as innocent, is a timebomb of thinking and the
emotional life. It gives quite interesting ideas, though a big part of the
book can't be taken seriously.
The writers for example stand up for Mexico: "The Aztecland's of
course Mexico, because it's full of postcard-Mexicos prototypes: mules,
siestas, volcanos, cactuses, biiig sombreros, ponchos, serenades, machismo
and the ancient culture indians.(...) This is not the real Mexico with its
problems, but ordinary, filled with exotic characters Mexico." The book
contains a lot of these kind of sights. What I think is simple: You can't
give children (most of the comic readers) a comic full of politic attitudes.
The reading is supposed to be fun. I can't imagine Donald commenting the
president election of the U.S etc.
The ones who have read the book (if there are any), I would like to have
your opinion of it.
And don't mind of my enklaishhh, if there are a lot of slips.
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The Knight did'nt get his [quote]Grand prix[/quote] yet, and so he said:
"I'll be back!" Allthough he appeared in [quote]Attaaaaaack[quote/], but I
think that wasn't the great return of the Black Knight. By the way, does
Kertalaaki (the black stuff) cover the armour that it doesn't melt even in a
very high temperature (If you didn't plan the story THIS well, make up an
answer for me)?
Have anyone read the book "How to read Donald Duck: Imperialist Ideology in
the Disney Comic" It discovers Disneys empire and finds out that the thing
that once was thought as innocent, is a timebomb of thinking and the
emotional life. It gives quite interesting ideas, though a big part of the
book can't be taken seriously.
The writers for example stand up for Mexico: "The Aztecland's of
course Mexico, because it's full of postcard-Mexicos prototypes: mules,
siestas, volcanos, cactuses, biiig sombreros, ponchos, serenades, machismo
and the ancient culture indians.(...) This is not the real Mexico with its
problems, but ordinary, filled with exotic characters Mexico." The book
contains a lot of these kind of sights. What I think is simple: You can't
give children (most of the comic readers) a comic full of politic attitudes.
The reading is supposed to be fun. I can't imagine Donald commenting the
president election of the U.S etc.
The ones who have read the book (if there are any), I would like to have
your opinion of it.
And don't mind of my enklaishhh, if there are a lot of slips.
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