> BUT it's hard to ignore how ruthless he is in "So Far and No
> Safari." I'm particularly struck by the scene where he is disguised as a
> witch doctor and our heroes come to his aid. He actually thinks, "My
> business is still to see that my kindly rescuer never gets to that mine
> auction." Now that IS evil!
We maith sey Glomgold is a master of Discuise :-)
See olsow "The last Lord of Eldorado" and "The Son of the Sun" ;-)
But backing to "Evil" I think the moust Evil charecter (next to Glomgod) I
now is Soapy Slick. In the "King of Klodike" wen he was rithing letter to
Scrooge from his parent's and in one of the letter were bad new's from
Scrooge father obaut the't Scrooge mother had Deid and he make fun of it
>:-( Even Beagle Boy's and Magica arent sow bad to laught at sombody
parents Died. Now that is very Evil!
Yours Maciek
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KUR
Evility (if that's even a word) plus : Glomgold the master of
Message 421 -
2003-09-27 at 17:12:38
Arie Fachrisal
(No subject)
Message 422 -
2003-09-27 at 19:30:43
Marco Barlotti:
Thanks for the explanations. I was really stumped over that character
because of the HUGE similarity of her with Santa Claus.
> From: Larry Giver <lgiver at pacbell.net>
> I would think the Gladstone reprint has Barks'
> original English, and Arie's version differs because
> it's from a back-translation?
> Barks' second story is from WDC&S 217 (Oct. 1958).
I was writing that with only my vague memory of the sayings. I have the
CBLiC version so it was me who mis-write some of the sentences. Thanks for
correcting it.
Regarding Ducktales, wanna add to the discussion:
I never really like the animated show as the ducks minus DD was quite
annoying in a way. I enjoyed the show but didnt really treasure the films.
Add to that, i dont recall i ever watch a Ducktale episode that was derived
from a Barks story, but then again, i wasnt too hooked up on Ducktales as
much as i was on The A-Team :-D
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal, who on the other hand, enjoyed the NES version of Ducktales
very much.
Thanks for the explanations. I was really stumped over that character
because of the HUGE similarity of her with Santa Claus.
> From: Larry Giver <lgiver at pacbell.net>
> I would think the Gladstone reprint has Barks'
> original English, and Arie's version differs because
> it's from a back-translation?
> Barks' second story is from WDC&S 217 (Oct. 1958).
I was writing that with only my vague memory of the sayings. I have the
CBLiC version so it was me who mis-write some of the sentences. Thanks for
correcting it.
Regarding Ducktales, wanna add to the discussion:
I never really like the animated show as the ducks minus DD was quite
annoying in a way. I enjoyed the show but didnt really treasure the films.
Add to that, i dont recall i ever watch a Ducktale episode that was derived
from a Barks story, but then again, i wasnt too hooked up on Ducktales as
much as i was on The A-Team :-D
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal, who on the other hand, enjoyed the NES version of Ducktales
very much.
Katie Sullivan
That quote I was looking for Flintheart's evolution
Message 423 -
2003-09-27 at 20:27:38
Okay, now that I'm properly awake I found the quote I was
looking for last night. ;)
This is from Geoffrey Blum's essay in Gladstone's "Uncle Scrooge
vs. Flintheart Glomgold" album. Blum writes:
"Having starred in these two stories ["The Second Richest Duck"
and "The Money Champ"], Flintheart dropped from sight. "So Far
and No Safari," published six years after "The Money Champ," is
not a Glomgold tale per se, but an African adventure built
around the Junior Woodchuck animal-taming whistles. Flinty
makes a cameo appearance as an out-and-out villain, strafing the
ducks from his private jet; beyond that, he has no function in
the story, and no depth of character. On several occasions I
have asked Barks to explain this transformation, but it never
seemed to be an issue for him. He needed a villain to keep the
story rolling, and Flintheart could logically be expected to
turn up in Africa; what other considerations were there? Not
wanting to force my assumptions onto his creation, I let the
matter drop."
(It seems to me that Blum sometimes "forces his assumptions"
when discussing the work of other artists
*coughcoughRosacoughcough* but that's the right of a critic and
moreover not the point of this discussion so I'll keep my beak
shut.) ;)
Anyway, that's the quote I was thinking of yesterday. It
doesn't appear that the increasing "evilness" of Flintheart's
character was a conscious, deliberate decision on Barks' part.
He just used the character in whatever ways he needed to in
order to tell a good story. Nothing wrong with that, of course!
On a related note, when did European artists start placing
Flintheart as living in Duckburg? I know this tradition has
been around awhile. Pre-Rosa, too, I assume. Anyone know who
started this idea? I prefer the South African scenario
personally, but I have enjoyed some of the "Flinty as Duckburg
resident" stories that Gladstone reprinted, too. I can never
complain to see one of my favorite characters in a story, after
all. Just curious.
Katie Sullivan
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looking for last night. ;)
This is from Geoffrey Blum's essay in Gladstone's "Uncle Scrooge
vs. Flintheart Glomgold" album. Blum writes:
"Having starred in these two stories ["The Second Richest Duck"
and "The Money Champ"], Flintheart dropped from sight. "So Far
and No Safari," published six years after "The Money Champ," is
not a Glomgold tale per se, but an African adventure built
around the Junior Woodchuck animal-taming whistles. Flinty
makes a cameo appearance as an out-and-out villain, strafing the
ducks from his private jet; beyond that, he has no function in
the story, and no depth of character. On several occasions I
have asked Barks to explain this transformation, but it never
seemed to be an issue for him. He needed a villain to keep the
story rolling, and Flintheart could logically be expected to
turn up in Africa; what other considerations were there? Not
wanting to force my assumptions onto his creation, I let the
matter drop."
(It seems to me that Blum sometimes "forces his assumptions"
when discussing the work of other artists
*coughcoughRosacoughcough* but that's the right of a critic and
moreover not the point of this discussion so I'll keep my beak
shut.) ;)
Anyway, that's the quote I was thinking of yesterday. It
doesn't appear that the increasing "evilness" of Flintheart's
character was a conscious, deliberate decision on Barks' part.
He just used the character in whatever ways he needed to in
order to tell a good story. Nothing wrong with that, of course!
On a related note, when did European artists start placing
Flintheart as living in Duckburg? I know this tradition has
been around awhile. Pre-Rosa, too, I assume. Anyone know who
started this idea? I prefer the South African scenario
personally, but I have enjoyed some of the "Flinty as Duckburg
resident" stories that Gladstone reprinted, too. I can never
complain to see one of my favorite characters in a story, after
all. Just curious.
Katie Sullivan
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DCML Digest Issue 50
Message 424 -
2003-09-27 at 22:47:10
> There you go! That's the guy! And the story I'm working on *right now* is
> "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!".
>
Sound Cool :-)
I like theat villant (Arpin Lusene) and Im happy theat hi will back (to bad
por
Scrooge can't sey disame thing) :-))
Yours
Maciek
> "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!".
>
Sound Cool :-)
I like theat villant (Arpin Lusene) and Im happy theat hi will back (to bad
por
Scrooge can't sey disame thing) :-))
Yours
Maciek
Jonathan H. Gray
Evility & Soapy Slick
Message 425 -
2003-09-27 at 23:13:23
>But backing to "Evil" I think the moust Evil charecter (next to Glomgod) I
>now is Soapy Slick. In the "King of Klodike" wen he was rithing letter to
>Scrooge from his parent's and in one of the letter were bad new's from
>Scrooge father obaut the't Scrooge mother had Deid and he make fun of it
> >:-( Even Beagle Boy's and Magica arent sow bad to laught at sombody
>parents Died. Now that is very Evil!
I'd be hard pressed to agree with that. Soapy Slick was bar none one of the
most loathesome Scrooge villians ever. :P
I got the same feeling from him that I do when reading a story where
Gladstone/Donald story where his luck goes into overdrive and Donald just
CANNOT win and Gladstone lords it and laughs over him with no come uppance
at all. I just HATED HIM. XD XD
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>now is Soapy Slick. In the "King of Klodike" wen he was rithing letter to
>Scrooge from his parent's and in one of the letter were bad new's from
>Scrooge father obaut the't Scrooge mother had Deid and he make fun of it
> >:-( Even Beagle Boy's and Magica arent sow bad to laught at sombody
>parents Died. Now that is very Evil!
I'd be hard pressed to agree with that. Soapy Slick was bar none one of the
most loathesome Scrooge villians ever. :P
I got the same feeling from him that I do when reading a story where
Gladstone/Donald story where his luck goes into overdrive and Donald just
CANNOT win and Gladstone lords it and laughs over him with no come uppance
at all. I just HATED HIM. XD XD
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Flintheart Glomgold meet's J.Rockerduck
Message 426 -
2003-09-27 at 23:18:20
Hi
Did sombody remember a story in with actualy Glomgold meet face to face
Jhon. Rockerduck?
Yours
Maciek
Did sombody remember a story in with actualy Glomgold meet face to face
Jhon. Rockerduck?
Yours
Maciek
Jonathan H. Gray
The Mickey Mouse Villains
Message 427 -
2003-09-27 at 23:25:09
No one's yet mentioned Mickey's villains, but I
>think it would be interesting to compare, say, Black Pete and the Phantom
>Blot. Pete is like the Beagle Boys in a way, but he also has something in
>common with Glomgold, in that he has tried to kill Mickey several times
>(especially in MICKEY MOUSE IN THE FOREIGN LEGION). The Blot is a very
>complex character, one that I think only Gottfredson has done justice
>to--he can't bear to see anything "suffer" but he's quite willing to
>inflict suffering vicariously through one of his elaborate death-traps.
>
I love the Mickey Mouse Mouse villains to death.
Pegleg/Black Pete, Eli Squinch, The Phantom Blot, Sylvester Shyster, and
Professors Ecks, Doublex, and Triplex. I even have a soft spot for Paul
Murrays Emil Eagle when Disney decided to revive him.
Pete is indeed most like the Beagle Boys, but unlike them he has a MUCH MORE
vicious streak. Especially Gottfredson's Pete. I think one of the most
shocking things I ever read him doing was in The World Of Tomorrow where
he'd literally let Professor Numbspiegel almost starve to death. Pete is
also big and dumb. When he DOES use his brains, he's a menace at best, but
when he is out to truly hurt unlike the Beagle Boys he gets the job done.
Its all about being malicious with him.
As far as the Blot goes - I think Romano Scarpa is the only person who has
ever come close to catching the essence of Gottfredson's Blot. Though I have
to admit that there was a story done during the Disney era - the two parter
where it was revealed that the Blot has a daughter. I thought that was one
of the most touching sad endings as the concluding part was his basically
telling his daughter a bedtime story before being hauled off to jail for his
crimes. That was a darn good MM and Blot story.
As far as the rest go - I've always been compelled to wonder why Sylvester
Shyster was replaced by Eli Squinch. I was always of the opinion that
Shyster made a MUCH BETTER foil for Pete than Squinch ever did. Squinch was
just an old crab at best but Gottfredson's Shyster was just a nasty
malicious prick. :P
And as far as Ecks, Doublex, and Triplex goes, have any new stories been
done with the trio barring that rather silly one Disney did where they
merged the Ecks and Doublex? :P
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>think it would be interesting to compare, say, Black Pete and the Phantom
>Blot. Pete is like the Beagle Boys in a way, but he also has something in
>common with Glomgold, in that he has tried to kill Mickey several times
>(especially in MICKEY MOUSE IN THE FOREIGN LEGION). The Blot is a very
>complex character, one that I think only Gottfredson has done justice
>to--he can't bear to see anything "suffer" but he's quite willing to
>inflict suffering vicariously through one of his elaborate death-traps.
>
I love the Mickey Mouse Mouse villains to death.
Pegleg/Black Pete, Eli Squinch, The Phantom Blot, Sylvester Shyster, and
Professors Ecks, Doublex, and Triplex. I even have a soft spot for Paul
Murrays Emil Eagle when Disney decided to revive him.
Pete is indeed most like the Beagle Boys, but unlike them he has a MUCH MORE
vicious streak. Especially Gottfredson's Pete. I think one of the most
shocking things I ever read him doing was in The World Of Tomorrow where
he'd literally let Professor Numbspiegel almost starve to death. Pete is
also big and dumb. When he DOES use his brains, he's a menace at best, but
when he is out to truly hurt unlike the Beagle Boys he gets the job done.
Its all about being malicious with him.
As far as the Blot goes - I think Romano Scarpa is the only person who has
ever come close to catching the essence of Gottfredson's Blot. Though I have
to admit that there was a story done during the Disney era - the two parter
where it was revealed that the Blot has a daughter. I thought that was one
of the most touching sad endings as the concluding part was his basically
telling his daughter a bedtime story before being hauled off to jail for his
crimes. That was a darn good MM and Blot story.
As far as the rest go - I've always been compelled to wonder why Sylvester
Shyster was replaced by Eli Squinch. I was always of the opinion that
Shyster made a MUCH BETTER foil for Pete than Squinch ever did. Squinch was
just an old crab at best but Gottfredson's Shyster was just a nasty
malicious prick. :P
And as far as Ecks, Doublex, and Triplex goes, have any new stories been
done with the trio barring that rather silly one Disney did where they
merged the Ecks and Doublex? :P
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Evility & Soapy Slick
Message 428 -
2003-09-27 at 23:28:36
>I'd be hard pressed to agree with that. Soapy Slick was bar none one of the
>most loathesome Scrooge villians ever. :P
>
I dont think I phrased that right at all. What I meant was that I agree and
LIKE Soapy as a villian and found him utterly loathesome in his character.
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>most loathesome Scrooge villians ever. :P
>
I dont think I phrased that right at all. What I meant was that I agree and
LIKE Soapy as a villian and found him utterly loathesome in his character.
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Arpine Luséne.
Message 429 -
2003-09-27 at 23:58:44
Hi all!
It's well known that Don Rosa is not the only Disney comics creator/artist
who are a part of DCML. This time I have a friendly question for all of Don
Rosa's colleagues here - well at least those who are doing Duck stories. Do
any of you have any plans about involving Arpin? Lusene (a.k.a. The black
knight) in any of your future stories?
Sigvald
It's well known that Don Rosa is not the only Disney comics creator/artist
who are a part of DCML. This time I have a friendly question for all of Don
Rosa's colleagues here - well at least those who are doing Duck stories. Do
any of you have any plans about involving Arpin? Lusene (a.k.a. The black
knight) in any of your future stories?
Sigvald
Olaf Solstrand
Arpine Luséne.
Message 430 -
2003-09-28 at 00:08:44
> It's well known that Don Rosa is not the only Disney comics creator/artist
> who are a part of DCML. This time I have a friendly question for all of Don
> Rosa's colleagues here - well at least those who are doing Duck stories. Do
> any of you have any plans about involving Arpin? Lusene (a.k.a. The black
> knight) in any of your future stories?
Actually, I once included him in a script - but Byron Erickson had me remove me
again. And he was right as always. I used Lusene in a way that didn't give the
character the value he deserved - a short pop-in role, where he was used for a
short plot in a single page and arrested in the end of that same page. Lusene's
not made for such small roles - he should be a major villain. And stories where
Lusene is the major threat, should really be written by Don Rosa.
(for the record: In one of my upcoming stories, a fat German lady appears.
She's supposed to be Lusene. :-)
For now, of course. I hope to get a chance to use Lusene in the future - but
not until the character is fully developed. And _if_ I come up with a story
where such a character is needed.
But naturally, I'm interested in using "post-Barks" characters! That's the only
way they can live on, isn't it? I've already started working on the idea to
what I hope will turn out to be a pretty good Fethry-story, and I *hope* I will
be able to write stories with Sonny Seagull and Princess Oona in the next
couple of years. And naturally, when I get used to him, nothing would be more
obvious than including Rumpus in stories (after all, he's Scrooge's BROTHER).
But that's far into the future.
As for Arpin Lusene, I think the smartest thing to do is to not use him before
1) Don Rosa has fully developed the character
2) one manages to write a story that gives the character what he deserves
.and at least in MY case, that won't happen for at least a couple of years.
So I DON'T have any plans using Arpin Lusene - but I like the thought.
Olaf the Blue
> who are a part of DCML. This time I have a friendly question for all of Don
> Rosa's colleagues here - well at least those who are doing Duck stories. Do
> any of you have any plans about involving Arpin? Lusene (a.k.a. The black
> knight) in any of your future stories?
Actually, I once included him in a script - but Byron Erickson had me remove me
again. And he was right as always. I used Lusene in a way that didn't give the
character the value he deserved - a short pop-in role, where he was used for a
short plot in a single page and arrested in the end of that same page. Lusene's
not made for such small roles - he should be a major villain. And stories where
Lusene is the major threat, should really be written by Don Rosa.
(for the record: In one of my upcoming stories, a fat German lady appears.
She's supposed to be Lusene. :-)
For now, of course. I hope to get a chance to use Lusene in the future - but
not until the character is fully developed. And _if_ I come up with a story
where such a character is needed.
But naturally, I'm interested in using "post-Barks" characters! That's the only
way they can live on, isn't it? I've already started working on the idea to
what I hope will turn out to be a pretty good Fethry-story, and I *hope* I will
be able to write stories with Sonny Seagull and Princess Oona in the next
couple of years. And naturally, when I get used to him, nothing would be more
obvious than including Rumpus in stories (after all, he's Scrooge's BROTHER).
But that's far into the future.
As for Arpin Lusene, I think the smartest thing to do is to not use him before
1) Don Rosa has fully developed the character
2) one manages to write a story that gives the character what he deserves
.and at least in MY case, that won't happen for at least a couple of years.
So I DON'T have any plans using Arpin Lusene - but I like the thought.
Olaf the Blue
Klartekst
Are the Beagle Boys evil?
Message 431 -
2003-09-28 at 02:36:12
> The Beagle Boys -- they are lovable and goofy, and only want $crooge's
> money. They don't hate $crooge, he is no threat to their "personal
> identity". They might even have a soft spot for him. They would never try
> to hurt (or kill!) him.
They may appear lovable and goofy at times, but they can certainly be
ruthless and they
have tried to kill the ducks many times, for example:
- In US8 one of them says "Okay, Scroogie! Kiss your nephews goodbye!"
as he prepares to turn the ducks into stone with a ray.
- In US 41 they try to sink Scrooge's submarine. They even tell him to stand
on the deck with a a paper target so they can get a good aim.
- In US70 they leave the ducks to perish in a rubber raft in the middle of
the
sea. Later, they change their minds and decide to rescue them "before it's
too late", but only because Scrooge's demise would mean that his money would
be
transferred to Fort Knox where it will be out of reach.
Nils from Norway
> money. They don't hate $crooge, he is no threat to their "personal
> identity". They might even have a soft spot for him. They would never try
> to hurt (or kill!) him.
They may appear lovable and goofy at times, but they can certainly be
ruthless and they
have tried to kill the ducks many times, for example:
- In US8 one of them says "Okay, Scroogie! Kiss your nephews goodbye!"
as he prepares to turn the ducks into stone with a ray.
- In US 41 they try to sink Scrooge's submarine. They even tell him to stand
on the deck with a a paper target so they can get a good aim.
- In US70 they leave the ducks to perish in a rubber raft in the middle of
the
sea. Later, they change their minds and decide to rescue them "before it's
too late", but only because Scrooge's demise would mean that his money would
be
transferred to Fort Knox where it will be out of reach.
Nils from Norway
Kimba1962
DuckTales
Message 432 -
2003-09-28 at 04:41:44
How can I NOT get involved in this sudden proliferation of "DuckTales"
discussion...
Jonathan Gray seriously overstates things when he says that "DT" featured too
much reliance upon the "magical" powers of Scrooge's #1 Dime. "DT" used the
dime in this manner MUCH LESS than did Barks (in his later years, at least).
I wouldn't agree with him that Bubba and Tootsie marked the "downfall" of the
show, but in hindsight, it was a mistake to allow Bubba to remain a part of
the cast after the "Time is Money" serial. The writers evidently recognized
this right off the bat, as Bubba appeared in relatively few later eps (and
generally served merely as a "fourth nephew" when he DID appear). And thanks,
J., for sticking up for Launchpad. There's no earthly reason why LP couldn't
continue to appear in modern Duck stories as a supporting character. He
brings a different set of motivations and a different "attitude" to the table
than Donald, so it'd make perfect sense to let him participate in an adventure
with Scrooge, Donald, and the boys. Unfortunately, I suspect that it would
take some sort of "revival" of "DT" (perhaps in the form of a reissue of the
series on DVD -- hint hint) to reignite LP's comics career, and that probably
ain't happening anytime soon.
Don Rosa's comments point up the one thing about "DT" that purists tend to
miss... that ON ITS OWN TERMS, as a TV-show version of a classic comics
series, it was a magnificent achievement. I don't happen to agree with his
specific interpretation of "DT" as an "unauthorized and fanciful" take on the
Barks world, but I do appreciate the words of praise. Among its other
virtues, "DT" showed the animation industry that it was possible to produce a
quality syndicated series; no need to rely on toy tie-ins and such.
Without "DT", there'd have been no "Tiny Toon Adventures," no "Animaniacs,"
no "Disney Afternoon"... and who knows, perhaps no "Simpsons".
Chris Barat
discussion...
Jonathan Gray seriously overstates things when he says that "DT" featured too
much reliance upon the "magical" powers of Scrooge's #1 Dime. "DT" used the
dime in this manner MUCH LESS than did Barks (in his later years, at least).
I wouldn't agree with him that Bubba and Tootsie marked the "downfall" of the
show, but in hindsight, it was a mistake to allow Bubba to remain a part of
the cast after the "Time is Money" serial. The writers evidently recognized
this right off the bat, as Bubba appeared in relatively few later eps (and
generally served merely as a "fourth nephew" when he DID appear). And thanks,
J., for sticking up for Launchpad. There's no earthly reason why LP couldn't
continue to appear in modern Duck stories as a supporting character. He
brings a different set of motivations and a different "attitude" to the table
than Donald, so it'd make perfect sense to let him participate in an adventure
with Scrooge, Donald, and the boys. Unfortunately, I suspect that it would
take some sort of "revival" of "DT" (perhaps in the form of a reissue of the
series on DVD -- hint hint) to reignite LP's comics career, and that probably
ain't happening anytime soon.
Don Rosa's comments point up the one thing about "DT" that purists tend to
miss... that ON ITS OWN TERMS, as a TV-show version of a classic comics
series, it was a magnificent achievement. I don't happen to agree with his
specific interpretation of "DT" as an "unauthorized and fanciful" take on the
Barks world, but I do appreciate the words of praise. Among its other
virtues, "DT" showed the animation industry that it was possible to produce a
quality syndicated series; no need to rely on toy tie-ins and such.
Without "DT", there'd have been no "Tiny Toon Adventures," no "Animaniacs,"
no "Disney Afternoon"... and who knows, perhaps no "Simpsons".
Chris Barat
Matthew Williams
Donald and DuckTales
Message 433 -
2003-09-28 at 05:40:48
About Donald's absence from DuckTales: I remember that when DuckTales first
aired, the editors at Gladstone comics implied that Donald wasn't part of
the show because Disney was worried about overexposing the character. I
found that irritating when I was ten, but now that Disney has brought us
Quack Pack and (even worse) the House of Mouse, I wish they were still
worried! I HATE the strange, inconsistent things they do with Mickey and
Donald now!
Anyway, what do you all make of the Donald that did show up in a few
episodes of the show? I'm fascinated now by how he was a weird hybrid of
the comics character and the animated shorts star. He had more dialogue
than ever and some degree of sophistication, but still he always seemed more
like a child than an adult in the series. I thought he had some of the
Barks touch in the episode where he was possessed by the spirit of the
pharaoh and in the episode where he commits treason after being hypnotized
by the woman with the enchanting eyelashes. Maybe it was just the situation
that almost seemed Barksian, though. I remember feeling downright giddy
whenever Donald would show up at any rate.
I'm wondering if it would be possible to bring a Barks Donald to the screen.
Could the classic duck voice put across Barks's dialogue? If I could only
hear Tony Anselmo say, "I'll take Vanilla!"
Matt Williams
aired, the editors at Gladstone comics implied that Donald wasn't part of
the show because Disney was worried about overexposing the character. I
found that irritating when I was ten, but now that Disney has brought us
Quack Pack and (even worse) the House of Mouse, I wish they were still
worried! I HATE the strange, inconsistent things they do with Mickey and
Donald now!
Anyway, what do you all make of the Donald that did show up in a few
episodes of the show? I'm fascinated now by how he was a weird hybrid of
the comics character and the animated shorts star. He had more dialogue
than ever and some degree of sophistication, but still he always seemed more
like a child than an adult in the series. I thought he had some of the
Barks touch in the episode where he was possessed by the spirit of the
pharaoh and in the episode where he commits treason after being hypnotized
by the woman with the enchanting eyelashes. Maybe it was just the situation
that almost seemed Barksian, though. I remember feeling downright giddy
whenever Donald would show up at any rate.
I'm wondering if it would be possible to bring a Barks Donald to the screen.
Could the classic duck voice put across Barks's dialogue? If I could only
hear Tony Anselmo say, "I'll take Vanilla!"
Matt Williams
Jonathan H. Gray
DuckTales
Message 434 -
2003-09-28 at 09:38:26
>Jonathan Gray seriously overstates things when he says that "DT" featured
>too
>much reliance upon the "magical" powers of Scrooge's #1 Dime. "DT" used
>the
>dime in this manner MUCH LESS than did Barks (in his later years, at
>least).
You are correct. Its not so much the cartoon but moreso the comic stories
that resulted BECAUSE of the cartoon. I think the best example would be the
7 part "Scrooge's Quest" saga - the one where Magica De Spell kidnaps Webby
in exchange for Scrooge's number one dime. While some people who did DT
comic stories made Scrooge's dependence on the thing absolutely silly,
theres one part (in the very beginning of the story no less) where Scrooge
just hands it over casually saying "Oh well, I've got a money bin full of
em." Just seemed so...wrong :P The sole DT episode where Gladstone Gander
played a role was cool and all, but Scrooge's dependency on the dime in a
few DT epsidoes just felt more forced than most other people defined his
relationship to it.
.if that made any sense at all... :P
>I wouldn't agree with him that Bubba and Tootsie marked the "downfall" of
>the
>show, but in hindsight, it was a mistake to allow Bubba to remain a part of
>the cast after the "Time is Money" serial.
I liked "Time Is Money". I just didnt like the fact that Bubba and Tootsie
stuck around afterwards because they didnt really DO anything afterwards to
warrant them staying - and like you pointed out, it showed. The episode
where Bubba's brain gets enhanced was really cool. But I honestly cant name
more episodes than that where he played a major role. Unlike Launchpad or
Gizmoduck/Fenton - B&T filled absolutely no niche at all except for being a
"4th nephew". Something I think Webby filled decently when she wasnt being
all uber cute and sugary sweet and
"cuddly-wuddly-doodly-woodly-I-wanna-kiss-you-on-the-head-Unca-Scwooge!!!"
:)
And thanks,
>J., for sticking up for Launchpad. There's no earthly reason why LP
>couldn't
>continue to appear in modern Duck stories as a supporting character. He
>brings a different set of motivations and a different "attitude" to the
>table
>than Donald, so it'd make perfect sense to let him participate in an
>adventure
>with Scrooge, Donald, and the boys.
I'm glad to know that I'm not the only person who sees that. :)
Unfortunately, I suspect that it would
>take some sort of "revival" of "DT" (perhaps in the form of a reissue of
>the
>series on DVD -- hint hint) to reignite LP's comics career, and that
>probably
>ain't happening anytime soon.
Not necessarily. All it would take is some creativity on one of the
creatives part. You'd be surprised at the amount of people who remember Duck
Tales and specifically Launchpad. And the key thing is - Launchpad in Duck
Tales was established as being much younger than he was in Darkwing Duck,
probably a year or so right out of college if you wanna be all "Don Rosa
technical about it". ^__^ His build wasn't as broad, he crashed planes left
and right instead of being a competent flyer, etc etc. I still believe that
he could fill a niche in the Barksian world without taking anything away
from Donald. Not to mention that while he'd be "new" to the Barks universe,
he wouldnt be "new" to so many people who remember him fondly and know what
he was about. That'd be a plus.
It would be VERY interesting to see Mr. Rosa or Mr. Van Horn take a
"barksian spin" on Launchpad and make him "official" so to speak though I
dunno how much interest either have in the character. I miss William Van
Horns short gags on him trememndously. ^__^ And as another plus, you wouldnt
even have to go in the direction that Duck Tales took him. After all - if I
remember the way DT started, didnt he know who Donald was already? Maybe if
Mr. Rosa does do his DT story he could introduce him that way: As a
certified pilot playing an actors role for extra money and Scrooge takes him
on payroll after its all over since he's cheap or something blah dee blah.
I dunno - I think its just a matter of finding the right way to bring him in
properly.
I don't happen to agree with his
>specific interpretation of "DT" as an "unauthorized and fanciful" take on
>the
>Barks world, but I do appreciate the words of praise.
Same here. I was always under the impression that he hated it entirely for
some reason....I dunno why. ^_^;;
Jonathan H. Gray
_________________________________________________________________
>too
>much reliance upon the "magical" powers of Scrooge's #1 Dime. "DT" used
>the
>dime in this manner MUCH LESS than did Barks (in his later years, at
>least).
You are correct. Its not so much the cartoon but moreso the comic stories
that resulted BECAUSE of the cartoon. I think the best example would be the
7 part "Scrooge's Quest" saga - the one where Magica De Spell kidnaps Webby
in exchange for Scrooge's number one dime. While some people who did DT
comic stories made Scrooge's dependence on the thing absolutely silly,
theres one part (in the very beginning of the story no less) where Scrooge
just hands it over casually saying "Oh well, I've got a money bin full of
em." Just seemed so...wrong :P The sole DT episode where Gladstone Gander
played a role was cool and all, but Scrooge's dependency on the dime in a
few DT epsidoes just felt more forced than most other people defined his
relationship to it.
.if that made any sense at all... :P
>I wouldn't agree with him that Bubba and Tootsie marked the "downfall" of
>the
>show, but in hindsight, it was a mistake to allow Bubba to remain a part of
>the cast after the "Time is Money" serial.
I liked "Time Is Money". I just didnt like the fact that Bubba and Tootsie
stuck around afterwards because they didnt really DO anything afterwards to
warrant them staying - and like you pointed out, it showed. The episode
where Bubba's brain gets enhanced was really cool. But I honestly cant name
more episodes than that where he played a major role. Unlike Launchpad or
Gizmoduck/Fenton - B&T filled absolutely no niche at all except for being a
"4th nephew". Something I think Webby filled decently when she wasnt being
all uber cute and sugary sweet and
"cuddly-wuddly-doodly-woodly-I-wanna-kiss-you-on-the-head-Unca-Scwooge!!!"
:)
And thanks,
>J., for sticking up for Launchpad. There's no earthly reason why LP
>couldn't
>continue to appear in modern Duck stories as a supporting character. He
>brings a different set of motivations and a different "attitude" to the
>table
>than Donald, so it'd make perfect sense to let him participate in an
>adventure
>with Scrooge, Donald, and the boys.
I'm glad to know that I'm not the only person who sees that. :)
Unfortunately, I suspect that it would
>take some sort of "revival" of "DT" (perhaps in the form of a reissue of
>the
>series on DVD -- hint hint) to reignite LP's comics career, and that
>probably
>ain't happening anytime soon.
Not necessarily. All it would take is some creativity on one of the
creatives part. You'd be surprised at the amount of people who remember Duck
Tales and specifically Launchpad. And the key thing is - Launchpad in Duck
Tales was established as being much younger than he was in Darkwing Duck,
probably a year or so right out of college if you wanna be all "Don Rosa
technical about it". ^__^ His build wasn't as broad, he crashed planes left
and right instead of being a competent flyer, etc etc. I still believe that
he could fill a niche in the Barksian world without taking anything away
from Donald. Not to mention that while he'd be "new" to the Barks universe,
he wouldnt be "new" to so many people who remember him fondly and know what
he was about. That'd be a plus.
It would be VERY interesting to see Mr. Rosa or Mr. Van Horn take a
"barksian spin" on Launchpad and make him "official" so to speak though I
dunno how much interest either have in the character. I miss William Van
Horns short gags on him trememndously. ^__^ And as another plus, you wouldnt
even have to go in the direction that Duck Tales took him. After all - if I
remember the way DT started, didnt he know who Donald was already? Maybe if
Mr. Rosa does do his DT story he could introduce him that way: As a
certified pilot playing an actors role for extra money and Scrooge takes him
on payroll after its all over since he's cheap or something blah dee blah.
I dunno - I think its just a matter of finding the right way to bring him in
properly.
I don't happen to agree with his
>specific interpretation of "DT" as an "unauthorized and fanciful" take on
>the
>Barks world, but I do appreciate the words of praise.
Same here. I was always under the impression that he hated it entirely for
some reason....I dunno why. ^_^;;
Jonathan H. Gray
_________________________________________________________________
Danshane
That Dam Puzzle...
Message 435 -
2003-09-28 at 15:55:39
DON ROSA WROTE:
> Why do you see that as a good example? They were aiming at the dam, not
> $crooge. If $crooge wanted to preserve life and limb, all he had to do was
> get off the dam. A millionaire Duck's place is in the Bin, not by a dam
> site. (Don't try to figure out that incredibly obscure movie reference. If
> anyone does, I'll do them a free drawing. Dan Shane not eligible!) Nothing
> in that story shows any personal animosity against $crooge's well-being.
AND I RESPOND:
Do I at least get a cute little bandage for knowing the answer?
DON GOES ON:
> Huh? No, she doesn't want a coin that $crooge or some other wealthy person
> has simply touched. Barks' original story said she wants a coin that a very
> wealthy man has handled *a lot*.
AND I PONDER:
It's been a while since I read the story, but I seem to recall that Magica wanted a collection of coins from a number of wealthy folk, pinning her hopes on the collective power of all those coins melted together. $crooge's practice of having the coin on him at all times changed her focus to just that one object of desire, obscuring her original vision and goal forever.
DAN
> Why do you see that as a good example? They were aiming at the dam, not
> $crooge. If $crooge wanted to preserve life and limb, all he had to do was
> get off the dam. A millionaire Duck's place is in the Bin, not by a dam
> site. (Don't try to figure out that incredibly obscure movie reference. If
> anyone does, I'll do them a free drawing. Dan Shane not eligible!) Nothing
> in that story shows any personal animosity against $crooge's well-being.
AND I RESPOND:
Do I at least get a cute little bandage for knowing the answer?
DON GOES ON:
> Huh? No, she doesn't want a coin that $crooge or some other wealthy person
> has simply touched. Barks' original story said she wants a coin that a very
> wealthy man has handled *a lot*.
AND I PONDER:
It's been a while since I read the story, but I seem to recall that Magica wanted a collection of coins from a number of wealthy folk, pinning her hopes on the collective power of all those coins melted together. $crooge's practice of having the coin on him at all times changed her focus to just that one object of desire, obscuring her original vision and goal forever.
DAN