At 11:23 PM 9/23/2003 +0200, Olivier wrote:
> >>> Does anyone remember the name of this adventure?
>
>Yes.
>
Wak!
>Kidding :D
>
>It seems to be Marco Rota's "Zio Paperone e il deposito oceanico" (IT 215 A)
>/ "The Money Ocean" (U$ 266 & U$ 267)
>Type the story code in the code field on
>http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/simp.php and it will tell you all about the
>magazines it was published in.
Olivier, thanks very much for the help. I read this story way back when,
and I've been trying to track it down for a while now.
- M
Author
Topic: 200309
(480 messages)
Mas
The Money Ocean
Message 376 -
2003-09-24 at 19:31:53
Arie Fachrisal
DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 46
Message 377 -
2003-09-24 at 20:17:36
> > From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> > it would certainly have been much more
> > impressive if it had been a full size copy.
Or maybe it's alerady at full copy size? But to the size of the ducklings,
not us humans. Sez who the ducks have to be in our size :-D
After all it's DUCKburg, not Humanburg ;-)
Keep On De-lurking,
Arie Fachrisal
> > it would certainly have been much more
> > impressive if it had been a full size copy.
Or maybe it's alerady at full copy size? But to the size of the ducklings,
not us humans. Sez who the ducks have to be in our size :-D
After all it's DUCKburg, not Humanburg ;-)
Keep On De-lurking,
Arie Fachrisal
Arie Fachrisal
Santa Claus "variant" ??
Message 378 -
2003-09-24 at 20:24:47
Hi,
I've read several Disney Italian pocket stories and in some of the one-page
strips, a character similar to Santa Claus can be found. The character is an
old lady (flying with a broom?) and carry a sack full of gifts(?) just like
Santa Claus.
Is this an extra imaginary character created out of nowhere or actually a
character made from references of other character from other
myths/beliefs/stories/cultural icons?
Thanks in advance for the answers.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal
Barks Quiz:
"Ho Maid Moonshine. Wherefore arts thou artst?"
I've read several Disney Italian pocket stories and in some of the one-page
strips, a character similar to Santa Claus can be found. The character is an
old lady (flying with a broom?) and carry a sack full of gifts(?) just like
Santa Claus.
Is this an extra imaginary character created out of nowhere or actually a
character made from references of other character from other
myths/beliefs/stories/cultural icons?
Thanks in advance for the answers.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal
Barks Quiz:
"Ho Maid Moonshine. Wherefore arts thou artst?"
Katie Sullivan
The statue
Message 379 -
2003-09-24 at 21:08:58
I saw that Cornelius Coot statue when I was in Disney World in
October of 1989, so it's been there at least that long. I have
a picture of my nine-year-old self standing by it. I was so
thrilled to see it! :-D
I was also probably one of the few Americans who saw the
employee in the Scrooge costume and wasn't surprised to see him
in a red coat instead of the DuckTales blue. I bought a
DuckTales T-shirt while I was there, though, which I wore until
I outgrew it. *sigh* ;)
I also bought a plush toy of one of the nephews, but since it
was dressed in a rather odd magenta color that didn't match the
classic red, blue and green, I named it Phooey in honor of the
long-lost fourth nephew. LOL! Ah, the memories...
The only other time I went to Disney World was in January of
1996, but I didn't get to the Magic Kingdom that time...just MGM
and Epcot. :(
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/ (should be back up either today or tomorrow)
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October of 1989, so it's been there at least that long. I have
a picture of my nine-year-old self standing by it. I was so
thrilled to see it! :-D
I was also probably one of the few Americans who saw the
employee in the Scrooge costume and wasn't surprised to see him
in a red coat instead of the DuckTales blue. I bought a
DuckTales T-shirt while I was there, though, which I wore until
I outgrew it. *sigh* ;)
I also bought a plush toy of one of the nephews, but since it
was dressed in a rather odd magenta color that didn't match the
classic red, blue and green, I named it Phooey in honor of the
long-lost fourth nephew. LOL! Ah, the memories...
The only other time I went to Disney World was in January of
1996, but I didn't get to the Magic Kingdom that time...just MGM
and Epcot. :(
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/ (should be back up either today or tomorrow)
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Kai Saarto
Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
Message 380 -
2003-09-24 at 21:13:44
Mike Rhode wrote:
>Don said:
>
>
>"There are many more letters from Barks to Rosa and
>Rosa to Barks during
>1975-1998 and I have copies of them all, but if I can
>help it, no one will
>ever see them. "
>
>Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to
>disagree with you on this one. You could deposit the
>correspondence with an archives such as OSU or MSU or
>even the Library of Congress w/ restrictions as to its
>use. The UKY article quoted you as saying that Barks
>was the greatest storyteller of the 20th century - is
>it fair to deprive future generations of the
>possibility of new insights into Barks' work?
>
As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments. Still, private
correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't want my personal
e-mails all over the internet. When writing to someone in private I at
least write just to that person and tell him/her things that are meant
*just* for him/her. I think what Don said about being "feeling soiled"
is good description of how I too would feel if my personal letters were
exposed to anyone who'd like to read them.
Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the said correspondence
between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. Those that are not
overly personal.
Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the same thing), this
just reminded me of one of my pet peeves:
Why do some people assume they have the right to know everything about
every celebrity in the planet? I don't think personal diaries/letters of
people like JFK, Marilyn Monroe or princess Di belong to anyone else but
them. Its just plain wrong that someone *whole* life becomes public
domain if he/she becames a public figure.
Then again, I've always hated those celebrity gossip magazines.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.go.to/donrosa
>Don said:
>
>
>"There are many more letters from Barks to Rosa and
>Rosa to Barks during
>1975-1998 and I have copies of them all, but if I can
>help it, no one will
>ever see them. "
>
>Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to
>disagree with you on this one. You could deposit the
>correspondence with an archives such as OSU or MSU or
>even the Library of Congress w/ restrictions as to its
>use. The UKY article quoted you as saying that Barks
>was the greatest storyteller of the 20th century - is
>it fair to deprive future generations of the
>possibility of new insights into Barks' work?
>
As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments. Still, private
correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't want my personal
e-mails all over the internet. When writing to someone in private I at
least write just to that person and tell him/her things that are meant
*just* for him/her. I think what Don said about being "feeling soiled"
is good description of how I too would feel if my personal letters were
exposed to anyone who'd like to read them.
Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the said correspondence
between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. Those that are not
overly personal.
Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the same thing), this
just reminded me of one of my pet peeves:
Why do some people assume they have the right to know everything about
every celebrity in the planet? I don't think personal diaries/letters of
people like JFK, Marilyn Monroe or princess Di belong to anyone else but
them. Its just plain wrong that someone *whole* life becomes public
domain if he/she becames a public figure.
Then again, I've always hated those celebrity gossip magazines.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.go.to/donrosa
Mike Rhode
Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
Message 381 -
2003-09-24 at 21:41:55
Kai, thank you for your thoughtful and measured
response. I'll just respond to a few points to
clarify my original comments although I think we're
roughly in agreement.
--- Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi> wrote:
>
> As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike´s
> comments. Still, private
> correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't
> want my personal
> e-mails all over the internet.
Yes, but when you're dead, presumably you won't care.
:^) I'm not suggesting Don turn them over to someone
for research or publishing now. Just consider it for
the future.
As much as I respect what Barks made with his life,
it's interesting to read in Don Ault's book how much
he had to struggle to get to that point. His
reflections to people, not in published interviews
but his private musings, would increase our
understanding of the man especially in the early years
before (as in Liberty Vallance) the legend became
bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead
nopw(is that correct btw?), and can't be hurt by
anything now.
>
> Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the
> said correspondence
> between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*.
> Those that are not
> overly personal.
Right. Plenty of correspondence is donated and sealed
for a set period of time. It's pretty standard. I'm
sure the UKy archives would be willing to advise Don
if he was interested in this idea.
>
> Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the
> same thing), this
> just reminded me of one of my pet peeves:
>
> Why do some people assume they have the right to
> know everything about
> every celebrity in the planet?
I'm also not a big fan of the cult of celebrity that
the mass media has brought to us, but I think since
Pepys diaries are usually kept w/ an eye towards
eventual use. Overall, I think that someone like say
Robert Caro on LBJ can add to our understanding of a
complex person through the paper record. The recent
Truman diary 'discovery' by the National Archives was
interesting - Truman apparently had a healthy dose of
the unsurprising for the time anti-Jewish racism, but
still supported the establishment of Israel -- a minor
historial point perhaps, but an interesting one.
Sorry for wandering off topic, but I feel very
strongly that Barks is important enough that his
correspondence should be preserved, just as LBJ or
Churchill or Hemingway (partially in the Boston
Kennedy library and partially in Cuba) deserved.
I'm writing this unofficially, but anyone interested
in seeing the type of material that I am responsible
for (a small collection of its type) can go to
http://www.nmhm.washingtondc.museum/collections/guide/gotis/gotis.html
Mike
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response. I'll just respond to a few points to
clarify my original comments although I think we're
roughly in agreement.
--- Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi> wrote:
>
> As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike´s
> comments. Still, private
> correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't
> want my personal
> e-mails all over the internet.
Yes, but when you're dead, presumably you won't care.
:^) I'm not suggesting Don turn them over to someone
for research or publishing now. Just consider it for
the future.
As much as I respect what Barks made with his life,
it's interesting to read in Don Ault's book how much
he had to struggle to get to that point. His
reflections to people, not in published interviews
but his private musings, would increase our
understanding of the man especially in the early years
before (as in Liberty Vallance) the legend became
bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead
nopw(is that correct btw?), and can't be hurt by
anything now.
>
> Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the
> said correspondence
> between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*.
> Those that are not
> overly personal.
Right. Plenty of correspondence is donated and sealed
for a set period of time. It's pretty standard. I'm
sure the UKy archives would be willing to advise Don
if he was interested in this idea.
>
> Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the
> same thing), this
> just reminded me of one of my pet peeves:
>
> Why do some people assume they have the right to
> know everything about
> every celebrity in the planet?
I'm also not a big fan of the cult of celebrity that
the mass media has brought to us, but I think since
Pepys diaries are usually kept w/ an eye towards
eventual use. Overall, I think that someone like say
Robert Caro on LBJ can add to our understanding of a
complex person through the paper record. The recent
Truman diary 'discovery' by the National Archives was
interesting - Truman apparently had a healthy dose of
the unsurprising for the time anti-Jewish racism, but
still supported the establishment of Israel -- a minor
historial point perhaps, but an interesting one.
Sorry for wandering off topic, but I feel very
strongly that Barks is important enough that his
correspondence should be preserved, just as LBJ or
Churchill or Hemingway (partially in the Boston
Kennedy library and partially in Cuba) deserved.
I'm writing this unofficially, but anyone interested
in seeing the type of material that I am responsible
for (a small collection of its type) can go to
http://www.nmhm.washingtondc.museum/collections/guide/gotis/gotis.html
Mike
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Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
Message 382 -
2003-09-24 at 22:38:07
In a message dated 9/24/2003 2:41:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mgrhode at yahoo.com writes:
> the legend became
> bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead
> nopw(is that correct btw?),
Believe his children are still alive ----
certainly his grandchildren
Steven Rowe
SRoweCanoe at aol.com
> the legend became
> bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead
> nopw(is that correct btw?),
Believe his children are still alive ----
certainly his grandchildren
Steven Rowe
SRoweCanoe at aol.com
Olaf Solstrand
Correspondence and... (OT)
Message 383 -
2003-09-25 at 00:40:17
Mike wrote:
> Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to...
Kai wrote:
> As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments...
Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
Olaf
> Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to...
Kai wrote:
> As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments...
Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
Olaf
SRoweCanoe
Correspondence and... (OT)
Message 384 -
2003-09-25 at 01:18:55
In a message dated 9/24/2003 6:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
olaf at andebyonline.com writes:
Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
I have been paid money for historical articles about comics
am i by defination a comics historian?
steven rowe
olaf at andebyonline.com writes:
Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
I have been paid money for historical articles about comics
am i by defination a comics historian?
steven rowe
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
The Cornelius Coot Statue
Message 385 -
2003-09-25 at 04:17:47
Don Rosa <donrosa at iglou.com> wrote:
>> Statue? Compared to the original statue used
>> in Don Rosa's stories this is just a little
>> miniature...
>
> Um... I always thought the original statue was
> used in stories by that other guy.
Oh, sorry for causing this misunderstanding. Barks actually showed many
Cornelius Coot statues of various size, so in order to be more precise I
pointed out only the single one of those, that you are using in your
story...
> It would certainly have been much more
> impressive if it had been a full size copy.
>
> When you're right, you're right. It would have
> been much more impressive if they had built it
> in its full fifty story size. This only proves
> it's yet another example of their lack of
> respect!
No, I wouldn't say that as long as Barks also showed small statues at about
the same size as the Disney-one.
Sigvald
>> Statue? Compared to the original statue used
>> in Don Rosa's stories this is just a little
>> miniature...
>
> Um... I always thought the original statue was
> used in stories by that other guy.
Oh, sorry for causing this misunderstanding. Barks actually showed many
Cornelius Coot statues of various size, so in order to be more precise I
pointed out only the single one of those, that you are using in your
story...
> It would certainly have been much more
> impressive if it had been a full size copy.
>
> When you're right, you're right. It would have
> been much more impressive if they had built it
> in its full fifty story size. This only proves
> it's yet another example of their lack of
> respect!
No, I wouldn't say that as long as Barks also showed small statues at about
the same size as the Disney-one.
Sigvald
Kai Saarto
Correspondence and... (OT)
Message 386 -
2003-09-25 at 07:56:48
SRoweCanoe at aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/24/2003 6:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> olaf at andebyonline.com writes:
>
> Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
>
> I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
>
My guess is that Carl Barks has inspired many of us in various ways. At
least for me, his stories got me interested in history. Is the same true
for the other historians in the group? How about his influence on other
people's career/studying choiced?
> I have been paid money for historical articles about comics
> am i by defination a comics historian?
Since there aren't that many trained historians doing history of comics,
I'd count you in. Many of the best writers of the history the comics
aren't trained historians. For example, my great idol, Donald Ault, is s
professor of English, but I'd would count his work historical as well.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.go.to/donrosa
> In a message dated 9/24/2003 6:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> olaf at andebyonline.com writes:
>
> Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
>
> I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
>
My guess is that Carl Barks has inspired many of us in various ways. At
least for me, his stories got me interested in history. Is the same true
for the other historians in the group? How about his influence on other
people's career/studying choiced?
> I have been paid money for historical articles about comics
> am i by defination a comics historian?
Since there aren't that many trained historians doing history of comics,
I'd count you in. Many of the best writers of the history the comics
aren't trained historians. For example, my great idol, Donald Ault, is s
professor of English, but I'd would count his work historical as well.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.go.to/donrosa
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 47
Message 387 -
2003-09-25 at 08:54:11
> From: Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
> Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
> I think what Don said about being "feeling soiled"
> is good description of how I too would feel if my personal letters were
> exposed to anyone who'd like to read them.
Oh, NO! That's not what I meant in that specific reference. I might feel ...
"uncomfortable" if people were reading private messages that someone else
had sent me, especially without first getting the permission from both me
and the writer, which I can only assume Blum did from Barks. But I wouldn't
feel "soiled" by people reading my mails as published in something like that
Disney album... after all, the readers would be *comics fans*, people who
are more important than editors, writers or artists.
When I said I felt "soiled" it was because *all* of my private mail to and
from Barks, messages that were very special to me, was exposed to *certain
specific parties* without my knowledge or permission. That was one of the
worst feelings in my gut I've ever had.
> Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the said correspondence
> between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. Those that are not
> overly personal.
None of my correspondence with Barks was very personal. I don't think he
understood really ardent fans like me, and I think we made him somewhat
uneasy. And in subsequent years I finally had an object-lesson in that very
feeling, which I never in my wildest dreams imagined would happen as it did.
I am very happy to hear from fans who like my stories, naturally... but then
I also hear from people who went on to study a particular subject in college
and into a particular career, or even people who met and *got married* due
to correspondence about my work or meeting at a function where they went to
see me (I've heard of at least three such instances, who knows how many
others there are?!), or that I've caused some other profound change in some
reader's life. (The power of Barks' characters is INCREDIBLE.) And this sort
of stuff rather bothers me as it perhaps bothered Barks. I only want to
entertain people for a few minutes. I don't want to change their lives
forever!!! That's a responsibility I'm not up to!
> From: Mike Rhode <mgrhode at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
> Barks and all his heirs are dead
> now, and can't be hurt by
> anything now.
Omigosh! Was there some sorta nuclear attack on the west coast?! I saw
nothing on CNN!
(Sorry, Mr. President -- I meant "nucular".)
> Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
> I think what Don said about being "feeling soiled"
> is good description of how I too would feel if my personal letters were
> exposed to anyone who'd like to read them.
Oh, NO! That's not what I meant in that specific reference. I might feel ...
"uncomfortable" if people were reading private messages that someone else
had sent me, especially without first getting the permission from both me
and the writer, which I can only assume Blum did from Barks. But I wouldn't
feel "soiled" by people reading my mails as published in something like that
Disney album... after all, the readers would be *comics fans*, people who
are more important than editors, writers or artists.
When I said I felt "soiled" it was because *all* of my private mail to and
from Barks, messages that were very special to me, was exposed to *certain
specific parties* without my knowledge or permission. That was one of the
worst feelings in my gut I've ever had.
> Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the said correspondence
> between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. Those that are not
> overly personal.
None of my correspondence with Barks was very personal. I don't think he
understood really ardent fans like me, and I think we made him somewhat
uneasy. And in subsequent years I finally had an object-lesson in that very
feeling, which I never in my wildest dreams imagined would happen as it did.
I am very happy to hear from fans who like my stories, naturally... but then
I also hear from people who went on to study a particular subject in college
and into a particular career, or even people who met and *got married* due
to correspondence about my work or meeting at a function where they went to
see me (I've heard of at least three such instances, who knows how many
others there are?!), or that I've caused some other profound change in some
reader's life. (The power of Barks' characters is INCREDIBLE.) And this sort
of stuff rather bothers me as it perhaps bothered Barks. I only want to
entertain people for a few minutes. I don't want to change their lives
forever!!! That's a responsibility I'm not up to!
> From: Mike Rhode <mgrhode at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
> Barks and all his heirs are dead
> now, and can't be hurt by
> anything now.
Omigosh! Was there some sorta nuclear attack on the west coast?! I saw
nothing on CNN!
(Sorry, Mr. President -- I meant "nucular".)
Marco Barlotti
That strange old lady bringing toys on a broomstick
Message 388 -
2003-09-25 at 10:48:44
At 00:24:47 25/09/2003 +0700, Arie Fachrisal <cien2 at cbn.net.id> wrote:
>I've read several Disney Italian pocket stories and in some of the one-page
>strips, a character similar to Santa Claus can be found. The character is an
>old lady (flying with a broom?) and carry a sack full of gifts(?) just like
>Santa Claus.
>
>Is this an extra imaginary character created out of nowhere or actually a
>character made from references of other character from other
>myths/beliefs/stories/cultural icons?
You will be surprised to find out that the reference is to a Christian
(maybe better: Christian Catholic) cultural icon. But it is a 100% Italian
reference.
In the Italian tradition, it was this old lady who would bring toys to
children, just like the three kings brought gifts to the newly-born Jesus.
The festivity which celebrates the gifts to Jesus being also the occasion
to point out that Jesus came to save not only his people (the Jews) but
everybody in the world, it is called "Epiphany" which means "showing out".
A corruption of the word "Epiphany" was "Befany" and thereafter "Befana"
which is the Italian traditional name for that old lady.
Maybe still 70 years ago, parents would give their gifts to children not on
Christmas but on Epiphany (which is shortly after, on January 6th). They
would pretend that it was this old lady who brought them. Ah, and I almost
forgot: the Befana puts her toys in STOCKINGS which hang down at the
fireplace. Does that remind you of anything? And if you had been a bad boy,
she would leave a piece of coal in your stocking instead of toys.
To go back to Disney comics, I'll point out that in the early '50s of the
previous century a few references in Disney comics to Santa Claus putting
toys in the stockings were changed in the Italyian "Topolino" to this
woman, Befana. Although the shadow you could see was that of a bearded man
in a furry coat...
When I was a little boy, I had my toys for Christmas, and it was Santa
Claus who brought them. But I still had a visit from the Befana on January
6th, filling my stocking with chocolate and candies. She now is only in
charge of sweets and candies, not toys; but even in this millennium she
still visits a lot of homes on January 6th!
>Thanks in advance for the answers.
>
>Keep On Quacking,
>Arie Fachrisal
>
>Barks Quiz:
>"Ho Maid Moonshine. Wherefore arts thou artst?"
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:08:58 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
>Subject: the statue
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <20030924180858.42607.qmail at web41503.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>I saw that Cornelius Coot statue when I was in Disney World in
>October of 1989, so it's been there at least that long. I have
>a picture of my nine-year-old self standing by it. I was so
>thrilled to see it! :-D
>I was also probably one of the few Americans who saw the
>employee in the Scrooge costume and wasn't surprised to see him
>in a red coat instead of the DuckTales blue. I bought a
>DuckTales T-shirt while I was there, though, which I wore until
>I outgrew it. *sigh* ;)
>I also bought a plush toy of one of the nephews, but since it
>was dressed in a rather odd magenta color that didn't match the
>classic red, blue and green, I named it Phooey in honor of the
>long-lost fourth nephew. LOL! Ah, the memories...
>
>The only other time I went to Disney World was in January of
>1996, but I didn't get to the Magic Kingdom that time...just MGM
>and Epcot. :(
>
>
>Katie Sullivan
>http://www.sullivanet.com/ (should be back up either today or tomorrow)
>
>__________________________________
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:13:44 +0300
>From: Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
>Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
>To: Mike Rhode <mgrhode at yahoo.com>
>Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <3F71DED8.3070303 at mbnet.fi>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Mike Rhode wrote:
>
> >Don said:
> >
> >
> >"There are many more letters from Barks to Rosa and
> >Rosa to Barks during
> >1975-1998 and I have copies of them all, but if I can
> >help it, no one will
> >ever see them. "
> >
> >Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to
> >disagree with you on this one. You could deposit the
> >correspondence with an archives such as OSU or MSU or
> >even the Library of Congress w/ restrictions as to its
> >use. The UKY article quoted you as saying that Barks
> >was the greatest storyteller of the 20th century - is
> >it fair to deprive future generations of the
> >possibility of new insights into Barks' work?
> >
>As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments. Still, private
>correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't want my personal
>e-mails all over the internet. When writing to someone in private I at
>least write just to that person and tell him/her things that are meant
>*just* for him/her. I think what Don said about being "feeling soiled"
>is good description of how I too would feel if my personal letters were
>exposed to anyone who'd like to read them.
>
>Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the said correspondence
>between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. Those that are not
>overly personal.
>
>Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the same thing), this
>just reminded me of one of my pet peeves:
>
>Why do some people assume they have the right to know everything about
>every celebrity in the planet? I don't think personal diaries/letters of
>people like JFK, Marilyn Monroe or princess Di belong to anyone else but
>them. Its just plain wrong that someone *whole* life becomes public
>domain if he/she becames a public figure.
>
>Then again, I've always hated those celebrity gossip magazines.
>
>--
>- Kai Saarto
>http://www.go.to/donrosa
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:41:55 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Mike Rhode <mgrhode at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
>To: Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
>Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <20030924184155.37933.qmail at web21411.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Kai, thank you for your thoughtful and measured
>response. I'll just respond to a few points to
>clarify my original comments although I think we're
>roughly in agreement.
>
>--- Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi> wrote:
> >
> > As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s
> > comments. Still, private
> > correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't
> > want my personal
> > e-mails all over the internet.
>
>Yes, but when you're dead, presumably you won't care.
>:^) I'm not suggesting Don turn them over to someone
>for research or publishing now. Just consider it for
>the future.
>
>As much as I respect what Barks made with his life,
>it's interesting to read in Don Ault's book how much
>he had to struggle to get to that point. His
>reflections to people, not in published interviews
>but his private musings, would increase our
>understanding of the man especially in the early years
>before (as in Liberty Vallance) the legend became
>bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead
>nopw(is that correct btw?), and can't be hurt by
>anything now.
>
> >
> > Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the
> > said correspondence
> > between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*.
> > Those that are not
> > overly personal.
>
>Right. Plenty of correspondence is donated and sealed
>for a set period of time. It's pretty standard. I'm
>sure the UKy archives would be willing to advise Don
>if he was interested in this idea.
>
> >
> > Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the
> > same thing), this
> > just reminded me of one of my pet peeves:
> >
> > Why do some people assume they have the right to
> > know everything about
> > every celebrity in the planet?
>
>I'm also not a big fan of the cult of celebrity that
>the mass media has brought to us, but I think since
>Pepys diaries are usually kept w/ an eye towards
>eventual use. Overall, I think that someone like say
>Robert Caro on LBJ can add to our understanding of a
>complex person through the paper record. The recent
>Truman diary 'discovery' by the National Archives was
>interesting - Truman apparently had a healthy dose of
>the unsurprising for the time anti-Jewish racism, but
>still supported the establishment of Israel -- a minor
>historial point perhaps, but an interesting one.
>
>Sorry for wandering off topic, but I feel very
>strongly that Barks is important enough that his
>correspondence should be preserved, just as LBJ or
>Churchill or Hemingway (partially in the Boston
>Kennedy library and partially in Cuba) deserved.
>
>I'm writing this unofficially, but anyone interested
>in seeing the type of material that I am responsible
>for (a small collection of its type) can go to
>http://www.nmhm.washingtondc.museum/collections/guide/gotis/gotis.html
>
>Mike
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:38:07 -0400
>From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com
>Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <0DE74547.0068265C.0C38BCAA at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>In a message dated 9/24/2003 2:41:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>mgrhode at yahoo.com writes:
>
> > the legend became
> > bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead
> > nopw(is that correct btw?),
>
>
>Believe his children are still alive ----
> certainly his grandchildren
>Steven Rowe
>SRoweCanoe at aol.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:40:17 +0200
>From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
>Subject: Re: Correspondence and... (OT)
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <1064439617.3f720f415c45b at imp.webhuset.no>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Mike wrote:
> > Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to...
>
>Kai wrote:
> > As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments...
>
>
>
>Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
>
>I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
>
>
>
>Olaf
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:18:55 EDT
>From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com
>Subject: Re: Correspondence and... (OT)
>To: olaf at andebyonline.com, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <fb.46eca272.2ca3724f at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>In a message dated 9/24/2003 6:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>olaf at andebyonline.com writes:
>Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
>
>I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
>I have been paid money for historical articles about comics
> am i by defination a comics historian?
>
>steven rowe
>
>I've read several Disney Italian pocket stories and in some of the one-page
>strips, a character similar to Santa Claus can be found. The character is an
>old lady (flying with a broom?) and carry a sack full of gifts(?) just like
>Santa Claus.
>
>Is this an extra imaginary character created out of nowhere or actually a
>character made from references of other character from other
>myths/beliefs/stories/cultural icons?
You will be surprised to find out that the reference is to a Christian
(maybe better: Christian Catholic) cultural icon. But it is a 100% Italian
reference.
In the Italian tradition, it was this old lady who would bring toys to
children, just like the three kings brought gifts to the newly-born Jesus.
The festivity which celebrates the gifts to Jesus being also the occasion
to point out that Jesus came to save not only his people (the Jews) but
everybody in the world, it is called "Epiphany" which means "showing out".
A corruption of the word "Epiphany" was "Befany" and thereafter "Befana"
which is the Italian traditional name for that old lady.
Maybe still 70 years ago, parents would give their gifts to children not on
Christmas but on Epiphany (which is shortly after, on January 6th). They
would pretend that it was this old lady who brought them. Ah, and I almost
forgot: the Befana puts her toys in STOCKINGS which hang down at the
fireplace. Does that remind you of anything? And if you had been a bad boy,
she would leave a piece of coal in your stocking instead of toys.
To go back to Disney comics, I'll point out that in the early '50s of the
previous century a few references in Disney comics to Santa Claus putting
toys in the stockings were changed in the Italyian "Topolino" to this
woman, Befana. Although the shadow you could see was that of a bearded man
in a furry coat...
When I was a little boy, I had my toys for Christmas, and it was Santa
Claus who brought them. But I still had a visit from the Befana on January
6th, filling my stocking with chocolate and candies. She now is only in
charge of sweets and candies, not toys; but even in this millennium she
still visits a lot of homes on January 6th!
>Thanks in advance for the answers.
>
>Keep On Quacking,
>Arie Fachrisal
>
>Barks Quiz:
>"Ho Maid Moonshine. Wherefore arts thou artst?"
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:08:58 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
>Subject: the statue
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <20030924180858.42607.qmail at web41503.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>I saw that Cornelius Coot statue when I was in Disney World in
>October of 1989, so it's been there at least that long. I have
>a picture of my nine-year-old self standing by it. I was so
>thrilled to see it! :-D
>I was also probably one of the few Americans who saw the
>employee in the Scrooge costume and wasn't surprised to see him
>in a red coat instead of the DuckTales blue. I bought a
>DuckTales T-shirt while I was there, though, which I wore until
>I outgrew it. *sigh* ;)
>I also bought a plush toy of one of the nephews, but since it
>was dressed in a rather odd magenta color that didn't match the
>classic red, blue and green, I named it Phooey in honor of the
>long-lost fourth nephew. LOL! Ah, the memories...
>
>The only other time I went to Disney World was in January of
>1996, but I didn't get to the Magic Kingdom that time...just MGM
>and Epcot. :(
>
>
>Katie Sullivan
>http://www.sullivanet.com/ (should be back up either today or tomorrow)
>
>__________________________________
>Do you Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:13:44 +0300
>From: Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
>Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
>To: Mike Rhode <mgrhode at yahoo.com>
>Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <3F71DED8.3070303 at mbnet.fi>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Mike Rhode wrote:
>
> >Don said:
> >
> >
> >"There are many more letters from Barks to Rosa and
> >Rosa to Barks during
> >1975-1998 and I have copies of them all, but if I can
> >help it, no one will
> >ever see them. "
> >
> >Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to
> >disagree with you on this one. You could deposit the
> >correspondence with an archives such as OSU or MSU or
> >even the Library of Congress w/ restrictions as to its
> >use. The UKY article quoted you as saying that Barks
> >was the greatest storyteller of the 20th century - is
> >it fair to deprive future generations of the
> >possibility of new insights into Barks' work?
> >
>As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments. Still, private
>correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't want my personal
>e-mails all over the internet. When writing to someone in private I at
>least write just to that person and tell him/her things that are meant
>*just* for him/her. I think what Don said about being "feeling soiled"
>is good description of how I too would feel if my personal letters were
>exposed to anyone who'd like to read them.
>
>Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the said correspondence
>between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. Those that are not
>overly personal.
>
>Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the same thing), this
>just reminded me of one of my pet peeves:
>
>Why do some people assume they have the right to know everything about
>every celebrity in the planet? I don't think personal diaries/letters of
>people like JFK, Marilyn Monroe or princess Di belong to anyone else but
>them. Its just plain wrong that someone *whole* life becomes public
>domain if he/she becames a public figure.
>
>Then again, I've always hated those celebrity gossip magazines.
>
>--
>- Kai Saarto
>http://www.go.to/donrosa
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:41:55 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Mike Rhode <mgrhode at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
>To: Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
>Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <20030924184155.37933.qmail at web21411.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Kai, thank you for your thoughtful and measured
>response. I'll just respond to a few points to
>clarify my original comments although I think we're
>roughly in agreement.
>
>--- Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi> wrote:
> >
> > As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s
> > comments. Still, private
> > correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't
> > want my personal
> > e-mails all over the internet.
>
>Yes, but when you're dead, presumably you won't care.
>:^) I'm not suggesting Don turn them over to someone
>for research or publishing now. Just consider it for
>the future.
>
>As much as I respect what Barks made with his life,
>it's interesting to read in Don Ault's book how much
>he had to struggle to get to that point. His
>reflections to people, not in published interviews
>but his private musings, would increase our
>understanding of the man especially in the early years
>before (as in Liberty Vallance) the legend became
>bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead
>nopw(is that correct btw?), and can't be hurt by
>anything now.
>
> >
> > Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the
> > said correspondence
> > between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*.
> > Those that are not
> > overly personal.
>
>Right. Plenty of correspondence is donated and sealed
>for a set period of time. It's pretty standard. I'm
>sure the UKy archives would be willing to advise Don
>if he was interested in this idea.
>
> >
> > Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the
> > same thing), this
> > just reminded me of one of my pet peeves:
> >
> > Why do some people assume they have the right to
> > know everything about
> > every celebrity in the planet?
>
>I'm also not a big fan of the cult of celebrity that
>the mass media has brought to us, but I think since
>Pepys diaries are usually kept w/ an eye towards
>eventual use. Overall, I think that someone like say
>Robert Caro on LBJ can add to our understanding of a
>complex person through the paper record. The recent
>Truman diary 'discovery' by the National Archives was
>interesting - Truman apparently had a healthy dose of
>the unsurprising for the time anti-Jewish racism, but
>still supported the establishment of Israel -- a minor
>historial point perhaps, but an interesting one.
>
>Sorry for wandering off topic, but I feel very
>strongly that Barks is important enough that his
>correspondence should be preserved, just as LBJ or
>Churchill or Hemingway (partially in the Boston
>Kennedy library and partially in Cuba) deserved.
>
>I'm writing this unofficially, but anyone interested
>in seeing the type of material that I am responsible
>for (a small collection of its type) can go to
>http://www.nmhm.washingtondc.museum/collections/guide/gotis/gotis.html
>
>Mike
>
>__________________________________
>Do you Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:38:07 -0400
>From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com
>Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <0DE74547.0068265C.0C38BCAA at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>In a message dated 9/24/2003 2:41:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>mgrhode at yahoo.com writes:
>
> > the legend became
> > bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead
> > nopw(is that correct btw?),
>
>
>Believe his children are still alive ----
> certainly his grandchildren
>Steven Rowe
>SRoweCanoe at aol.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:40:17 +0200
>From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
>Subject: Re: Correspondence and... (OT)
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <1064439617.3f720f415c45b at imp.webhuset.no>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Mike wrote:
> > Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to...
>
>Kai wrote:
> > As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments...
>
>
>
>Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
>
>I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
>
>
>
>Olaf
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:18:55 EDT
>From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com
>Subject: Re: Correspondence and... (OT)
>To: olaf at andebyonline.com, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <fb.46eca272.2ca3724f at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>In a message dated 9/24/2003 6:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>olaf at andebyonline.com writes:
>Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-)
>
>I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More?
>I have been paid money for historical articles about comics
> am i by defination a comics historian?
>
>steven rowe
>
Michael Schartau
That strange old lady bringing toys on a broomstick
Message 389 -
2003-09-25 at 11:36:27
Living in a dutch-swedish-american-italian jewish christian family and get
presents on chanukka and the 6th, 24th, 25th of December + 6th of Januari
would then be quite ultimate
/Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Barlotti" <
presents on chanukka and the 6th, 24th, 25th of December + 6th of Januari
would then be quite ultimate
/Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Barlotti" <
Larry Giver
Arie's Barks quiz
Message 390 -
2003-09-25 at 11:56:43
Arie asked which Barks story this quote is from:
"Ho Maid Moonshine. Wherefore arts thou artst?"
It's from "Knightly Rivals", the first of Barks 2 storys of
Donald and Gladstone competing for the starring role
is a play Daisy's club is producing. WDC&S 128 (May 1951),
page 3 panel 5. In my Gladstone reprint, Donald's
line is "Ho Maid Moonshine! Wherefore artst you at?"
I would think the Gladstone reprint has Barks'
original English, and Arie's version differs because
it's from a back-translation?
Barks' second story is from WDC&S 217 (Oct. 1958).
"Ho Maid Moonshine. Wherefore arts thou artst?"
It's from "Knightly Rivals", the first of Barks 2 storys of
Donald and Gladstone competing for the starring role
is a play Daisy's club is producing. WDC&S 128 (May 1951),
page 3 panel 5. In my Gladstone reprint, Donald's
line is "Ho Maid Moonshine! Wherefore artst you at?"
I would think the Gladstone reprint has Barks'
original English, and Arie's version differs because
it's from a back-translation?
Barks' second story is from WDC&S 217 (Oct. 1958).