According to the official Swedish Dictionary,
<URL:http://g3.spraakdata.gu.se/>, the word "sp?a" has been used in
the context "to beat someone" (or "lash, scourge") since the early
19th century.
quack,
Magnus Bark,
Swedish Donaldist
/ Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna)
Previous text:
>2003-09-05 22:39:
>Subject: Swedish???
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Michael Schartau <m_schartau at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In todays free Stockholm newspaper "Stocholm
>> City" you can se a headline "Kalevala sp?ar
>> Kalle Anka" (Kalevala beats Donald Duck).
>
>What is this "sp?ar" word? Is it some strange Stockholmish dialect word?
>AFAIK the correct Swedish word here wold be "sl?r" or "?verg?r".
>
>Sigvald
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>
>
> / Brevb?raren
>
Author
Topic: 200309
(480 messages)
Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, En Av De Tjocka Farbröderna)
Swedish???
Message 91 -
2003-09-05 at 23:50:03
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks and wife photograph
Message 92 -
2003-09-06 at 01:31:36
UNDBKB, 05-09-2003:
> It certainly is an unusual piece but not what most Barks collectors want.
> I would much prefer to own a piece of Barks memorabilia that Barks gave
> me than to buy this from former managers who were discharged
Just to state the obvious: I fully agree!
And I can only hope that they don't maliciously benefit from the silence
around them. Some people who know more about the situation, have publicly
stated it's too painful to talk about. But if I wouldn't have been *told*
about their identity, there would have been *no way* to know that they're
on Ebay. Someone may just think "let's bid", unaware of the strange origin.
And maybe there are already quite some people who cherish material that
they'd rather not have obtained in such an odd way.
I'm deeply sorry if this email already is too much. I have this question
for years, so I finally would like to ask it. I'm rather worried and upset
about reading this news. I can't resist thinking of these "ex-managers" as
persons who possibly are laughing their pants off, while other people can't
stand the pain looking at it.
--- Dani?l
> It certainly is an unusual piece but not what most Barks collectors want.
> I would much prefer to own a piece of Barks memorabilia that Barks gave
> me than to buy this from former managers who were discharged
Just to state the obvious: I fully agree!
And I can only hope that they don't maliciously benefit from the silence
around them. Some people who know more about the situation, have publicly
stated it's too painful to talk about. But if I wouldn't have been *told*
about their identity, there would have been *no way* to know that they're
on Ebay. Someone may just think "let's bid", unaware of the strange origin.
And maybe there are already quite some people who cherish material that
they'd rather not have obtained in such an odd way.
I'm deeply sorry if this email already is too much. I have this question
for years, so I finally would like to ask it. I'm rather worried and upset
about reading this news. I can't resist thinking of these "ex-managers" as
persons who possibly are laughing their pants off, while other people can't
stand the pain looking at it.
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
The Unsafe Safe (US 38) and Monty Python
Message 93 -
2003-09-06 at 05:32:56
OLIVIER to me, 01-09-2003
>> I think the sudden, zany ending is part of the fun in a lot of Barks's
>> stories with Magica. She seems to try to be impressive, but when she
>> gets frustrated she's humiliated, hissing, snarling, and not so sexy
>> anymore. Well, the latter is a matter of taste, of course. :-)
> Point taken. But in the "Unsafe Safe" [US 38] story it seemed too quick;
> the ducks arrive, the stunner sputters, and that's all. Maybe it struck
> me more because I was simply skimming over the story.
This reminds me of the all-of-a-sudden ending of Monty Python's movie
"The Holy Grail", where the inspector says "Move along. There's nothing
to see! Keep moving!", just before walking over to the camera and putting
his hand over the lens.
"The Unsafe Safe" suddenly is ended by the policeman running into the
scene, saying to Magica: "Miss! Miss! You'll have to cut that out!
A little old lady across the street has COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NOISE!"
Both the story and the movie have scenes that predict that the
interruption of the police might happen at some point. It's not the
first time that the policeman runs into the story, and in "The Holy
Grail" there are police patrolmen investigating throughout the film.
http://www.montypythonpages.com/SSSS/holy.htm
What do you think of this?
According to DCML-information, Monty Python's Terry Gilliam has indicated
that he was a big fan of Carl barks' work, in a BBC interview:
Terry Gilliam a Barks fan - Rob Klein
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2000-November/013904.html
Re: Terry Gilliam a Barks fan - Daniel van Eijmeren
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2000-November/013910.html
There's a Scrooge-like merchant banker sketch by Monty Python's Flying
Circus, in their untitled 30th episode aired on 9 November 1972. It
looks like a real-life visit to Scrooge's office, destinied to leave
by way of a trap door. This reminded me of a scene in Barks's "The
Golden River" (US 20). Here's a transcription of that sketch:
http://www.montypythonpages.com/sketches/merchbnk.htm
A City Gent, who reasons even heavier than Scrooge, pulls a lever
opening a trap door under a visitor's feet, who falls through with
a yelp.
--- Dani?l
"No, no, no, I don't follow this at all, I mean, I don't want to seem
stupid but it looks to me as though I'm a pound down on the whole deal."
(Merchant banker Charman Knebter, responding to a collector for charity)
>> I think the sudden, zany ending is part of the fun in a lot of Barks's
>> stories with Magica. She seems to try to be impressive, but when she
>> gets frustrated she's humiliated, hissing, snarling, and not so sexy
>> anymore. Well, the latter is a matter of taste, of course. :-)
> Point taken. But in the "Unsafe Safe" [US 38] story it seemed too quick;
> the ducks arrive, the stunner sputters, and that's all. Maybe it struck
> me more because I was simply skimming over the story.
This reminds me of the all-of-a-sudden ending of Monty Python's movie
"The Holy Grail", where the inspector says "Move along. There's nothing
to see! Keep moving!", just before walking over to the camera and putting
his hand over the lens.
"The Unsafe Safe" suddenly is ended by the policeman running into the
scene, saying to Magica: "Miss! Miss! You'll have to cut that out!
A little old lady across the street has COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NOISE!"
Both the story and the movie have scenes that predict that the
interruption of the police might happen at some point. It's not the
first time that the policeman runs into the story, and in "The Holy
Grail" there are police patrolmen investigating throughout the film.
http://www.montypythonpages.com/SSSS/holy.htm
What do you think of this?
According to DCML-information, Monty Python's Terry Gilliam has indicated
that he was a big fan of Carl barks' work, in a BBC interview:
Terry Gilliam a Barks fan - Rob Klein
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2000-November/013904.html
Re: Terry Gilliam a Barks fan - Daniel van Eijmeren
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2000-November/013910.html
There's a Scrooge-like merchant banker sketch by Monty Python's Flying
Circus, in their untitled 30th episode aired on 9 November 1972. It
looks like a real-life visit to Scrooge's office, destinied to leave
by way of a trap door. This reminded me of a scene in Barks's "The
Golden River" (US 20). Here's a transcription of that sketch:
http://www.montypythonpages.com/sketches/merchbnk.htm
A City Gent, who reasons even heavier than Scrooge, pulls a lever
opening a trap door under a visitor's feet, who falls through with
a yelp.
--- Dani?l
"No, no, no, I don't follow this at all, I mean, I don't want to seem
stupid but it looks to me as though I'm a pound down on the whole deal."
(Merchant banker Charman Knebter, responding to a collector for charity)
Stefan Diös
Swedish??
Message 94 -
2003-09-06 at 13:44:59
>According to the official Swedish Dictionary,
><URL:http://g3.spraakdata.gu.se/>, the word "sp?a" has been used in
>the context "to beat someone" (or "lash, scourge") since the early
>19th century.
>
>quack,
>
>Magnus Bark,
>Swedish Donaldist
Quite so, and since 1935 figuratively as "conquer, defeat", which no doubt
is the meaning in this case. This date is given in Nationalencyklopediens
Ordbok. It is not marked as a dialect word, although Svenska Akademiens
Ordlista labels it "colloquial". All in all, I think it fits much better in
this headline than any of the words Sigvald suggested, even though I should
have preferred the article to explain why the connection with the Duck was
indicated.
Thank you for your profound interest in our language.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
><URL:http://g3.spraakdata.gu.se/>, the word "sp?a" has been used in
>the context "to beat someone" (or "lash, scourge") since the early
>19th century.
>
>quack,
>
>Magnus Bark,
>Swedish Donaldist
Quite so, and since 1935 figuratively as "conquer, defeat", which no doubt
is the meaning in this case. This date is given in Nationalencyklopediens
Ordbok. It is not marked as a dialect word, although Svenska Akademiens
Ordlista labels it "colloquial". All in all, I think it fits much better in
this headline than any of the words Sigvald suggested, even though I should
have preferred the article to explain why the connection with the Duck was
indicated.
Thank you for your profound interest in our language.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Daniel Van Eijmeren
P.S. (Barks and wife photograph)
Message 95 -
2003-09-06 at 18:35:06
Earlier today, I wrote:
> But if I wouldn't have been *told* about their identity, there would
> have been *no way* to know that they're on Ebay.
And, of course, I meant:
But if I wouldn't have been *told* about their identity, there would
(IMO) have been *no way* to reasonably *suspect* that they're on Ebay,
unless there's more information on pages that (for example) require
registration. (Are there any?) At least, I didn't get any hint while
looking at the auction of the 1938 photo that has been mentioned here
on DCML. I know I would have thought of just a relative/anchestor of
the photographer, or Barks's second wife, to mention just two examples.
BTW. On "Sep-04-03 at 09:39:51 PDT", seller added information about being
"ATTACKED" by a bidder. (Or something like that.) I don't know anything
else than what has been mentioned on that page. (See link below.) And,
more important, I have NO opinion about it. As I've already stated, I'm
just an outsider who's watching (and only sometimes reporting) what's
going on. You may know a lot more than me, as *always*.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2188651300&category=144
--- Dani?l
> But if I wouldn't have been *told* about their identity, there would
> have been *no way* to know that they're on Ebay.
And, of course, I meant:
But if I wouldn't have been *told* about their identity, there would
(IMO) have been *no way* to reasonably *suspect* that they're on Ebay,
unless there's more information on pages that (for example) require
registration. (Are there any?) At least, I didn't get any hint while
looking at the auction of the 1938 photo that has been mentioned here
on DCML. I know I would have thought of just a relative/anchestor of
the photographer, or Barks's second wife, to mention just two examples.
BTW. On "Sep-04-03 at 09:39:51 PDT", seller added information about being
"ATTACKED" by a bidder. (Or something like that.) I don't know anything
else than what has been mentioned on that page. (See link below.) And,
more important, I have NO opinion about it. As I've already stated, I'm
just an outsider who's watching (and only sometimes reporting) what's
going on. You may know a lot more than me, as *always*.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2188651300&category=144
--- Dani?l
Lars Jensen
DvE and Mao Tse Tung
Message 96 -
2003-09-06 at 21:08:13
Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote:
> Many left-wingers in Europe and other places were and still are
> inspired by [Mao Tse Tung].
Sigvald, please don't post these off-topic and potentially inflammatory
statements on the DCML. Thank you.
Lars
> Many left-wingers in Europe and other places were and still are
> inspired by [Mao Tse Tung].
Sigvald, please don't post these off-topic and potentially inflammatory
statements on the DCML. Thank you.
Lars
Persson Stefan
Monkey Business (WDC 297)
Message 97 -
2003-09-07 at 16:53:51
>From: "Sigvald Grfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>Reply-To: "Sigvald Grfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: SV: RE: Monkey Business (WDC 297)
>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:45:46 +0200
>No! Mao should AFAIK be written with an O in the end. So the currently
used
>transcription should be MaO Zedong.
Correct.
>The same way the name of the Chinese
>capital "Peking" has been changed to "Beijing".
Wrong: the name of the city currently being the Chinese capital has always
been ??: the spelling has not changed. And the change in transcription
system (Peking -> Beijing) doesn't have anything to do with the Mao/Mau
case: ? is transcribed as "Mao" using both systems.
Stefan
_________________________________________________________________
????????????????? MSN Hotmail http://www.hotmail.com/
>Reply-To: "Sigvald Grfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: SV: RE: Monkey Business (WDC 297)
>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:45:46 +0200
>No! Mao should AFAIK be written with an O in the end. So the currently
used
>transcription should be MaO Zedong.
Correct.
>The same way the name of the Chinese
>capital "Peking" has been changed to "Beijing".
Wrong: the name of the city currently being the Chinese capital has always
been ??: the spelling has not changed. And the change in transcription
system (Peking -> Beijing) doesn't have anything to do with the Mao/Mau
case: ? is transcribed as "Mao" using both systems.
Stefan
_________________________________________________________________
????????????????? MSN Hotmail http://www.hotmail.com/
Stefan Persson
DEi and Mao Tse Tung
Message 98 -
2003-09-07 at 17:07:47
>From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>Reply-To: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: DvE and Mao Tse Tung
>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:30:12 +0200
>He died in 1976 after being
>Chinas communist dictator since 1949.
No, he was the chairman of the communist party, not the dictator, though his
position was more like that of a dictator's.
Stefan
_________________________________________________________________
Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/
>Reply-To: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: DvE and Mao Tse Tung
>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:30:12 +0200
>He died in 1976 after being
>Chinas communist dictator since 1949.
No, he was the chairman of the communist party, not the dictator, though his
position was more like that of a dictator's.
Stefan
_________________________________________________________________
Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
DvE and Mao Tse Tung
Message 99 -
2003-09-08 at 00:16:45
Lars Jensen <lpj at forfatter.dk> wrote:
>> Many left-wingers in Europe and other places
>> were and still are inspired by [Mao Tse Tung].
>
> Sigvald, please don't post these off-topic and
> potentially inflammatory statements on the
> DCML. Thank you.
Even though my statement above wasn't meant as anything but additional
information, I will try to follow your kind request.
Sigvald
>> Many left-wingers in Europe and other places
>> were and still are inspired by [Mao Tse Tung].
>
> Sigvald, please don't post these off-topic and
> potentially inflammatory statements on the
> DCML. Thank you.
Even though my statement above wasn't meant as anything but additional
information, I will try to follow your kind request.
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
DEi and Mao Tse Tung
Message 100 -
2003-09-08 at 00:34:10
Stefan Persson <reimersholme at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> He died in 1976 after being Chinas communist
>> dictator since 1949.
>
> No, he was the chairman of the communist party,
> not the dictator, though his position was more
> like that of a dictator's.
Even though my statement above wasn't meant as anything but additional
information, I will try to follow your kind request.
Interesting! Very interesting statement indeed, Stefan! Based upon the
assumption that you are consistent, this mean that you oppose the political
correct Scandinavian medias which most of the time refers to leaders as
Franco (Spain) and Pinochet (Chile) as dictators even though these leaders
were like boy scouts compared to other leaders like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot
when comparing how many people that were killed as a result of their
leadership. Or is there another definition of the term "dictator"?
PS! I think this last question makes this slightly on-topic as a definition
of the term "dictator" could help us to decide whether Brutopia is a
dictatorship or not.
Sigvald
>> He died in 1976 after being Chinas communist
>> dictator since 1949.
>
> No, he was the chairman of the communist party,
> not the dictator, though his position was more
> like that of a dictator's.
Even though my statement above wasn't meant as anything but additional
information, I will try to follow your kind request.
Interesting! Very interesting statement indeed, Stefan! Based upon the
assumption that you are consistent, this mean that you oppose the political
correct Scandinavian medias which most of the time refers to leaders as
Franco (Spain) and Pinochet (Chile) as dictators even though these leaders
were like boy scouts compared to other leaders like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot
when comparing how many people that were killed as a result of their
leadership. Or is there another definition of the term "dictator"?
PS! I think this last question makes this slightly on-topic as a definition
of the term "dictator" could help us to decide whether Brutopia is a
dictatorship or not.
Sigvald
Cord Wiljes
AW: DEi and Mao Tse Tung
Message 101 -
2003-09-08 at 00:58:59
Hi all:
This is just a short reminder that we can talk about politics on
http://www.dcml-talk.org
"Hail to Wahn Beeg Rhat, dictator of all the happy people -- happy or
not!"
Cord
This is just a short reminder that we can talk about politics on
http://www.dcml-talk.org
"Hail to Wahn Beeg Rhat, dictator of all the happy people -- happy or
not!"
Cord
Fabio Blanco
DEi and Mao Tse Tung
Message 102 -
2003-09-08 at 04:32:00
> Hi all:
>
> This is just a short reminder that we can talk about politics on
>
> http://www.dcml-talk.org
yeaahh, sure.
Be a dictator is in relation with how much people died by they? Because I
always think USA was a democracy...
hey, hey, blame Sigvald. He began, teacher!! :-P
FABIO
Viva la Revolucion! Muera Batista!!
>
> This is just a short reminder that we can talk about politics on
>
> http://www.dcml-talk.org
yeaahh, sure.
Be a dictator is in relation with how much people died by they? Because I
always think USA was a democracy...
hey, hey, blame Sigvald. He began, teacher!! :-P
FABIO
Viva la Revolucion! Muera Batista!!
Fernando Ventura
Lost Samples...
Message 103 -
2003-09-08 at 04:54:47
Hi!
Long time ago someone posted here images from the Egmont-manga version of
some Barks' stories! Someone has still this samples?
I'd like to see it again! So, if somenone have it...please, send to my
e-mail! :-)
Thank you so much,
Fernando!
Long time ago someone posted here images from the Egmont-manga version of
some Barks' stories! Someone has still this samples?
I'd like to see it again! So, if somenone have it...please, send to my
e-mail! :-)
Thank you so much,
Fernando!
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Trick Or Treat
Message 104 -
2003-09-08 at 09:35:31
FRANK BUBACZ to me, 02-09-2003:
> [Trick or Treat cartoon] I'm not quite sure, however, about the scene
> with the goat. The goat is not in my copy of the short, although the
> goat's hair definitely is. Moreover, there's also an "unnatural"
> looking cut right before one of the nephews hands Hazel the hairs. So
> I guess the gag with the goat was edited out from my TV sourced version
> of the film. Maybe somebody else can confirm that this gag is in the
> film, i.e. it wasn't Barks' own idea for the comic version? [DD 26]
Interesting!
FRANK BUBACZ to GERD SYLLWASSCHI, 02-09-2003:
>> My DVD version (length 7'56 at 25 fps, ca. 7'10 without credits)
>> does not contain the goat scene, either.
> For what it's worth, Geoff Blum claims in the CBL that the goat scene
> was a Barks addition. So we can probably add it to the list of
> differences.
There's a possibility that Geoffrey Blum also has seen an edited version,
if any at all exists.
--- Dani?l
> [Trick or Treat cartoon] I'm not quite sure, however, about the scene
> with the goat. The goat is not in my copy of the short, although the
> goat's hair definitely is. Moreover, there's also an "unnatural"
> looking cut right before one of the nephews hands Hazel the hairs. So
> I guess the gag with the goat was edited out from my TV sourced version
> of the film. Maybe somebody else can confirm that this gag is in the
> film, i.e. it wasn't Barks' own idea for the comic version? [DD 26]
Interesting!
FRANK BUBACZ to GERD SYLLWASSCHI, 02-09-2003:
>> My DVD version (length 7'56 at 25 fps, ca. 7'10 without credits)
>> does not contain the goat scene, either.
> For what it's worth, Geoff Blum claims in the CBL that the goat scene
> was a Barks addition. So we can probably add it to the list of
> differences.
There's a possibility that Geoffrey Blum also has seen an edited version,
if any at all exists.
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Witch-Queen Snow White / Harry's trick
Message 105 -
2003-09-08 at 10:01:19
SHAD Z to me, 03-09-2003:
>> In comics, Disney movie characters are often used in their most
>> memorable appearance. Think of [...] The Lion King. In the movie
>> the father is killed, and Simba has grown old. In the comics,
>> Simba's father is still alive and Simba is still young.
> Yeah, but there you are talking about a series/feature based on
> the movie. It makes [sense] that the series would be based somehow
> during the film, since after the film all the dramatic arcs and
> conflicts have been wrapped up.
I also meant comic book sequels of movies. I believe there are (for
example) Snowy White stories with both the prince and the witch-queen,
but I'm not sure.
> Here, I'm talking about random appearinces of the Witch Queen as the
> villian in a Chip 'n' Dale story, etc.
> Anyway, the Queens "old crone" disguise is NOT her "most memorable
> appearance," IMHO. Her natural looks are much more interesting and
> scary.
This is indeed a matter of opinion. I think that the witch-version has
more interesting and usable features than the "normal" queen. As witch
she can also be used in Chip 'n' Dale stories, for example.
--- Dani?l
>> In comics, Disney movie characters are often used in their most
>> memorable appearance. Think of [...] The Lion King. In the movie
>> the father is killed, and Simba has grown old. In the comics,
>> Simba's father is still alive and Simba is still young.
> Yeah, but there you are talking about a series/feature based on
> the movie. It makes [sense] that the series would be based somehow
> during the film, since after the film all the dramatic arcs and
> conflicts have been wrapped up.
I also meant comic book sequels of movies. I believe there are (for
example) Snowy White stories with both the prince and the witch-queen,
but I'm not sure.
> Here, I'm talking about random appearinces of the Witch Queen as the
> villian in a Chip 'n' Dale story, etc.
> Anyway, the Queens "old crone" disguise is NOT her "most memorable
> appearance," IMHO. Her natural looks are much more interesting and
> scary.
This is indeed a matter of opinion. I think that the witch-version has
more interesting and usable features than the "normal" queen. As witch
she can also be used in Chip 'n' Dale stories, for example.
--- Dani?l