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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Olaf Solstrand:

> First: The original statement, that Scroeder
> is Swedish, still stands.

No, it don't. At least two of our Swedish friends have stated very clearly
that he is a "native German". So he is a German, or if he has gained Swedish
citizenship he can be called German-Swedish, just like the Norwegians ho
went to America is called Norwegian-Americans ? a describtion that can also
be used on for example the famous actress Kristanna Loken (Terminator 3) who
has four Norwegian grandparents.

> Nobody has been able to tell yet whether he's a
> Swedish citizen or not,

But, that's irrelevant in this case. It is his origin, not his passport,
that explains his name.

> Second: Why on EARTH are we discussing that?

Because it sounded strange to present a person with a German name as a
Swede, without giving a good reason for it. However I don't blame anyone for
that assumption, because we can't expect that people outside Scandinavia
should know that Horst is *not* a typical Scandinavian name.

So please let this debate end here. It should be easy to agree that Horst
Scroeder has a German background, but is known for what he has done for the
Swedish Disney/Donaldist society. And based on statements from people who
know him; he is a nice guy ? and that's the most important thing here.

Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Don Rosa <donrosa at iglou.com> wrote:

> Um....
> Huh? I don't think I follow that....?
> (You did know that I've never been an
> engineer... I only have a college degree
> that would enable me to become one...
> right?)

Oh? I thought that you used that education when you were working for Keno
Rosa tile company sometime between 1973 and 1986?

Sigvald
Carey Furlong
Danikl Wrote:
>
> policeman: "Miss! Miss! You'll have to cut that out! A little old
> lady across the street has COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NOISE!"
>
> Magica: "Sssft!... And never have I felt SO LITTLE like being quiet!"
>
> (Which Barks story?) :-)

"The Unsafe Safe," US 38, where Magica is trying to shatter Scrooge's new
glass safe door with the loud sounds of a pipe organ. The Beagles were also
told earlier to desist from the same annoying practice by the same
policeman.

Carey
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Hi all!

Very recently pigs in Disney's stories have been an interesting topic here
on DCML. One thread is even called "Pigs is Pigs". Well I can tell you that
some cultures have a much more serious view on this matter than that. I am
thinking about both Moslems and Jews who sees pigs as unclean animals whose
meat should not be eaten. It will thus be interesting if anyone here can
tell us about whether pig-characters do appear in Arab and/or Hebrew Disney
publications, or if they are censored in any of those publications. I don't
know if there are any Moslem DCMLers, but I know for sure that there are
some Jews here ? I guess that their views about this topic are very welcome
here.

Recently some of my favourite Barks characters the Terries and Fermies
("Land Beneath the Ground" was one of the very first long Barks tales that I
ever read) have been mentioned here on DCML. I think however that there is
one important thing to add: sometimes they are all colored with the same
color ? other times they are colored with a huge variation of colors as in
the Norwegian version of "The Universal Solvent". AFAIK Barks intended them
to be colored with one color only, and that would be with the color of the
surrounding rocks ? just like the Square eggs in "Lost in the Andes" - why
else would our Duckburgian friends mistake them for being rocks?

Sigvald
Daniel Van Eijmeren
I wrote:

> [Magica] can stun and pump people by the waving of her hand,
> unless the batteries of her stunner have not gone dead.

Sigh. Do I really need to explain this grammar error? :-)
It's of course "unless the batteries of her stunner HAVE gone dead."

You've been reading yet another substantial contribution by

--- Dani?l, searching for a new lightbulb

"Very good show! Here is a REWARD for you and your talented reptile!"
(Which Barks story/gag? Come on, you dummies!) :-)
Klartekst
In an attempt to win the prize for this week's most
useless piece of information, I submit the following:

In 'Heavy Traffic* (D99295) there is a splash panel where
we can see 373 cars, vans, buses and trucks. I sure
hope Vicar got a higher page rate for this story.

Nils from Norway
Daniel Van Eijmeren
SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 01-09-2003:

> AFAIK Barks intended [the Terries and Fermies] to be colored with
> one color only, and that would be with the color of the surrounding
> rocks [...] why else would our Duckburgian friends mistake them for
> being rocks?

Barks's answer seems to be surprisingly simple. In a 1980s idea sketch
"Which Disney Themepark Is This?" (one out of three), the underground
pillars and structures *also* are coloured. In a glowing green,
lightbrown, and purple.
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/art_dpr.html#artdpr029

According to the nephews in "Land Beneath the Ground", the scene has
some kind of phosphorous light. So, that seems to be a reason for the
colours - apart from giving more colour variation to the art. But I
believe that in reality, underground caves can be very colourful, too.
Or am I misguided by false electronic lights, added to make a pretty
picture?

The Ducktales story-adaption "Earth Quack" also shows coloured
Terries and Fermies. I don't know about the rock structures.

The idea sketches resulted in the 1985 painting "In Uncle Walt's
Collectery", *without* any Terries or Fermies.
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/art_dp1980.html#artdp85u01

"Far, Far Down Beneath The Ground", a Barks 1996/1997 colour pencil
for the (IMO) underestimated "Barks Treasury" collection, contains
a green Fermy, and blue, brown, red, purple coloured pillars, as
you can see over here: http://www.seriesam.com/barks/bt0020.jpg

Has Barks really NEVER EVER used "Land Beneath the Ground" in a
painting? Didn't anyone ask him to make one? The story seems to be
almost everyone's favourite!

And I'm beginning to get fond of it, too. Despite the cuts...

--- Dani?l

- "And being PIGS must not be too bad, eh boys?"
- "Squee! Squee!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Hey, Sigvald...

>Well I can tell you that some cultures have a much more serious view
>on this matter than that. I am thinking about both Moslems and Jews
>who sees pigs as unclean animals whose meat should not be eaten.
>It will thus be interesting if anyone here can tell us about whether
>pig-characters do appear in Arab and/or Hebrew Disney publications,
>or if they are censored in any of those publications.

I can answer here. Firstly, I'm a Jew, and secondly, I've also
helped an Arab friend of mine, Jehan Zetawi (you out there, Jehan?), in his
extensive research on this *exact* subject. Interesting, indeed...
I'm not sure about in the old days; but today's Hebrew Disney comics
do show pigfaced characters appearing in Duckburg and Mouseton. I think of
Hydro Felbius in my dad's old Gyro story, "Rain-Dance Reversal" (D 96216);
he was really meant as a hippo, but was colored as a pig in many editions of
the story, and Israel went right ahead and showed him.
Meanwhile, the Arab use of pig characters varies with the country,
as Jehan's research found. Publishers in Egypt, which Jehan saw as
comparatively liberal, let a pig stay a pig. But in Gulf countries such as
Kuwait, where the editors were more conservative, Jehan found McSwine
redrawn with a dog's nose and other pigfaces becoming unspecified creatures
(still rather piglike, but with nostrils removed from their snouts).

David
Daniel Van Eijmeren
DAVID GERSTEIN to me, 30-08-2003:

>> Does Granny de Spell appear in those stories in which Magica and
>> Madam Mim live together in a castle?

> Yep. I like these stories, too, just for their basic flavor. You've
> got this whole crazy crew: frazzled Magica, exuberant Mim, nerdy
> Samson Hex, world-weary Granny, bad seed Witch Child and pesky Warlock,
> the two comedy ravens Ed and Al, even Mim's sneaky leprechaun uncle
> and this dragon named Alexander, down in the basement, whom we never
> actually see...

I don't remember all the characters you mention, but "frazzled Magica"
and "world-weary Granny" are exactly the terms I've been searching for,
to describe these (I'm told) Jim Fletcher stories.

> Only trouble with all of this is that a lot of the potential is never
> fulfilled. Stories ramble on like disjointed vaudeville sketches,
> reaching page five (of eight!) before someone says "Hey, weren't we
> getting together to cast a spell on Scrooge?" And this is the first time
> in the story that anyone has mentioned Scrooge, or anything like a real
> plot. Holy pacing problems, Batman!

I love the way you decribe this!!! :-) Maybe the castle can be seen as some
kind of funny farm for witches/sorcerers?

It's been a some time since I've last read the stories, and I don't know
if I've only seen the highlights, but from time to time I just like to read
a relaxing story which just rambles on. And these zany, wacky, directionless
castle-stories are very charming for me, that way.

> There's also the fact that very little of the original Magica or Mim
> survives. Magica's frustration is there; so is Mim's libido, but other
> aspects of their personalities are rarely shown. Scrooge's dime is,
> unfortunately, a lucky dime in these stories, and Magica's plans for it
> are never consistent.

I don't mind about this all. I like such variation in Disney comics!

Model-sheet oriented stories can become rather stale after a while (IMO),
as if they are all made on the same assembly line. Sometimes I find it
nice when the model-sheet is ignored. It gives a chance to explore new
directions.

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
OLAF SOLSTRAND "THE BLUE" to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 30-08-2003:

> (and if anyone REALLY want to see a photo of me, they can just type my
> name in Google, like Dani?l did.)

Or they can just follow this link: http://www.andebyonline.com/olaf
On Windows-computers, right-clicking on the picture will make a menu
appear. Choose "set as wallpaper", and then watch your computer get a
"Blue-screen". :-)

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
KRITON KYRIMIS to me, 30-08-2003:

> you won't believe how far into the future I had to go, until Disney
> finally failed to get yet another copyright extension. The problem
> now is that, according to my lawyer, I can only make copies of that
> [Gottfredson] edition starting from the date that Disney's Copyright
> will finally expire, so I'm afraid that you'll have to wait for a bit.
> A very *long* bit...

Just think of all the media attention you'll get by being put into jail
for 20 years, because of unleashing the good works of Floyd Gottfredson!
Just think about it! It's for the good cause. And I'm sure that our icon
Cord would be proud of you.

--- Dani?l
Cord Wiljes
Hi all:

The strangest thing happened to me: Just when I wanted to travel back in
time suddenly I fainted, probably due to the overwhelming importance of
my mission and the overwhelming emptiness of my stomach caused by my
hour-long hunger strike.

I awoke in a city I could not have imagined in my wildest fantasies:
Buildings moved like rubber. People had separate body parts. All sense
of perspective was distorted. I fled in terror from this world I never
made.

Alas while fleeing I noticed a building which promised a safe haven: A
comics shop. I entered the front door and was immediately struck by what
I saw: In the middle of the room there stood an great pile of books in
slipcases: Several dozen copies of 4 different slipcases with three
books each. They had the same format as the b/w Cark Barks library bout
were bound sideways. And they contained the whole uncensored body of
Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strips in crystal-clear print.

Realizing that I probably had traveled to the future I decided I could
call off my mission because it already had been successful. The joy was
too much so I lost consciousness again. While falling to the floor I
unsuccessfully tried to to grasp some solid object but only caught some
paper. When I got to my senses I was back home.

Was it real? Was it a dream? And how could I explain the piece of paper
still clutched between my fingers which read: "Comics Journal August
2023: "Comics' hero Kriton Kyrimis finally released after spending his
20 year sentence for fighting the good fight. He was greeted by fellow
hero Daniel van Eijmeren, who has been on a 4-hour-in-a-row hunger
strike for 20 years, and Kurt Wiltjes who got famous by sitting on the
world's shortest flag pole."

Wonders never cease.

Cord

P.S.: Sorry for the confusion my automated farewell mail may have
caused. I awoke too late to keep it from being sent.
Olivier
Dani?l:
>>> I think the sudden, zany ending is part of the fun in a lot of Barks's
>>> stories with Magica. She seems to try to be impressive, but when she
>>> gets frustrated she's humiliated, hissing, snarling, and not so sexy
>>> anymore. Well, the latter is a matter of taste, of course. :-)

Point taken. But in the "Unsafe Safe" story it seemed too quick; the ducks
arrive, the stunner sputters, and that's all. Maybe it struck me more
because I was simply skimming over the story.

Olivier
Olivier
Dani?l:

>>> D 4616 The Mysterious Garden/The Green Attack.
>>> Art by Daniel Branca.
I think I know that one. An old house where the nephews used to play.

>>> I believe Don Rosa's "The Treasury Of Croesus" (D 94012) contains that
>>> great opening scene with (IMO) one of the weirdest scenes with Magica.

I also like the opening of "The Many Faces of Magica de Spell", where she
tries to break the bin open by controlling the weather. I seem to remember
another similar story, with a meteor. A ten-pager?

>>> My favourite Rosa-story with Magica is "A Matter Of Some Gravity" (D
96001),
>>> because of the sideway-gravity idea, and the consistent, border-pushing
way
>>> of how it is handled throughout the story.

Excellent.

>>> A Marco Rota Magica story which I find great, is his money ocean story
>>> "Zio Paperone e il deposito oceanico" (I AT 215-A). As I've said before,
>>> I find the story, art, and visualization, too beautiful to be true.

I love it. Great idea, beautifully illustrated. The money storm scenes are
spectacular.

Olivier
Olivier
>>> "Very good show! Here is a REWARD for you and your talented reptile!"
>>> (Which Barks story/gag? Come on, you dummies!) :-)

I thought you had hald answered it already. Saying it was an U$ gag helped a
lot.
U$ is hypnotized by a snake charmer.back cover gag of U$ 57 (May '65); i
had to thumb through the one-pagers albums to find that one, I did remember
it.

My favorites are those of the free coffee series-- especially the doughnut
one (inside back cover U$ 12, Dec-Feb '56); and the folding cup (inside
front cover U$ 10, June-Aug '55). Imagine doing that?

Olivier
"It so happens that I have a dughnut in my pocket! A *standard size*
doughnut!"
"What a customer! Brings his own doughnuts!"
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