Don Rosa:
> of stuff rather bothers me as it perhaps bothered Barks. I only want to
> entertain people for a few minutes. I don't want to change their lives
> forever!!! That's a responsibility I'm not up to!
Just got some thoughts about this...
I think that it is a 'responsibility', or rather effect that every person
has to be up to, merely by the fact that we do exist, and act. people get
affected by other people. But you are never _responsible_ for a choice
another person does. Everything he does is entirely his choice, no matter
what, he acts on the circumstances in his life and he is the only one who
can be responsible. When we do things that give effects to others (which
is mostly everything we do, on some level), it's very nice if the effects
are nice. And creating circumstances that lead to people meeting making
friends, (even getting married) and so on can never be wrong. Start
worrying when someone creates an evil cult in your honour that makes
people do bad things to eachother. No, not even then, it's still their
choice, really... But perhaps you then might want to see what in the world
in your work can give that effect...
Still - the greatest work someone can do, is to spread
happiness, knowledge, and inspiration, creating circumstances people
can act on, by own choice, to perhaps do the same. This can be done in
small scale, or somewhat larger, but never feel bad about doing something
that is right. I e what makes you happy...
(blabla...)
cheers!
/T
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OT-thoughts on responsibilities
Message 391 -
2003-09-25 at 14:30:22
Marco Barlotti
Issue 47 inside Issue 48 :-(
Message 392 -
2003-09-25 at 14:41:09
I humbly ask you all to forgive me for quoting (almost) the whole previous
digest in my last e-mail.
I always wondered how one can be so careless. Now I know :-(
Marco
http://www.cce.unifi.it/~comics
digest in my last e-mail.
I always wondered how one can be so careless. Now I know :-(
Marco
http://www.cce.unifi.it/~comics
Mike Rhode
ReL Correspondence and... (OT)
Message 393 -
2003-09-25 at 15:56:43
Thanks for the correction about Barks' heirs, and I
have no idea why I made that mistake in the first
place. Another correction is that Don was looking for
*Panamanian* soldiers' uniforms, not Mexican.
Steve, I would definitely consider you a comics
historian.
Thanks for the response, Don. Your comments about
entertainment were interesting. While I can
understand your feelings about cartoonists changing
people's lives, do you think Barks was purposefully
being a bit disingenous? AFter all, he knew and
worked for Walt Disney, possibly the most important
cartoonist of the 20th century and saw firsthand that
a cartoonist could affect people. Or did he see his
work as subsumed to the Disney machine, and not really
his?
Mike
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have no idea why I made that mistake in the first
place. Another correction is that Don was looking for
*Panamanian* soldiers' uniforms, not Mexican.
Steve, I would definitely consider you a comics
historian.
Thanks for the response, Don. Your comments about
entertainment were interesting. While I can
understand your feelings about cartoonists changing
people's lives, do you think Barks was purposefully
being a bit disingenous? AFter all, he knew and
worked for Walt Disney, possibly the most important
cartoonist of the 20th century and saw firsthand that
a cartoonist could affect people. Or did he see his
work as subsumed to the Disney machine, and not really
his?
Mike
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Availability of Gottfredson story
Message 394 -
2003-09-25 at 16:47:19
Just read The Mighty Whale Hunters story last night (by Gottfredson) and it leads into a story called The Plumber's Helper. Has this story been reprinted in the US anytime? I'm really interested in the continuing saga of Mickey losing his cash in a stock market crash.
rodney
(who has had several articles about radio history published. does this make me a broadcast historian?)
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Correspondence and... (OT)
Message 395 -
2003-09-25 at 16:50:34
Hey Kai!
>> Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
>>
>> I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
Yep. I graduated in history as well and continue to be fascinated by
it...
>My guess is that Carl Barks has inspired many of us in various ways. At
>least for me, his stories got me interested in history. Is the same true
>for the other historians in the group?
Well, I have always loved the work of Barks, but it was Floyd
Gottfredson, my no-holds-barred favorite, whose work interested me most in
history. Thanks to the 1920s and 1930s pop culture I discovered through
Gottfredson's work, there was no question about what field of study I wanted
to train in...
David
>> Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
>>
>> I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
Yep. I graduated in history as well and continue to be fascinated by
it...
>My guess is that Carl Barks has inspired many of us in various ways. At
>least for me, his stories got me interested in history. Is the same true
>for the other historians in the group?
Well, I have always loved the work of Barks, but it was Floyd
Gottfredson, my no-holds-barred favorite, whose work interested me most in
history. Thanks to the 1920s and 1930s pop culture I discovered through
Gottfredson's work, there was no question about what field of study I wanted
to train in...
David
Michiel Prior
W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.
Message 396 -
2003-09-25 at 17:03:29
Hi everyone,
Can somebody please help me out on the 'full title' behind this
acronym? I only got as far as "When Huey and Dewey and Louie..."
Thanks in advance,
Michiel Prior.
Can somebody please help me out on the 'full title' behind this
acronym? I only got as far as "When Huey and Dewey and Louie..."
Thanks in advance,
Michiel Prior.
BFOSTERLA
DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 48
Message 397 -
2003-09-25 at 18:36:13
In a message dated 9/25/2003 3:06:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
From: Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
Subject: Re: Correspondence and...
> My guess is that Carl Barks has inspired many of us in various ways. At
> least for me, his stories got me interested in history. Is the same true for the
> other historians in the group? How about his influence on other people's
> career/studying choices?
Influences are like links in a chain and one's life and career is comprised
of a bunch of links. I read comic books back in the late 40s but didn't meet
Barks until 1965. But his comic book stories that I read back in the 40s surely
had an influence on some part of my brain. I remember reading three comic
books in particular: Batman, Superman and Walt Disney's Comics and Stories. I
always identified with Donald Duck, and those stories have stayed with me all my
life. By the early 50s I was pretty much a funny animal fan, adding Walt
Kelly's Pogo and Kurtzman's Mad to my list of major influences. When I was a little
kid I didn't know that Walt Disney didn't actually draw everything. In
reality, that influence was actually Carl Barks. My early love of Disney comics and
those characters led to a serious pursuit of art as a career, art school
introduced me to new influences and friends, and that led to a career in animation,
which led to an interest in writing, which led to a stint with Marvel's Crazy
Magazine which was noticed by some people at Disney Studios which led to a job
offer as a staff writer and artist at Disney Publications which eventually
led to my position as Editor, Managing Editor and Art Director for Disney Comics
where I edited Walt Disney's Comics and Stories in the post-Gladstone era (if
3 years can be considered an era.) So that earliest influence came full
circle to the point of direct involvement with the thing that started me down that
path back in the 40s. Of course along the way I got to know all the major
players in the Disney comic book business, and still can't get over the fact that
my childhood dreams became a reality and my childhood influences became
colleagues. Mind boggling!
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
From: Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
Subject: Re: Correspondence and...
> My guess is that Carl Barks has inspired many of us in various ways. At
> least for me, his stories got me interested in history. Is the same true for the
> other historians in the group? How about his influence on other people's
> career/studying choices?
Influences are like links in a chain and one's life and career is comprised
of a bunch of links. I read comic books back in the late 40s but didn't meet
Barks until 1965. But his comic book stories that I read back in the 40s surely
had an influence on some part of my brain. I remember reading three comic
books in particular: Batman, Superman and Walt Disney's Comics and Stories. I
always identified with Donald Duck, and those stories have stayed with me all my
life. By the early 50s I was pretty much a funny animal fan, adding Walt
Kelly's Pogo and Kurtzman's Mad to my list of major influences. When I was a little
kid I didn't know that Walt Disney didn't actually draw everything. In
reality, that influence was actually Carl Barks. My early love of Disney comics and
those characters led to a serious pursuit of art as a career, art school
introduced me to new influences and friends, and that led to a career in animation,
which led to an interest in writing, which led to a stint with Marvel's Crazy
Magazine which was noticed by some people at Disney Studios which led to a job
offer as a staff writer and artist at Disney Publications which eventually
led to my position as Editor, Managing Editor and Art Director for Disney Comics
where I edited Walt Disney's Comics and Stories in the post-Gladstone era (if
3 years can be considered an era.) So that earliest influence came full
circle to the point of direct involvement with the thing that started me down that
path back in the 40s. Of course along the way I got to know all the major
players in the Disney comic book business, and still can't get over the fact that
my childhood dreams became a reality and my childhood influences became
colleagues. Mind boggling!
Kai Saarto
Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
Message 398 -
2003-09-25 at 19:53:16
Mike Rhode wrote:
>Kai, thank you for your thoughtful and measured
>response. I'll just respond to a few points to
>clarify my original comments although I think we're
>roughly in agreement.
>
Yes, we are. I too was thinking about the "post-mortem" sharing of the
Barks-Rosa letters. Since I'd like Don to sticks around for another
fifty year or so, I didn't bring the subject up... :-)
>Right. Plenty of correspondence is donated and sealed
>for a set period of time. It's pretty standard. I'm
>sure the UKy archives would be willing to advise Don
>if he was interested in this idea.
>
Yeah, probably.
>I'm also not a big fan of the cult of celebrity that
>the mass media has brought to us, but I think since
>Pepys diaries are usually kept w/ an eye towards
>eventual use.
>
Sure, many diaries are like that. Letters usually aren't. Still, IMO its
perfectly okay and even appropriate to use this kind of material when it
sheds light to some public/political event. I just can't see how the
personal love letters or things like that could be seen as public
domain, if the writers didn't intend it that way.
I think archivists are doing an important job, and I wish I could find
the time roam through one some day. Its great that some people donate
things to archives. I wish Disney had donated all those lost originals
somewhere instead of burning or dumping them (or whatever they did).
Don Rosa wrote:
>When I said I felt "soiled" it was because *all* of my private mail to and
>from Barks, messages that were very special to me, was exposed to *certain
>specific parties* without my knowledge or permission. That was one of the
>worst feelings in my gut I've ever had.
>
Ah, yes. Sorry if it sounded like I distorted what you said. I merely
stole the term "soiled" and used in my own context. Just sounded
appropriate for how I'd feel if everyone could see my old love letters
to mrs. :-)
>(Sorry, Mr. President -- I meant "nucular".)
>
Somehow this reminds me of how you used to write about certain Bill
Stanbury way back. I wonder how CK would have handled Mr. Bush junior.
Theresa Wiegert wrote:
>Still - the greatest work someone can do, is to spread
>happiness, knowledge, and inspiration, creating circumstances people
>can act on, by own choice, to perhaps do the same. This can be done in
>small scale, or somewhat larger, but never feel bad about doing something
>that is right. I e what makes you happy...
>
Once again, you wrote beautifully, Theresa. Everyone is responsible
only for his/her own life (and family).
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.go.to/donrosa
>Kai, thank you for your thoughtful and measured
>response. I'll just respond to a few points to
>clarify my original comments although I think we're
>roughly in agreement.
>
Yes, we are. I too was thinking about the "post-mortem" sharing of the
Barks-Rosa letters. Since I'd like Don to sticks around for another
fifty year or so, I didn't bring the subject up... :-)
>Right. Plenty of correspondence is donated and sealed
>for a set period of time. It's pretty standard. I'm
>sure the UKy archives would be willing to advise Don
>if he was interested in this idea.
>
Yeah, probably.
>I'm also not a big fan of the cult of celebrity that
>the mass media has brought to us, but I think since
>Pepys diaries are usually kept w/ an eye towards
>eventual use.
>
Sure, many diaries are like that. Letters usually aren't. Still, IMO its
perfectly okay and even appropriate to use this kind of material when it
sheds light to some public/political event. I just can't see how the
personal love letters or things like that could be seen as public
domain, if the writers didn't intend it that way.
I think archivists are doing an important job, and I wish I could find
the time roam through one some day. Its great that some people donate
things to archives. I wish Disney had donated all those lost originals
somewhere instead of burning or dumping them (or whatever they did).
Don Rosa wrote:
>When I said I felt "soiled" it was because *all* of my private mail to and
>from Barks, messages that were very special to me, was exposed to *certain
>specific parties* without my knowledge or permission. That was one of the
>worst feelings in my gut I've ever had.
>
Ah, yes. Sorry if it sounded like I distorted what you said. I merely
stole the term "soiled" and used in my own context. Just sounded
appropriate for how I'd feel if everyone could see my old love letters
to mrs. :-)
>(Sorry, Mr. President -- I meant "nucular".)
>
Somehow this reminds me of how you used to write about certain Bill
Stanbury way back. I wonder how CK would have handled Mr. Bush junior.
Theresa Wiegert wrote:
>Still - the greatest work someone can do, is to spread
>happiness, knowledge, and inspiration, creating circumstances people
>can act on, by own choice, to perhaps do the same. This can be done in
>small scale, or somewhat larger, but never feel bad about doing something
>that is right. I e what makes you happy...
>
Once again, you wrote beautifully, Theresa. Everyone is responsible
only for his/her own life (and family).
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.go.to/donrosa
Fernando Ventura
Oscar Martin!
Message 399 -
2003-09-25 at 20:50:21
Hi! :-)
I'd like to get in touch with the (Spanish, I presume) Disney and Tom &
Jerry's artist Oscar Martin! Someone has his snail-mail or e-mail?
Fernando!
I'd like to get in touch with the (Spanish, I presume) Disney and Tom &
Jerry's artist Oscar Martin! Someone has his snail-mail or e-mail?
Fernando!
ZeldasTriforce
Some Technical Comments On US 322
Message 400 -
2003-09-26 at 12:24:49
I'm not sure if technical is the right word, but I'm not commenting on the
content of the stories themselves so I guess it'll do.
One thing I've wondered is that on the 'In This Issue' page for the US and
WDC comics you seemingly never see when a particularly story was originally
published, what comic book/issue it was in. Unless it's a Carl Barks story. It's
not a big deal or anything, but it seems like that would be a good thing to do,
especially since I'm sure a lot of Disney comics fans don't necessarily know
about Inducks. Plus it seems kind of 'unfair' for Carl Barks stories to have
that info, but not all the other stories as well.
One other thing about US 322 that was kind of funny and threw me off as I was
looking through the book. Apparently the order of the stories listed on the
"In This Issue" page was different from the actual layout of the book.
As shown on "In This Issue" page:
1. "The Utter Limits"
2. "Dime and Dime Again Part 2"
3. "Everything Green"
4. "They Always Come Home"
5. "One Million Chase"
6. "Wispy Willie"
7. "Paper Chase"
As I'm typing this I realize the book wasn't as out of order as I thought.
Just that "Paper Chase" is the fourth story in the book instead of "They Always
Come Home". Stories 4 through 6 come in order after "Paper Chase".
I'll talk about the stories in a later post, but they were all pretty good to
me. Only bad thing for me, the two Barks stories in this month's US and WDC
are ones I already have in The Carl Barks Library Volume 8. I had been lucky so
far before in that there was only one Barks story that was printed that I had
read before.
Derek Smith
content of the stories themselves so I guess it'll do.
One thing I've wondered is that on the 'In This Issue' page for the US and
WDC comics you seemingly never see when a particularly story was originally
published, what comic book/issue it was in. Unless it's a Carl Barks story. It's
not a big deal or anything, but it seems like that would be a good thing to do,
especially since I'm sure a lot of Disney comics fans don't necessarily know
about Inducks. Plus it seems kind of 'unfair' for Carl Barks stories to have
that info, but not all the other stories as well.
One other thing about US 322 that was kind of funny and threw me off as I was
looking through the book. Apparently the order of the stories listed on the
"In This Issue" page was different from the actual layout of the book.
As shown on "In This Issue" page:
1. "The Utter Limits"
2. "Dime and Dime Again Part 2"
3. "Everything Green"
4. "They Always Come Home"
5. "One Million Chase"
6. "Wispy Willie"
7. "Paper Chase"
As I'm typing this I realize the book wasn't as out of order as I thought.
Just that "Paper Chase" is the fourth story in the book instead of "They Always
Come Home". Stories 4 through 6 come in order after "Paper Chase".
I'll talk about the stories in a later post, but they were all pretty good to
me. Only bad thing for me, the two Barks stories in this month's US and WDC
are ones I already have in The Carl Barks Library Volume 8. I had been lucky so
far before in that there was only one Barks story that was printed that I had
read before.
Derek Smith
Mads Jensen
US 322
Message 401 -
2003-09-26 at 16:04:13
Hi
I read the post about US 322, so I guess it's now ?!
If then, why is it only WDC 637 that has its cover shown on
www.gemstonepub.com ?
Could anyone do a scan of US 322 please ?
best,
Mads
--
Mads Jensen
http://www.ddfr.dk Dansk Donaldist-Forening
I read the post about US 322, so I guess it's now ?!
If then, why is it only WDC 637 that has its cover shown on
www.gemstonepub.com ?
Could anyone do a scan of US 322 please ?
best,
Mads
--
Mads Jensen
http://www.ddfr.dk Dansk Donaldist-Forening
Anthony Vuono
Gemstone Website
Message 402 -
2003-09-26 at 19:53:21
How come the Gemstone Disney comics website hasn't been updated in a while?
No new covers have been posted of upcoming comic books since the site
premiered.
No new covers have been posted of upcoming comic books since the site
premiered.
Matthew Williams
Magica / Glomgold / pig villain--EVIL?
Message 403 -
2003-09-26 at 21:25:22
This is my first post, so I hope that I do it correctly!
I would say that Flintheart Glomgold is NOT evil! I base this on his second appearance in "The Money Champ." Unfortunately, I don't have the comic in front of me, but I vividly remember him dealing with guilt in the comic. Doesn't he even say something about how he's glad that his mother can't see him now? I don't think someone can be 100% evil unless they are completely remorseless. I?m not sure how to reconcile this with his actions in ?So Far and No Safari.? I guess I like to imagine him still fiercely struggling with the tattered shreds of his morality between the panels!
I think the pig character certainly SEEMS evil, but I think the real issue is that he?s just a poorly developed character. He lacks Glomgold?s depth. Is there anything that can be said for the character beyond he?s boundlessly selfish, ruthless, and completely only interested in his own advancement?
Magica is more interesting! I?m not sure where she fits. I?m tempted to lean towards ?amoral.? What do the rest of you think?
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I would say that Flintheart Glomgold is NOT evil! I base this on his second appearance in "The Money Champ." Unfortunately, I don't have the comic in front of me, but I vividly remember him dealing with guilt in the comic. Doesn't he even say something about how he's glad that his mother can't see him now? I don't think someone can be 100% evil unless they are completely remorseless. I?m not sure how to reconcile this with his actions in ?So Far and No Safari.? I guess I like to imagine him still fiercely struggling with the tattered shreds of his morality between the panels!
I think the pig character certainly SEEMS evil, but I think the real issue is that he?s just a poorly developed character. He lacks Glomgold?s depth. Is there anything that can be said for the character beyond he?s boundlessly selfish, ruthless, and completely only interested in his own advancement?
Magica is more interesting! I?m not sure where she fits. I?m tempted to lean towards ?amoral.? What do the rest of you think?
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Glomgold, Magica, Pig Villain--EVIL?
Message 404 -
2003-09-26 at 21:36:06
I think I messed this up the first time I sent it, so let me try again!
I would say that Flintheart Glomgold is NOT evil! I base this on his second appearance in "The Money Champ." Unfortunately, I don't have the comic in front of me, but I vividly remember him dealing with guilt in the comic. Doesn't he even say something about how he's glad that his mother can't see him now? I don't think someone can be 100% evil unless they are completely remorseless. I?m not sure how to reconcile this with his actions in ?So Far and No Safari.? I guess I like to imagine him still fiercely struggling with the tattered shreds of his morality between the panels!
I think the pig character certainly SEEMS evil, but I think the real issue is that he?s just a poorly developed character. He lacks Glomgold?s depth. Is there anything that can be said for the character beyond he?s boundlessly selfish, ruthless, and completely only interested in his own advancement?
Magica is more interesting! I?m not sure where she fits. I?m tempted to lean towards ?amoral.? What do the rest of you think?
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I would say that Flintheart Glomgold is NOT evil! I base this on his second appearance in "The Money Champ." Unfortunately, I don't have the comic in front of me, but I vividly remember him dealing with guilt in the comic. Doesn't he even say something about how he's glad that his mother can't see him now? I don't think someone can be 100% evil unless they are completely remorseless. I?m not sure how to reconcile this with his actions in ?So Far and No Safari.? I guess I like to imagine him still fiercely struggling with the tattered shreds of his morality between the panels!
I think the pig character certainly SEEMS evil, but I think the real issue is that he?s just a poorly developed character. He lacks Glomgold?s depth. Is there anything that can be said for the character beyond he?s boundlessly selfish, ruthless, and completely only interested in his own advancement?
Magica is more interesting! I?m not sure where she fits. I?m tempted to lean towards ?amoral.? What do the rest of you think?
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DuckTales: Love It or Hate It?
Message 405 -
2003-09-26 at 22:10:29
As a new member of the group, I just wanted to hear what all of you thought about DuckTales. I know that many Barks purists have a deep and abiding hatred of the show, but I still have quite a soft spot for the series. I recognize that Barks?s original comics are superior (duh), but I believe the show (at its best) still has merit. I know I would have never bought my first Disney comic book if I hadn?t become fascinated with Scrooge from watching the series. The show introduced the world of the Ducks to me, and I would have never discovered Barks without it.
Furthermore, I think Launchpad is an incredible creation. He?s a funny, original character. He?s not just a moron or a buffoon, and he?s not just a one-dimensional hero character either. Incidentally, I was curious if Launchpad ever appeared in comics outside of the United States. I know William Van Horn did some interesting things with the character post-DuckTales, but have any writers or artists used him outside of the DuckTales and Darkwing Duck stories created in the late eighties and early nineties?
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Furthermore, I think Launchpad is an incredible creation. He?s a funny, original character. He?s not just a moron or a buffoon, and he?s not just a one-dimensional hero character either. Incidentally, I was curious if Launchpad ever appeared in comics outside of the United States. I know William Van Horn did some interesting things with the character post-DuckTales, but have any writers or artists used him outside of the DuckTales and Darkwing Duck stories created in the late eighties and early nineties?
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