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Larry Giver

"Skunk Oil Factory", not "Margarine Factory" Message 271 - 2003-09-14 at 09:42:38

I got the new Gemstone US321, which has a DD story, "Willing Little Helpers".
The dialogue is credited to Gary Leach, so I suppose than means he
did the final translating into Americanese. I noticed on page 2, panel 3 that
Donald says he worked all day at the margarine factory. Gary Leach should
know that Duckburg, Calisota, USA has no margarine factory; instead Donald
often works at the "skunk oil factory", as originated by Barks long ago.
Maybe some wonder what use is skunk oil? I think Scrooge could use
some in spray cans, like mace, to use in his money bin defence system.

Larry Giver

Finally bought US320 Message 272 - 2003-09-14 at 10:00:41

For over a month I've been looking to buy US 320. The 2 local
comic shops where I bought US 319 & 321 and C&S 634, 635, and 636
order very few Gemstone Disney copies, and have been sold out
of US 320. Today a relative went to Berkeley, CA, so I asked her
to stop at the comic shop where Geof Blum held a book-signing
session about 2 weeks ago. Not only did they still have copies of
US 320, but the copy she bought for me had been already
autographed by Blum! Now I can finally read this story, after
seeing the controversy about it in the posts here.

Daniel Van Eijmeren

"Skunk Oil Factory", not "Margarine Factory" Message 273 - 2003-09-14 at 15:33:02

LARRY GIVER, 13-09-2003:

> I got the new Gemstone US321, which has a DD story, "Willing Little
> Helpers". The dialogue is credited to Gary Leach, so I suppose than
> means he did the final translating into Americanese. I noticed on
> page 2, panel 3 that Donald says he worked all day at the margarine
> factory. Gary Leach should know that Duckburg, Calisota, USA has
> no margarine factory; instead Donald often works at the "skunk oil
> factory", as originated by Barks long ago.

The skunk oil factory is taken from the tv audition ambition story
(WDC 165). It's the only one reference I can remember. However, I don't
see any reason why this small reference should mean that there's no
margarine factory in Duckburg. Also, I don't see any reason why a Barks
story should rule out possibilities in a story by other creators.

> Maybe some wonder what use is skunk oil? I think Scrooge could use
> some in spray cans, like mace, to use in his money bin defence system.

In panel 3.6 of the wispie will-o-the-wisp story (WDC 159), Scrooge
wants to ruin Donald's house by using skunk oil.

BTW. In this story, Scrooge uses rats to manipulate Donald. This is
a reversal situation compared to "A Christmas to Shacktown" (OS 367),
where Donald uses a rat to manipulate Scrooge.

--- Dani?l

"Please, please, mister McDuck! Don't take my washing machine!
I need it to support my husband and three son-in-laws!"
(Which Barks story?)

Gary Leach

DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 31 Message 274 - 2003-09-14 at 15:56:16

Larry Giver wrote:

> I got the new Gemstone US321, which has a DD story, "Willing Little
> Helpers".
> The dialogue is credited to Gary Leach, so I suppose than means he
> did the final translating into Americanese. I noticed on page 2,
> panel 3 that
> Donald says he worked all day at the margarine factory. Gary Leach
> should
> know that Duckburg, Calisota, USA has no margarine factory; instead
> Donald
> often works at the "skunk oil factory", as originated by Barks long
> ago.

I don't actually translate, but yeah, I do "Americanize" many of the
stories we get from Egmont. (Egmont supplies these stories in English.)
As for the margarine factory, Duckburg, Calisota, USA certainly does
have one. Duckburg, Anywhere has one of everything, and sooner or later
Donald will get around to working at every one of them.

Gary

Kimba1962

DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 31 (margarine factory) Message 275 - 2003-09-14 at 16:09:15

LARRY GIVER wrote:

> I got the new Gemstone US321, which has a DD story, "Willing Little Helpers".
> The dialogue is credited to Gary Leach, so I suppose than means he
> did the final translating into Americanese. I noticed on page 2, panel 3
that
> Donald says he worked all day at the margarine factory. Gary Leach should
> know that Duckburg, Calisota, USA has no margarine factory; instead Donald
> often works at the "skunk oil factory", as originated by Barks long ago.

I regarded this reference as simply another entry in the long list of "crazy
job locations" for Donald. Barks also had Donald working at a "vinegar works"
among other places. I don't think that Barks ever really settled upon
a "standard" job location for Donald; he basically went with whatever seemed
funniest and most incongruous. Van Horn has done the same.

Chris Barat

Daniel Van Eijmeren

Barks art at Cels Galerie Hamburg Message 276 - 2003-09-14 at 19:24:31

Larry Giver

Daniel's Washing machine Barks' quote Message 277 - 2003-09-14 at 19:33:41

The "Don't take my washing machine" quote is from
"Billions to sneeze at" C&S 124, January, 1951;
page 4, panels 3 & 4. The woman still owes Scrooge a
nickel on it, and orders Donald to reposess. But Donald
finds a nickel on her lawn, and gives it to her to pay
Scrooge.
My father really enjoyed that segment of that story!

Larry Giver

2 other Duckburg elections Message 278 - 2003-09-14 at 19:44:38

In "Smoke Writer in the Sky", C&S 194, Nov. 1956, Scrooge hires
Donald to advertise his candidacy for an unspecified office. But
Scrooge gets bad publicity, and at the end of the story both Donald and
Scrooge leave the country.
Donald and Gladstone competed for Grand Marshall of the Easter
Parade, probably Barks' best known Easter story. The essentials of
the campaigns were to impress the potential "voters" (kids) by
passing out candy and Easter eggs, and trying to make the
opponent look bad, such as by damaging his candy and eggs.
HDL help Donald make Gladstone look bad to the kids by making
them think he has measles, so Gladstone is quaranteened and
Donald becomes Grand Marshall! But Donald does not enjoy his
victory, as his Grand Marshall duty is to hop around in a bunny suit
passing out more eggs and candy to kids.

Marco Barlotti

Margarine factory Message 279 - 2003-09-14 at 23:49:37

At 23:42:38 -0700 1309/2003 +0200, Larry Giver <lgiver at pacbell.net> wrote:

>I got the new Gemstone US321, which has a DD story, "Willing Little Helpers".
>The dialogue is credited to Gary Leach, so I suppose than means he
>did the final translating into Americanese. I noticed on page 2, panel 3 that
>Donald says he worked all day at the margarine factory. Gary Leach should
>know that Duckburg, Calisota, USA has no margarine factory; instead Donald
>often works at the "skunk oil factory", as originated by Barks long ago.

In the "Egmont tradition", Donald works at a margarine factory. There are
several stories where this is a relevant fact.

Marco

http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics

Marco Barlotti

$crooge's butlers Message 280 - 2003-09-14 at 23:49:43

Just my 2 cents in the discussion on $crooge's butlers, introduced by Rich
Bellacera (hi, Rich!).

The butler introduced by Barks in the "Bear Mountain" story (and in a few
others, if I remember well) was used by Guido Martina in the first Italian
stories, and Giuseppe Perego, in particular, drew him with a vague resemblance.
He was called "Alberto" in those stories, and as such he is indexed in the FSB
http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/DisneyIndex
and should appear also in Inducks. Try I TL 179-B, I TL 204-B, I TL 246-A
etc. etc.. This character was used quite consistently, but never played a
relevant role.

Then, about 5 years later, the very prolific scripter Rodolfo Cimino
introduced a butler, called Battista, and gave him an ever increasing role
in the stories. If you consider the Italian stories in the '60s and '70s,
you will notice that Battista is ALWAYS a character used by Cimino,
although the different artists drew him in largely different ways.
All of this until Giorgio Cavazzano decided to give Battista a definite
look, perhaps noticing the steady and consistent use of the character by
Cimino. Little by little, also the other artists came to draw Battista in
the "Cavazzano look" (a notable exception being Luciano Gatto, who adhered
to this look only very recently, presumably under strong pressures by Disney).

In my vision, Alberto (by Martina-Perego) and Battista (by
Cimino-Cavazzano) are different characters. Alberto was probably fired some
day, and who knows if someone will tell us how and why?

Please note that now Battista is currently being used as a regular
character, living in the money bin with Scrooge, by many scripters, not
only by Cimino.

Meanwhile Cimino has introduced a new character, Camillino, a robot working
for $crooge in the money bin. But, alas, the story introducing him was
rejected by Disney, so we possibly will never know how he came to work for
$crooge... Camillino even appears in I TL 2494-5, in the issue of
"Topolino" currently for sale at the news-stands!

Marco

http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics

Timo Ronkainen

Comic Strip Department?? Message 281 - 2003-09-14 at 23:50:55

Hi all!

How well is history of Disney's studios Comic Strip department documented?
I've seen a map, floor plan of early Hyperion studio on CD-Rom "Walt Disney
- an Intimate History". It was drawn after recollections of old animators.
It has detailed placement of animator's desks etc. during 1929-30. Animators
worked in one big room. Ub Iwerks and Floyd Gottfredson sat their backs
against together. There is also little room, closet even, that has text
"Comic Strip" and name Win Smith. Is this map published in any book?
Does anyone know how CS-dept. developed onwards this period? How long that
department was located in Hyperion building? How large it was in it's
hayday? How many people there were? Are there perhaps photographs taken of?
Since animators and writers worked this closely together it's no wonder at
all how some comic strips and short animations had so much similarities in
ideas and themes.

Timo

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Katie Sullivan

Artists' choice vs. fans' wishes Message 282 - 2003-09-15 at 03:37:30

Don Rosa wrote:
> As regards Barks' choice of subjects for paintings: as someone
> said, all of
> those paintings were done on request. The buyer would say
> generally what
> characters and activities he desired, or exactly what story
> scene or cover
> recreation he was paying Barks to create.

I stand corrected! (Er, actually, I'm sitting, but you get the
idea.) ;)

> If he had *especially* liked Glittering
> Goldie, he would have found a reason to use her more than
> once.

Thanks makes sense, of course. It was wishful thinking on my
part to infer otherwise.

> She appears
> in a number of paintings because those Yukon days (and
> Goldie!) are a favorite with fans.

Can't argue with that! :)

> I draw for
> the fans because
> it pleases me to please them, and I draw what they ask for (as
> long as it's
> not perverse or nuts).

I'm too afraid to ask if anyone's ever asked you to draw
something like that. 0_o Some people are weeeeeeird...

> If they left it up to me, I'd draw them
> ALL pictures
> of Glittering Goldie.

Worked for me!!! :D

> But if they want Daisy (usually "for my
> 3-month old
> daughter") I'll draw Daisy even though I'd rather be slapped
> with a wet
> oolated squigg.

LOL!!!

"Oh, but she has that GIANT pink bow, and it's so CUTE!" *tee
hee, tee hee*

>_< *shudder*
(No offense to Daisy fans, she's just not my favorite
character.)

P.S. My website is still down as far as the domain name goes,
but for right now some of it has been re-uploaded to the
following URL:
http://katiesullivan.web.aplus.net/

Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/

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Katie Sullivan

Donald jobhopping Message 283 - 2003-09-15 at 03:52:49

Chris Barat wrote:

>I regarded this reference as simply another entry in the long
>list of "crazy job locations" for Donald. Barks also had
>Donald working at a "vinegar works"
>among other places. I don't think that Barks ever really
>settled upon a "standard" job location for Donald; he basically
>went with whatever seemed
>funniest and most incongruous. Van Horn has done the same.

Yes, I always had the opinion that Donald bounced back and forth
between many different and bizarre jobs, including many for
Scrooge. (Nepotism, anyone? ;)

Also excuse the off-topic reference, but this reminds me of
Sakura's older brother in the Cardcaptor Sakura manga. Wherever
Sakura and her friends go, to a malt shop or a cafe or some
other place, her brother is working there. The running gag is
funny. ^_^

Katie Sullivan
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Kriton Kyrimis

DCML Digest Issue 29 Message 284 - 2003-09-15 at 09:55:29

DON:

> ...I'd rather be slapped with a wet oolated squigg.

Is there any other kind? :-)

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Sgarciab

Picsou!! Message 285 - 2003-09-15 at 10:24:54

Fabio:

>>I am here on my home, in Buenos Aires. I have on my hands the Picsou
issue from September...
Isn't life wonderful?

Yes, I felt the same the 1st time I read Picsou. Welcome to the World-Wide
Picsou Readers Elite Group!

;-)

Santiago.

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