Keskustelujen arkisto

Ivo:

> I live in a small town called Velserboek in the neighbourhood
> of Haarlem. I
> did make a few postings on this list, but most of the time I
> am lurking.

I think I missed your previous posts. I'm always interested in Dutch Disney
comics fans! There don't seem to be that many...

> Harry, I like your anouncements of (Don Rosa) stories that
> are going to be
> published in the DD extra. How do you get that information ?
> Connections with the VNU ?

Yep. 8-)
(Not professonally, though. I'm a software scientist working for KPN in
Leidschendam.)
The editors told me they would use the story soon. And this month's DD Extra
announces a story for next month that matches the Attaaaack story.

> http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/ecrosa.html

> I am now trying [to] get the program book of EC reunion 2000.

Maybe you can ask Michael Naiman, one of the organisers. He's also a DCML
member.
(See also http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/usa2.html for some
photographs.)

--Harry.

> <<Tom and Jerry Winter Carnival 2 (1953)
> A cynical "hero" dog contrives to have Droopy carry
> serum to forty children through terrible weather.
> Reprinted in Golden Digest 22, 3/1972>>
>

I own 2 of the 3, but I won't be able to dig them out for scanning. sorry.
I think the one I don't have was reprinted by Harvey (translated from english
to another language back to english unfortunately). I list this story, cause
my memory tells me that it was drawn by Harvey Eisenberg.

Steven Rowe

Don Rosa wrote: <Ah. Got lots of your money invested in Another Rainbow lithographs, eh?>

*Laughs out loud* Yeah, when someone is incapable of responding to an argument with reason or critical
thinking, they always resort to personal attacks. Well, actually no, Don, I do not have any money invested
in Another Rainbow lithographs. I own ONE, The Makings of a Fish Story, which I own because I was the one
who gave Barks the idea for doing a painting of the ducks treasure hunting underwater, on one of my many
visits to his home and studio to discuss painting. Who do you think you are? I am not the one coming onto a
public forum telling a world wide audience that they should ignore a quarter century of work by a revered
artist. That would be you. It takes a lot of gall, if you ask me, because everything you are, everything
you've done, everything you have created, everything you have written and drawn, you owe to Carl Barks. You
are nothing without him. How dare you think you are in a position to judge work that he has done as being
fit to be remembered or forgotten?

I aplogize to the rest of the list in advance for this angry vent, but I am tired of Don Rosa disparaging the
later work of a man whom he owes his livelyhood to. Barks did not die in the early 1960s, as Don Rosa seems
to believe. Barks lived for another quarter of a century creating and drawing, and painting. Barks will be
remembered for that work, whether Don Rosa likes it or not.

I feel that this discussion is heading towards the wrong direction (no
matter how un-grammatical correct that was).

As I've written in my homepage (which I guess none of you have read, since
it's in Norwegian), every man or woman has to believe in what he or she
feels is correct.
It is impossible to believe in every story that is written. You must make up
your mind in lots of cases:
- Are the ducks immortal, or does all the stories find place in the fifties?
- If Carl Barks writes a story in 1956, does it mean that it happened in
1956?- Does Mickey and his pals exist?
- If so, does he live in the same town as Donald?
- And are they friends of Donald?
- Does Fethry exist?
- Where is Duckburg?
- Should I believe in Rosa's Life of Scrooge?
- Should I believe that the Money Bin Blueprints are the original blueprints
of the Money Bin?
- Was the Money bin built in 1902 or 50 years later?
ETCETERA ETCETERA ETCETERA!

You always have to concider a few of these things. But the most important is
that YOU SHOULD LOVE THE ART, NOT THE ARTIST! (When I use the word art here,
I actually mean the scripts, but that doesn't cling the same way) Carl Barks
IS the greatest artist ever - and it's right, we DO all owe Carl Barks a
lot. Duckburg would have been NOTHING without him! But that doesn't mean
that HE, and HE ALONE, is God. It's up to what we prefer to BELIEVE IN!
Don Rosa prefers, as myself, to believe in the 50's-theory. Many of Barks'
stories can be read with the 50's-theory. But when Carl Barks suddenly
writes a story like "Horsing around in history", I feel that I have no
reason to believe in it! There's faxes mentioned, hi-tec searching boats,
and I think I even saw a cellular phone! Carl Barks is the best - as long as
he lets his stories happen in the 1950s! Unfortunately did CB do this only
IN the 1950s...
Love the art, not the artist!!! Carl Barks has written tons of GREAT
stories, and I love them! But for his post-1960s-work: I haven't seen too
much of it, but if it contains ducks and situations that would be impossible
for the 1950s - I choose to ignore it. As I would have done if he made a
drawing of ducks and mice, a drawing of Fethry, a drawing where Scrooge and
Grandma are siblings...

-olaf-
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Hello Halvor (and everyone)!

>>a story published in number 7 in 1961. This was a Grandma Duck
>>story, also starring HDL and Gus Goose. What's a bit
>>unusual, is that the story also includes Brer Fox and Dumbo!

I have this story somewhere in an old "Super Picsou G?ant" or something.
I've been wanting to look for it for some time now but never got to doing it.
It may be the occasion.

>>Should Dumbo be included in Barks universe, and
>>is it right that HDL know this character? I find this a bit strange. Maybe
>>stories drawn by Barks and written by others (in this case Vic Lockman) also
>>should be considered 'alternative reality'-stories? Comments anyone?

That's like the "Disneyland" stories. It sounds a bit weird they should know
and go to a place dedicated to the works of someone who created them
as fictional characters. Or maybe it's a different Disneyland?

I haven't gone through all the issues so I may have missed one; from memory,
here are some stories Barks wrote for "Disneyland" issues (in no particular order):
- "Black Pearl Island"
- "The Dream Planet"
- "Trail Tycoon"
- "Mastering the Matterhorn"
"Matterhorn" is indeed a feature of the original park in Anaheim, but this Matterhorn
is the real mountain: the story does not take place in the park; the latter only inspired
Barks this exotic locale.
For "Black Pearl Island" Barks did a little more exotic, sending the Ducks to this
far-away island which has nothing to do with Disneyland.
"Trail Tycoon" is set in the past; only the fort recalls that in Disneyland.
Only in the opening splash panel of "Dream Planet" do we see Disneyland-- but Gus
and Donald are flying away.
So it seems Barks did not like the idea of having the Ducks in Disneyland, ie, in a place
that is in the readers' "real world", where the Ducks would find the comic books in which
they are only said to exist, and (the ultimate paradox), the very comic book in which
the story is featured.

Dumbo may be considered 3 ways I think:
- a movie character, which the Ducks can only see in the movie but can never meet
(just like they read "Super Snooper" but can never meet him)
- a real person whose story was told in a movie
- just another character, regardless of the movie (it doesn't exist)

As for Br'er Fox, he's a folktale character, so the ducks should know him only as such.
But then, this Br'er Fox is the embodiment of the fictitious character, so-- er-- this is
getting too confusing...

Another example: Jaq & Gus-Gus (in a story Barks didn't write).

I think the Dumbo story is a just a fantasy: "let's imagine that they live in the same universe"
or "I have this idea involving such and such characters; they usually don't meet, but I think the
story is so good I'm going to tell it anyway".
A bit like having Scrooge's money stored in a warehouse or a giant corn crib: not to establish
a fact but to tell a good story.
I have a fond memory of this "Grandma, Dumbo, Br'er Fox" story.
Now, where is it?...

Olivier

Oddly enough on another group (classic comic strips), we briefly discussed
comic strip /book creators who went on to paint. Of those who posted, it was
agreeded that Barks would never have been known for his paintings....
And if you've seen Barks' landscapes (without ducks or creatures), you'd
know what we mean...
But frankly, if you bought one, or wish you had one, that's fine with
me....

Steven Rowe

Thanks for the scan, Kriton!
So that's how it looks like...

I don't like it either. It would be okay with his own characters,
albeit a bit too extreme.
Such extremes as shown on these pages become unbearable
when overused; you can't squash & stretch and have a character
react react that way in every single panel-- exception: p2 panel 4.
Just like Tex Avery: if the wolf was constantly walking around
the pin-up girm with his eyes out of their sockets & slack-jawed,
it wouldn't be funny but tiring. It is just too much.

Surely, it's nice to have some diversity rather than cookie-cutter /
rubber stamp characters as must be the case throughout a film.
Van Horn's ducks are definitely not Barks or Egmont ducks,
but they are highly enjoyable.

I can't remember the name of the TV series: "Qwak something"?
I have only seen two or three episodes, which are entertaining.
But I simply hate the characters they call Huey, Dewey and Louie:
they're way too modern street-wise kids.

One final thing: does anyone know why Barks so drastically changed
Daisy & Gladstone in his very last stories (the beauty salon and the
Ancient Mariner ones)? Editorial demand, I presume? How horrible
they look! they can't be Daisy and Gladstone! They must be-- they
have to be-- cons!

Olivier